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Van Haulen
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Posted - 2010.03.12 08:50:00 -
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tartan pixie
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.03.17 08:16:00 -
[422]
sig---------------------------------------------
No your honour my defence is that the pixies did it in the middle of the night. Prove me wrong. |
Jon Engel
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.03.17 17:46:00 -
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I do not care about CSM, and I like this idea. Assault ships are meh nowadays. Everyone is using Faction Frigs.
I say, either give em another bonus or give em an extra module slot.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:00:00 -
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I also approve. I like them mighty good, and do think they could be better.
However, an Ishk boost might not be fair, that ship is good as is.
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Kvo Vadis
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Posted - 2010.03.18 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid I also approve. I like them mighty good, and do think they could be better. However, an Ishk boost might not be fair, that ship is good as is.
Yep. Lets nerf all successful ships: Drake, Myrm, Ishkur, Ishtar, Zealot, Rupture etc. Lets fix old problems: nerf Scorch range, increase auto cannon PG, boost Rails, remove projectile Alfa etc. Lets make everything equal! |
Bomberlocks
Minmatar Star Bombers
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Posted - 2010.03.19 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wang Jing Assault Ships (Assault Frigates) are currently the only T2 ships which do not receive 4 bonuses. It is only fair that this is addressed, and a lot of the ships in this class are in desperate need of another bonus:
Hawk and Vengeance: These need a second damage bonus, as they are currently outdamaged by the kestrel, a T1 frigate, and rockets in general give very poor performance for their fitting requirements. It is increasingly common for the vengeance to be fitted with blasters or lasers as even without bonuses they will outperform rockets. This is surely a sign something needs to be done.
Fixing rockets themselves would go a long towards fixing this problem. not that I'm disagreeing with the motion for a fourth bonus. It really is needed.
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Wolf and Jaguar: Given the concept of minmatar ships as being fast moving, outmanouevering their opponents and dancing around them, the lack of a tracking bonus on these ships is absurd. Given that their T1 counterpart, the infamous Rifter, receives this bonus, it is quite clear that it is necessary for the role they are most often required to perform; engaging the enemy in a tight orbit, using their superior speed to avoid the guns of a larger foe.
Agree absolutely. I also seriously think the Wolf's shield and armour resistances should be swapped.
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The other ships in this class, whilst having no glaring flaws, are still in need of help. For example, it is worrying when Gallente pilots in need of a high dps, take no prisoners blaster using frigate will pick an interceptor, the Taranis, over an assault frigate, the Enyo, everytime. In my view that is indicative of a serious problem with assault frigates, and I believe a 4th bonus will justify the cost of these ships and make them perform the way they should.
Here I agree as well. The Enyo is a much maligned ship in need of a boost. |
Falling Sky
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.03.19 05:20:00 -
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Full on support. I love flying assault frigates, but they're way out of whack, balancewise. |
Michel Licari
No Trademark Killboard Online
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Posted - 2010.03.19 06:24:00 -
[428]
Yes to this. |
Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.03.19 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kvo Vadis
Originally by: Zilberfrid I also approve. I like them mighty good, and do think they could be better. However, an Ishk boost might not be fair, that ship is good as is.
Yep. Lets nerf all successful ships: Drake, Myrm, Ishkur, Ishtar, Zealot, Rupture etc. Lets fix old problems: nerf Scorch range, increase auto cannon PG, boost Rails, remove projectile Alfa etc. Lets make everything equal!
What? I only stated that most AF's need a boost, but the Ishkur is not one of them. Balanced =/= equal. Would you think that a Wolf's style would be even similar to an Ishkur's style, even when desirability would be similar?
Could you point out where I stated that AF's should resemble one another other then in desirability? |
Pelorn
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Posted - 2010.03.19 21:20:00 -
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/signed |
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Jish Ness
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Posted - 2010.03.31 06:27:00 -
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Occams Legwax CCP seem to have dropped the ball after the AB idea.
Did anyone see where the ball went?
I have a horrible feeling it's going mouldy under a sofa somewhere
This is the question I was wondering as well.
Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus AB boost was a good idea - just not to every AF.
It would make the enyo useful in pvp (dont say rail enyo) - get in at 1.5k with your AB, speed tank their guns while doing 400 DPS with blasters.
Doesn't make sense for every AF though, but it does for a few. Come up with some more bonii and spread them around
I agree with Jesus. Party because it is fun to say, but mostly because he's right. A good bonus for some AF is not a good bonus for all AF.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.04.09 13:21:00 -
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My bump, my bump, my lovely little bump!
(C'mon CCP, give me a reason to fly enyos and hawks. And a web on my wolf.)
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Jag Kara
United Investment
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Posted - 2010.04.10 00:54:00 -
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In Soviet Russia, carebears gank YOU! |
eocsnesemaj
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Posted - 2010.05.16 20:56:00 -
[435]
yes
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fogbird
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Posted - 2010.05.17 07:31:00 -
[436]
do it, do it now!
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.05.17 16:20:00 -
[437]
meow!
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Decon Ko
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:25:00 -
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I would love to have a reason to fly my AFs in PvP --
This: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1248088 |
Mkah Mvet
Chumly Incorporated Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:37:00 -
[439]
supported
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The Grouch
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.19 22:05:00 -
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I'd prefer to see a role bonus as opposed to a 4th. Not all interceptors get 4 bonuses either. Each frigate class shiptype is tailored around the original hulls. They also come standard with extra resistances (some of the highest in the game) and extra high slot hardpoints. This makes them quite a match against other ships in its class, and I'm sure many a cruiser and battlecruiser has been lost to a skilled pilot in an AF.
If you're dying in AFs you need to learn how to shoot drones (and dare I say it?!?) learn to stay out of web range. The comments about blaster enyos is silly, they're far too slow for anything like that. Blaster ishkur sounds more reasonable, but again when you're inside the 10km range anything goes!
That being said, lets give them something else, like a 25% increase in capacitor rate to make up for all those flashy modules which require TONS of capacitor in relation to how much AFs start out with standard. That way they'll have a spitting chance at running active tanking modules, as well as the reps/boosters/guns/AB/MWD <--you get the picture.
Just my two isks.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.05.19 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: The Grouch Not all interceptors get 4 bonuses either.
I am guessing your talking about the Taranis which instead of putting two separate +5% to small hybrid bonuses they combined it to one 10% per level?
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The Grouch
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.20 07:35:00 -
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Yes, you are correct. Taranis gets double the %, thus counting for two. Although I don't want to derail this individual's thread, so we'll just leave it at that. My only complaint with the OP is that I'd rather see a role bonus as opposed to a 4th. I just think that a role bonus fix would be a better addition and last the test of time as opposed to the unknown reprecussions of experimenting with the 4th bonus for each individual ship.
My previous idea was just a suggestion based on my own personal pet peeves with AFs.
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Ugly Eric
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Posted - 2010.05.20 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ugly Eric on 20/05/2010 09:02:20 In my experience (only minmatar AF's) to give a combined bonus to all is the wrong way. All of them dont even need a bonus, they need a slot. Retribution really doesn't need a bonus, it needs a medslot. Wolf really the same thing. Jaguar the again needs the ab speed bonus (maybe 5% per af level?) OR tracking bonus. The Jaguar should newer get to the same m/s and tracking as the Dramiel does, but give them something to make it really useful. Althought Jaguar is one of the few good af's at this moment.
Wolf needs a medslot OR AB speed. A medslot to fit a webifier or ab speed to make it fast enough. It should newer be the same speed as jaguar, but little more would really be good.
Retribution needs the damned scramblerslot OR 100% rolebonus to basespeed. Then they would not need a speedmod to be relatively fast and could fit a point in the midslot. If the midslot would be used to speedmod, it would be insanely fast (whitch fights against amarr general behaviour), but once again would not be able to tackle or any ewar.
To the ishkur I would give little (5% per af level) ab speed also. No further bonuses or slotlayoutchanges needed. It would increase it's survivalibility enough.
To fix rockets in general would fix two of the af's pretty well, but as I have absolutely no experience in them, I better not say anything of those :)
Sorry if doubleposting, didnt read the whole shabang.
Eric
edit: forgot to support
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Moebbius
Lyman Alpha Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.23 21:31:00 -
[444]
supported
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.07.12 05:43:00 -
[445]
BAAAAMP.
No Incarna before fixed AFs! No Dust before fixed AFs! What do we want? A fourth bonus and fixed agility/speed! When do we want it? Um, a couple of expansions ago, actually.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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Aion Amarra
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.12 05:48:00 -
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Because this cannot be bumped enough.
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Wraith Soulsark
Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.23 22:16:00 -
[447]
Please
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.07.23 22:58:00 -
[448]
What he said.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2010.07.24 02:43:00 -
[449]
Supported
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Morwennon
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Posted - 2010.07.24 04:59:00 -
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This eminently reasonable proposal has earned my wholehearted support!!111!
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