Since CCP now allows faction items on the market I want all the sp I have invested on all my toons to get corporate contracting to V refunded, absolute waste of time.

Since CCP now allows faction items on the market I want all the sp I have invested on all my toons to get corporate contracting to V refunded, absolute waste of time.

a personalized apology from the CEO.

CCP has a long history of refunding SP after changes to mechanics. Shouldn't be a problem.

Any day now you should be getting your SP refund and a personalized apology from the CEO.

I doubt it. There hasn't been anything mentioned in a Dev blog about it at all. This is total nonsense. After spending the time to train characters up to be specialized in a certain area CCP has the audacity to to this!!! I mean come on....

I thought when you spent lots of resources in something there was always the risk of that something getting changed.

I do not understand at all why more people don't complain about htis sort of thing. Titans are a good example you spend good isk and more importantly time to just have CCP nerf what ever you do. If they are going to institute major changes then players should be given the option of having the sp returned. Fair is fair.

As an aside, very poor customer service in having to be told to offer this in the first place.

What I'm trying to say is your opinion is wrong.

I do not understand at all why more people don't complain about htis sort of thing.

Titans are a good example you spend good isk and more importantly time to just have CCP nerf what ever you do.

If they are going to institute major changes then players should be given the option of having the sp returned.

As an aside, very poor customer service in having to be told to offer this in the first place.

Clearly you lack any sort of reading comprehension otherwise you would have picked up the point I was making from the get go.

Because there is nothing to complain about.

Yes, that happens when things are not working properly.

And when major changes are instituted, they do. Making Titans more reasonable and improving the market do not constitute major changes.

No, just very poor customers.

People don't complain because of people like yourself who immediately start to put them down

Working properly is relative. Contracts were working just fine.

You have an unending ability for selfishness. Killmails matter to a tremendous number of players. And nearly all major killboard software implementations have supported the cost of faction modules for a very long time now. Just because they have no interest to one vocal minority doesn't mean they don't matter to the rest of us.

Just to repeat my earlier post, if you're unable to think of an effective use for this skill that's your fault, not CCPs.

GǪbecause they're complaining over nothing. In this case, you're complaining over a feature that is still in the game and that you can still use, and which you (presumably) have been putting to good use for a while now.

GǪand that's why contracts didn't change, nor did the skills you're complaining about. So why should you get any SP back when nothing has been lost or removed?

So CCP is changing this why then? Answer: No good reason.

Nothing to see here, move along, move along....

They haven't changed a thing with contracts. You can still list faction modules in contract if you want to, many people still do since contracts allow cross region searching. CCP didn't put faction items on the market to nerf contracts they did it to improve the quality of life of players all across the game; this is a feature that has been in demand for years!

Maybe you should stick to selling your price fixed ships to your goon alliance mates since you have really no clue on how this change has affected the dynamic of the market.

Taking a look at the market sub-forum, you're the only person whining about this and that forum is filled folks way smarter than the both of us. If this was actually a problem they would be making a big deal about it. I'm hoping Weasilor pops up in this thread to properly blow you out of the water.

So CCP is changing this why then? Answer: No good reason.

If CCP changes their game that that an individuals game is impacted to the extent where previous game play is no longer an option

Right, I keep forgetting you are a know nothing nobody who keeps posting in my thread.

/ignore

Maybe you should stick to selling your price fixed ships to your goon alliance mates since you have really no clue on how this change has affected the dynamic of the market.

* posts my parting shot * /ignore "You can't touch me! You can't touch me!"

Another example of high-sec pubbie filth's cowardice.

Because it makes sense; because it makes things more consistent; because it makes things more efficient; because it improves a number of other features. Plenty of good reasons. As a bonus, it doesn't break anything.

GǪand when they do that, they do indeed give people their SP back. That's not what is happening here, though. You can still use the skills for the same thing they've always been used for. Nothing has changed with how contracts work; what contracts can be used for; how the contract skills work.

So why should they give you any SP back when nothing has been lost or removed?

a home made pie made from a medley of the finest fruits and berries Iceland has to offer.

Argument here is not that you can't use them.

GǪand that's why there is no reason to give you your SP back. Your skills still do exactly what they did before; you can use them in the exact same way. You have decided that you don't want to. That's your problem, and no-one else's. There is quite literally nothing to resolve.

No, I can not do EXACTLY as I did before.

If I could I would not be complaining.

No, I can not do EXACTLY as I did before. If I could I would not be complaining.

Yes you can.
GǪand yet you are, most likely because you're not thinking very clearly.

yes you can, you just have another source of competition for your profit, and that's what you're ultimately complaining about.

So why should they give you any SP back when nothing has been lost or removed?

So CCP is changing this why then? Answer: No good reason.

IF they keep this up I am going to be ruined.

Saying that I can do exactly as I did before implies that that the market exists in the way that it did before.

Competition is not the issue. if I can't do what I was doing before in the way that I was doing it, I don't want to be bothered.

CCP reimbursed us with SPs after they had removed the learning skills.

Your name worries me more than your problem.

CCP reimbursed us with SPs after they had removed the learning skills. They did not have to do this back then either, because we did all get our attributes raised. The removal of the learning skills then did not change a lot about how we play the game either. Yet, CCP thought it was just to do so.

I do not care about the OP's problem, it is not my job, but at least I am not ignorant to what is asked here.

OP does have a very valid point. The only problem is how CCP shall determine who should get their skill removed and who not? Because this will require organizational efforts do I doubt this will take place. The learning skills were removed for everyone and everyone got SPs in return - not much effort there besides writing a script.

I am certain we all know a player or two that has quit after CCP made this sort of change.

Imagine if it was you who dreamed of flying a titan as it was and you trained a toon to have Titan V. How let down would you feel if CCP burst your bubble?

No it doesn't. It implies that you can do exactly as you did before, which you can.

Your encountering more competition is not something they have to compensate you for. If you choose to waste the SP you've accumulated, then that's still solely your problem (and also not something that anyone has to compensate you for).

GǪbecause it represented training time lost to functionality that was no longer in the game. Pretty much completely unlike what the OP is whinging about. The OP has roughly no point whatsoever and is just kvetching over his own refusal to adapt and to make good use of the skills he chose to train, and using a pretty blatant argument from ignorance to try to shift the blame for that refusal onto someone else.

I am certain we all know a player or two that has quit after CCP made this sort of change. Yes the impact may mean nothing to you but it was enough of a change to be unpalatable to the person who quit. I think EVE would be much bigger if more attention and consideration was made on the changes that CCP implements.

Imagine if it was you who dreamed of flying a titan as it was and you trained a toon to have Titan V. How let down would you feel if CCP burst your bubble?

[Was the contracting system removed? Is the OP no longer able to make contracts? Are those people who bought titans still able to fly titans? The ships themselves haven't been removed have they? Then you don't get any SP refunded. Because you are dumb.

If CCP removed Titans I'm sure they would also remove the titan skill and reimburse the skill points. As it stands, you can still list your faction loot on contracts, so nothing has been lost. The only thing that has happened is features have been added.

Also, this.

No, you are dumb. Why did you get SPs for the removal of the learning skills? You do not know. You just sucked it up and said "thank you".

There was no need to give any of us SPs for them. Training speed has simply not changed and I had them all at 5.

You are missing the point. Yes you can still fly a "Titan" but it isn't the same "Titan" that you set out to fly.

Haha, what. We got those SP refunded because they removed the Learning Skills. Why else would we have gotten them?

I am telling you that the game has changed for me because of what they did.

Please don't tell me how to feel or tell me what I should be perceiving.

Why did you get SPs for the removal of the learning skills?

Is it still a Titan? Is it still the same DoomsDaying, Jump Portal Generating, 100 billion isk Loot Pinata that it always was?

Haha, what. We got those SP refunded because they removed the Learning Skills. Why else would we have gotten them?

GǪand I'm telling you that no mechanics have changed that in any way would warrant a refund of SP. You can still use the skills the exact same way they were always used. You've chosen not to use them like that any more for various reasons. You've chosen not to investigate what else you can use those skills for. In other words, you have chosen to make your SP worthless. This is your choice and no-one else's. Stop blaming others for your own choices.

Since it is quite obvious that you could use a pair of glasses to clear up the perception problems you're having, I think I will.

Because they represented training time spent on a mechanic that was removed from the game.

You got them back because CCP foresaw a potentially large customer service issue. Basically there was going to be massive QQ so they preempted it all. All I am asking is for the same courtesy for my relatively minor issue.

Sorry my mistake, you must be one of the goon/devs who decide CCP policy. My mistake. I really wish that goon alts wore badges sometimes.

they represented training time spent on a mechanic that was removed from the game.

"Haha what," exactly. You are dumb as a tree. The questions is why would you need these SPs or why would you deserve them when nothing of your game has changed?

I do not understand at all why more people don't complain about htis sort of thing. Titans are a good example you spend good isk and more importantly time to just have CCP nerf what ever you do. If they are going to institute major changes then players should be given the option of having the sp returned. Fair is fair.

As an aside, very poor customer service in having to be told to offer this in the first place.

GǪbecause it represented training time lost to functionality that was no longer in the game.

Sorry my mistake, you must be one of the goon/devs who decide CCP policy.

Nonsense. You could have easily lived without these SPs.

Tell me, why do you deserve SPs and others do not?

Can't tell if gay princess of a mafia, or princess of a gay mafia.

Why would the OP need her SP refunded when her game literally hasn't changed and she still has all the same functionality that she had before?

The only thing I can think of is that she was trying to contract scam with those Faction Mods.

Because there is nothing to complain about.

Yes, that happens when things are not working properly.

And when major changes are instituted, they do. Making Titans more reasonable and improving the market do not constitute major changes.

No, just very poor customers.

No, I'm one of the people telling you that you're complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.

Nothing has changed, nothing has been removed, thus there is no reason for you to get any SP back. There is plenty of reason to have a closer look at those skills and consider what you can do with them, thoughGǪ

Nonsense. You could have easily lived without these SPs. Are you not able to harden up? Do you need SPs reimbursed or else you do you start crying? Tell me, why do you deserve SPs and others do not? You cannot tell me, because you are just a sucker to all of CCP's decisions.

You are bullying and belittling. If you have no function within CCP then telling any of THEIR customers that their problem is invalid isn't really helping the situation.

You are bullying and belittling. If you have no function within CCP then telling any of THEIR customers that their problem is invalid isn't really helping the situation.

Why would the OP need her SP refunded when her game literally hasn't changed and she still has all the same functionality that she had before?

The only thing I can think of is that she was trying to contract scam with those Faction Mods.

Did Tippia whine when the learning skills were removed? I'll bet the answer is "I don't know." or "It doesn't matter."

Your problem is valid, unfortunately, your problem is also really, really inane.

TY I guess. Maybe inane for you but it would take a whole of what 20 keystrokes on CCP's part to resolve. I would be happy and if they implemented the policy to others, everyone would be happy.

If you have no function within CCP then telling any of THEIR customers that their problem is invalid isn't really helping the situation.

Scam or no scam does it make a difference? No. CCP is a company. I am a customer.

Maybe inane for you but it would take a whole of what 20 keystrokes on CCP's part to resolve.

OP, I'm sure that this issue is very distressing for you. Unfortunately, CCP isn't going to refund your SP, probably because they don't feel that it is an important issue. The question is, what are you going to do about it other than trying and failing to make a stink on the forums?

Scam or no scam does it make a difference? No. CCP is a company. I am a customer. If you are in any business you try to keep your customers happy. All I am asking for is consideration given the recent changes.

OP, I'm sure that this issue is very distressing for you. Unfortunately, CCP isn't going to refund your SP, probably because they don't feel that it is an important issue. The question is, what are you going to do about it other than trying and failing to make a stink on the forums?

You are bullying and belittling. If you have no function within CCP then telling any of THEIR customers that their problem is invalid isn't really helping the situation.

Because for the same reasons why we got SPs for the removal of the learning skills - those who invested time into these skills hated the change. If CCP had not given us SPs then people would have been whining all over the forum about it.

You are nothing but selfish when you deny others their claim for SP reimbursement when a game change makes earlier skill decisions redundant.

It is also not your job to decide if someone deserve it it or not. It is CCP's job. And no amount of crap posts will change it either. So you can just shut up.

She takes it onto the forums whereas you swallow everything and then say it makes you hard. No one can help you ...

Why would I help a situation that is based on ignorance and nonsense?

Again, nothing has changed, nothing has been removed, so why on earth should you get any SP back?

GǪand the contract you signed with them warned you about changes that would happen Gǣjust becauseGǥ so even if they had changed how contracts work, you wouldn't have much of a case. Since they didn't change anything about them, you pretty much have no case at all.

It seems you're dead set on wasting your skill points, and you want CCP to fix your decision. How about, instead, you look at what you can actually do and make good use of them?

This is a sad state of affairs if I were to believe it was true. I am certain others feel the exact same way but because of certain voices in the community they keep their heads down. I really hope CCP takes a look at their policies and really starts making customer service a priority.

If by bullying and belittling you mean factual and helpful, then sure.

The contract mechanic was not removed, more options were given for purchasing faction mods.

More options = good in most peoples book.

In fact, the only reason to get so bent out of shape is if you were running scams. Not that running scams is a bad thing, but you could at least be honest about it. That way, you might be recognized as having a quasi-legitimate complain instead of being seen (correctly) as an amateur forum troll.

Yes, I do swallow, and yes, it DOES make me hard.

You heard it here first folks, swallowing makes me hard.

This... is wrong....
We got SP because they said we were when they dropped the skills. No one "hated" the change mate, infact it was one of the nicest things CCP has done for the players in a long time, IE: Make skilling less time consuming. I have yet to meet someone that actually wants their learning skills back >.>

This man may be an idiot sometimes, but he is speaking the truth. If you are running contract scams, then say so, and we will have a little more understanding of why you are upset.

No, it is not wrong. It is just one of many reasons. Also a lot did hate it. You must have missed quite a few threads if you think everyone loved it.

So to sum up what you are saying:

1) My feelings as a customer don't matter
2) CCP says so

No, it is not wrong. It is just one of many reasons. Also a lot did hate it. You must have missed quite a few threads if you think everyone loved it.

I am not / was not running contract scams.

Even if I was it makes no difference.

Then explain to us how the new system makes things difficult for you.

No. What I'm saying is that

1) Nothing changed about contracts.
2) Therefore there is no reason to give you back your SP in contracting.

also

3) Maybe you should have a look at what you can do with said contracts so you don't feel like you've wasted the SP.

Some people didn't like the removal of learning skills; I can't remember ever seeing anyone complaining about the SP reimbursement.

Then explain to us how the new system makes things difficult for you.

So you don't scam..... you just.... trained a random skill?????? And are now complaining about the amount of time you "lost" doing this.......................

Sorry I tend to avoid whine threads.... I can't see why someone would want to spend even more time then they already are spending on skilling. Kinda baffles me...
And yes I tend to avoid forums but... 3 years of playing... its something different lol

Since CCP now allows faction items on the market I want all the sp I have invested on all my toons to get corporate contracting to V refunded, absolute waste of time.

I made a set of toons with very specific skills, very tightly trained to play the game in a certain way. CCP changed the rules to the game mid way through. I don't want to play that aspect of t the game anymore.

They didn't remove contracts from the game they added functionality to the game. I think you still can make contracts just not faction mods at a silly mark-up

She invested time into skills which she no longer needs.

1) You are being ignorant of my feelings
2) You don't dictate CCP policies
3) They changed the game so much I don't want to do anything with contracts anymore thus why I want my SP back

I am not asking for anything earth shattering.

So your stance is that every time CCP rebalances/changes mechanics, they should refund everyone who's had any relevant skills trained?

really?

wow geez, I wonder what's gonna happen when CCP start implementing their shipline revamp, where they change EVERY SINGLE FKING SHIP IN THE GAME.


Please quit the game and let the door bash your face in multiple times on your way out.

I made a set of toons with very specific skills, very tightly trained to play the game in a certain way. CCP changed the rules to the game mid way through. I don't want to play that aspect of t the game anymore.

Point is they changed the game and the reason for what I was doing. I am not asking for anything earth shattering. I just want the SP that i invested in being able to play the game the way I wanted to play it, back, that is all.

Some people didn't like the removal of learning skills; I can't remember ever seeing anyone complaining about the SP reimbursement.

Yeah, seeGǪ there's a difference between Gǣno longer needGǥ and Gǣcan no longer useGǥ. The former depends on player choice; the latter does not. The former will therefore not yield any kind of refund (because it's not their job to fix your choices), whereas the latter will (because it is their job to fix things they've decided).

Your feelings are quite irrelevant to the policy of reimbursement, yes. I don't dictate any policies GÇö I just explain them to you.

GǪand you see that word in your last point? GÇ£WantGÇ¥? That's why the problem doesn't actually exist: it's an issue that you have chosen to create for yourself (now that's a sandbox for you! ). CCP cannot fix your choices, nor should they. Your SP are not wasted GÇö they do exactly the same thing as before GÇö you just choose not to use them. At any point, you can choose to use them again. Nothing is lost; nothing is removed; no reason for a refund exists.

Actually, you are. Go look in the F&I and skill forums for all the threads about SP remapping.

Well, there was a certain level of strategy in developing your skill plan that was lost when learning skills were removed. Not everyone was pleased with simplifying things in that regard.

That being said, once the decision was made to remove the mechanic... and admittedly it was a very popular decision.... then reimbursing people for the time invested via skill points was appropriate.

Now if the option to train learning skills had remained, but another new means of accelerating skill point accrual was introduced (say for example a boost for performing (grinding) certain tasks in game) along side the old system then no Skill Point reimbursement would have been necessary or appropriate. You could take advantage of either, or both, at your discretion.

Yeah, seeGǪ there's a difference between Gǣno longer needGǥ and Gǣcan no longer useGǥ.

I am a customer, customer is always right. Why? Because without customers there is no business.

I want my missile sp back because I never use them.

Urban myths are cute.

Retaining bad customers that demand impractical changes and special treatment is, generally speaking, bad for business.

I want my missile sp back because I never use them.

1) You are being ignorant of my feelings
2) You don't dictate CCP policies
3) They changed the game so much I don't want to do anything with contracts anymore thus why I want my SP back

CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUGÇÖVE CREATED.

Yes. I want what the OP wants.

Also I want refunds for scrapmetal processing 4 and all of it's pre-reqs.

And I want to be refunded all game time I spent grinding up standings for research agents.

And all game time that I spent daydreaming about shooting frigates in my titan that I was gonna train for.

And of course a pony.


If all of these demands are not met I am quitting EVE and donating all of my isk and items to the mittani legal defense fund.

But for whom? For you, just not for her. Again you argue completely selfish. No one cares about you, Tippia.

Well said mate. But I think everyone here can agree that one of our main reasons for staying here is the complete lack of "grinding". And no I don't mean money or anything else like that, just skills wise. Being able to PLAY the game is quite comforting to say the least. And I think alot of people would agree with that observation.

Grinding is a state of mind. I may not have to keep killing boars to get SP but I can assure you I will be bored waiting for the SP to train.

I am a customer, customer is always right.

I don't know if you are being serious or not but if you are please don't quit and stay and help in the fight.

yo sup OP you should stop by the TOS sometime



hope this has enlightened you some well bye

Greetings capsuleer,

Was the pony not enough of a hint?

Regards,

Shian Yang

People love getting SPs for when they put a lot of time into skills and these skills suddenly become useless to them.

Imagine training for Gallente ships and CCP decided to never fix Gallente. You sure would hate every skill point you ever put into it and eventually demand them back.

It is a completely valid claim the OP makes.

I am a customer, customer is always right.

But for whom?

yo sup OP you should stop by the TOS sometime



hope this has enlightened you some well bye

Omfg its in the fine writing....... what a cowinkidink O.o
Again... derp

Whose fault is it?

You know, you often make fairly good posts... but in any thread where Tippia makes a post you kinda go overboard trying to out rebuttal him/her, and often take stances that seem to be out of character compared to your posts in other threads.

Not an attack, just an observation.

Klown's, obviously, much like the OP's decision not to use the skills he trained for is the OP's fault.

You know, ...

This has all the signs of an unhealthy codependent relationship. OMG maybe we should try to right this wrong.

Shut it. Anyone who starts a comment with "You know" is a fool. Do not try to make me care for you.

I'm still attempting to care for your posts..... still not.... really trying here though

Shut it. Anyone who starts a comment with "You know" is a fool. Do not try to make me care for you.

it's just whitehound being whitehound

Aww c'mon, you know you like me.

GǪand again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1262521#post1262521

Just edited my post that was right underneath the OP so no one will bother to read this mess of a thread.

Why are you insisting that I am scamming? Do you have any proof? Amazed that the biggest scam alliance in the game is telling me I am scamming when I am not.

You should REALLY take those English classes.....

No.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1262521#post1262521

Just edited my post that was right underneath the OP so no one will bother to read this mess of a thread.

Not everyone speaks english as a first language in the world you know.

Incorrect.

GÇ£UselessGÇ¥ means the skill cannot be used even if you want to.
GÇ£Choosing not to use itGÇ¥ means it can be used, but you don't want to.

The two are pretty much each other's exact opposites. There is also (at least) a third category, which led up to the learning skill changeGǪ

No, it is irrelevant.

One can give SPs for any reason or no reason at all.

Harden up.

... It actually matters a whole lot ...

If you want to help then tell the OP how she can use the skills she trained to make ISKs. She had planned to use corporation contracts to make ISKs with shiny modules. How can she now use the skills to achieve the same after the change?

Yes, to you.

If you want to help then tell the OP how she can use the skills she trained to make ISKs.

Greetings capsuleer,

The same way as before; using Contracts. The market is only an additional option.

Regards,

Shian Yang

No. The contract market is breaking away. Shiny mods are now traded over the normal market.

If I am not mistaken then CCP did this on purpose, because the contract market was somehow wrong. CCP has forgotten about the players who helped themselves and trained corporation contracts to solve the issue and now with the change got help, but also have spend time in skills they now no longer need.

A very easy to understand argumentation. You have to be really really stupid to not see this. Or a douche.

No. The contract market is breaking away. Shiny mods are now traded over the normal market.

If I am not mistaken then CCP did this on purpose, because the contract market was somehow wrong. CCP has forgotten about the players who helped themselves by training corporation contracts to solve the issue and now with the change got help, but also have spend time in skills they now no longer need. Some might now need to train extra trading skills on top.

A very easy to understand argumentation. You have to be really really stupid to not see this. Or a douche.

Your arguement is invalid.....
This is just like saying: "I spent time training up Carriers, but now they nerfed/changed them, so I want my SP back" Its the same exact arguement just a different skill. Tip's point is perfectly valid, your apperently to ignorant to see the comparision.

No. The contract market is breaking away. Shiny mods are now traded over the normal market.

If I am not mistaken then CCP did this on purpose, because the contract market was somehow wrong.

No, the argument is valid. Players have trained these skills and CCP in some way admitted that the contract market is broken

GǪand to everyone else, since the mechanics affect everyone equally.

The problem with that is that he seems quite disinclined to describe why he needs them to begin with and how anything has changed with this non-changeGǪ

Also, yoink.

No, the argument is valid. Players have trained these skills and CCP in some way admitted that the contract market is broken. So why do they only fix the market but do not turn the contract skills of these players into more trading skills? Some will need to train more skills to set up enough orders now.

When CCP dropped learning skills did they not only drop them, but they increased the attributes. Nothing changed there. Why did it need SPs? It did not. We could have moved on without them. I simply had more SPs after the removal and to stick into somewhere else while I kept my training speed. I had no loss but got a bonus!

So whatever reason you have is irrelevant. The claim is valid and good.

No. The contract market is breaking away. Shiny mods are now traded over the normal market.

So you think we should be refunded on skills we don't need anymore?

Greetings capsuleer Whitehound,

Can you still trade those modules through a Contract?

Regards,

Shian Yang

No. Who is still looking at contracts?

You are indeed mistaken. CCP did this on purpose, because they wanted to be able to track the prices of higher-meta modules with their standard market-data collection tools and feed that data into the new wardec, killmail, and inventory UIs. As an added bonus, it also made the market more consistent (since faction ships and ammo already existed on the market) and logical, and it also made trading with these items more efficient.

That is a blatant lie.

You can still trade these items through Contracts.

Even in The Forge region they are traded through Contract. At least hey were approximately 16 hours ago when one of my co-pilots bid on a few of those contracts, set up a few for purchasing and offered a number for sale.

Regards,

Shian Yang

No, this is not what I am saying.

What I am saying is that if a game change makes part of your skill training obsolete then it can be discussed to reimburse them.

Imagine what would happen if CCP decided to switch the weapon bonuses of Amarr and Gallente ships around, but left your gunnery skills untouched? You would have to fly Amarr ships with hyrbid weapons and gallente ships with lasers. You could still use your weapons, right? But it would suck for those players who did not train both weapon types. According to Tippia would this be completely acceptable and she would find reasons why the ships are in fact better with the change.

Ah, so CCP forgot about the players who trade with these items per contract. I see.

OP will have to find some new way to scam.

Now your jumping down their throats assuming that the contract system is going to remain the same indefinately. THAT is my point right there. You are jumping to a conclusion that isn't a conclusion. You don't freaking know. For all we know its in the works. There is NO REASON currently that CCP should hand out free SP to everyone. IF you have proof that the Contracts are remaining the same then post it other, I again say, your arguement is invalid. Do your damn homework ffs....

Nobody does. The market is breaking away and everyone is going to the much more convenient market orders. Contracts are also know for scams and kept people away.

No. Those players can now trade with these items on the market as well as on contracts. As an added bonus, they can now have more open trades going on than before.

Greetings capsuleer Whitehound,

Repeating the same lies will not validate your point.

Regards,

Shian Yang

I then suggest you stop repeating them. And get yourself checked for narcissism.

Greetings capsuleer Whitehound,

Why should I have myself checked when you are deliberately lying to and misleading other capsuleers? I am specifically referring to this:

"Nobody does."

There are contracts for those items. Somebody does.

Regards,

Shian Yang

No. There will be not more trades.

What is the benefit if this?

So what can you offer other than a vague future and a tear on homework?

So? They can still have more open trades going than before, because that's one of the mechanical differences between the two markets.

The benefit is that the market becomes more efficient, more consistent, and more logical (and it has additional benefits outside of the market as well). It also allows for a much clearer distinction between different trading use cases, removing the mess and inconsistency that was the mix-and-match between what items could randomly be sold where for no apparent reason (although there's admittedly a fair amount of stuff that remains to be done in that area).

All you have shown is that your a bigot, incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Yes, some first tears in this thread. It was about friggin' time!!!

PS: Going to bed. Thanks.

Open trades are dead trades.

With market buy orders do I not have to put all the ISKs up for example. Market orders are simply better.

And please give some examples of these benefits.

I am sure everyone would love to know how they can still profit from the contract skills after the change.

PS: Going to bed. Thanks.

And please give some examples of these benefits. It sounds somewhat hypothetical the way you describe it. I am sure everyone would love to know how they can still profit from the contract skills after the change.

Reason, something you are obviously lacking. I am looking at the current facts. You are basing your ideals on the wild illusion that CCP doesn't fix problems. Its not a "vague" future. CCP doesn't have to throw every little development idea or workings at the population of players. Its a waste of both our time and theirs. When something is done or close to completion OR mid way, they announce it. They will let us know if this current "problem" is fixed in time. That fact that people are this impatient sickens me.
All you have shown is that your a bigot, incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

So how about those tech moons?

we actually got one of those it just took ppl leaving the game...
Which should teach ppl, if you want anything done, quit in droves