I personally think the most useful things on carriers are the logistics, triage, corp hanger and maint bays, ive never looked at them as being 'dps' boats. i liked the comment that said t2 carriers, with the new 'role' orientation ccp are taking with their ships i would place any tech 2 carrier as a support ship, and it would seem logical that they had smaller mass for travelling through wh.

Also, +1 to the pos bashing 'light dreadnought'

tnx for the +1, I try, lol

I really feel that they would be a very valuable asset for high sec POS bashing, as long as they were reasonbly priced based on their less than dreanought dps.

How would you set it up?

I had thought of this, but since I am not a capital pilot I am not sure what would work best to have a "light dreadnaught"

Would a ship with the ability to fit Dreadnaught weapons without the ability to go into siege do it?

For instance, a "light dreadnought" with 6 weapon hard points capable of fitting dreadnought sized weapons would only make it about 1.5 times the DPS of a BS, only really viable against capitals, POS's and slow BS's, would be very slow, great tank, and able to move through gates.

Would that work for a light dread?

Perhaps this deserves its own thread. Or this thread should change to a "Sub Cap combat ships" idea thread and edit the OP.

Thoughts?

My thoughts.

For each lvl of the skill required to fly this ship, you gain the ability to fit one drone control unit.

This means at lvl 5 you're able to fit 5, for a max of ten drones, but DOES NOT use fighters.

With a full flight of 10 drones is should have comperable dps to battleships, and also have comperable tank.

That, or they can be fitted with logistics, but due to their shorter range than logis and less bonuses to rep output, they don't replace logis.

That would make them a battleship. Might also be worth noting that 10 heavy drones is not equal to normal battleship DPS in any circumstance unless ship bonuses were ridiculously exaggerated. It would basically make them an expensive, weak battleship that is larger and slower, and therefore more vulnerable to capital ships, as well as less versatile.

You also spelled comparable wrong. How do you do that? These forums have spellcheck for god's sake!

ITT people that don't use capitals talking about capitals.

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That's why a highsec "carrier" shouldn't be anything more than a drone specialized battleship.

The carrier logistics role doesn't translate well to highsec as such, and if you aren't in highsec you wouldn't use a sub-carrier if you need a carrier.

Why do you think this thing is needed?

Basically OP wants a Navy Domi.

Because we have ships with double skill bonuses in their weapons for every weapon but drones. A fast locking BS limited to drones but able to launch a large number of them would be an excellent (and more durable then most) picket ship against raids by stealth bombers but also have a degree of tactical flexibility if confronted with a more powerful raiding force (something a destroyer, the more traditional counter to this, lacks)

And if you're response is 'fly a dominix' I do, and therefor know of what I speak when I say it's too easy to kill the handful of drones a dom can cough up. If the old +1 per level bonus was combined with the current +10% bonus, it would be worthwhile, however.


AS to why we don't have this now: we used to, the devs didn't want to upgrade hardware at the time, so they nerfed drones.

The current devs, who replaced the previous ones, just hate drones and have stated they don't feel they're worthwhile primary weapons. I

You neglected to answer the rest of my question.

Point to a situation you have been in that this ship would have been useful. That there was a role that needed filling. A battle report and summary of what happened and why this ship would have helped fill a void would be nice.

If every ship put into Eve was required to fill a needed role, there wouldn't be any ships in Eve, and their certainly wouldn't be capitals. Ships are features of Eve, not necessities and role fillers.

You neglected to answer the rest of my question.

Point to a situation you have been in that this ship would have been useful. That there was a role that needed filling. A battle report and summary of what happened and why this ship would have helped fill a void would be nice.

If every ship put into Eve was required to fill a needed role, there wouldn't be any ships in Eve, and their certainly wouldn't be capitals. Ships are features of Eve, not necessities and role fillers.

This^^

What "role" in a fight was observed that gave birth to Titans? None, it was someone who said "hey, this might be a cool ship to fly, lets do it!"

So, the argument that keeps getting put out "this doesn't fill a role" is a straw man argument.

Its a game, if the ship is fun to fly, then it fills a role.

In all combat situations, one or two bombs can wipe out the entire fleet worth of drones.

Do you live under a rock?

CCP is specifically making an effort to apply a "role" to every ship.

I'm really bad at posting.