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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:19:00 -
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EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power?  LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
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Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
Killer Carebears
United Interstellar Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:22:00 -
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Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Northern Storm
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:26:00 -
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Blatent troll but ill bite.
A rail gun can fire a shot at close to the speed of light, which in my book, stings quite a bit.
Also minitar BS fire VW Beatles at other ships.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:26:00 -
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-9/10 shut up
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Zakarazor
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
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Alex Raptos
Caldari
Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:30:00 -
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Drakan290
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE = Extremely Unrealistic gamE
..."EUE"? 
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Jobby
Minmatar
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
Can they teleport dictionaries?
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
Photon.
And across a very small room.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:57:00 -
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Guys stop, Delphi started a thread on this exact same topic yesterday. It's now in Ships and Modules or something weird.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vaneshi SnowCrash
Photon.
And across a very small room.
As opposed to beaming scotty down to a planet
Originally by: Stitcher
It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Michaela Mirajkar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:01:00 -
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Especially beaming is a prime example of illogical stuff in StarTrek.
Fine, lets consider for a moment that you can beam stuff.... why the heck do they need torpedos then ?
In Perry Rhodan, they at least use Transform-Canons, that "beam" a nuclear bomb direclt to the shields of the enemy or even through them, if they can pass the shields.
Why does the enterprise not just beam a bomb on board of an enemy ship, once the shields are failing ?
Dont tell me, that a simply explosive mechanism is more difficult to beam than a human being.
Sounds to me like a troll from StarTrek Online, where recently a thread was startet with the topic, if STO could ever become "as good as" EVE ;)
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TigerXtrm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek...
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Alex Raptos
Caldari
Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Michaela Mirajkar
Especially beaming is a prime example of illogical stuff in StarTrek.
Fine, lets consider for a moment that you can beam stuff.... why the heck do they need torpedos then ?
In Perry Rhodan, they at least use Transform-Canons, that "beam" a nuclear bomb direclt to the shields of the enemy or even through them, if they can pass the shields.
Why does the enterprise not just beam a bomb on board of an enemy ship, once the shields are failing ?
Dont tell me, that a simply explosive mechanism is more difficult to beam than a human being.
Sounds to me like a troll from StarTrek Online, where recently a thread was startet with the topic, if STO could ever become "as good as" EVE ;)
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:07:00 -
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Extremely Unrealistic gamE. There is no 'V'. I demand a 'V'.
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Alex Raptos
Caldari
Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn
Extremely Unrealistic gamE. There is no 'V'. I demand a 'V'.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:33:00 -
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Ok, I'll bite for the troll.
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In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Damage is purely related to energy transferred, due to lack of resistance (air) in space projectiles would be extremely effective, more so than lasers/phasers which would get considerably less effective with range. Not to mention Lasers and Hybrids are both better than projectiles in EVE, the only way projectiles are better is that they don't use cap.
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In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
No we aren't, teleportation happens naturally on the quantum level, forcing billions of billions of quantum particles to undergo the exact same teleportation at the exact same time is a completely different thing.
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What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power?
Come on! Even Minmatar ships don't use petrol!!! Also who said EVE was science based? Its a game not a simulation.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
I don't think you really grasp the science behind it, nor the English language for that matter.
When the scientists say 'teleport' they actually mean 'transmit all the information about the particle and apply it to another particle'. The result is the same for a single photon, but it gets a bit more complicated when you try and scale it up to more than a few atoms. You see, in order to 'teleport' something, you need to have all the required atoms and subatomic particles already in the destination location, and to teleport you simply transfer the required quantum properties to these particles. To 'teleport' a person, you would need an exact clone of that person down to the individual electrons in their brain already in the destination location. This makes the entire endeavour a bit pointless, and it certainly is nothing like you see on Star Trek.
tl;dr: Star Trek is Science FICTION!
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:41:00 -
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Errr no, quantum tunnelling is a form of true teleportation, not simply information transfer. I think you don't know much about physics either :)
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Micia
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:42:00 -
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Not reading the OP 'til it's translated back into its original Klingon. 
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna
Errr no, quantum tunnelling is a form of true teleportation, not simply information transfer. I think you don't know much about physics either :)
See my edit.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:54:00 -
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Have you any real information to suggest that it can't be induced to provide longer distances, multiple jumps or reliability with technology that doesn't currently exist? For example some sort of force-field creating multiple wave field boundaries over the distance between two points that you want to teleport?
We simply don't know at this juncture so its kinda foolish to assume it CAN'T happen.
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Taak Coram
Gallente
Cursed Souls
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:54:00 -
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I'll bite. To quote a pretty good youtube video, why use lasers when the rock still hurts?
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:00:00 -
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What to eve stargates and jumpbridges do?
Silly troll tho.. really...
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna
Have you any real information to suggest that it can't be induced to provide longer distances, multiple jumps or reliability with technology that doesn't currently exist? For example some sort of force-field creating multiple wave field boundaries over the distance between two points that you want to teleport?
We simply don't know at this juncture so its kinda foolish to assume it CAN'T happen.
Have you got any evidence to suggest that there isn't a giant pink fluffy bunny rabbit sitting on the opposite side of the galaxy? No? Well I guess I better make a thread demanding to know why EVE doesn't have giant pink fluffy bunny rabbits in it?
Now, admittedly this is a bit extreme and you are right to point out that it is quite possible that in the future we may be able to induce long-range reliable tunnelling, however, I see no point basing game design decisions (or making threads) based on speculation (damn there goes 80% of the forum).
Anyway, I suspect that true teleportation, when it is developed (which it will be), will work by some kind of wormhole technology. Bending space-time at least ensures that all the particles stay together during the journey and you don't arrive inside out.
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 30/05/2009 23:06:23
Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
first off its photons and secondly it's only electrons that teleport becuase they have an equal chance of being everywhere so we don't influence them in anyway.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:04:00 -
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Well I DO think its foolish to say that there 100% definatly isn't a giant pink space rabbit on the other side of the universe. Extremely unlikely I agree :)
As far as quantum tunnelling been used, unlikely perhaps, wormhole tech is perhaps more likely but the simple fact is that we don't know. We might find an extremely simple and reliable way to induce it. Wormhole tech has it's own problems as currently the only ways known to possible create a wormhole involve spinning 2 black holes round each other at near the speed of light, this involves more energy than is believed to currently exist in the universe :)
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:05:00 -
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Do you realize that 1800 mm artillery rounds are almost as tall as you are and with many different types of launchable warheads I doubt star treck shields could withstand that amount of combined raditation and kinetic with the rounds travelling as fast as they do. Also shields in eve are pertty hardy along with armor which can withstand alot of punishment, unlike most star treck ships you take out the shields and all you have to do next is aim for the bridge for that one weak point its over. Most pods in eve are however located within the ship, getting to that is just as bad as trying to take out the ships own reactor and ships are overeginneered to not have goof ups like that until the frame is litterally falling apart. Also dont most star treck ships engage within 10kms? aka visual range? Only a few ships in eve engage that close and they're all using plasama contained by magnetized charged metal startreck shuttle sized shotguns.
Also photon torpedos? your telling me that the reactive weak force of protons is capable of yeilding a far more destructive force of an antimatter detionation or a minanture blackhole compression?
Also I would love to see most star treck ships able to fight, while jammed BECAUSE OF FALCON!
Weapons in eve are pertty advanced, most lasers here seem to have a close 1 to 1 ratio, better than our current 100 to 1 or the best possible with current tech 10 to 1 ratio, the fact they induce that much radiation to slice highly durable plates in half at the ranges they engage at.
Railguns are slinging shells at incredible speeds and blasters are joyuous decendants of shotguns made for ship vs ship. But your right the most primitive weapons in eve are probably lasers, projectiles today dont shoot fun stuff like phased munon plamsa.
Also in star treck spherical sheilds have a massive disadvantage, I'm very surprised hasnt been abused yet, using the shields own field to have a shell slingshot its away across the surface skimming and ripping the shields and having it detonate on the far side causing far more stress than intended, also counter harmonics doesnt seem to be a major warfare tactic at all, in a scifi that cares nothing but shields for protection, counter harmonics would be top of my list to develop, the ability to ignore shields.
Another thing, caldari have black holes for reactors, something all trekies would be jealous of. Enterprise uses the a fission reactor from what I understand something comparable the low tech amarr use.
Earth Star Trek ships still have intakes, you can easily fod out the other ships reactor just my jetting a bit of plasma so all you need is one smartbomb which uses the shield to reverberate and transmit though and youll gaurantee screw any startrek ship over, why in the hell would you even have your goddam intakes open in middile of combat? thats asking for a repeat of star wars vs deathstar to happen.
Also over 200 years of development and building **** why in the hell the hasnt federation havent built counter cloaking devices two to possibly three of thier biggest enemies uses cloaks, what does the other side do? they build cloaks that allow them to fire while cloaked. Cmon federation your lagging behind on the arms race. Cloaks in eve are less than 20 years old and aren't advanced enough that every ship could afford to have em.
Also I'm not sure who brought it up but our warp drives are alot faster than most treck ships but if somone has the math im sure they can prove/disprove that.
Current Teleporters only work on particles atm and its not a true teleporter, just a energy to matter particle printer, if they had a computer strong enough to do an entire human. Plus why everyone sees oh teleporter I can transport things from a to b? Why cant people see other applications, like ohhh an object that tears something apart, what if I have it sort whatever it tears apart into neat individualized blocks and cans (for gasses) whallah ultimate recycler!
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 30/05/2009 23:05:24
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Scientific Method
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rachel Silverside
first off its photons and secondly it's only electrons that teleport becuase they have an equal chance of being everywhere so we don't influance them in anyway.
Spelling fail when correcting spelling. Fail.
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Scientific Method
Originally by: Rachel Silverside
first off its photons and secondly it's only electrons that teleport becuase they have an equal chance of being everywhere so we don't influance them in anyway.
Spelling fail when correcting spelling. Fail.
meh i corrected the influence part anyway damn your quoting!
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:09:00 -
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Also if I had a teleporter, id be stealing parts from thier ship or at least removing it using it for additional shielding like ripping thier own armor plates off to defend agains thier torpedos, and quite possible use it for emergency repairs. Or yeah lets teleport one of thier torpedos back around and seperate the targeting computer out of it somewhere else making the torpedo default to dumbfire back at them.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:10:00 -
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This idiot calls EVE unrealistic (lolwut an internet spaceships game set thousands of years in the future) and cites STAR TREK?
TROLL.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 30/05/2009 23:11:50
Originally by: Alex Raptos
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Styxia Acheron
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Taak Coram
I'll bite. To quote a pretty good youtube video, why use lasers when the rock still hurts?
I can think of two reasons, though I'm sure there are many others.
First, Newton's Third Law makes projectile weapons of any real size a structural and navigational nightmare.
Second, the likely distances, relative velocities, and the ease of changing course in any space-based battle gives ZFT weapons (lasers, masers, x-ray lasers, whatever) an overwhelming advantage over anything with a meaningful flight time.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Although this is one of the DUMBEST, nay STUPIDEST failtrolls I've ever seen, I'll still reply just to shoot him down with one sentence:
EvE isn't Star Trek, and NEITHER is based in current science.
To go on:
OP yaps about "phasers" and how powerful they are, yet for some reason Star Trek still uses guided missiles with antimatter warheads, often quite effectively. That's what a "photon torpedo" is' in Star Drakh. And he has the stupidity of knocking projectiles that do the same kinsa thing?
Not even gonna get into the whole "transporter" bit, which IN REALITY was nothing more than a pkot device to avoid audience boredom.
Again, EvE is NOT Star Drakh. NEITHER is reality, and trying to compare two FICTIONS is immense fail. As are you.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Styxia Acheron
Originally by: Taak Coram
I'll bite. To quote a pretty good youtube video, why use lasers when the rock still hurts?
I can think of two reasons, though I'm sure there are many others.
First, Newton's Third Law makes projectile weapons of any real size a structural and navigational nightmare.
Second, the likely distances, relative velocities, and the ease of changing course in any space-based battle gives ZFT weapons (lasers, masers, x-ray lasers, whatever) an overwhelming advantage over anything with a meaningful flight time.
Yes, add to this that photons transfer close to 100% of their energy to the target, while a projectile (assuming it isn't made of antimatter) will only transfer a tiny fraction of its energy. You'd be much better using antimatter to extract energy from the rock, and using that energy to power a laser directed at the hull of the enemy ship. Then again, it's easier just to throw a rock out of the airlock. :)
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Rhinanna
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:29:00 -
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Also photon torpedos? your telling me that the reactive weak force of protons is capable of yeilding a far more destructive force of an antimatter detionation or a minanture blackhole compression?
Photon != Protons Photons are pure energy and therefore would be as effective as the energy they contain.
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Also I would love to see most star treck ships able to fight, while jammed BECAUSE OF FALCON!
Eh? wtf? You don't think for a second that SUBSPACE scanners are very hard to jam?
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Also in star treck spherical sheilds have a massive disadvantage
They don't have spherical shields except in very early star trek, TNG and beyond use shaped shield, not exactly hull shaped but closer to the ship's hull than a sphere.
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also counter harmonics doesnt seem to be a major warfare tactic at all, in a scifi that cares nothing but shields for protection, counter harmonics would be top of my list to develop, the ability to ignore shields.
Shield in star-trek work by DEFLECTING the energy into sub-space rather than countering it directly. If you can work out the frequency of the enemy shields you CAN transport/fire through them. Hence why after this tech was developed, multi-frequency shield where also developed to prevent this
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Another thing, caldari have black holes for reactors, something all trekies would be jealous of. Enterprise uses the a fission reactor from what I understand something comparable the low tech amarr use.
I'm not sure on the very early star-treks, but from TNG and beyond all the enterprise ships use anti-matter/total conversion reactors, the fusion generators almost all ships have serves as a backup in case of a failure of the main reactor.
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why in the hell the hasnt federation havent built counter cloaking devices two to possibly three of thier biggest enemies uses cloaks
Because they haven't worked out how to???? Because it may not be possible? There are several ways to defeat cloaks but all of them have limitations.
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Also I'm not sure who brought it up but our warp drives are alot faster than most treck ships but if somone has the math im sure they can prove/disprove that.
No, star-trek warp drives are MUCH MUCH faster than EVE warp drives. A hell of a lot slower than star-gates or jump drives however :)
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Earth Star Trek ships still have intakes
Only the very early ones and these are protected by shields.
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what if I have it sort whatever it tears apart into neat individualized blocks and cans (for gasses) whallah ultimate recycler!
What do you think replicators in star trek are????
Yes I love trek :) One of the best bits about it is that they tried to make it as scientifically viable as possible. They've broken that a few times (firing while cloaked is just DUH!!!, you could easily track where the energy beams are coming from and shoot back along that trajectory) but overall the science behind star-trek is very good.
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:57:00 -
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O dear, I think this worked a little too well....
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Adaris
Gallente
Outland Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Adaris on 31/05/2009 00:32:49
Originally by: Rhinanna
Ok, I'll bite for the troll.
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In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Damage is purely related to energy transferred, due to lack of resistance (air) in space projectiles would be extremely effective,
Just a note, it has been often quoted by developers when asked about physics mechanics in this game that space in the game is not empty. Thats why you have resistance which slows your ship to a stop when you reduce speed. This is also a scientific theory in physics today. And, additionally, space as it is in RL, isn't empty, there are tremendous amounts of molecules, atoms and you name it occupying the almost vacuum medium of space. Anyway, the projectiles fired in EVE would need significant amounts of energy to be launched through this dense medium of space, compund that with the fact that the recieving ship uses shielding, armour and structure modifying technologies... it becomes a remarkable amount of energy needed to fire those projectiles.
STAR TRAK!!! lol /Thread
*Spelled vacuum wrong and it was blocked by the censor. lol
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:30:00 -
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I hate Star Trek
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 31/05/2009 00:35:34
Originally by: Rhinanna
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what if I have it sort whatever it tears apart into neat individualized blocks and cans (for gasses) whallah ultimate recycler!
What do you think replicators in star trek are????
Yes I love trek :) One of the best bits about it is that they tried to make it as scientifically viable as possible. They've broken that a few times (firing while cloaked is just DUH!!!, you could easily track where the energy beams are coming from and shoot back along that trajectory) but overall the science behind star-trek is very good.
OK, I just realised you meant the matter reassembles in Star Trek, and me pointing out that the replicators were in Stargate is redundant.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez
Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
I agree.
As for teleporters,,,how do you think you transfer loot into your cargohold? Magic?
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez
Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
I agree.
As for teleporters,,,how do you think you transfer loot into your cargohold? Magic?
Except for the space resistance equivalent to the sci-fi shows of the early fifties.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:46:00 -
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for plantary tale over weapons we could always use mass drivers
i mean just look what happened to the dinosaurs :)
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Distorted Perception
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:56:00 -
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Submarines in space, unrealistic. How dare you!!! 
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Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:58:00 -
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If you want realistic, turn off the computer.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:17:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Adaris
Edited by: Adaris on 31/05/2009 00:32:49
Originally by: Rhinanna
Ok, I'll bite for the troll.
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In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Damage is purely related to energy transferred, due to lack of resistance (air) in space projectiles would be extremely effective,
Just a note, it has been often quoted by developers when asked about physics mechanics in this game that space in the game is not empty. Thats why you have resistance which slows your ship to a stop when you reduce speed. This is also a scientific theory in physics today. And, additionally, space as it is in RL, isn't empty, there are tremendous amounts of molecules, atoms and you name it occupying the almost vacuum medium of space. Anyway, the projectiles fired in EVE would need significant amounts of energy to be launched through this dense medium of space, compund that with the fact that the recieving ship uses shielding, armour and structure modifying technologies... it becomes a remarkable amount of energy needed to fire those projectiles.
STAR TRAK!!! lol /Thread
*Spelled vacuum wrong and it was blocked by the censor. lol
The level of matter in space (particually around Sol which is very light due to an ancient supernova) is negligable, certainly not enough to slow down a ship anywhere near as fast as they do in this game. Maybe a ship traveling at 0.5c (c been lightspeed) might lose a few m/s of speed due to particles in space but otherwise just NO.
The only feasible reasons for EVE ships to perform as they do are Impulse or Virtual momentum drives.
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:21:00 -
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Nice troll.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:41:00 -
[52]
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Photon != Protons Photons are pure energy and therefore would be as effective as the energy they contain.
Let drop my shields and de-energize my di-electic layers to recharge my capacitors, Im sure my highly advanced conductors can handel it and deflect all the extra.
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Eh? wtf? You don't think for a second that SUBSPACE scanners are very hard to jam?
Subspace sensors dont work in real space, also just screams out electronically having a constale hole to alter space, and finally lets see how well that works with a warp scrambler flooding the sensors.
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Shield in star-trek work by DEFLECTING the energy into sub-space rather than countering it directly. If you can work out the frequency of the enemy shields you CAN transport/fire through them. Hence why after this tech was developed, multi-frequency shield where also developed to prevent this
Supspace shields is asking for your ship to get torn between two realities easily if exploited a worthy military research development to find an exploit for, counter harmonics will still be applicaple with multifrequency not just for bypassing but for the most harassment on sensors, sheild generation stress and bad feedback.
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I'm not sure on the very early star-treks, but from TNG and beyond all the enterprise ships use anti-matter/total conversion reactors, the fusion generators almost all ships have serves as a backup in case of a failure of the main reactor.
I belevie minmatar have antimatter reactors, or was it gallente?
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Because they haven't worked out how to???? Because it may not be possible? There are several ways to defeat cloaks but all of them have limitations.
and it takes over 200 years to get over those limitations?
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Also I'm not sure who brought it up but our warp drives are alot faster than most treck ships but if somone has the math im sure they can prove/disprove that.
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No, star-trek warp drives are MUCH MUCH faster than EVE warp drives. A hell of a lot slower than star-gates or jump drives however :)
Light travels at 7.20 au/h
Startrek caps out at warp 9.9, beacause apperantly at warp 10 funky things start to happen warp 9.9. According to alot of other peoples work I wont take credit for this warp 9.9 is appox is 21,000 times faster than the speed of light or 151,200 AU/h or 42 Au/s but your almost going to break the ship at that point.
Average warp speeds chosen for stressless travel seems to be around warp 5 or 100 faster than the speed of light or 720 au/h and warp 8 for flooring it when in emergency at 1000 faster than the speed of light or 7,200au/h
A simple rifter goes 6.0 AU/s or 21,600 Au/h which is 3085 times faster than the speed of light without breaking a sweat in star treck terms this is warping at 9 point something. This is before adding rigs and the sort.
Im sure there is a faster warping scout ship in eve but I cant nail it down right now.
So in all possibility ships in eve DO warp faster.
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What do you think replicators in star trek are????
energy to matter converters since energy economics seem non existent in star treck.
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Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 31/05/2009 01:47:51
My poast = fackin amazinG
Or something.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:52:00 -
[54]
FIRE PHOTON TORPEDOES!
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.31 02:13:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Taedrin on 31/05/2009 02:14:09
Originally by: Nova Fox
Im sure there is a faster warping scout ship in eve but I cant nail it down right now.
Interceptors have a 13au/s warp speed, IIRC. Very useful when you are trying to chase a ship in a 0.0 "pipe".
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Akira Kurosaw
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:01:00 -
[56]
Originally by: baltec1
Also minitar BS fire VW Beatles at other ships.
does that mean minmater faction ammo is Volvoes?
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:16:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 31/05/2009 02:14:09
Originally by: Nova Fox
Im sure there is a faster warping scout ship in eve but I cant nail it down right now.
Interceptors have a 13au/s warp speed, IIRC. Very useful when you are trying to chase a ship in a 0.0 "pipe".
I'd have to check inties again, but yeah, cov ops frigs certainly go 13 au/s and you can rig them to go 19.4 au/s.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
1. I didn't even read the second part of your post becuase.........
1. Your saying star trek is realistic. it is but. Not THAT realistic. Maybe you should buy a laser pointer and go play with a cat????
And Projectiles... In eve.. are by FAR... NOT the most POWERFUL... they SUCK HORIBLY, They don't fire fast enough, they have horrid tracking, and quite frankly... they just suck, I've used lasers and amarr tech for 6 years, I have every races ships and weapons up to t2 command ships, hacs, Bs's t2 Guns, Everything.
And projectiles SUCK. IMHO.
However, Seriously, A 1400mm Cannon? Those should be doing one hit kills on cruisers.. .if not BS's powercores....
Seriously.. 1400mm!!! freakin A!
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:21:00 -
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Oh, it was just a troll???
Well I had fun ranting anyway, Thanks for making my day better for about 1 minute.
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Lithyia Theia
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Horrigan
Oh, it was just a troll???
Well I had fun ranting anyway, Thanks for making my day better for about 1 minute.
why care if its a troll, were boored at work and need meaningless things to read/talk about, keep the post going
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:43:00 -
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how can ships in EVE and star trek survive getting hit by atoms when moving faster than the speed of light
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Hrodgar Ortal
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Posted - 2009.05.31 05:00:00 -
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Yes it is unrealistic, it is a game.
If you want realism, go outside.
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Xetic Thrull
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.31 05:36:00 -
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They totally ruined Star Trek amirite?
My opinions do not neccesarily reflect the generally agreed upon state of reality(s).
P.S.
Would you like bannana or blueberry flavored death? My siggy would like some color love.
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Maisha Libo
Caldari
Stupid Piwats
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Posted - 2009.05.31 06:07:00 -
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and to quote from zero punctuation, "Eve Online is for nerds who are to nerds, what nerds are to normal people"
I didn't even think it was possible to pick apart something as efficiently and pointlessly as this.
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The AEther
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.31 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
according to Sun Tzu simplicity prevails and you can't argue against the author of Art of War
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 06:35:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Rhinanna on 31/05/2009 06:36:10
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Let drop my shields and de-energize my di-electic layers to recharge my capacitors, Im sure my highly advanced conductors can handel it and deflect all the extra.
Since PHOTONS don't have an electrical charge you can't conduct them. That would only work with PROTONS. Also even if it was an electrical charge that you could super-conduct, you haven't put the energy anywhere, basically as soon as you came near any conductive object it would arc, creating massive heat on both object and doing damage to both.
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Subspace sensors dont work in real space, also just screams out electronically having a constale hole to alter space, and finally lets see how well that works with a warp scrambler flooding the sensors.
Objects in real-space effect subspace and the scanners pick that up. Since warp scrams don't exist in star trek your warp-scram theory is invalid.
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Supspace shields is asking for your ship to get torn between two realities easily if exploited a worthy military research development to find an exploit for, counter harmonics will still be applicaple with multifrequency not just for bypassing but for the most harassment on sensors, sheild generation stress and bad feedback.
Subspace isn't a different reality, its part of this one, just a layer beyond what humans can perceive. Also how do you know 1. What amount of power it would take to generate a field to create a resonance in a subspace field? 2. What this would do to subspace 3. That this hasn't already been accounted for in their shield design?
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and it takes over 200 years to get over those limitations?
We've had brains for over 200 years and no-one has worked out how to jam them yet, it may not be physically possible to easily detect someone through cloak, and even if it was YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THE CLOAKING TECHNOLOGY IS BEEN DEVELOPED AS WELL TO MAKE CLOAKING EVEN HARDER TO DETECT!!!!!
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Startrek caps out at warp 9.9, beacause apperantly at warp 10 funky things start to happen warp 9.9
No, startrek caps out at warp 9.9999999999 reoccurring because warp 10 is INFINITE SPEED. Its an exponential scale. Generally ships travel much slower as faster damages space time and could repeated use in an area could cause serious problems. The enterprise E can maintain warp 9.99 for 12 hours which is 367072322.25145539494646531118158 AU/h or 101964.53395873760970735147532822 AU/s Slightly faster than your rifter no? :)
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energy to matter converters since energy economics seem non existent in star trek.
Incorrect, they transform matter to energy then back to matter, maintaining energy economics.
If you have no idea what you are talking about why bother posting? :)
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Alex Raptos
Caldari
Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna
If you have no idea what you are talking about why bother posting? :)
To troll people like you 
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 06:42:00 -
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I'm fairly sure Nova isn't a troll :) I could be wrong but..... well he puts too much work into the shipyard to ruin his rep trolling :)
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.05.31 08:29:00 -
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Theres is one thing thats silly , that you need to keep applyiong force to stay at the same speed in space.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.31 08:43:00 -
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hehe... well, luckily, we don't need ships to warp all that fast. the poor trekkers have to warp interstellar distances. we have stargates for that. we just need to warp arround a little ol solar system, so no problem. :)
B% was a bit closer to the eve universe with the jump gates and hyperspace jump technology, but then they didn't have warp at all afaik.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.31 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Michaela Mirajkar
Especially beaming is a prime example of illogical stuff in StarTrek.
Fine, lets consider for a moment that you can beam stuff.... why the heck do they need torpedos then ?
In Perry Rhodan, they at least use Transform-Canons, that "beam" a nuclear bomb direclt to the shields of the enemy or even through them, if they can pass the shields.
Why does the enterprise not just beam a bomb on board of an enemy ship, once the shields are failing ?
Dont tell me, that a simply explosive mechanism is more difficult to beam than a human being.
Sounds to me like a troll from StarTrek Online, where recently a thread was startet with the topic, if STO could ever become "as good as" EVE ;)
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To take down the shields.
In Star Fleet Battles there are transporter bombs, they are generally banned by the Federation. Though I don't think they've ever been used in the shows or movies.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 09:19:00 -
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Since PHOTONS don't have an electrical charge you can't conduct them. That would only work with PROTONS. Also even if it was an electrical charge that you could super-conduct, you haven't put the energy anywhere, basically as soon as you came near any conductive object it would arc, creating massive heat on both object and doing damage to both.
So if photons arent conductive as you say how do they transfer energy? No transfer of energy no phsyical duress is caused by it. Also since it seemingly cant be charged up, you just stated to me a highly improbable weapon.
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Objects in real-space effect subspace and the scanners pick that up. Since warp scrams don't exist in star trek your warp-scram theory is invalid.
Sorry where in the neutral zone star treck and eve teck are in the same bubble of existence for this debate.
There are two kinds of warp scramblers in eve.
One floods the little space which bonds this space and the 'warp' space to the point it over stresses the warp core, operating it would be asking to kiss your power core goodbye. The traditional warp scrambler
The other entirely devoids the area, preventing any formation of the 'warp bubble' required to step out of reality. Interdiction spheres mostly. Which is why warp core stabs work against traditional and not interdiction. The anti interdiction module with tech 3 ships is probably a localaized pernament warp bubble.
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Subspace isn't a different reality, its part of this one, just a layer beyond what humans can perceive. Also how do you know 1. What amount of power it would take to generate a field to create a resonance in a subspace field? 2. What this would do to subspace 3. That this hasn't already been accounted for in their shield design?
I'm pertty sure that stepping into subspace without protection is not recommended, in response 1 I wouldn have to use much power, just coax your shields into doing it for me. 2 dunno what happens when matter/energy not belonging to a certain space no longer matches? 3 Alot of people think that, and bam surpise! your technology is useless because somone was smater than you and exploited it and never thought about it before.
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We've had brains for over 200 years and no-one has worked out how to jam them yet, it may not be physically possible to easily detect someone through cloak, and even if it was YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THE CLOAKING TECHNOLOGY IS BEEN DEVELOPED AS WELL TO MAKE CLOAKING EVEN HARDER TO DETECT!!!!![/qoute]
Cloaking is a massive enough threat to the federation that they should heavily employ more research into exploiting it
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No, startrek caps out at warp 9.9999999999 reoccurring because warp 10 is INFINITE SPEED. Its an exponential scale. Generally ships travel much slower as faster damages space time and could repeated use in an area could cause serious problems. The enterprise E can maintain warp 9.99 for 12 hours which is 367000000 AU/h or 101000 AU/s Slightly faster than your rifter no? :)
According to other trekkies regulations disallow speeds beyond warp 9.2 which is about 2000x faster than light, and for amarr sakes round we're dealing with astronimcal measurements here you can spew those sort of numbers when it comes trying to beat somone from point A to B. Oh once upon a time they did go warp 14.4.
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energy to matter converters since energy economics seem non existent in star trek.
So... momvent lights and heat bleeding out destoys this balance?
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If you have no idea what you are talking about why bother posting? :)
Making you work to prove your point. I also write my own sci-fi which has alot of ideas so I wanna tear something apart for once.
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Halo
CyberDyne Industries
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.05.31 09:56:00 -
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You want realism? try going outside and getting a girlfriend
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
I belevie minmatar have antimatter reactors, or was it gallente?
No, it's the Amarr, Mr. Shipbuilder. The ones you seem to want to portray as low-tech.
The Minmatar use Fission, the Gallente use Fusion, the Caldari use Graviton Reactors (however those would work). No black holes as far as I can see.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:05:00 -
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Hanging out with the dorkatrons ITT.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Nova Fox
I belevie minmatar have antimatter reactors, or was it gallente?
No, it's the Amarr, Mr. Shipbuilder. The ones you seem to want to portray as low-tech.
The Minmatar use Fission, the Gallente use Fusion, the Caldari use Graviton Reactors (however those would work). No black holes as far as I can see.
Gravitron Reactors are blackholes now how they use it I'm not sure.
Amarr are low tech majority if thier fleets havent been upgraded in centuries, even the Abbadon is an old design. Maganate and the Legion are probably the two newest hull to hit the market. Now being low tech doesnt mean the technology isnt proven, if it works why break it?
Other than that thanks for the correction on Power reactors eve uses I keep confusing them.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Gravitron Reactors are blackholes now how they use it I'm not sure.
I would adore to see a source on this. I just hope it's not another t0nyG invention.
Originally by: Nova Fox
Amarr are low tech majority if thier fleets havent been upgraded in centuries, even the Abbadon is an old design. Maganate and the Legion are probably the two newest hull to hit the market. Now being low tech doesnt mean the technology isnt proven, if it works why break it?
I think we have wildly different views on what the term "low-tech" means.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:23:00 -
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I think so too.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rachel Silverside
how can ships in EVE and star trek survive getting hit by atoms when moving faster than the speed of light
They aren't moving faster than the speed of light. In fact, they aren't even in the same section of space-time during warp. They are in effect taking a short-cut through higher-dimensional space-time to arrive at their destination sooner while still not exceeding the speed of light. There are no atoms in the intervening medium for them to collide with.
Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Nova Fox
I belevie minmatar have antimatter reactors, or was it gallente?
No, it's the Amarr, Mr. Shipbuilder. The ones you seem to want to portray as low-tech.
The Minmatar use Fission, the Gallente use Fusion, the Caldari use Graviton Reactors (however those would work). No black holes as far as I can see.
Gravitron Reactors are blackholes now how they use it I'm not sure.
Amarr are low tech majority if thier fleets havent been upgraded in centuries, even the Abbadon is an old design. Maganate and the Legion are probably the two newest hull to hit the market. Now being low tech doesnt mean the technology isnt proven, if it works why break it?
Other than that thanks for the correction on Power reactors eve uses I keep confusing them.
Graviton reactors are actually quite feasible, and if we had a black hole available now then we could probably build one (though health and safety wouldn't be too happy). If Stephen Hawking was correct when he proposed the idea of Hawking Radiation, then black holes in fact do radiate energy. The smaller a black hole is the faster it releases energy. Therefore, all you need to do is get a small black hole, set up energy collectors of some sort round it and keep feeding it mass at the correct rate to maintain its size. It should theoretically be a perfect mass -> energy converter. You could contain the black hole by feeding it charged particles and keeping it in a magnetic field, though it would be much safer to do this in orbit (preferably of another planet) so if anything did go wrong it wouldn't risk destroying the Earth (you might just be left with a black hole in orbit).
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
When youve travelled through a worm hole and can tell us what its like then i will start listening to you.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:37:00 -
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Sorry I would build a black hole reactor testing lab FAR away from anything that might feed it. Including planets, dont need it to feed enough to eat the whole system by accident.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Theres is one thing thats silly , that you need to keep applyiong force to stay at the same speed in space.
Not really, as the EVE space physics engine is based on the fact that space is filled with liquid. This game could easily be modified to be an internet submarine game instead 
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King Dead
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:17:00 -
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It is so unrealistic I mean pfff there are no spaceships in the real world are there? Well? Didn't think so. We should make a game where everyone is just an average joe and you walk around and get a job, cheat on your wife, run down the elderly you know those things real people do.
I want all my escapist hobbies to be a reflection of the real world. Do you hear me CCP?!?
As for it not following the made up physics of fiction well I am totally shocked and appalled that CCP did not first invent a time machine to go forward and get some upto date text books on how real spaceships work and in turn make their game based on real solid science rather than an approximation due to feasibility.
I am cancelling my 324461245343 accounts immediatly!
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
lolwut?
they can teleport fotons and single electrons.
Can they teleport dictionaries?
I lol'd
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:32:00 -
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OP is partially right. EVE is unrealistic.
however, lets NOT bring realism to this GAME. space travel under speed of light sucks.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
O dear, I think this worked a little too well....
Just pointing out this one reply.
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
O dear, I think this worked a little too well....
Just pointing out this one reply.
It's nice when a troll works out well and everyone has a good laugh (none more so then myself) but reading through this thread makes me sad for humanity.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Hey i'm a fan of star trek, i joined eve and choose caldari becouse they got torpedoes, but then i discovered that i cannot destroy anything with one single shot.
Change the game for me, kthxbye
Fixed it for you.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez
Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
I agree.
As for teleporters,,,how do you think you transfer loot into your cargohold? Magic?
The best bet would be "gameplay". It takes a second in the game, but from an RP perspective I would reckon they use drones.
Originally by: Stitcher
It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:04:00 -
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Star trek is better than EVE.
Proof: In Star Trek VI, the Enterprise manages to detect cloaked ships and then destroy it.
I expect CCP to implement a system which enables us to detect the exhaust of cov ops and bombers.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:17:00 -
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Yes, EVE is unrealistic. And I like it that way.
If you want realism go play a flight sim or something, not any Sci-Fi related game.
Jeez...
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:29:00 -
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Delphi you are a horrible troll but people still go for it every time. I don't understand.
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain
Delphi you are a horrible troll but people still go for it every time. I don't understand.
The problem is your definition of a "horrible troll".
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:51:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Arec Bardwin on 31/05/2009 12:50:54
Originally by: TraininVain
Delphi you are a horrible troll but people still go for it every time. I don't understand.
Another flawless victory for Delphi and the forum trolls 
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:03:00 -
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I see,when a scamming alt becomes useless it creates a cocoon and after a few weeks emerges an a fugly troll alt.
Interesting.....
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 31/05/2009 14:30:55
Originally by: Nova Fox
Sorry I would build a black hole reactor testing lab FAR away from anything that might feed it. Including planets, dont need it to feed enough to eat the whole system by accident.
Actually, the black hole will not destroy the rest of the solar system. The mass and velocity will be practically the same, so the orbit will be the same. The only difference will be that instead of a planet you have a black hole orbiting the star. It only becomes dangerous in the black hole managed to fall into the Sun or came very close to the Earth.
EDIT: For the record, I am well aware this is a troll. I just find the topic at hand interesting.
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Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
It's unfair to compare EVE to a high-calibre documentary such as Star Trek.
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Karth Mentis
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:29:00 -
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Star Trek have been allways unrealistic because it was made before lasers where made. Eve Online have allways showed up a more real level of realism in its long detailed list of modules and ships.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 31/05/2009 16:45:52
Originally by: Nova Fox
Also over 200 years of development and building **** why in the hell the hasnt federation havent built counter cloaking devices two to possibly three of thier biggest enemies uses cloaks, what does the other side do? they build cloaks that allow them to fire while cloaked. Cmon federation your lagging behind on the arms race. Cloaks in eve are less than 20 years old and aren't advanced enough that every ship could afford to have em.
I am no trekkie, but i think thats down to treaty, same as the fed not developing of their own. Like the U.s (supposedly) not developing anti-ballistic missiles over the last 40 years.
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.31 17:04:00 -
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yea eve is very unrealistic, i mean i could write a book ripping it apart, but its fun so easy up
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Styxia Acheron
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Posted - 2009.05.31 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Styxia Acheron on 31/05/2009 17:08:13
Originally by: Karth Mentis
Star Trek have been allways unrealistic because it was made before lasers where made.
The first laser was successfully demonstrated on 16 May 1960, Star Trek debuted 8 September 1966.
Edit: God I hate this forum software.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Edited by: Rhinanna on 31/05/2009 17:51:15
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So if photons arent conductive as you say how do they transfer energy? No transfer of energy no phsyical duress is caused by it. Also since it seemingly cant be charged up, you just stated to me a highly improbable weapon.
Electrical conductivity != thermal conductivity. Having a thermal super conductive layer (if that even exists in EvE, its theoretical as it if it can exist at all) it would really be a bad idea to use it on a space ship since they rely on radiating heat to cool down, a thermal super conductive layer would stop this and instead just conduct the heat to the inside of your ship meaning you get cooked alive! Mmmmm tasty :)
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There are two kinds of warp scramblers in eve.
One floods the little space which bonds this space and the 'warp' space to the point it over stresses the warp core, operating it would be asking to kiss your power core goodbye.
The other entirely devoids the area, preventing any formation of the 'warp bubble' required to step out of reality. Interdiction spheres mostly. Which is why warp core stabs work against traditional and not interdiction. The anti interdiction module with tech 3 ships is probably a localaized pernament warp bubble.
And since scanners probably work on 1 of any frequency range they would be able to cut through the interference on that single frequency, where as a warp drive would need to clear out all the frequencies to operate. Also subspace is in no way 'stepping out of reality' and it IS safe to enter unprotected, you essentially enter stasis until retrieved.
Edit: Star trek warp doesn't work like that either, it compresses space
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in response 1 I wouldn have to use much power, just coax your shields into doing it for me.
Which would require you having more control over my shields than I do..... Errrmmm fine maybe if you have a much much bigger ship entirely dedicated to doing that at short range perhaps, otherwise not likely. It's be more efficient to mount some Phasers and blow my shields to hell!
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dunno what happens when matter/energy not belonging to a certain space no longer matches?
Not sure what you mean, no energy is created or destroyed so.....
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Alot of people think that, and bam surpise! your technology is useless because somone was smater than you and exploited it and never thought about it before.
Has happened several times in star trek canon, as new anti-shield developments are made, new shield developments are made to compensate, which leads to more anti-shield developments ad infiniatium. You know just like real life! Take Tanks, first they where virtually immune to anything, then someone developed the anti-tank gun and shaped charged warheads, then chobham and laminate armour was invented to defeat those, then the British invented the HESH (Hi explosive squash head) rounds to defeat those!. Its a endless cycle of development and counter development as is evidenced in the star-trek universe very well!
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Cloaking is a massive enough threat to the federation that they should heavily employ more research into exploiting it
They do and have done in several eps. The Romulans survive because of cloaking however so invest just as much in improving it.
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According to other trekkies regulations disallow speeds beyond warp 9.2
Warp 6 is the maximum speed for normal travel due to the damage to space time/subspace, in emergency situations than the ship's maximum is the top speed allowed.
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Oh once upon a time they did go warp 14.4.
Given Warp 10 means you exist in every location in the universe at the same time I don't think they did. If it was from 'Enterprise' series then they where using a different warp scale at that point I believe.
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So... momvent lights and heat bleeding out destoys this balance?
Errr In English???? There is nothing stopping them adding extra power from the generators to the material for heat/light e.t.c.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:30:00 -
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Electrical conductivity != thermal conductivity. Having a thermal super conductive layer (if that even exists in EvE, its theoretical as it if it can exist at all) it would really be a bad idea to use it on a space ship since they rely on radiating heat to cool down, a thermal super conductive layer would stop this and instead just conduct the heat to the inside of your ship meaning you get cooked alive! Mmmmm tasty :)
I thought thermal super conductance was one thoery behind cloaking on the sensors, also having a thermal asorbant layer is nice for taking on other nasties such as plasma, but you still havent explained on holding enough charge to be a destructive enough force to be meangingful without melting or fusing the point in orgin.
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And since scanners probably work on 1 of any frequency range they would be able to cut through the interference on that single frequency, where as a warp drive would need to clear out all the frequencies to operate. Also subspace is in no way 'stepping out of reality' and it IS safe to enter unprotected, you essentially enter stasis until retrieved.
Flooding/Devoiding tends to cover most of a spectrum or scews with readbacks entirely. Also its safe to assume that not all materials step into supspace at the same rate. Its not safe trust me, if I only put the outside half in subspace I can gaurantee it will be a very unpleasant experince.
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Edit: Star trek warp doesn't work like that either, it compresses space
No wonder why they cant go past warp 10, thats trying to build a black hole in front of you.
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Which would require you having more control over my shields than I do..... Errrmmm fine maybe if you have a much much bigger ship entirely dedicated to doing that at short range perhaps, otherwise not likely. It's be more efficient to mount some Phasers and blow my shields to hell!
And this is where you shooting me becomes effective no? Your own phasers gotta match your shield frequencies just to bypass them right? If not there's the hole in your shields I need to shoot then.
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Not sure what you mean, no energy is created or destroyed so.....
Im sure some of it gets sent back or becomes in tune with the new environment but cant say for sur
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Alot of people think that, and bam surpise! your technology is useless because somone was smater than you and exploited it and never thought about it before.
Has happened several times in star trek canon, as new anti-shield developments are made, new shield developments are made to compensate, which leads to more anti-shield developments ad infiniatium. You know just like real life! Take Tanks, first they where virtually immune to anything, then someone developed the anti-tank gun and shaped charged warheads, then chobham and laminate armour was invented to defeat those, then the British invented the HESH (Hi explosive squash head) rounds to defeat those!. Its a endless cycle of development and counter development as is evidenced in the star-trek universe very well!
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Cloaking is a massive enough threat to the federation that they should heavily employ more research into exploiting it
They do and have done in several eps. The Romulans survive because of cloaking however so invest just as much in improving it.
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Warp 6 is the maximum speed for normal travel due to the damage to space time/subspace, in emergency situations than the ship's maximum is the top speed allowed.
Warp 6 is only 400x faster than the speed of light.
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Errr In English???? There is nothing stopping them adding extra power from the generators to the material for heat/light e.t.c.
Thus there is an energy economy.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente
Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: TigerXtrm
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek...
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
It's unfair to compare EVE to a high-calibre documentary such as Star Trek.
Sadly enough the VF-1 Valkayrie is more documented than any of the Enterprises, I mean cmon that thing has a technician's repair manual and a navy aviation technical operator's publication.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:01:00 -
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I thought thermal super conductance was one thoery behind cloaking on the sensors, also having a thermal asorbant layer is nice for taking on other nasties such as plasma, but you still havent explained on holding enough charge to be a destructive enough force to be meangingful without melting or fusing the point in orgin.
No, its a method of emissions baffling which is a very low level version of cloaking, more akin to stealth. It would be like called a modern stealth fighter a cloaking vessel. It doesn't cloak it just makes itself hard to find to certain types of sensors.
The destructive force can easily be held in a form which is easier to contain such as matter for example. A powerful weapon available today is the X-ray laser nuke, which uses a nuclear explosion to fire an incredibly powerful 1 shot laser. This or several other methods could be used to contain the destructive force.
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Flooding/Devoiding tends to cover most of a spectrum or scews with readbacks entirely. Also its safe to assume that not all materials step into supspace at the same rate. Its not safe trust me, if I only put the outside half in subspace I can gaurantee it will be a very unpleasant experince.
Yes but its MUCH MUCH easier and requires much less power to break through on 1 frequency than it would to break through on all frequencies.
Also if its not safe you had better tell that to Sisko since he spent several years in sub-space in one episode of DS9 :) And yes all materials do step into subspace at an equal level based totally on their mass.
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No wonder why they cant go past warp 10, thats trying to build a black hole in front of you.
Slightly different but that is what limits the speed of ST ships basically, how much you can compress the space in front of you without ripping space/time.
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And this is where you shooting me becomes effective no? Your own phasers gotta match your shield frequencies just to bypass them right? If not there's the hole in your shields I need to shoot then.
Good point, except your assuming that the shields can't be set to allow outgoing energy of any frequency, regardless of your shield frequency. Since we have no idea how deflector shields might work we can't really argue if this point is possible or not :)
Not sure what happened with your next few points, it seems you've copied my previous post directly. Quoting error? :)
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Warp 6 is only 400x faster than the speed of light.
Yep, sorry that's max in-system speed. Max allowed non-emergency speed in deep-space is faster but I can't recall the exact number. All non-federation and federation ships responding to emergencies are allowed to go as fast as they can.
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Thus there is an energy economy.
Errr yes, that was the point I was making!!!!!
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 31/05/2009 19:31:17
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No, its a method of emissions baffling which is a very low level version of cloaking, more akin to stealth. It would be like called a modern stealth fighter a cloaking vessel. It doesn't cloak it just makes itself hard to find to certain types of sensors.
So in the end I could set my phaser to wagner and find nearby cloaked ships easily then right?
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The destructive force can easily be held in a form which is easier to contain such as matter for example. A powerful weapon available today is the X-ray laser nuke, which uses a nuclear explosion to fire an incredibly powerful 1 shot laser. This or several other methods could be used to contain the destructive force.
So phasers have ammo is what you're saying?
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Yes but its MUCH MUCH easier and requires much less power to break through on 1 frequency than it would to break through on all frequencies.
You still wouldnt get a proper or accurate read back at all though if the entire area is flooded, and if its devoid of subspace well... your not getting any readings back.
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Also if its not safe you had better tell that to Sisko since he spent several years in sub-space in one episode of DS9 :) And yes all materials do step into subspace at an equal level based totally on their mass.
Muscle has more mass than fat, so unless you got put into a bubble to have that entire area as act as a singlaur mass, generalized phasing without this bubble isnt recommended as some materails will phase faster than others.
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Slightly different but that is what limits the speed of ST ships basically, how much you can compress the space in front of you without ripping space/time.
Does the distance between the final destination and starting point compress or does the area in front of it continiously compress as it goes along? Because if its the final destination and start point type compression you would be litterally building a mass wall in front of you that you may slam into when you exit out of space compression or even better a massive nuclear explosion.
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Good point, except your assuming that the shields can't be set to allow outgoing energy of any frequency, regardless of your shield frequency. Since we have no idea how deflector shields might work we can't really argue if this point is possible or not :)
Wait why in the heck are they called deflector shields when they push things into subspace instead of deflected like earleir stated?
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Not sure what happened with your next few points, it seems you've copied my previous post directly. Quoting error? :)
Character limit most likely
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Worst. Post. Ever.
Really.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:27:00 -
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So in the end I could set my phaser to wagner and find nearby cloaked ships easily then right?
At close range, IE phaser range yes. This was done in star trek nemesis, just takes ****ing ages to hit every possible location within a 720 degree arc of the ship. Can be done at longer ranges with other types of scanning beams as well, See several episodes of DS9 season 3.
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So phasers have ammo is what you're saying?
Eh? Phasers have no ammo. They can however focus their beams on a smaller location than their firing crystal. The energy density at the target location would then be higher than even a firing crystal could tolerate. Also the firing crystal could only tolerate the firing energy in a specific direction much like a laser crystal today. This makes it impossible to use this as a form of armour.
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You still wouldnt get a proper or accurate read back at all though if the entire area is flooded, and if its devoid of subspace well... your not getting any readings back.
An area devoid of subspace would do very very nasty things to the ship in it, the only areas devoid of subspace in ST are the inside of black holes. I don't think your ship has that much power output. In fact only the Q would. And yes if you overpower the scram on a single frequency you would get the correct readings back. This is also assuming that the scram signal isn't consistent in which case you could simply filter it out and get the correct readings back anyway.....
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Muscle has more mass than fat, so unless you got put into a bubble to have that entire area as act as a singlaur mass, generalized phasing without this bubble isnt recommended as some materails will phase faster than others.
Muscle has exactly the same QUANTUM density as fat, this is an effect at the quantum level which would effect each electron, proton and neutron identically, thats assuming the effect isn't on an even lower level (Quarks) Much like gravity affects the same acceleration on every object, each quantum particle has the same effect and creates it's own gravity field which affects subspace.
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Does the distance between the final destination and starting point compress or does the area in front of it continiously compress as it goes along? Because if its the final destination and start point type compression you would be litterally building a mass wall in front of you that you may slam into when you exit out of space compression or even better a massive nuclear explosion.
A single bubble of compressed space in front of the ship that moves with the ship. Not a warp tunnel like in EVE. Therefore it would not be subject to the effect you describe.
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Wait why in the heck are they called deflector shields when they push things into subspace instead of deflected like earleir stated?
Because they DEFLECT the energy into sub-space, HENCE deflector shields!
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Mass at high speed, near c = a lot of energy, more so then lasers.
Teleporters, almost here in RL, lol, fail.
You have a very weak understanding of physics.
Granted, EVE is a game, and it has to be balanced, and not everything in it is close to RL, but not in the ways you said.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:35:00 -
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Wow for sci fi geeks people seem to miss alot of stuff
I am not going to quote because that would require work so I am just going to post some things that people have missed.
Romulans use an artificial quantum singularity (black hole) for warp, who knows maybe that is where ccp got the idea for caldari drives.
Warp 10 is something of a problem for star trek - The Next Generation, in a
possible or imaginary future, they fly at Warp 13. Both Admiral Riker
and Captain Beverly Picard call for this speed. However in Voyager we discover that warp 10 is infinite speed and causes problems with peoples DNA and makes the de-evolve? It seems Trek screwed something up between the shows but hey thats sci-fi for you.
Problems non laser guns in eve I have yet to see brought up are the recoil or Neutons third law - for every action there is an equal and oposite reaction. Basically shooting something out of your ship will cause your ship to move in the opposite direction equally using e=mc2. The mass is involved as well so while the mass of the ship is much greater it should still move in the opposite direction(see real life ion drives - shooting out ions for propulsion a ship can achieve almost light speed eventually)
So basically Sci fi never gets it all right and both eve and trek have to use little tricks so the cool stuff can happen. Which is fine by me I love sci fi because it lets your imagination run free and with that great things could happen when we figure out how to get past all the problems that physics and reality present to us.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:43:00 -
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Warp 10 is something of a problem for star trek - The Next Generation, in a
possible or imaginary future, they fly at Warp 13. Both Admiral Riker
and Captain Beverly Picard call for this speed.
Thats because the WF gets changes in the future so everyone isn't saying warp 9.9999 whenever they try to go anywhere. This is stated in the canon.
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Basically shooting something out of your ship will cause your ship to move in the opposite direction equally using e=mc2.
Recoilless rifles work on this by firing a smaller amount of mass at a higher speed in the opposite direction.
Yep there are a few flaws in Star Trek :) Its massively better than most Sci-fi however.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:51:00 -
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F = ma
Ever try to use that equation in Eve?
*hint* Eve makes physics cry
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Styxia Acheron
Originally by: Taak Coram
I'll bite. To quote a pretty good youtube video, why use lasers when the rock still hurts?
I can think of two reasons, though I'm sure there are many others.
First, Newton's Third Law makes projectile weapons of any real size a structural and navigational nightmare.
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i happen to know a fellow who designs artillery pieces for a living. ran some numbers by him about minnie arty back when i first started playing eve. making some incredibly generous assumptions along the way for it being far in the future etc he thought a 1400 mm arty would only be slightly larger than the minnie bs it was to mount on. the idea of mounting 8 of them sent him into a bad case of the giggles.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 31/05/2009 02:14:09
Originally by: Nova Fox
Im sure there is a faster warping scout ship in eve but I cant nail it down right now.
Interceptors have a 13au/s warp speed, IIRC. Very useful when you are trying to chase a ship in a 0.0 "pipe".
the warp speed scale changes between the original series and the next gen series. next gen is far faster for a given warp number.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Clan Gold Viper
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:09:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek...
I lol'd right about here.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Sorry I would build a black hole reactor testing lab FAR away from anything that might feed it. Including planets, dont need it to feed enough to eat the whole system by accident.
it's quite unlikely that any man made singularity would be big enough to present any problems indeed the major aggo would be creating one that lasted a useful length of time before "evapourating". even if it escaped containment and fell into the core of a planet the event horizon would be too small to allow it to feed fast enough to keep it from extinction.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:28:00 -
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i happen to know a fellow who designs artillery pieces for a living. ran some numbers by him about minnie arty back when i first started playing eve. making some incredibly generous assumptions along the way for it being far in the future etc he thought a 1400 mm arty would only be slightly larger than the minnie bs it was to mount on. the idea of mounting 8 of them sent him into a bad case of the giggles.
I think he doesn't know what hes talking about:
http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/119383.html
This is 800mm artillery gun, under 1/50th of the size of a minmatar BS, I don't see any reason why you couldn't have 8 1400mm ones in the future on a minmatar BS given technological advances e.t.c.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_David
914mm cannon, again much smaller than a minmatar BS.
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
Brotherhood of Soban
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:39:00 -
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Yeah Eve is so unrealistic. Damn them.
I want a REALISTIC game where I have to go poo with my character, go to the grocery store, get a 9-5 job and eat mashed potatoes.
LVL 4 driving in traffic FTW.
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maya ibuki2
THORN Syndicate
Mostly Harmless
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Edited by: maya ibuki2 on 01/06/2009 01:07:22
Originally by: Lilla Kharn
Extremely Unrealistic gamE. There is no 'V'. I demand a 'V'.
KHAAAAN!!!!!!!!!! *khaaaaan!!!!!*
eve v best v
also, op is teh epicest troll this week.
anyone else like the homage though?
SPOOOOOOOOCKK!!!!!!!!!! *spoooooockk!!!!!*
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Posted - 2009.06.01 02:02:00 -
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On a side note, a few days ago I watched this new and awesome Star Trek movie. Well, at least it's supposed to be awesome, that is if you believe hordes of fans and its 90-95% positive review ratings and such.
Anyway, aside from the few moments, it was pretty much below average - definitely not the space movie of the year I expected. I got more enjoyment out of another movie that is rated 35% on Rotten Tomatoes. This is definitely the last time I look at other people's movie reviews...
Also, sucessfull troll by OP, 9/10
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
The Empire Nation
Dead Mans Hand
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Posted - 2009.06.01 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life
1) we arnt even sure that that was the same photon.
2) in case you didnt notice, i can move stuff to my hold from a can 2500m away instantly. whats that, jovian pixie dust?
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.01 05:57:00 -
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Um... What part of the word GAME do you fail to understand? You want REALISM? Ok, your now in an Interstellar spaceship... oh wait... they don't exist!
Ok lets try: You shove implants into your head to increase your intelligence... oh wait... they don't exist (more is the pity, you obviously need them).
hmm how about... Your stuck on a small planet, orbiting around a mediocre star in one arm of an average galaxy in a universe that doesn't give a rats ass if an asteroid plows into your planet and wipes your species out of existence, and the closest thing you have to space ships is chemically powered, semi controlled bombs, strapped to thin, unshielded 'capsules of air' that wouldn't protect a mouses fart if anything larger than grain of sand hit it... Ahh there you have it! REALISM.
Fake Edit: In case you fail to know this... Star Trek isn't real either.
~SB
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.01 10:53:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
In case you fail to know this... Star Trek isn't real either.
~SB
Star Trek is based heavily on REAL science. They have many scientists who cross-check everything on the show to make sure it's all 100% realistic. Therefore it stands to reason that Star Trek can be taken as an authority on what a space-simulation game should be like.
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ViRUS Pottage
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.01 11:08:00 -
[125]
[biting]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
This is EVE, not Star Trek
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Again, this is EVE not **** Trek. And teleporters? Jump bridges, Titan Bridges.
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
EVE isn't a simulation game. Hence the fact you're not in your ships ****pit flying around with a joystick.
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Originally by: CCP Taera
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.01 11:12:00 -
[126]
Plysics is the win!
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Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.06.01 11:22:00 -
[127]
Maybe there should be some scam regarding CSM members and expenses but within the game rules? Just sayin'...
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Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.06.01 11:36:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Nevenda'ar
On a side note, a few days ago I watched this new and awesome Star Trek movie. Well, at least it's supposed to be awesome, that is if you believe hordes of fans and its 90-95% positive review ratings and such.
I also agree it wasn't that good but I've never been a Star Trek fan (well I used to casually watch Next Generation when it was on tv). The plot seemed very tenuous - time travel, black holes etc etc.
Apparently Ridley Scott is making an adaption of The Forever War he's first sci-fi movie since Blade Runner, that should be one to watch out for, I think he is a much better director then JJ Abrams.
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Reiisha
Evolution
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.01 11:41:00 -
[129]
Quote:
why do folks keep pulling this 300k paying subscribers from, when ever i have ever logged in (even with 2 accoutns) iveonly ever seen the server at 40k ish. i really dont beleive that 260 thousand people are just paying to subsidise the game without actually playing ?
From the STO forums, someone commenting on EVE. Funny thing is that several STO fanbois are actually drawing the exact same conclusion as the thread goes on - Link for the lazy. Brainfarts all over that thread.
From this evidence, i'd say EVE is much more realistic than STO.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.01 12:02:00 -
[130]
I got it! Jovians have photon torpedos and phaser cannons and use Zero Point shielding system.
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Gebher'el
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.01 12:04:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
This has to be the single most insane post I have yet seen.
I could tear apart everything at the first of the post but lets just focus on the culmination of the insanity, EVE is NOT a Space Simulation, it is an MMORPG! At least get the game genre right.
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Posted - 2009.06.01 12:16:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Gebher'el
This has to be the single most insane post successful troll I have yet seen.
Fixed it for you.
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Kenneth Bergmonster
Caldari
Rennfeuer
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.01 12:34:00 -
[133]
Regarding realism, did you notice how there is no gravity whatsoever?
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.01 12:39:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: Gebher'el
This has to be the single most insane post successful troll I have yet seen.
Fixed it for you.
Feeding the troll....
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Posted - 2009.06.01 12:52:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Star Trek is based heavily on REAL science. They have many scientists who cross-check everything on the show to make sure it's all 100% realistic. Therefore it stands to reason that Star Trek can be taken as an authority on what a space-simulation game should be like.
guys? is this thing a new generation trekkie, spawned by the last movie?
if so, god help us all...
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Wang LeeMei
Ero Guro
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.06.01 13:23:00 -
[136]
/me searches for another posting from OP apart from the opening one
i guess he got pwned by a projectile weapon rage quitted , hence the topic...
oh and isnt Star Trek just star trek ? and star wars is just star wars ?
so let eve be eve as it is w/ all its technologies...
u could even complain bout man in RL still not able to use sth like a warp drive or **** tho they able to in star trek hence every1 must be able to do so lol
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.06.01 13:26:00 -
[137]
Eve is full of idiots, muppets, egos, talentless gob****es and the occasional decent person.
I'd say that's about as realistic as it gets.
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.01 13:28:00 -
[138]
It's a game. It has to be logic, but not realistic.
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.01 14:05:00 -
[139]
Originally by: XenoPagan
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Star Trek is based heavily on REAL science. They have many scientists who cross-check everything on the show to make sure it's all 100% realistic. Therefore it stands to reason that Star Trek can be taken as an authority on what a space-simulation game should be like.
guys? is this thing a new generation trekkie, spawned by the last movie?
if so, god help us all...
I have not seen any star trek movies. I've only seen Voyager and read a few of the novels. That doesn't change the fact that I know they consult many real scientists before they write a single word down for each episode/novel.
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Posted - 2009.06.01 14:34:00 -
[140]
I haven't read beyond the first page, so apologies if someone has already made the same comments already.
You have to admire the balls of someone who can use the words "Star Trek" and "realism" in the same sentence. Think I'll point out just how realistic the realm of Narnia is, as I am regularly confronted with talking lions that hide amongst my suits. And that Mr Tumnus, what a bastard! He keeps wearing my trousers and stretching them with his freakish goat legs.
Some people do get a little over-protective of their favoured fantasy world, and the same is true of some of the EVE freaks. Learn to develop a sense of humour, and realise the whole of reality isn't going to come crashing down around your ears because someone prefers a different 'brand'.
Sci-Fi, Fantasy and Horror are all genres that deal with things that don't exist. Some things may resemble existing science enough for them to come true, and other things are just blatantly impossible. This is not the point. These genres allow us to examine things about the human condition, and allow us to confront topics that simply couldn't be done in any other fashion. Just ask yourself why the Caldari are the most popular race. Is this because more people in the world identify with a militaristic culture, or is it because people just prefer missiles to railguns?
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Posted - 2009.06.01 15:26:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Rhinanna
Recoilless rifles work on this by firing a smaller amount of mass at a higher speed in the opposite direction.
Recoilless rifle work by allowing a large percentage of the propellant gas to escape in the opposite direction of the fired round. Gas, not mass, as mass would be an extraordinarily bad idea (your enemies are generally in front of you, your friends behind, and your friends generally object to you hurling high speed projectiles at them every time you fire at the enemy). This doesn't counter the recoil -- the name is a misnomer -- but instead reduces it just enough to make the weapons (tank busters, mostly) practical to use in anything short of an APC.
While such a system could possibly be used in a space-based application, it would cut down on the gun's efficiency more then a tad (as in way more), would likely only partly counter the gun firing (begging the question, why bother?), would likely limit the weapon travel (can't constantly eject hot gasses onto the hull), and would overall do little to reduce those disadvantages any mass-driving/firing weapon has over a strictly ZFT-based design.
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Cross Roads
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:04:00 -
[142]
The com whistled. ôCaptain to the bridge,ö UhuraÆs voice stated. Kirk climbed out of bed.
ôGet your clothes on and get to your post,ö he told the pretty ensign who lay there undressed. Rushing, he put his own clothes on and made his way to the bridge. Settling into his chair, he demanded, ôreport.ö
ôCaptain, there is a ship of unknown design on long-range sensors,ö Spock said. He added, ôall attempts to communicate have been returned only with a demand for 2950 interstellar kredits, whatever they may be.ö
ôWait, communication is coming through now,ö said Uhura.
ôOn screen.ö
The balding, angular face of Maxpie materialized on the screen. ôWhat can I do for you,ö he asked.
ôCaptain, the unknown ship is locking us,ö Mr. Sulu announced.
ôNot unknown, this is my Typhoon. I suggest you leave now,ö said Maxpie.
Alarmed Kirk shouted, ôGo to red alert.ö Immediately Checkov raised shields as warnings announced red alert through the ship. ôThis is Captain James T. Kirk of the Federation Starship Enterprise. We were investigating a wormhole for scientific study and have no intention of leaving this area of space until we are finished,ö he said sternly. Looking at Checkov he added, ôcharge phasers and load photon torpedos.ö
ôIÆm warning you for the last time to leave. HereÆs what you could call a warning shot,ö Maxpie countered. His crew always had all weapons systems at the ready. With a thought four cruise missiles launched towards the Enterprise.
Sulu calmly stated, ôCaptain, the unknown vessel has launched four missiles of some sort.ö
ôEvasive maneuvers,ö Kirk responded.
The Enterprise started to turn, but the missiles slammed into itÆs shields.
ôShields holding at 93%,ö reported Sulu.
ôOpen fire!,ö Kirk ordered. With that a full spread of photon torpedoes left the enterprise while phasers burned into the TyphoonÆs shields, dropping them to 90%. Then the photon torpedoes struck with a massive explosion. Maxpie felt it in his pod. Shields were ripped apart to 31%.
ôVery well,ö Maxpie thought as he closed the com channel, ôweÆll play rough.ö Activating his micro-warp drive, Maxpie began an orbit around the Enterprise. As he closed, his autocannons opened fire. As the emp ammo burned into the shields of the Enterprise, Maxpie activated his warp scrambler and stasis webifier.
ôCaptain, warp engines have gone offline,ö Scotty announced over the com system.
ôGet those engines back online Mr. Scott. Sulu, get us out of here. Emergency power. Fire another volley at the enemy ship.ö
Phasers and photon torpedoes again lashed out at the Typhoon, destroying the few shields that were still up. But Maxpie was not concerned. Shields were just a buffer for the heavily armored battleship. With armor hardeners and a high quality armor repair unit, it would take far more to destroy the Typhoon.
ôCaptain, propulsion is greatly diminished. Some sort of micro energy streams from the enemy ship are slowing us down,ö Sulu announced. Though his voice was calm, he begun to worry.
ôSpock, is there any way to counter it?ö asked Kirk.
ôNone captain, but I will try to find a solution.ö
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Cross Roads
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:04:00 -
[143]
By now the EnterpriseÆs shields were down to 43% as the missiles and autocannons kept pounding away.
ôCaptain, there are five large objects approaching our ship,ö Spock stated.
ôAnalysis?ö
ôThey appear to be robotic weapons of some sort,ö Spock replied as the OgreÆs began to orbit the Enterprise, each blasting it with heavy thermal damage.
ôShields down captain.ö
With minimal armor, the Enterprise started taking heavy damage to its hull. ôNo armor? DonÆt they even have a damage control unit?ö Maxpie thought as a com channel was again requested.
ôWhat can I do for you, Captain Kirk?ö
Defeated, Kirk said, ôCease fire, we surrender.ö
Maxpie recalled his drones and deactivated his weapons, but kept orbiting the warp scrambled and webbed Enterprise. ôHow much is your ship worth to you captain,ö he asked.
ôIn our society, we have no need of currency. We have found a better way. Everyone if fully provided for and free to pursue their own betterment and to help society. Surely you can see the benefits the Federation has given our population. Perhaps there is a place for you with us,ö said Kirk, clearly looking to start a soliloquy.
ôCaptain, you have 10 seconds to transmit 100 million isk to me or you will find yourself in your pod, which I suggest you get to right now.ö replied Maxpie. ôIs this guy an idiot or what,ö he thought to himself, ômaybe some kind of role play freak.ö
ôIsk, pod? I donÆt even know what these things are you speak of,ö Kirk said. ôPlease give us more time, we can come to an understanding that will benefit both our people.ö
Launching cruise missiles, Maxpie began bookmarking the location. ôI wonder what kind of loot and salvage I can get from this ship,ö he thought. As the Enterprise exploded, Maxpie was dismayed to see that there was no loot or even a wreck to salvage. Apparently the shipÆs matter anti-matter engines went critical, destroying everything. Oddly, there was no pod either. Perhaps this Kirk had been telling the truth after all. ôOh, well, better to be safe than sorry,ö Maxpie thought as he jumped plotted his destination back home.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:09:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Styxia Acheron
Gas, not mass...
Think about it for a second.
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Shadow Devourer
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:16:00 -
[145]
I was going to say that.
Instead I'll say: gas has mass. DUH.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:36:00 -
[146]
Also the gas is normally fired in a ^ direction backwards from most recoilless rifles making it very dangerous to stand to either side and behind of someone firing a recoilless rifle. The gas also has a higher velocity than the rifle round, almost completely reducing the recoil to zero.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:02:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Maxpie
the funneh
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:22:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
I have not seen any star trek movies. I've only seen Voyager and read a few of the novels. That doesn't change the fact that I know they consult many real scientists before they write a single word down for each episode/novel.
delphi please take a moment and google star trek science mistakes or something like that. there are a number of websites that go through trek's many science goofups. worse they are not self consistent about what rules they heave out the airlock.
they do have a tech bible for writers but if it comes down to the story going the way the writer wants then the bible goes by the wayside.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:27:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Styxia Acheron
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Recoilless rifle work by allowing a large percentage of the propellant gas to escape in the opposite direction of the fired round. Gas, not mass, as mass would be an extraordinarily bad idea (your enemies are generally in front of you, your friends behind, and your friends generally object to you hurling high speed projectiles at them every time you fire at the enemy).
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the gas exiting the RR is fairly lethal in it's own right. take a look at a manual for one sometime and check out the amazingly large area behind the weapon scorched by the exhaust when the wpn is fired.
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Mr Sean
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:32:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
The problem is your definition of a "horrible troll".
http://www.jfo.org.uk/info/new/troll.htm
You're a playtime troll, at best.
Go hang with the 4chan or /b/ crowd and i'm sure in a while you can become a truly annoying troll that everyone dislikes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
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Korrakas
Caldari
Legion of Ascension
Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:44:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Maxpie
The com whistled. ôCaptain to the bridge,ö UhuraÆs voice stated. Kirk climbed out of bed.
ôGet your clothes on and get to your post,ö he told the pretty ensign who lay there undressed. Rushing, he put his own clothes on and made his way to the bridge. Settling into his chair, he demanded, ôreport.ö
ôCaptain, there is a ship of unknown design on long-range sensors,ö Spock said. He added, ôall attempts to communicate have been returned only with a demand for 2950 interstellar kredits, whatever they may be.ö
ôWait, communication is coming through now,ö said Uhura.
ôOn screen.ö
The balding, angular face of Maxpie materialized on the screen. ôWhat can I do for you,ö he asked.
ôCaptain, the unknown ship is locking us,ö Mr. Sulu announced.
ôNot unknown, this is my Typhoon. I suggest you leave now,ö said Maxpie.
Alarmed Kirk shouted, ôGo to red alert.ö Immediately Checkov raised shields as warnings announced red alert through the ship. ôThis is Captain James T. Kirk of the Federation Starship Enterprise. We were investigating a wormhole for scientific study and have no intention of leaving this area of space until we are finished,ö he said sternly. Looking at Checkov he added, ôcharge phasers and load photon torpedos.ö
ôIÆm warning you for the last time to leave. HereÆs what you could call a warning shot,ö Maxpie countered. His crew always had all weapons systems at the ready. With a thought four cruise missiles launched towards the Enterprise.
Sulu calmly stated, ôCaptain, the unknown vessel has launched four missiles of some sort.ö
ôEvasive maneuvers,ö Kirk responded.
The Enterprise started to turn, but the missiles slammed into itÆs shields.
ôShields holding at 93%,ö reported Sulu.
ôOpen fire!,ö Kirk ordered. With that a full spread of photon torpedoes left the enterprise while phasers burned into the TyphoonÆs shields, dropping them to 90%. Then the photon torpedoes struck with a massive explosion. Maxpie felt it in his pod. Shields were ripped apart to 31%.
ôVery well,ö Maxpie thought as he closed the com channel, ôweÆll play rough.ö Activating his micro-warp drive, Maxpie began an orbit around the Enterprise. As he closed, his autocannons opened fire. As the emp ammo burned into the shields of the Enterprise, Maxpie activated his warp scrambler and stasis webifier.
ôCaptain, warp engines have gone offline,ö Scotty announced over the com system.
ôGet those engines back online Mr. Scott. Sulu, get us out of here. Emergency power. Fire another volley at the enemy ship.ö
Phasers and photon torpedoes again lashed out at the Typhoon, destroying the few shields that were still up. But Maxpie was not concerned. Shields were just a buffer for the heavily armored battleship. With armor hardeners and a high quality armor repair unit, it would take far more to destroy the Typhoon.
ôCaptain, propulsion is greatly diminished. Some sort of micro energy streams from the enemy ship are slowing us down,ö Sulu announced. Though his voice was calm, he begun to worry.
ôSpock, is there any way to counter it?ö asked Kirk.
ôNone captain, but I will try to find a solution.ö
much win is to be gained from this poast
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't have holidays.
I don't leave the forums unattended.
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:46:00 -
[152]
My spaceship computer game is unrealistic? *shock* *horror*
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:53:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Leon Caedo on 01/06/2009 17:53:11
No one is disputing my 'Eve makes physics cry' claim. This makes me sad panda 
(1.)
in real life:
F = ma
but in eve
F = mv ???(wtf)
Max velocity is determined by thrust divided by mass? This is wrong on so many levels.
Ok, if you have a set amount of thrust that you can output for an infinite amount of time, you WILL come to a 'max velocity'. However, based on the values of thrust used in game, this 'max velocity' will be anywhere from 70-90% the speed of light. The fastest ships in eve can break 5000m/s. 5000 m/s is 0.0017% the speed of light.
As you can see, the 'max velocity' that ships have is completely unrealistic. That being said, having ships go close to the speed of light while out of warp would change Eve into a single player game.
(2.)
Fuel. I'm just going to leave it at that.
(3.)
in real life
Stars don't twinkle if you are in space. The twinkle we see on earth is caused by pockets of less dense air in the atmosphere.
in eve
Stars twinkle in outer space because it looks neat.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.01 17:56:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
In case you fail to know this... Star Trek isn't real either.
~SB
Star Trek is based heavily on REAL science. They have many scientists who cross-check everything on the show to make sure it's all 100% realistic. Therefore it stands to reason that Star Trek can be taken as an authority on what a space-simulation game should be like.
Star Trek is fantasy, and any illusions they have to real science is just that, Illusion. They may very well loosely base their 'science' off reality in some areas, but the vast majority of their 'science' is pure fantasy. Phasers don't exist. Photon Torpedoes don't exist. Disrupters don't exist. Shields don't exist. Warp drives don't exist. Impulse engines don't exist. Matter/anti matter conversion engines don't exist. Transporters DO NOT EXIST. Yeoman Rand does not exist. Klingons do not exist (unless you forget to wipe). Romulans do not exist. Vulcans do not exist. Human/Vulcan cross breeds do not exist. Giant Space Stations you can walk around in and watch wormholes appear and disappear outside do not exist. Ferengi do not exist. Phaser Rifles do not exist. Hand phasers do not exist.
Get the point yet?
Your equating reality, fantasy and a sci-fi movie as if they were somehow interchangeable.
Please do climb into your shuttle and fly up to your ship and fly away. Or better yet, swallow the barrel of a loaded handgun and pull the trigger.
One of these things you can do, one of them you can't. Which do you think it is???
~SB
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:11:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based?
Yea, that still has me chuckling.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:15:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Leon Caedo
Edited by: Leon Caedo on 01/06/2009 17:57:39
(3.)
in real life
Stars don't twinkle if you are in space. The twinkle we see on earth is caused by pockets of less dense air in the atmosphere.
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:24:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek
no need to read beyond here really
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:29:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Mr Sean
You're a playtime troll, at best.
Go hang with the 4chan or /b/ crowd and i'm sure in a while you can become a truly annoying troll that everyone dislikes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Why would I want to hang out with those losers?
There is more to trolling and more ways to troll then to just make everyone hate you. If I wanted that I would still be posting Clear Skies fan-fiction.
Being annoying is easy, being entertaining takes talent and effort.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:34:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Originally by: Mr Sean
Being annoying is easy, being entertaining takes talent and effort.
Your Annoying. Maybe this is because you have no talent.
~SB
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:42:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Delphi Grendalus on 01/06/2009 18:43:03
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Quote:
Being annoying is easy, being entertaining takes talent and effort.
Your Annoying. Maybe this is because you have no talent.
~SB
I'd hate to think the number one world of warcraft fan has been posting in this thread and not enjoying himself.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:49:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Edited by: Delphi Grendalus on 01/06/2009 18:43:03
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Quote:
Being annoying is easy, being entertaining takes talent and effort.
Your Annoying. Maybe this is because you have no talent.
~SB
I'd hate to think the number one world of warcraft fan has been posting in this thread and not enjoying himself.
That would work as an insult, except for the small fact that I played WoW for exactly 1 week, hated it so much I left and never went back. I guess I heard the name Stormwind and it stuck in my mind, as I came up with the name combo Stormwind Bloodfeather for here based on my character being a Shaman of the Vherikoir (sp?) people. As I am of mixed Native American Descent, The name also shouldn't be too surprising.
TBH I have frequently considered Biomassing this character, because i'm tired of all the WOW ***s saying i'm a WoW *** because of it when I totally detest WoW.
~SB
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Syringe
Oedipus Complex
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:18:00 -
[162]
So when do I get my red matter?
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Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:49:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Styxia Acheron
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Recoilless rifle work by allowing a large percentage of the propellant gas to escape in the opposite direction of the fired round. Gas, not mass, as mass would be an extraordinarily bad idea (your enemies are generally in front of you, your friends behind, and your friends generally object to you hurling high speed projectiles at them every time you fire at the enemy).
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the gas exiting the RR is fairly lethal in it's own right. take a look at a manual for one sometime and check out the amazingly large area behind the weapon scorched by the exhaust when the wpn is fired.
This is why standing behind the Carl G is a very bad idea.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:52:00 -
[164]
Quote:
(1.)
in real life:
F = ma
but in eve
F = mv ???(wtf)
Possible EVE uses either virtual momentum or impulse drives which would explain their top speeds and almost non-existent fuel consumption. The numbers on show info would then be equivalent levels.
Quote:
(3.)
in real life
Stars don't twinkle if you are in space. The twinkle we see on earth is caused by pockets of less dense air in the atmosphere.
in eve
Stars twinkle in outer space because it looks neat.
Totally true, also EVE has about a billion nebula stuffed into it's mini pocket of the galaxy :)
As for Star Trek, its about the most correct in terms of what is thought possible from physics and obeying known physical laws, it fails on occasions (invert the polarity of the neutron flow!!!! - eh, neutrons don't have a charge so no polarity) but its about the best out of any show :) Firefly cheats by never giving us any idea how the tech works other than the fact they never seem to have to reload their revolvers ;)
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Vonlutt
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.02 02:43:00 -
[165]
Since some tard said that an 1800mm shell would only be 'a little smaller than a person'....
THIS:
Is an 800mm shell, more than double that.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:01:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Vonlutt
Since some tard said that an 1800mm shell would only be 'a little smaller than a person'....
THIS:
Is an 800mm shell, more than double that.
you've got it wrong mate, this is a 1400MM Howitzer shell!
~SB
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:06:00 -
[167]
I wonder what salvage you get from the Enterprise.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:25:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
I wonder what salvage you get from the Enterprise.
I think in this case... just scrap metal.
~SB
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.06.02 04:33:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Rhinanna
Possible EVE uses either virtual momentum or impulse drives which would explain their top speeds and almost non-existent fuel consumption. The numbers on show info would then be equivalent levels.
I'm not sure what virtual momentum is, so I'll have to read up on that. (yay for wikipedia )
But I don't see how it is possible to have a maximum velocity if you have a set amount of thrust and unlimited fuel supply. (again, assuming well under speed of light, which we are if we use the speeds in eve)
F/m = a ; even if you include the fact that m is slowly decreasing with time, there is no way a could ever be 0 if F is a set amount. (even when you run out of fuel, your ship still has mass)
The acceleration must be 0 for the velocity to be at a maximum, or minimum. (yay calc 1)
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:28:00 -
[170]
This thread is dumb, but I saw something I need to correct, pardon me if it has already been said.
Warp speeds in star trek and eve are measured in completely different ways, however eve is much faster by several orders of magnitude. Let me explain.
In star trek warp speeds are measured in warp numbers, much like mach. Warp has a direct correlation to the speed of light, and while simpler to understand, is still much slower than eve. In star trek a ship traveling at warp 4.2 is traveling 4.2*c, or 4.2*the speed of light. This is very fast, but pales in comparison to eve as you will see.
In eve, warp speed is measured in AU/s, which means astral units per second. For those of you that don't know, an astral unit is the distance between Sol (our sun) and earth. It takes light eight minutes to travel one AU. I believe you are already beginning to see how fast eve warp truly is. This means that the slowest warping ship in eve, traveling a meager 0.5 AU/s, is actually going 240*c, or 240 times the speed of light. When you start talking about ships moving at five or six AU/s you start getting into speeds that boggle the mind.
Anyway, I just thought I would clear that up.
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Sandwich PvP
The Maverick Navy
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:33:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Go back to school, you just failed your physics class.
Hint: Star trek is not real.....
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:40:00 -
[172]
Seriously?
let me try that all caps.
SERIOUSLY?
still doesn't convey the message. Hmmmm....
I know!!!!
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.06.02 06:17:00 -
[174]
Caldari fire missiles, Amarr fire lasers, Gallente fire chunks of matter at near light speed, and Minmatar fire VW Beatles. Nothing unrealistic there. 
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:41:00 -
[175]
I did not say that 1800 mm is smaller than a person.
Also I did not say anything about which direction Im measuring the size from. In diameter I would be right its about person size, length wise its really up to the manufactuer on how long they build the round.
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Diziet EmblassSma
Caldari
Caldari Freelancers Association
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Posted - 2009.06.02 10:14:00 -
[176]
\O/
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:41:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Nova Fox
I did not say that 1800 mm is smaller than a person.
Also I did not say anything about which direction Im measuring the size from. In diameter I would be right its about person size, length wise its really up to the manufactuer on how long they build the round.
If you know any people who are 1.4meters diameter then you know some really fat people!!!! :)
Are you american? ;)
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:05:00 -
[178]
I thought austrialia ranked in first with 26%, and per capita is some small island nation nobodys heard of.
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Count Mishkah
Pinnicle Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:27:00 -
[179]
Christ on a bike... This thread has provided me with much laughs....
even in the first few posts... the..."lolwut?" had me choking on my breakfast.
Gotta hand it to you all, You guys are what make Eve entertaining, on so many levels.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:30:00 -
[180]
I teleported here.
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Caldari
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:33:00 -
[181]
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
OP since when was star trek realistic its a game m8 lol @ camparing start trek and EvE ( sci fi films with sci fi game's )
yea my english sux so sue me as if i give a sh!t
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:38:00 -
[182]
This thread reminds me of Pandora's Star...
"If we can generate wormholes, why would we use spaceships?"
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Lucas Tigh
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:34:00 -
[183]
I know I'm late to the party, but 10 out of mother****ing 10.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:51:00 -
[184]
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Joo C
Cute Fluffy Bunnys
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:56:00 -
[185]
I totally agree with the original poster of this thread. This game is SO unrealistic. CCP need to change it so there is 1 space station, 1 ship every few years to orbit one planet for a bit and then maybe launch a few probes into other planets. But i would suggest leaving that last bit until the next content patch, we dont want to spoil everyone.
It is science FICTION there is no such thing as REALISTIC.
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SkeletonDenial
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:58:00 -
[186]
Heres some realisim fer ya
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:09:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez
Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
I agree.
As for teleporters,,,how do you think you transfer loot into your cargohold? Magic?
Real Minmatar use a stick, fishing line and duct tape...open the door and hang out the side and try to hit the loot with the duct tape while you're flying past it.
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CCP Abathur
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:16:00 -
[188]
*waits for Federation fleet to assemble*
*warps in*
*Doomsday*
*cigar*
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Lucas Tigh
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:17:00 -
[189]
Originally by: CCP Abathur
*waits for Federation fleet to assemble*
*warps in*
*Doomsday*
*cigar*
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:22:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
Originally by: Killer Gandry
I wonder what salvage you get from the Enterprise.
I think in this case... just scrap metal.
Right, I think it should be hauled away AS garbage!
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:43:00 -
[191]
Originally by: CCP Abathur
*waits for Federation fleet to assemble*
*warps in*
*Doomsday*
*cigar*
CCP confirms that Titans are overpowered.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:10:00 -
[192]
Originally by: theshadowduke
In star trek warp speeds are measured in warp numbers, much like mach. Warp has a direct correlation to the speed of light, and while simpler to understand, is still much slower than eve. In star trek a ship traveling at warp 4.2 is traveling 4.2*c, or 4.2*the speed of light.
this is completely incorrect even in the original series.
(hint cochrane factor)
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Nahjar Qu'in
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:17:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez
Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
This. And yes, it seems a troll was let in.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:49:00 -
[194]
For realistic'ish space combat, I'd recommend Starship Operators. In that anime, combat is more reminiscent of submarine combat than dogfights.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:38:00 -
[195]
Thats one thing that never made sense to me, why is it the captain has to make the order to get a deck breach repaired? He should be more worried about stopping more deck breaches from happening, let damage control engineering handel the repair orders.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:11:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
You get only +4 points for bringing back the ol' Eve isn't real troll.
However, -2 points for being obvious.
+1 for pulling the current Star Trek drama into it.
+1/2 for making me mona lisa smile.
-1/2 for not being funny
I rate this troll a 3/10.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:16:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Nova Fox
Also I would love to see most star treck ships able to fight, while jammed BECAUSE OF FALCON!
you win this thread.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:51:00 -
[198]
so obviously we need to nerf projectiles!
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ddr800
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Posted - 2009.06.02 22:30:00 -
[199]
To the Original Poster:
Really?
I am sure you have heard this before in many other online gamesà.
STFU NEWB!!
It amazes me the people here we so nice to this necro troll. If you donÆt like it move on and play something else thousands of other online games please take your whiny newb bunghole elsewhere.
Btw nothing personal you just seem more suited to wow or eq =)
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 23:14:00 -
[200]
MaxPie plotted a course away from the wormhole to a nearby belt and began sending out probes to scan down plexs in the system, somewhat perplexed by the strange ship he had encountered. He ran the plex, half asleep and began to send out his probes for another to run, dissatisfied as the lack of loot.
On the bridge of the USS Defiant the atmosfere was slightly tense. "Are you use thats the ship that destroyed the Enterprise Major?" asked Sisko, "Aye Sir, responded Major Kira at the sensor panel, "The subspace disruption leads right to this point and the ship type matches what was reported by the Enterprise 50 years ago in it's final transmission. Its likely that the chronotom deviation in the wormhole means we have travelled through time as well as space".
"Very well Major, bring us to within 50K meters of the enemy ship and drop the cloak and try hailing them" responded Sisko.
"Sir, I strongly advise that we raise shields and power weapons. This ship is of unknown capabilities and has already destroyed one federation vessel" advised Lt. Commander Warf gruffly from the tactical console.
"Very well Mr. Warf" replied Sisko.
A red dot appeared on MaxPie's scanners, only cruiser sized he wasn't too worried about a single cloaked ship although he immediately began locking their ship and launched his drones.
"Sir, the ship is attempting to lock us, although it appears they are having trouble establishing a lock, they have launched some type of large, self-propelled weapons which are heading at us, ETA to impact 20 seconds" Mr. Warf announced.
"All Hands brace for Impact" announced Sisko "Mr. Warf, fire at will, target their engines and weapon systems"
"Aye sir"
The Defiant's pulse phasers ripped through space, smashing through the Typhoon's weak shielding and ripping a chunk from it's armour. The quantum torpedoes that followed ripped larger holes in although caused no structural damage.
"****" screamed MaxPie as the first wave hit, still waiting for his target lock to be achieved. Activating his armour repairer he began to load his FoF missiles into his launchers in hopes of been able to fire before his targeting systems achieved a lock, wondering how the hell the enemy ship has locked him so quickly after emerging from cloak. Been no dummy and already aligned to the nearest star-gate MaxPie decided decided that disgression was the better part of valour and hit his warp drive before the enemy ship could scram him and prevent his escape.
"Sir, The enemy ship has gone to warp, although they only seem capable of Warp 3" replied Lt. Dax from the science console.
"Plot an intercept course major, Mr. Warf, use the Quantum torpedoes to disable their engines and bring them back into normal space"
There was an incredulous look on MaxPie's face as his scanners showed the ship appear behind him at warp doing an incredible speed, then more so as it appeared to manunver at warp speed to attain the perfect firing position. Unable to cancel the warp or use defensive modules at this speed he could only sit there as Quantum torpedo after Quantum torpedo slammed into his freshly repair armour, far outstripping his tank's capabilities. "Abandon ship" he ordered the crew, as the hull started to disintegrate under the barrage.
"Sir" said Mr. Warf "The enemy ship has been destroyed, attempts to target engines failed for unknown reasons, they have launched sub-light lifepods, although on pod seems to have warp capabilities and is attempting to escape"
"Lock tractor beam Mr. Warf and bring it into the cargo bay, then set a course back to the wormhole at maximum warp"
"Aye sir"
Caught and unable to obtain the speed needed for warp MaxPie watch impotently as his pod was sucked into the strange ship, wondering what fate would befall him and what the hell had happened to him today. Even more so when he was teleported out of his pod to a security cell, staring straight into Mr. Warf's growling face! :)
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Posted - 2009.06.03 00:50:00 -
[201]
Edited by: darkrei9n on 03/06/2009 00:51:00
Since everyones doing it.
Dark jumps into the system intent on doing jobs for his agents, seeing the wreck of a typhoon and a strange new ship in the apparently has to be lowsec system because CONCORD hasn't stopped this he orbits the ship at optimal and locks it, he opens a comm channel with the ship. "200m or be destroyed"
The USS Defiant Responded, "Stand down or we will retaliate." Aboard the ship the captain had the comm channel closed. "Mr. Warf return to bridge immediately, I want all weapons online and shields ready, move to red alert status." The view screen showed the scrapheap of a ship orbiting them, the guns on it tracked the USS Defiant easily.
Dark sent them a final message, "You have five seconds to send the isk before I fire." Aboard his Rupture Dark launched his drone, medium drones, Hammerhead Is. The hammerheads moved to orbit the USS Defiant.
Aboard the USS Defiant the captain stood, "You have five seconds to send the before I fire." A direct threat to his ship, not on his watch. "Mr. Warf open fire."
Dark watched the phasers streak across space to hit his ship, they did a small number to his shields. "Your choice, I'll make sure to pick your body for my hangar back in Wuos." Dark opened fire with his 220mm "Scout" autocannons and "Arbalest" heavy missile launchers. The rounds hit the ship and devastated it.
The USS Defiant had suffered major damage. The autocannon shells had hit first, tearing through shields and the missiles had hit weapons. Crew loss was over 30% from the power of the missiles. The captain tried to raise a comm channel to the scrapheap in front of him to surrender. The last thing he saw was a drone firing its gun at the view screen.
Maxpie was sitting in a cargo container, somehow, magically, he had come to be in a cargo container. He waited there sitting until he felt something pull it into its cargo bay. The side of the cargo container opened to reveal two crewmen of the Rupture with guns pointed at him. They led him to a secondary pod aboard the ship and launched him out of the Rupture.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:24:00 -
[202]
Errrr... First two stories where reflective of the EvE and ST universes, yours was 'Well I want to make my ship pwn the defiant so it died by my magic button'
At least put some effort in or don't bother
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darkrei9n
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:27:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Rhinanna
Errrr... First two stories where reflective of the EvE and ST universes, yours was 'Well I want to make my ship pwn the defiant so it died by my magic button'
At least put some effort in or don't bother
Yeah I know, I like to call it science fiction. And if you can make the defiant own the ship that killed Captain Kirk die... Yeah, some captain I've never heard of is definitely going to do better than Spock and Captain Kirk...
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:33:00 -
[204]
Sisko, the main character in DS9, renown for his tactical and strategical knowledge and instincts in a FAR better tactical situation with a far superior ship.
Ok, the continuation of the story then:
Then darkrei9n woke up from his fantasy having came in his sleep all over himself. He then crawled back up from the deck of his prison chamber and tried to hide as 'Mr. Bubba' came to pay him another late night visit. He knew he wouldn't be sitting down for a while again........
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darkrei9n
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:40:00 -
[205]
Here's a continuation of that continuation.
Dark takes his clothes off and uses it to hang himself. Since hes a pod pilot he wakes up where his old clone is.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:41:00 -
[206]
Unless you where in your Pod that wouldn't happen.
L2read backstory
Thanks!
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darkrei9n
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:44:00 -
[207]
Good point.
Dark hangs himself in general.
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Betty Vector
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Posted - 2009.06.03 01:46:00 -
[208]
I've often wondered the same thing Delphi (OP) but I always come up with the same conclusion.....
EVE is not Star Trek.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:42:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
For realistic'ish space combat, I'd recommend Starship Operators. In that anime, combat is more reminiscent of submarine combat than dogfights.
traveller 2300 had a quite reasonable starship combat system for an rpg. you spent a lot of time sneaking about very carefully trying to find the other guy and then trying to get a shot at him before he could shoot back. small ship fights tended to end in one salvo.
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Bronnwynn
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:50:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Ferdio Ricotez
Actually, I consider EVE to be quite realistic. More realistic than Star Trek.
EvE is more realistic than Star Trek.
EvE is NOT even CLOSE to realistic.
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Saai Einjhar
Black Ice Tactical Echelon
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Posted - 2009.06.03 05:26:00 -
[211]
Originally by: darkrei9n
... stuff...
Dark sent them a final message, "You have five seconds to send the isk before I fire." Aboard his Rupture Dark launched his drone, medium drones, Hammerhead Is. The hammerheads moved to orbit the USS Defiant.
All federation ships have replicator technology. Just send over the specs of this 'ISK' you seek and they would likely create as much of it as you desired in exchange for some holoreels on eve culture and society lol.
Quote:
A Replicator works by rearranging subatomic particles, which are abundant everywhere in the universe, to form molecules and arrange those molecules to form the object. For example, to create a pork chop, the replicator would first form atoms of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc., then arrange them into amino acids, proteins, and cells, and put it all together into the form of a pork chop.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:22:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Saai Einjhar
Originally by: darkrei9n
... stuff...
Dark sent them a final message, "You have five seconds to send the isk before I fire." Aboard his Rupture Dark launched his drone, medium drones, Hammerhead Is. The hammerheads moved to orbit the USS Defiant.
All federation ships have replicator technology. Just send over the specs of this 'ISK' you seek and they would likely create as much of it as you desired in exchange for some holoreels on eve culture and society lol.
Quote:
A Replicator works by rearranging subatomic particles, which are abundant everywhere in the universe, to form molecules and arrange those molecules to form the object. For example, to create a pork chop, the replicator would first form atoms of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc., then arrange them into amino acids, proteins, and cells, and put it all together into the form of a pork chop.
Stealth "Give me your isk i'll double it" post detected.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.03 07:10:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic. In Star Trek Phasers and Photon Torpedoes are the most powerful weapons yet in EVE primative projectile weapons are by far the best weapon. This sillyness is an absolutely mockery of physics.
Another example would be teleporters. They are all the rage in Star Trak and already we are seeing them in real life, yet they don't exist in EVE despite it supposedly being science based? What's next, they remove petrol from the game and make all the star-ships use steam power? LOLOL
Come on CCP, lets bring back some REALISM to this Space-SIMULATION game!
Realism in a space game, get real......
If EVE so offends your sensibilities, quit.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:23:00 -
[214]
I bet you the entire amarr navy would win against the federation.
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Wacoede
Amarr
Allied Combat Team
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:38:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Wacoede on 03/06/2009 09:38:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos <<< seams appropriate to this thread (no its not a rickroll watch, listen, learn the lyrics.
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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
when someone sez "eve is too tuff"
standard reply is "can i have stuff?"
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:42:00 -
[216]
We Didn't
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Lord Road
Caldari
Relative Quantum Limited
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Road on 03/06/2009 11:24:28
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Soeniss Delazur
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:49:00 -
[218]
The Force is strong in this thread.
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
TBH I have frequently considered Biomassing this character, because i'm tired of all the WOW folks saying i'm a WoW guy because of it when I totally detest WoW.
Comfort yourself with the fact that if people instantly give you crap about WoW from your name, they must be even more familiar with it than you are
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.04 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Realism in a space game, get real......
If EVE so offends your sensibilities, quit.
So my options are either like it or lump it? My subscription and 6 accounts earns me no say in how this game is?
That is not the way the Federation works.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.04 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
TBH I have frequently considered Biomassing this character, because i'm tired of all the WOW folks saying i'm a WoW guy because of it when I totally detest WoW.
Comfort yourself with the fact that if people instantly give you crap about WoW from your name, they must be even more familiar with it than you are
ROFL You know. I never actually thought of it that way. .
~SB
No I am not a WoW player. I'm of mixed Native American descent So STFU about my name already. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.04 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Realism in a space game, get real......
If EVE so offends your sensibilities, quit.
That is not the way the Federation works.
You make me feel dirty.
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JonnyKay
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.04 01:32:00 -
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This has to be one of the most successful troll threads spawned by the worst trolling ever
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Oberst McClain
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Posted - 2009.06.04 08:54:00 -
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To give my view.
EVE is more like the Homanx Commonwealth. (SF-univers createt by Alan Dean Foster)
They use a something called KK-Drive.
It is a Gravtion Genartor that pulls the ship thrue space, it project a graviton sorce in front of the ship the ship is connectet whit the KK-Drive. The ship moved toward the graviton sorce, and the sorce projecte by the KK-Drive move the same, and so one.
Is a ship on the point of changeover, the change from sublightspeed to overlightspeed, it can't be interceptet.
The System has some problems like,
A KK-Drive Ship has to mantain an orbit about 5 plantarydiameter as savedistance, if it come closer it ripps the planet appart.
EvE and Star Trek have only in commen that there are starships
Nice to where EvE VS Perry Rohdan
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.04 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Realism in a space game, get real......
If EVE so offends your sensibilities, quit.
So my options are either like it or lump it? My subscription and 6 accounts earns me no say in how this game is?
That is not the way the Federation works.
Misguided call for democracy in EVE: 1/10 (EVE is where the biggest guns speak the loudest)
Equating number of accounts to some form of 'ownership' of EVE: 0/10 (read the EULA, hell read ANY EULA of ANY peice of software, you don't own it, CCP owns EVE, you only pay for the right to access it)
Star Trek reference: 1/10
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.04 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic.
How is it possible that a Science Fiction game is unrealistic??!
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic.
How is it possible that a Science Fiction game is unrealistic??!
EVE is a SPACE-SIMULATION game and is supposed to be built on hard science yet it is nothing like Star Trek.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:43:00 -
[228]
Guys learn to ignore the troll. We've already hi-jacked his thread with a fairly intresting star-trek vs EvE discussion.
Don't let him take it back! :)
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Darwin Duck
Ihatalo Navy
Ihatalo Cartel Navy
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Posted - 2009.06.04 13:04:00 -
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Hehe Star Trek is all. "What if we connect the flux capacitor into an inverted phase modulator and recalculate the magnetic polarisation of the power converter to power the backup shield power coil gizmo thingy".
Mr Spock, that just might work!
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2009.06.04 18:01:00 -
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too bad those scientists consulting the star trek writers don't use their knowledge to build hyperdrive spaceships since they obviously know how they work
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Horatio Nately
Caldari
808 Enterprises
Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.06.04 18:16:00 -
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obvious troll is obvious
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ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:00:00 -
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1. Obvious troll...
2. Star Trek: This is a warp drive. It runs on fairy poo and "because-I-say-so" dust.
EVE: This is a warp drive. There is a science article that details how it works.
3. In star trek, photon torpedoes (that explode with light?) are the most powerful weapons, despite the fact that if you had "replicators", apparently capable of manipulating matter at subatomic levels, and other crazy s***, you should be able to make up a few dozen grams of antimatter to hurl at your foes, (or "beam" it at them) and to quote wikipedia:
"The reaction of 1 kg of antimatter with 1 kg of matter would produce 1.8+1017 J (180 petajoules) of energy or the rough equivalent of 47 megatons of TNT. For comparison, Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, reacted an estimated yield of 50 Megatons"
4. I think number 3 made no sense, so i'll just shut up now.
5. ...is obvious.
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The Blatantly Obvious |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:46:00 -
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I want a time machine. Can I have a time machine? I want to fly through a prehistoric EVE and I also want to fly into the future of EVE. I guess that would be really cool.
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowDraqon
3. In star trek, photon torpedoes (that explode with light?) are the most powerful weapons, despite the fact that if you had "replicators", apparently capable of manipulating matter at subatomic levels, and other crazy s***, you should be able to make up a few dozen grams of antimatter to hurl at your foes, (or "beam" it at them) and to quote wikipedia:
"The reaction of 1 kg of antimatter with 1 kg of matter would produce 1.8+1017 J (180 petajoules) of energy or the rough equivalent of 47 megatons of TNT. For comparison, Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, reacted an estimated yield of 50 Megatons"
4. I think number 3 made no sense, so i'll just shut up now.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Shows what you know.
Hi Delphi,
speaking of, do you know if this is the right thread?
I have an idea about time travel in EVE and I think it is a really cool idea. Could you include this into your first comment?
Regards,
Whitehound |
Diziet EmblassSma
Caldari Freelancers Association
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Posted - 2009.06.04 21:35:00 -
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My choice of anthropomorphic representative of a suitably unrealistic, unprovable, and faintly narcissistic belief system! Is this thread still going?
(PS I did google for spelling).
\o/ Yatta!
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.04 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowDraqon
1. Obvious troll...
2. Star Trek: This is a warp drive. It runs on fairy poo and "because-I-say-so" dust.
EVE: This is a warp drive. There is a science article that details how it works.
3. In star trek, photon torpedoes (that explode with light?) are the most powerful weapons, despite the fact that if you had "replicators", apparently capable of manipulating matter at subatomic levels, and other crazy s***, you should be able to make up a few dozen grams of antimatter to hurl at your foes, (or "beam" it at them) and to quote wikipedia:
"The reaction of 1 kg of antimatter with 1 kg of matter would produce 1.8+1017 J (180 petajoules) of energy or the rough equivalent of 47 megatons of TNT. For comparison, Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, reacted an estimated yield of 50 Megatons"
4. I think number 3 made no sense, so i'll just shut up now.
5. ...is obvious.
1. Yeah I said that
2. Actually the warp drive in star trek is based on firm scientific principles, same as the EVE ones. Just because you are too lazy to search for the info doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
3. Replicators are VERY limited in what they can produce. Anti-matter is a definite no no. A large number of other materials or any large energy source also can't be produced such as phaser rifles e.t.c. The larger industrial replicators can do more but still can't produce anti-matter. Also photon torpedos use anti-matter to create the blast of photons (not just light, photons cover the entire EM spectrum)
4. Please do! Or do some research before making yourself look dumb! :)
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Nevenda'ar
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Posted - 2009.06.04 23:13:00 -
[238]
Please stop posting in this awful thread, just stop
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Chawibba
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Posted - 2009.06.05 01:21:00 -
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I think the capital E on the end of game makes the thread :P
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Diziet EmblassSma
Caldari Freelancers Association
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:21:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Chawibba
I think the capital E on the end of game makes the thread :P
Agreed.
\o/ Yatta! |
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Delphi Grendalus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.05 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Diziet EmblassSma
Originally by: Chawibba
I think the capital E on the end of game makes the thread :P
Agreed.
\o/ Yatta!
Thanks
Personally I still laugh when I see the U instead of a V.
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.06.05 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
EVE as it stands is completely unrealistic.
How is it possible that a Science Fiction game is unrealistic??!
EVE is a SPACE-SIMULATION game and is supposed to be built on hard science yet it is nothing like Star Trek.
This thread, is the best thread.
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