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Zortono
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Zortono on 18/07/2009 18:18:16 I have received several warnings from GMs that I will be banned if I keep repping a neutral POS.
In response I have sent in a couple petitions and two GMs(Orfeus and Kaliastra) have confirmed that this is a exploit.
When did this happen? This has been a valid game mechanic for a long time.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:21:00 -
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I am going to make the assumption that if you rep a pos you wont be flagged toward its WTs, making it kinda obvious why it isnt allowed. (And no idea when, who cares).
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moneyman11
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:22:00 -
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I had this same problem recently. I volunteered to help a mate rep his pos but was told its a exploit. I then asked a gm and it was confirmed wtf?
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Zortono
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zortono on 18/07/2009 18:22:51
Originally by: Furb Killer I am going to make the assumption that if you rep a pos you wont be flagged toward its WTs, making it kinda obvious why it isnt allowed. (And no idea when, who cares).
Incorrect
If you are repping a neutral POS you WILL be flagged towards the hostiles of the POS you are repping.
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Matt Simon
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:26:00 -
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Crappiest game mechanic ever
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Laurenya
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:41:00 -
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Is this policy applied to repping neutral ships?
It seems a rather hard policy to enforce, in any case.
Especially as it doesn't seem well documented. |
rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zortono Edited by: Zortono on 18/07/2009 18:22:51
Originally by: Furb Killer I am going to make the assumption that if you rep a pos you wont be flagged toward its WTs, making it kinda obvious why it isnt allowed. (And no idea when, who cares).
Incorrect
If you are repping a neutral POS you WILL be flagged towards the hostiles of the POS you are repping.
then why is it not allowed? |
Zortono
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Zortono
Incorrect
If you are repping a neutral POS you WILL be flagged towards the hostiles of the POS you are repping.
then why is it not allowed?
Good question. When we found neutrals repping a hostile POS in hi-sec we snuck in and killed him since he was flagged as soon as the reps were activated.
Then we try to rep a neutral POS and get threatened with the Ban Hammer!
CCP Please explain this why this is an exploit.
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Mystical Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Matt Simon Crappiest game mechanic ever
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Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:47:00 -
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IBTL
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
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rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:49:00 -
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I'd like my ****ing question answered tbh. I know of many cases where such repping has occurred and ive never heard of this tbh |
Laurenya
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987 I'd like my ****ing question answered tbh. I know of many cases where such repping has occurred and ive never heard of this tbh
Yes, this is a fairly common practice. Are we going to see waves of bans sweeping through the ranks? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:52:00 -
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At the risk of sounding negative on our otherwise positive forum, some of the GMs in the game have a reputation of being worthless sacks of excrement. Without a senior GMs confirmation I have a little trouble believing it is an exploit.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zortono Edited by: Zortono on 18/07/2009 18:22:51
Originally by: Furb Killer I am going to make the assumption that if you rep a pos you wont be flagged toward its WTs, making it kinda obvious why it isnt allowed. (And no idea when, who cares).
Incorrect
If you are repping a neutral POS you WILL be flagged towards the hostiles of the POS you are repping.
Then it indeed doesnt make any sense.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr SMS Fleet Services
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:56:00 -
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The Ban stick is an intended game mechanic.
Unlike over 9000 other mechanics that the ban stick mechanic is there to regulate.
Example of the banstick game code.
If Ingame mechanics we dont like [ Then ] [ Banstick ] [ ElseIf Game mechanics we do like [ Then ] [ Logs show nothing ] ] End If
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Epegi Givo
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:58:00 -
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then in this case i demand that neutral RReppers on ships also get banned. ------------------------------------- My other alt is a Ferrari
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5pinDizzy
Amarr SMS Fleet Services
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 18/07/2009 19:04:45
Originally by: Epegi Givo then in this case i demand that neutral RReppers on ships also get banned.
Agreed.
Including neutral remote repping station hugging carriers anywhere in the universe.
However I think it's the case of CCP only bullying people who use the POS repping exploit only, because there's too many people who use the neutral remote repping ships on other ships in wardecs to threaten to ban them all.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo then in this case i demand that neutral RReppers on ships also get banned.
…not that I think anyone would mind that. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Valverine
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:00:00 -
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Umm my whole corps business plan is based on this game mechanic.
Corps with hi-sec research POSes that are being bullied by merc corps pay us to rep there POS. We have been doing this for years. WTF?@?!?!?! WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE BANNED NOW?
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Armoured C
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Matt Simon Crappiest game mechanic ever
i know
who evented pos's
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Valverine Umm my whole corps business plan is based on this game mechanic.
Corps with hi-sec research POSes that are being bullied by merc corps pay us to rep there POS. We have been doing this for years. WTF?@?!?!?! WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE BANNED NOW?
while I have nothing against the model of rescuing POS from imminent destruction, repping neutral POS without getting flagged is bleh, as is repping neutrals and not getting flagged.
the problem here however is why it is a bannable offence if you get flagged? |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:27:00 -
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I just undocked and got 5, FIVE, separate warnings from GMs for doing so. Apparantly undocking is now a exploit and you have to stay docked at all times.
How am I now supposed to mine, CCP? -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 18/07/2009 19:30:15 Playing Eve is an exploit and making isk is bannable, just STFU and pay CCP money. well mannered a**h***
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:33:00 -
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Sounds like a half assed misunderstood rulem CCP please clarify why this rule exists or retrain your GM's if its wrong :)
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Mioelnir
Minmatar Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:56:00 -
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That is the exploit announcement to the topic at hand:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1
I destinctly remember that this was issued back then because the war-flag wasn't inherited by the repping neutrals. If that has indeed changed, as several posts in this thread suggest, I'd say we maybe need a policy change again.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:05:00 -
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It was only an exploit back in the day when RRing the POS didn't flag the reppers to the WTs. As soon as the flagging system was FIXED to allow WTs to kill the neutrals that RRed the POS, that ceased being an exploit and became "working as intended".
The GMs in question are in a desperate need of EVE mechanics remedial classes. Like just about a lot of other EVE GMs lately, sadly. That reminds me of the "bubbles should disable MWDs" GM, rofl.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:20:00 -
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And me of the "login traps are a legitimate tactic" GM. -SIG- The true meaning of CCP; Completely Crap Patches. But I don't care, I haz CHOCOLATE. :D |
el Sabor
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:36:00 -
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Was helping some friends rep a POS to get it out of reinforced to save some time. Like a lot of PvP pilots I have the mailbox flash turned off, checked mail to find a few threats for the GMs. This is news to me, surely if you're flagged now it's just fair game?
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:39:00 -
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We really need to get a blue in here but its not easy to summon them >.<
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Sir Muffoon
Carried Hate
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous We really need to get a blue in here but its not easy to summon them >.<
That's because they don't like committing themselves to serious things. |
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Muffoon
Originally by: Cypherous We really need to get a blue in here but its not easy to summon them >.<
That's because they don't like committing themselves to serious things.
Maybe i need to use special words to summon them
Boobies
Beer
No luck :(
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Rivqua
Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It was only an exploit back in the day when RRing the POS didn't flag the reppers to the WTs. As soon as the flagging system was FIXED to allow WTs to kill the neutrals that RRed the POS, that ceased being an exploit and became "working as intended".
The GMs in question are in a desperate need of EVE mechanics remedial classes. Like just about a lot of other EVE GMs lately, sadly. That reminds me of the "bubbles should disable MWDs" GM, rofl.
It's a fact that this bug is not fixed 100%. If I am at war with a PoS, BUT, not currently engaged with it (ie, no yellow timer, and some neutral reps the pos, he will NOT be a valid target to me, even if I am at war with the PoS. It can be rectified by me shooting the pos, at which time the neutral repairer will start to go blinky.
It's a bug. As long as the bug exists, CCP has decided that exploiting the mechanics is a bannable offence. _________________ - Rivqua - --- R.E.P.O. --- |
Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rivqua
Originally by: Akita T
It was only an exploit back in the day when RRing the POS didn't flag the reppers to the WTs. As soon as the flagging system was FIXED to allow WTs to kill the neutrals that RRed the POS, that ceased being an exploit and became "working as intended".
The GMs in question are in a desperate need of EVE mechanics remedial classes. Like just about a lot of other EVE GMs lately, sadly. That reminds me of the "bubbles should disable MWDs" GM, rofl.
It's a fact that this bug is not fixed 100%. If I am at war with a PoS, BUT, not currently engaged with it (ie, no yellow timer, and some neutral reps the pos, he will NOT be a valid target to me, even if I am at war with the PoS. It can be rectified by me shooting the pos, at which time the neutral repairer will start to go blinky.
It's a bug. As long as the bug exists, CCP has decided that exploiting the mechanics is a bannable offence.
That will be because POS are classed as an NPC entity and use the same mechanics i.e they don't pod either, seeing as you can shoot them if you engage the POS its hardly an issue, this needs to be removed tbh.
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Jovoich
Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:00:00 -
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Thats bull****. But its probs just GMs not knowing what there talking about.
The best one I had was a GM going emo at me saying I wasn't allowed to POD war targets in empire.
/me loves GM Applebabe.
I call 'Bull****' CCP. Isn't it great that the alchemy process was introduced & can 'take up the slack?' |
rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich Thats bull****. But its probs just GMs not knowing what there talking about.
The best one I had was a GM going emo at me saying I wasn't allowed to POD war targets in empire.
/me loves GM Applebabe.
You must of podded Applebabe. Shame on you. |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:26:00 -
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So there was some bug, a few years ago, and it is not completely fixed yet, meanwhile we have to remember that we can't rep a neutral pos.
How many of these exploit thingy's are there we have to remember? Is there a list of them somewhere?
And should this bug not get fixed after 2 years?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zortono Edited by: Zortono on 18/07/2009 18:18:16 I have received several warnings from GMs that I will be banned if I keep repping a neutral POS.
In response I have sent in a couple petitions and two GMs(Orfeus and Kaliastra) have confirmed that this is a exploit.
When did this happen? This has been a valid game mechanic for a long time.
Escalate it to Senior GM.
A neutral repping a pos of a war target will become flagged and the war target will be able to legally kill those repping people.
Why this is supposed to be an exploit is beyond my understanding. I can only assume some mistake here, therefore escalate the petition until you get a detailed explanation.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.18 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich Thats bull****. But its probs just GMs not knowing what there talking about.
The best one I had was a GM going emo at me saying I wasn't allowed to POD war targets in empire.
/me loves GM Applebabe.
It all makes sense now! --
Originally by: Jasper Dark
I agree! Lets go back into caves and lick rocks!
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 00:03:00 -
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that sounds like a sitel gm to me
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Zortono
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Escalate it to Senior GM.
A neutral repping a pos of a war target will become flagged and the war target will be able to legally kill those repping people.
Why this is supposed to be an exploit is beyond my understanding. I can only assume some mistake here, therefore escalate the petition until you get a detailed explanation.
After reading your reply I politely asked the GM to escalate this issue to a senior GM, he replied reassuring me that this was 'indeed an exploit' and denied the request.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.19 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zortono Edited by: Zortono on 18/07/2009 18:18:16 I have received several warnings from GMs that I will be banned if I keep repping a neutral POS.
In response I have sent in a couple petitions and two GMs(Orfeus and Kaliastra) have confirmed that this is a exploit.
When did this happen? This has been a valid game mechanic for a long time.
They can't correctly program their own ****ing game, what're ya gonna do. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Ex Mudder
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.19 02:21:00 -
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Does this only apply in Hi Sec?
And does neutral mean "standings set to zero" or "not in the same alliance" ?
I'm trying to remember how many allied (Goon / Rzr / whatever) POSs we NC NAPsters have helped rep over the years. Does this mean it is illegal to rep a nullsec POS belonging to another alliance if that alliance has been wardecced by the Privateers?
Weird
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Volitaire
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Posted - 2009.07.19 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zortono
Originally by: Gnulpie
Escalate it to Senior GM.
A neutral repping a pos of a war target will become flagged and the war target will be able to legally kill those repping people.
Why this is supposed to be an exploit is beyond my understanding. I can only assume some mistake here, therefore escalate the petition until you get a detailed explanation.
After reading your reply I politely asked the GM to escalate this issue to a senior GM, he replied reassuring me that this was 'indeed an exploit' and denied the request.
Fly to England and ask CCP
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.19 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zortono
Originally by: Gnulpie
Escalate it to Senior GM.
A neutral repping a pos of a war target will become flagged and the war target will be able to legally kill those repping people.
Why this is supposed to be an exploit is beyond my understanding. I can only assume some mistake here, therefore escalate the petition until you get a detailed explanation.
After reading your reply I politely asked the GM to escalate this issue to a senior GM, he replied reassuring me that this was 'indeed an exploit' and denied the request.
change your request to a demand. ♥
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.07.19 04:03:00 -
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It's still allowed however to use NPC alts to steal POS modules while they're being un-/anchored during war.
Delenda est achura. |
Morux
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Posted - 2009.07.19 04:06:00 -
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Umm... yeah - this needs some clarification. CCP, care to comment on this and explain exactly what is and is not allowed under which circumstances? I don't mind avoiding exploits as long as I know exactly what the exploit is... at least till the bug is fixed. It is going to be fixed... right?? |
IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.07.19 06:09:00 -
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Quote: Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.
Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.
URL: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
Ok by what that says this rule ONLY applies when a starbase is owned by a corp/alliance that has an active wardec, or is that also open to be varied?
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
Woodwraith
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.19 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Ok by what that says this rule ONLY applies when a starbase is owned by a corp/alliance that has an active wardec, or is that also open to be varied?
Probably not, if the tower is anywhere they can shoot it without a wardec, you can shoot the guy repping it regardless. Your only dealing with low/no sec when you stop considering the wardecs, you might take a crim flag, but whatev, itll just be tossed out as 'working as intended'.
CCP should really consider an internal, searchable knowledge base of exploits and basic stuff, theres way too much he said she said dealing with what is and isnt kosher in game and GM's giving different rulings on the same issue.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.07.19 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Epegi Givo then in this case i demand that neutral RReppers on ships also get banned.
This please.
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Drykor
Minmatar Reform-Revolt
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Posted - 2009.07.19 09:07:00 -
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Wow this is really poor. Fix your game or make it legal. Can't ban people for using normal game mechanics.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Woodwraith
CCP should really consider an internal, searchable knowledge base of exploits and basic stuff, theres way too much he said she said dealing with what is and isnt kosher in game and GM's giving different rulings on the same issue.
Step 1: CCP put up a searchable knowledge base of exploits
Step 2: 70% of EVE players start using them every time there is no unfriendly looking. And 30% will try to use them even if there is someone looking, hoping to pass unnoticed or that the GM are too busy with the other thousand of petitions to do something in time.
Big NO to this.
(statistics are completely random numbers, but I think not too far from reality)
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.19 09:14:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Woodwraith
CCP should really consider an internal, searchable knowledge base of exploits and basic stuff, theres way too much he said she said dealing with what is and isnt kosher in game and GM's giving different rulings on the same issue.
Step 1: CCP put up a searchable knowledge base of exploits
Step 2: 70% of EVE players start using them every time there is no unfriendly looking. And 30% will try to use them even if there is someone looking, hoping to pass unnoticed or that the GM are too busy with the other thousand of petitions to do something in time.
Big NO to this.
(statistics are completely random numbers, but I think not too far from reality)
He wrote *internal* for CCP only thus.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.07.19 09:29:00 -
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If flagged, then it should not be an exploit. Are we going to see attacking ships without a war dec labeled an exploit soon?
As for station hugging, that is a game mechanic that has been causing problems for a while, but simply labeling things as exploits tends to make the game unplayable.
Maybe CCP should go through their list of exploits, and delete them one by one by fixing the game mechanics.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.19 09:46:00 -
[54]
hey hey
i take it that this "exploit" is only considered an "exploit" if the pos being repaired is in high sec ?
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 10:20:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Woodwraith
CCP should really consider an internal, searchable knowledge base of exploits and basic stuff, theres way too much he said she said dealing with what is and isnt kosher in game and GM's giving different rulings on the same issue.
Step 1: CCP put up a searchable knowledge base of exploits
Step 2: 70% of EVE players start using them every time there is no unfriendly looking. And 30% will try to use them even if there is someone looking, hoping to pass unnoticed or that the GM are too busy with the other thousand of petitions to do something in time.
Big NO to this.
(statistics are completely random numbers, but I think not too far from reality)
He wrote *internal* for CCP only thus.
Right, sorry with Woodwraith for misreading.
I have seen to many time the suggestion to put a exploit list accessible to the players and replied without reading his post accurately.
My apologies.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shidhe
Maybe CCP should go through their list of exploits, and delete them one by one by fixing the game mechanics.
Read this blog about fixing a 2004 bug bug at the gates.
Maybe you will see that it is not so easy.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari Frontier Voyagers Crimson Dragons
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Posted - 2009.07.19 11:11:00 -
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Dumb question:
How would I know a neutral's corp is at war or not? They could TELL me they're not at war and I wouldn't know the difference.
Enter ban hammer, unless there is a way to check if a corp is at war with another.
Please no flames; I am not aware of such a function and would like to learn
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hendo001
Caldari White Star Ltd
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mioelnir That is the exploit announcement to the topic at hand:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1
I destinctly remember that this was issued back then because the war-flag wasn't inherited by the repping neutrals. If that has indeed changed, as several posts in this thread suggest, I'd say we maybe need a policy change again.
wow dude thats like 2 years old.
How are people supposed to know this kinda thing?
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 19/07/2009 12:48:47
Originally by: Johnathan Walker Dumb question:
How would I know a neutral's corp is at war or not? They could TELL me they're not at war and I wouldn't know the difference.
Enter ban hammer, unless there is a way to check if a corp is at war with another.
Please no flames; I am not aware of such a function and would like to learn
Corp tab > wars > Other wars
Then search for that corporation and it will say the wars against that corp.
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Lee Dalton
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.19 14:24:00 -
[60]
So repping a neutral POS is an exploit but repping a neutral is ok? :)
How consistant. *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 15:42:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Zortono
Originally by: Gnulpie
Escalate it to Senior GM.
A neutral repping a pos of a war target will become flagged and the war target will be able to legally kill those repping people.
Why this is supposed to be an exploit is beyond my understanding. I can only assume some mistake here, therefore escalate the petition until you get a detailed explanation.
After reading your reply I politely asked the GM to escalate this issue to a senior GM, he replied reassuring me that this was 'indeed an exploit' and denied the request.
email internal affairs whit petition ID
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Zortono
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.19 18:24:00 -
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I requested again that the petition be escalated to a senior GM. Still waiting for a response.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:10:00 -
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Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
Wrangler Senior Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken? -----------------------------------------------
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar The Good old Days
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:31:00 -
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It will be the same as in previous years where normally it is not an exploit however whilst the system is broken then IT IS an exploit.
I imagine that once the system is back working again as intended then it will no longer be an exploit. It's how it's worked in the past with other broken game mechanics.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 19/07/2009 12:48:47
Originally by: Johnathan Walker Dumb question:
How would I know a neutral's corp is at war or not? They could TELL me they're not at war and I wouldn't know the difference.
Enter ban hammer, unless there is a way to check if a corp is at war with another.
Please no flames; I am not aware of such a function and would like to learn
Corp tab > wars > Other wars
Then search for that corporation and it will say the wars against that corp.
Isn't that function broken since like forever? I've not been able to find anyone elses wars in ages.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
Quote: exploit: neutrals remote repairing starbases at war reported by GM Spiral | 2007.06.20 14:34:00
How about hurrying up with it? How bloody hard can it be? ♥
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken?
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
Wrangler Senior Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us
If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid. |
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:47:00 -
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So when is it going to be fixed? is there a internal patch? How long have CCP been aware that it's broken?
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:21:00 -
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What is the intended game mechanic for this - when it's not broken?
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken?
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
maybe it might just be time to hire some people who actually know the rules of the game. If players can't get a clear list of what is and what isn't an exploit , why can people CCP pays to check on this can (and apperently need it) ?
Not even to mention that this sounds more like some bad excuse as a valid reason. The alliance logo submission tool is also mysteriously broken , even for logos what where approved and ready to be implented ingame . Petitions that then get mysteriously closed and systematically ignored to eventually just pretend like a logo is allready in game when it clearly isn't.
Wouldn't it be time to review the customer support of CCP , because it is outragious to let people like these help paying customers. _______________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.07.20 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Xianbei on 20/07/2009 20:38:25 the phrasing is poor
"if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance."
its not just neuts. if a wartarget reps the POS its an exloit too
why would an WT rep an enemy POS ? accidental module activation or even corp spy
but as long as they are warning pilots several times before banning its not that big a deal
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Constable Chang
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.07.20 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So is there a fix in the pipeline for people deleting toons with low security rating (which is also considered an exploit)?
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2009.07.20 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
what a crap responds.. you should be able to help friends out. instead your ecieve warnings? i suggest you fix it and leave the players alone. www.garia.net |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.20 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue At the risk of sounding negative on our otherwise positive forum, some of the GMs in the game have a reputation of being worthless sacks of excrement. Without a senior GMs confirmation I have a little trouble believing it is an exploit.
lol, nicely put. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Azuse
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
Not to be s fuss or anything, but it's difficult to have faith (no matter how well meaning) when you come forward saying that when this has been "getting fixed" for over two years, apparently.
Why exactly is it considered an exploit? The reppers get flagged, or is the flagging bugged? If repping a neutral pos the flags you is en exploit why then is using neutral alts to rep you during a war not? -------------------------
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.20 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
We could really do with a central list of all exploits, so we know what is/not allowed. I never would have guessed that repping someone else's POS is an exploit. ---
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Fig Jam
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:48:00 -
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Well, what if you were to rep a defending war target (i.e. the owner of the POS, not the ones attacking it) before repping the POS? That would flag you to the attackers regardless of whether the flagging for repping the POS is bugged or not.
Since they can then attack you I doubt that it could be claimed as an exploit.
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Constable Chang
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: CCP Wrangler As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
We could really do with a central list of all exploits, so we know what is/not allowed. I never would have guessed that repping someone else's POS is an exploit.
Would you have guessed that jetcan mining was an exploit? Because it was at first.
Basically the word 'exploit' has, in the context of an MMO, come to mean 'anything that the MMO company did not anticipate'.
It no longer means 'taking advantage of a bug'; it can mean 'working smarter not harder'.
Anything that you do in an MMO which required original or 'out of the box' thinking could be declared an 'exploit' these days.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 21/07/2009 09:07:11
Indeed, it seems that way.
However, as players, we have to assume that everything is allowed which is not explicitly forbidden. ---
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:42:00 -
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Open ended game play. Be what you want to be! Except a dedicated repair master!
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LordSwift
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:51:00 -
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Just a quick Q, if i see some guns at a moon with no pos. can i fix the guns and take them without getting in trouble. They have been there a good while now Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Wai Ng'Tse
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Posted - 2009.07.21 10:57:00 -
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some say that they have been doing this for a long time in empire wars.
and too right that they didn't know if the last news-article on it is 2 years old!
is it time for a list of known "exploits" and bannable offences?
Of course this would open up the opportunity for people wanting to use the exploit, but a better exploit tracking system would eliminate that possibility bundled with a 0-tolerance 3 strike system (e.g. 1st offence, 24h ban, 2nd offence, 7 day ban, 3rd offence permanent ban).
It sounds like a bad idea to me, but right now players getting warnings for thing that they didn't know where exploits is pretty lame.
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Ice Moon
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:28:00 -
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I asked for a list of exploits a while ago as I have no frickin' idea what's an exploit or what isn't, and I was promptly told that asking for lists of exploits / discussing exploits / listing exploits...
... are not allowed.
I mean, in all honesty, how can I follow the rules if I don't know what they are?
And if the answer is "They're all obvious", then, er why does this thread exist?
Anyone know why there's a problem telling us what we're not allowed to do?
Ice (Confused)
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Of course this would open up the opportunity for people wanting to use the exploit ...
I understand, but that's a bit like saying we'd better not publish our country's laws in case they give some criminals ideas. ---
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2009.07.21 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken?
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
As much as i try to empathise with CCP or any other MMO company about those who exploit loop holes in programming and how annoying such activities must be to an MMO developer, i'm reminded constantly about corporate bodies who produce software/hardware that is used by far more customers than a product such as EvE.
Sure an MMO is complicated, of that their can be no doubt, but there are in existance pieces of software that are in their own way, similarly complex and accomodate a huge customer base.
It never ceases to amaze me when it comes to MMO's that a companies own short comings in terms of lack of product knowledge, training/lack of development skills and perhaps most importantly insufficient testing (which would stop such things ever making into a 'live version), are hidden behind the old addage of the term 'exploit' and then used as a means in which to persecute their own customers.
Such a response (and again, i know this is the way most MMO companies operate), has always struck me as unproffessional to the point of being thick-headed when the more respectable approach would be to offer an apology for whatever issues it has caused and fix the problem immediately.
Afterall, none of this would be possible if the software was scripted correctly & tested adequately in the first place.
In other corporate environments, if such a shortcoming was identified, it would be fixed, not in 6 months time, not in the next patch - if a loophole was considered serious, then it would be fixed before it hit the news section of their web page and perhaps more importantly, steps taken by the company to try and ensure a more thorough testing and validation process takes place.
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ollobrains
Aurora Nomads
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Posted - 2009.07.21 12:38:00 -
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instead of worrying about yet more changes to pvp, fix some bugs ccp
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains instead of worrying about yet more changes to pvp, fix some bugs ccp
This IS a bug, you douche. ___________________
ENEMA, much love. <3 |
achoura
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Posted - 2009.07.21 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo
Originally by: ollobrains instead of worrying about yet more changes to pvp, fix some bugs ccp
This IS a bug, you douche.
That's the point, do try to learn English fully before attempting insults Still, it doesn't detract from the fact that it's been "getting fixed" for two plus years ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
Milla Jovo
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:26:00 -
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I will be banned if I keep repping a neutral POS
What about nuet repping someone who is getting shot at and not getting flaged (to the other guy doing the shooting) as a target.
must be a bug also
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Turin
Caldari Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
Well this is lame and stupid. How am I supposed to help a friend who isnt in my corp? Fix your damn game. I for one, will CONTINUE to help my friends. Its not MY fault you cant make your game work correctly.
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Gul Tural
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gul Tural on 21/07/2009 19:28:35
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken?
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
WHOOOOOO ... hold on there for a second.
You mean im doing exploits every time i launch drones?
Clearly i must be cause as far as i know drones are still not working completely as the funtion is intended. Am i now banned?
/sarcasm
What i mean to say is that how on earth are we to ensure were not "exploiting" intended game mechanics if we dont have a usable way of knowing about them .. like a specific page that lists all known exploits/not working game mechanics...
Tell me that.
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MEBHansen
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gul Tural
What i mean to say is that how on earth are we to ensure were not "exploiting" intended game mechanics if we dont have a usable way of knowing about them .. like a specific page that lists all known exploits/not working game mechanics...
Tell me that.
Having a page that lists all known exploits is baad, m'kay
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: MEBHansen
Originally by: Gul Tural
What i mean to say is that how on earth are we to ensure were not "exploiting" intended game mechanics if we dont have a usable way of knowing about them .. like a specific page that lists all known exploits/not working game mechanics...
Tell me that.
Having a page that lists all known exploits is baad, m'kay
And banning players for using an exploit without informing the players what is and what isn't one is just really good practice?
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Constable Chang
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: MEBHansen
Originally by: Gul Tural
What i mean to say is that how on earth are we to ensure were not "exploiting" intended game mechanics if we dont have a usable way of knowing about them .. like a specific page that lists all known exploits/not working game mechanics...
Tell me that.
Having a page that lists all known exploits is baad, m'kay
And banning players for using an exploit without informing the players what is and what isn't one is just really good practice?
MMO companies will ban players for any reason they like.
They are desperately trying to assert their sovereignty over the virtual worlds that they have created.
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Teldan Powers
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Constable Chang They are desperately trying to assert their sovereignty over the virtual worlds that they have created.
They should have to do it like the rest of us and put up towers...
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:31:00 -
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LOL
but iguess it's fixed on some internal server and will only take 2 more years until it's on TQ amirite?
until then, ban away \o/ - putting the gist back into logistics |
N'tek alar
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Turin I for one, will CONTINUE to help my friends. Its not MY fault you cant make your game work correctly.
And it isn't THEIR fault that you continue doing it even after being told it's not allowed, Therefor it isn't THEIR faul when you get banned. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: MEBHansen Having a page that lists all known exploits is baad, m'kay
I've never heard a convincing argument for that. If something is not allowed, you tell people "this is not allowed". Just about every set of rules in the world work like that. ---
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:48:00 -
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Ummm so it is okay for a neutral to remote other ships but it's not okay for a neutral to remote rep a POS.
Makes perfect sense Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Weight What on 22/07/2009 15:56:16
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon.
So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken?
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.
Sorry for the late reply and the forthcoming angry tone...
How much of a clown do you have to be to assert this, whilst maintaining the fiction of looking away while neutrals RR WTs? Ooh yes, and as the poster above me stated, how about the whole drone issue? They are obviously not functioning as they should (nor have they been for quite some time), so really, does that make me an exploiter too?
Seriously, the lack of communication and even understanding by the GMs (not the Devs, obviously [I think]) just baffles and dazzles me
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.07.31 06:41:00 -
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I think the bug is that it doesn't flag you to wartarget corps when you remote rep a POS, only to people who have agressed it in the last 15 minutes, like normal aggro transfer, although I'm not sure having not tested it, just going on what I've been hearing.
Still, making neutral repping a POS an exploit is pretty silly, considering that it is commonly done mercs/posrey alts/friends etc.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.31 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia I think the bug is that it doesn't flag you to wartarget corps when you remote rep a POS, only to people who have agressed it in the last 15 minutes, like normal aggro transfer, although I'm not sure having not tested it, just going on what I've been hearing.
Still, making neutral repping a POS an exploit is pretty silly, considering that it is commonly done mercs/posrey alts/friends etc.
This.
All of it.
They should fix it, but it's not a big deal really. Anyway they tend to issue warnings, not bans, so who cares.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 31/07/2009 08:48:12 They didn't mention THIS in the butterfly effect video....
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