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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:09:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Xenuria wrote:High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them. While I agree with you. I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Xenuria wrote:High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them. While I agree with you. I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands. Don't do it, the blob needs you ~
Did you click his sig link? You wouldn't say that if you clicked his sig link!  |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
226
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:12:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.
I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.
The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.
The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"
Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.
Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things. 1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years 2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you 3 WTF are you talking about ? Tal Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few Tal When I read your post I go the impression you were making statement that you shouldn't have to pvp if you want. People have this tendency to get blown up once, and then all of a sudden the games full of gankers. EVE isn't the only game this has happened in, but it's one of the safest. I'm on a lot of drugs, so how the hell should I know?
No you should have pvp, hi sec should not be completely safe. It should have a bit more balance though.
Can I have some : )
Tal
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Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian
55
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:16:00 -
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Eva Rourge wrote:Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Interesting, but define cost please. Get a dictionary. No reason for aggression. Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero and thus become irrelevant.
She probably realized you weren't genuinely asking the question. You had your pre-conceptions already and we're shooting down everyone's input and would continue to do so until we all came to the same conclusion as you; that hi-sec is unnecessary.
As for my two cents, imagine joining this game in lowsec. Unless you know someone in the game you are instantly toast. No opportunity to gain a foothold, no money to buy ships, no way to make money. Within a day you would have no isk, no assets and no reason to continue your sub. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:19:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.
I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.
The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.
The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"
Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.
Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things. 1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years 2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you 3 WTF are you talking about ? Tal Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few Tal When I read your post I go the impression you were making statement that you shouldn't have to pvp if you want. People have this tendency to get blown up once, and then all of a sudden the games full of gankers. EVE isn't the only game this has happened in, but it's one of the safest. I'm on a lot of drugs, so how the hell should I know? No you should have pvp, hi sec should not be completely safe. It should have a bit more balance though. Can I have some : ) Tal
Gotcha, we're on the same page then.
And no. I'm greedy, as well as lazy. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7449
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:54:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities. Yes (well, no, but for the sake of itGǪ)? That still doesn't answer what highsec is for.
Basically, your answer is that some people aren't interested in something that exists everywhere in EVE, and instead want to do something else that exists everywhere in EVE.
Those non-combat activities (and the ability to do them without being shot at) exist outside of highsec as well. Highsec isn't particularly needed to fill that preference. Highsec just lets you do all of that with a different rule-set.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Bahr Cudas
Beta Ray Bill
4
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:02:00 -
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Eva, we get that Empire Space isn't for you. Doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else. |
YuuKnow
344
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:09:00 -
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The purpose of hi-sec is to create a low-risk, low-reward zone of gameplay as opposed to the high-risk, high reward zone of gameplay that Null-sec is.
yk |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3982
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:16:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:empire is a place to fall back to when you discover that there is no place in null sec for you.
I have a place in nullsec as part of an alliance that isn't part of a giant coalition, doesn't have "CTAs", places virtually no restrictions on what I do or when I do it, and expects nothing more of me than that I enjoy the company of my corpies and vice versa.
Sorry you weren't lucky like I was.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3982
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:16:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:The purpose of hi-sec is to create a low-risk, low-reward zone of gameplay as opposed to the high-risk, high reward zone of gameplay that Null-sec is.
yk
And that purpose has long been obsolete.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3982
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:18:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:Interesting, but define cost please. Get a dictionary. No reason for aggression. Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero and thus become irrelevant. She probably realized you weren't genuinely asking the question. You had your pre-conceptions already and we're shooting down everyone's input and would continue to do so until we all came to the same conclusion as you; that hi-sec is unnecessary. As for my two cents, imagine joining this game in lowsec. Unless you know someone in the game you are instantly toast. No opportunity to gain a foothold, no money to buy ships, no way to make money. Within a day you would have no isk, no assets and no reason to continue your sub.
mmm I'm not so sure this is true.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.05.28 23:16:00 -
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It's just a place where relatively new, mainly PvE players, can find their feet re.the mechanics of the game without too much danger of getting ganked. It also makes sense as lore. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
216
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Posted - 2012.05.28 23:27:00 -
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Patch to patch the answer will be different.
In other words, CCP don't have a fuckin clue what it's for. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
246
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:07:00 -
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Imagine how boring the game would be if you didn't have several environments to work with.
The game is richer for the presence of high, low and null. Each requires a different skillset. Take any of them away and we have a lesser game.
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
521
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:17:00 -
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Eva Rourge wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Good grief, yet another one of these posts.
Define "these" please.
"this" = singular, one.
"these" = plural, many.
I hope I have contributed positvely towards your language acumen.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
822
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:54:00 -
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Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden. It's just a bit broken at the moment, and many people exploit the features that are meant to help new players to learn the game and gather some capital.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7456
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:01:00 -
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Roime wrote:Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden. Nope. Never was, never will be.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Cushi
Planet Buffy
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:09:00 -
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Eva Rourge wrote:No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.
So CCP Devs don't have to take up singing. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3989
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:11:00 -
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Roime wrote:Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden. It's just a bit broken at the moment, and many people exploit the features that are meant to help new players to learn the game and gather some capital.
This may have been the original conception but it hasn't been true since at least 2006. The sooner that we recongnise that Hi-sec isn't just a starter area, the sooner we can have a sensible debate on how to develop it to provide high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay.
I wrote a thing.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls
Red Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roime wrote:Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden. Nope. Never was, never will be.
have never heard about Jita?  |
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
216
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:16:00 -
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Without high-sec a lot of griever corps and alliance would not alive and a lot of players wouldn't have the game they like to play.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7458
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:20:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:have never heard about Jita? Jita is definitely not a tutorial area and only ever really hurts new players. They might indeed learn something from the experience, though, but they'll do that same when they jump into HED-GP as well.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
143
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:22:00 -
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Snow Burst wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Question is wrong, why we need 0.0 is proper question. for fun... nuff said
What is fun in there? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3989
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:26:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Snow Burst wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Question is wrong, why we need 0.0 is proper question. for fun... nuff said What is fun in there?
I live in Curse, plenty of fun to be had there (also missions)
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
824
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Roime wrote:Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden. It's just a bit broken at the moment, and many people exploit the features that are meant to help new players to learn the game and gather some capital.
This may have been the original conception but it hasn't been true since at least 2006. The sooner that we recongnise that Hi-sec isn't just a starter area, the sooner we can have a sensible debate on how to develop it to provide high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay. I wrote a thing.
All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area.
It's impossible to balance the safety and income for older players between security levels so that everyone is happy.
1. If you leave it as it is, everybody whines (high reward, uncontrollable risk)
2. If you buff safety to satisfy carebears, rest of EVE whines
3. If you nerf income to satisfy rest of EVE, carebears whine
it would be great to have 4. Buff the income outside hisec, but this would probably break EVE.
When it's fixed and established as a tutorial area, these problems cease to exist. New players plan their tutorial time with the mindset that they will eventually leave the cradle.
How to do this, and what it would do subscriber counts does not interest me.
Problem is as stated above, and I see only two solutions. CCP can either ignore the whine (will work fine, forum whiners are not really important in the grand scheme) or completely change the mechanics of NPC corps and hisec, content & feature balancing will never completely solve the issues.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7459
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:52:00 -
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Roime wrote:All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area. Close, but not quite. All issues stem from people falsely believing it's a tutorial area. As soon as people drop this notion, the vast majority of the supposed issues go away.
If people stop assuming that it is, and stop thinking that they can hide behind it, the level of automated safety turns out to be just right GÇö perhaps even a bit on the high side GÇö and they will start to create their own security, there as everywhere else.
Stop spreading the myth.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
824
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roime wrote:All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area. Close, but not quite. All issues stem from people falsely believing it's a tutorial area. As soon as people drop this notion, the vast majority of the supposed issues go away. If people stop assuming that it is, and stop thinking that they can hide behind it, the level of automated safety turns out to be just right GÇö perhaps even a bit on the high side GÇö and they will start to create their own security, there as everywhere else. Stop spreading the myth.
No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area.
The whiners think it's a PVE server in the middle of the sandbox.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
234
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:The point is: with all the noise around ganking and mining and bears and goons and whatnot - does anyone actually understand what this particular environment is supposed to represent and what one should actually expect of it? Most people do, yes. The rest whine.
Nope, some ppl think they know , and are biased towards there own play style. Everyone complains when they think its biased towards the play style of someone else.. (which it currently is as far as high sec ganking of Hulks is concerned)
Tal |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
824
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:08:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Tippia wrote:Eva Rourge wrote:The point is: with all the noise around ganking and mining and bears and goons and whatnot - does anyone actually understand what this particular environment is supposed to represent and what one should actually expect of it? Most people do, yes. The rest whine. Nope, some ppl think they know , and are biased towards there own play style. Everyone complains when they think its tipped towards the play style of someone else.. Tal
What's a "play style"?
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
234
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:11:00 -
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Roime wrote:Tippia wrote:Roime wrote:All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area. Close, but not quite. All issues stem from people falsely believing it's a tutorial area. As soon as people drop this notion, the vast majority of the supposed issues go away. If people stop assuming that it is, and stop thinking that they can hide behind it, the level of automated safety turns out to be just right GÇö perhaps even a bit on the high side GÇö and they will start to create their own security, there as everywhere else. Stop spreading the myth. No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area. The whiners think it's a PVE server in the middle of the sandbox.
Its not just a tutorial area, can you show me where it says that in the official documentation ?
The sand box is bollocks, CCP regularly change rules in all sec areas depending on balance and player found exploitations.
Tal
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