A false soft baby blanket of false security that you can hide under so you can't see the monsters that are getting ready to tear your baby blanket in half and rip you a new bum before dumping your body in a shallow asteroid?

IMO, especialy with starter systems, it gives genuin new guys a first impression of the game, skewed or not

To provide an area where aggression comes at a cost, so you can gamble on people's miserliness to keep you from getting blown up.

Role playing mostly

Hisec is the totality of systems with security ratings from 0.5 to 1.0 inclusive. This bracket of systems operates under concord protection with respect to pod pilot interactions.

Interesting, but define cost please.

Good grief, yet another one of these posts.

Get a dictionary.

Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero and thus become irrelevant.

Well by having starter system it will of course make the game seem more populated then it is. It will also attract attention of baiters, so there will be a variety of ships to cause a wooooooow factor

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

None of which makes the slightest bit of difference.

To provide an area where aggression comes at a cost, so you can gamble on people's miserliness and hope it keeps you from getting blown up.

Surely does.

Pretty sure I see where this is going.

Hulk pilots aren't "new" players.

End of thread. Next.

Nope. Highsec remains a place where aggression comes at a cost and where you gamble on people's miserliness to keep you safe.

Whether it's relative or approaching zero makes no difference.

edit: wtf, writing is hard.

i personally have no bias.

Actually if cost becomes irrelevant then your statement simply means that highsec is a place where you gamble on people's miserliness at the risk of aggression.

I do understand your refusal to discuss this further

Imho high sec adds a different layer of PvP, whether it be wardeccing, suicide ganking or criminal flagging.

Unlikely. You wouldn't use the phrase GÇ£getting warmerGÇ£ unless you have already made up your mind about what the GÇ£correctGÇ¥ answer is

Unlikely. You wouldn't use the phrase GÇ£getting warmerGÇ£ unless you have already made up your mind about what the GÇ£correctGÇ¥ answer is.

Good thing, then, that nothing of the sort happens.

The means highsec remains a place where aggression comes at a cost and that you can keep gamble on people's miserliness and hope it's enough to keep you safe.

Unlikely. You wouldn't use the phrase GÇ£getting warmerGÇ£ unless you have already made up your mind about what the GÇ£correctGÇ¥ answer is.

Good thing, then, that nothing of the sort happens.

That means highsec remains a place where aggression comes at a cost and that you can keep gamble on people's miserliness and hope it's enough to keep you safe.

Nope, i have not made up my mind but i do have a guess.

By warmer i simply mean we are getting constructive replies.

Then nothing is GÇ£getting warmerGÇ¥.

Equally unlikely.

Then nothing is GÇ£getting warmerGÇ¥.

Equally unlikely.

Their, uh, intent is showing.

You don't like the fact that i poked a hole through your statement

You have enough constructive answers. What is the point of this thread?

The point is: with all the noise around ganking and mining and bears and goons and whatnot - does anyone actually understand what this particular environment is supposed to represent and what one should actually expect of it?

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

Edit: Since i've gotten a few replies suggesting that this is a thread about how safe high sec needs to be... let me add the following to my original question: Do we really need high sec at all?

Most people do, yes. The rest whine.

Interesting point. Thus high sec is really not safe at all, is it? In fact it really does not differ much from low sec except for the circumstances surrounding your death.

Make every system null sec and be done with it.

So I ask, "What is the point of your question, and who are "you" to ask?"

Glad you asked. The point is: with all the noise around ganking and mining and bears and goons and whatnot - does anyone actually understand what this particular environment is supposed to represent and what one should actually expect of it?

I'll go further: could it be that instead of "fixing" high sec so that "everyone" feels comfortable the only thing that is needed is a clear warning label? Do new/casual/whatever players actually understand what they are stepping into when they undock for the very first time?

I am the average Eve player but wait... what does your age have anything to do with anything rather than your age and who are you to ask me who i am? I'm 39, i like to listen to Muse and enjoy firearms competitively. I have 2 children and am at this very moment pouring myself a glass of scotch. Anything else?

-1 stupid idea wud ruin eve

Make every system null sec and be done with it.

Hi. I just had my 57th birthday. Thanks.

Question is wrong, why we need 0.0 is proper question.

just a simple question: why the biggest trade hub is Jita and not some ass of 0.0 space like 1A8-?
I'm pretty sure if you try to answer this question you will understand what high-sec is needed for.

Why, that is what CCP wants, ruthless PVP. What would harbor that more than making every system null sec.

0t would prevent mining, carebears and whining.

Everything people ***** about.

I gotta say, all else being equal, when I think about what the trade hubs in a fully 0.0 game would be like I get pretty engorged. The funny thing is the incentives for creating a secure free trade zone would be enough that the biggest power players would probably be nrds.

Unfortunately the game would die without a hisec for beginners and casuals.

just a simple question: why the biggest trade hub is Jita and not some ass of 0.0 space like 1A8-?
I'm pretty sure if you try to answer this question you will understand what high-sec is needed for.

CCP: what did you invision high sec to be? What do you see it being now? Could we let the cat out of the bag already and let our new subs know that high sec isnt the PvE "realm" and losing your beloved mining barge isn't an accident but rather the logical finale or the sum of all of your actions which you've amounted to?

High security space (also referred to as Highsec and High-Sec) is systems with a security rating of 1.0 down to 0.5. These systems are policed by CONCORD which awards some safety from pirates. While CONCORD does not prevent acts of piracy in high security space, they will quickly respond to such acts and punish the perpetrator. In many cases the response time is fast enough to save the victim from destruction. They will also punish the act by adjusting the security rating according to how high the security in the system is, the higher the system, the higher the penalty.

Unfortunately the game would die without a hisec for beginners and casuals.

Has CCP ever advertised high-sec as a PVE realm?

For instance, here is the description currently on Evelopedia:

Seems pretty level-headed and very careful about its use of the word safety. I don't see where this would give anyone the idea that they are immune from trouble in high-sec and I don't recall CCP making statements inconsistent with this.

Has CCP ever advertised high-sec as a PVE realm?

For instance, here is the description currently on Evelopedia:

Seems pretty level-headed and very careful about its use of the word safety. I don't see where this would give anyone the idea that they are immune from trouble in high-sec and I don't recall CCP making statements inconsistent with this.

Do we really need high sec at all?

Correct me if i misunderstood but are you saing that the excisting playerbase that knows and understands the "harshness" of the Eve universe is now matter how hardened and glorious in its conquests is in the end dependent on fresh meat to keep paying for the servers and staff and thus it needs to lure and bait only to then crush and discard?

I don't judge, i am simply curious.

Is high sec then simply the boot-camp? The grinder that eventually weeds out the weak?

I'm sorry but that isn't saying much as it does not reflect reality at all. Some poor bastard is writing about being ganked repeatedly and losing his hard-earned stuff and the fact that he clearly does not give a crap about the gankers losing their galss cannons to concord and so on and so fourth. Almost everyone posting about their losses is under the impression that high sec means "occasional" encounters and "occasional" losses and that high sec "discourages" pirates and gankers. Wrong.

As we all know and see the losses can be made "systemic" and that "safe" activities can be disrupted for significant periods of time and in fact given the will even permanently. It is wonderful that concord "polices" high sec but when was the new player told that concord can be rendered useless?

My qustion is valid: what is the point of high sec? To create a false sense of safety so that new players (except for the ones that quit right away) get a chance (not a guaranteed chance mind you) to maybe possibly "graduate" and stay thus continuing to support the game via monthly sub contributions?

I'm sorry but that isn't saying much as it does not reflect reality at all. Some poor bastard is writing about being ganked repeatedly and losing his hard-earned stuff and the fact that he clearly does not give a crap about the gankers losing their galss cannons to concord and so on and so fourth. Almost everyone posting about their losses is under the impression that high sec means "occasional" encounters and "occasional" losses and that high sec "discourages" pirates and gankers. Wrong. As we all know and see the losses can be made "systemic" and that "safe" activities can be disrupted for significant periods of time and in fact given the will even permanently. It is wonderful that concord "polices" high sec but when was the new player told that concord can be rendered useless?

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

Edit: Since i've gotten a few replies suggesting that this is a thread about how safe high sec needs to be... let me add the following to my original question: Do we really need high sec at all?

Hell no, we can just toss the new players into null.

I know the developers won't mind not being paid.

Looks like we all agree on what high sec is at this moment. Now if i may throw in my 2 cents, i suggest that the following is done.

Your idea is ******, and nobody cares.

Thats all.

Hi. I just had my 57th birthday. Thanks. I've been playing "Chew The Opposition Into Little Pieces" for more than forty years. I'm a chess master - basketball player for 17 years, football for 12, baseball for 20. I can roast you in bridge, spades, gin rummy, MONOPOLY, double-board Risk. In fact, I've spent my entire life in unbridled competition with one thought in mind, "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing.

You might imagine with so much win/loss, reams of scores, several major INJURIES, my adrenalin pumping, stick it to the enemy days of glory are about over. I've had my run. However, playing isn't. Playing is good for the mind. Einstein said intelligent people need to play. When I found EVE Online I found something where I can make a contribution and let the other folks have their time with going for each other's throats.

It just so happens, I can do my bit to contribute in high sec. I don't pick high sec cause it's safe. I pick it cause it's practical. I get what I'm doing done there, so there's where I do it. What I don't get is, why are there people who want things all their own way to such an extreme that they'd contort this sandbox into their own personal, custom made, suit only me environment and tell everybody else to just go get lost?

I shall not humble myself to such selfish people. The PvP end of this game has nothing in it to match the RL PvP I've done in four decades (and I've got the scars to prove it), so making some claim the world revolves around this handful of folks (to me) is no more than average doo doo ka ka.

So I ask, "What is the point of your question, and who are "you" to ask?"

Interesting, but define cost please.

just bugger off you utter troll

Off-subject but still, i am actually amazed at how many people are just hopelessly bitter. There was a study somewhere online that was talking about how "anonymity" online brings out the worst in people. Take you for example: are you an ******* online or in real life as well? Regardless, nobody forced you to read this thread buddy, no need to rage.

But they should. You are only ignorat until the game starts to die and one day when you can no longer log in you will say "****, we could have prevented this". I guess you also don't care about the neighbor's house burning down until the day yours catches on fire.

Hi. I just had my 57th birthday. Thanks. I've been playing "Chew The Opposition Into Little Pieces" for more than forty years. I'm a chess master - basketball player for 17 years, football for 12, baseball for 20. I can roast you in bridge, spades, gin rummy, MONOPOLY, double-board Risk. In fact, I've spent my entire life in unbridled competition with one thought in mind, "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing.

You might imagine with so much win/loss, reams of scores, several major INJURIES, my adrenalin pumping, stick it to the enemy days of glory are about over. I've had my run. However, playing isn't. Playing is good for the mind. Einstein said intelligent people need to play. When I found EVE Online I found something where I can make a contribution and let the other folks have their time with going for each other's throats.

It just so happens, I can do my bit to contribute in high sec. I don't pick high sec cause it's safe. I pick it cause it's practical. I get what I'm doing done there, so there's where I do it. What I don't get is, why are there people who want things all their own way to such an extreme that they'd contort this sandbox into their own personal, custom made, suit only me environment and tell everybody else to just go get lost?

I shall not humble myself to such selfish people. The PvP end of this game has nothing in it to match the RL PvP I've done in four decades (and I've got the scars to prove it), so making some claim the world revolves around this handful of folks (to me) is no more than average doo doo ka ka.

So I ask, "What is the point of your question, and who are "you" to ask?"

Folk our age usually have more sense than to brag like an insecure teen-ager.

if the vast majority choose to live in hisec... 'What is the point of nulsec?'

Perhaps then i should have phrased it as "What is the point of having multiple security levels?"

Perhaps then i should have phrased it as "What is the point of having multiple security levels?"

Problem is, with all of the ganker vs bear posts and cries it is bluntly obvious that people do not understand what the game is about and how to play it. How can you play the game for months and then be surprised and upset by the fact that you just lost all of your belongings because you decided to afk mine?

Off-subject but still, i am actually amazed at how many people are just hopelessly bitter. There was a study somewhere online that was talking about how "anonymity" online brings out the worst in people. Take you for example: are you an ******* online or in real life as well? Regardless, nobody forced you to read this thread buddy, no need to rage especially when you post one-liners like

A place where CCP put newbies, and then direct them to tutorials where they have to shoot red crosses or mine, then they think that all you do in Eve is shoot red crosses or mine, and they grow up to be whiny risk-averse officer-fit-Golem or hulk flying publords.

Why, that is what CCP wants, ruthless PVP. What would harbor that more than making every system null sec.

0t would prevent mining, carebears and whining.

Everything people ***** about.

i think ull find ccp WANTS mining and pve AND pvp not JUST pvp :p

Problem is, with all of the ganker vs bear posts and cries it is bluntly obvious that people do not understand what the game is about and how to play it. How can you play the game for months and then be surprised and upset by the fact that you just lost all of your belongings because you decided to afk mine?

If you think that a "starting" area will form bad habits propose something else but we need new players and we need existing players to stay. We actually need more PvP, not less. So how do you encourage the fact that Eve is all about war and the only reason economy esists is to support war?

Perhaps then i should have phrased it as "What is the point of having multiple security levels?"

how exactly is that rage. I told you to "bugger" off. Bugger. Least offensive word in the english dictionary.

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

Edit: Since i've gotten a few replies suggesting that this is a thread about how safe high sec needs to be... let me add the following to my original question: Do we really need high sec at all or (as someone recently pointed out) what is the point of having multiple security levels when we can have just one big battlefield?

Mining, manufacturing, research , production, trading etc

Because the game is not just about PVP.

and before some idiot comes on to say it is.

Mining, manufacturing, research , production, trading etc

Because the game is not just about PVP.

and before some idiot comes on to say it is.

Mining, manufacturing, research , production, trading etc

Tal

SoGǪ to disprove that it's all about PvP, you list a number of PvP activities?

Idgi.

-2 corps mining in same belt after the same thing, PVP!
-2 people manufacturing ame thing to sell in same region... PVP!
-Research: researching things to make manufacturing cost less and to make more items faster than the other guy, PVP!
-production = manufacturing
- Trading... lol yeah, no PVP there at all!

F*ck off troll you know what ppl are talking about when they say PVP 99% of the time.

Tal

The point of high sec is to give the illusion of security. Why do you think people buy insurance? (ingame and RL)

Only read the op. hi sec should be a little safezone for the noobs, however hisec in its current state does not fit in with the type of game eve is. IMO hisec should be removed entirely except for a few starter systems. There is no reason for it other than to cater to the kiddies that won't htfu.

Awww...did the widdle bunny **** you off mate?

What?? those are activities that don't include shooting ppl on one big battlefield. Whats your logic ?

You are visibly upset.

My logic is that they're all PvP.

Mining GÇö competition for resources, player vs. player.
Manufacturing, research, production manufacturing again GÇö competition for slots/moons, a means to provide an edge inGǪ
Market GÇö competition for best purchase and/or sale price, player vs. player.

GǪnot to mention that all of the above only serves to feed the demand generated by combat and destruction.

At no point are you competing against any kind of GÇ£environmentGÇ£ or NPCs, only against other players.

There are exactly two things in EVE that are not subject to PvP: GÇ£accept missionGÇ¥ and GÇ£complete missionGÇ¥ (GÇ£abandon missionGÇ¥ might have counted if it weren't for PvP being such a common reason for people using that button).

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

Edit: Since i've gotten a few replies suggesting that this is a thread about how safe high sec needs to be... let me add the following to my original question: Do we really need high sec at all or (as someone recently pointed out) what is the point of having multiple security levels when we can have just one big battlefield?

Manufacturing, research, production manufacturing again GÇö competition for slots/moons, a means to provide an edge inGǪ

Er TLDR sorry let me clarify for the trying to be clever combat PVP.

So creating your own POS (outside of wartime) and using your own slots isnt PVP then?

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

Edit: Since i've gotten a few replies suggesting that this is a thread about how safe high sec needs to be... let me add the following to my original question: Do we really need high sec at all or (as someone recently pointed out) what is the point of having multiple security levels when we can have just one big battlefield?

Of course it is. Read what you quoted again.

it was a joke -.-

Er TLDR sorry let me clarify for the trying to be clever combat PVP.

But then you're not really answering the question. Combat is as much a part of highsec as of any of the other sec levels, and the activities you listed are as much a part of the other sec levels as they are of highsec.

You're making distinctions that aren't really there.

Of course it is. Read what you quoted again.

Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities

Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities.

Tal

My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.



I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.

The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.

The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"

Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.

High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them.

While I agree with you.

I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.

Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things.

1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years
2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you
3 WTF are you talking about ?

Tal

Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few


Tal

While I agree with you.

I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.

Don't do it, the blob needs you ~

When I read your post I go the impression you were making statement that you shouldn't have to pvp if you want.

People have this tendency to get blown up once, and then all of a sudden the games full of gankers. EVE isn't the only game this has happened in, but it's one of the safest.

I'm on a lot of drugs, so how the hell should I know?

No reason for aggression. Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero and thus become irrelevant.

No you should have pvp, hi sec should not be completely safe. It should have a bit more balance though.

Can I have some : )


Tal

Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities.

empire is a place to fall back to when you discover that there is no place in null sec for you.

The purpose of hi-sec is to create a low-risk, low-reward zone of gameplay as opposed to the high-risk, high reward zone of gameplay that Null-sec is.

yk

She probably realized you weren't genuinely asking the question. You had your pre-conceptions already and we're shooting down everyone's input and would continue to do so until we all came to the same conclusion as you; that hi-sec is unnecessary.

As for my two cents, imagine joining this game in lowsec. Unless you know someone in the game you are instantly toast. No opportunity to gain a foothold, no money to buy ships, no way to make money. Within a day you would have no isk, no assets and no reason to continue your sub.

Define "these" please.

Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden.

No wall of text here, just a simple question. A clear one sentence reply would benice.

Hisec is the tutorial and market area of New Eden. It's just a bit broken at the moment, and many people exploit the features that are meant to help new players to learn the game and gather some capital.

Nope. Never was, never will be.

have never heard about Jita?

for fun... nuff said

What is fun in there?

This may have been the original conception but it hasn't been true since at least 2006. The sooner that we recongnise that Hi-sec isn't just a starter area, the sooner we can have a sensible debate on how to develop it to provide high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay.

I wrote a thing.

All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area.

Close, but not quite. All issues stem from people falsely believing it's a tutorial area. As soon as people drop this notion, the vast majority of the supposed issues go away.

If people stop assuming that it is, and stop thinking that they can hide behind it, the level of automated safety turns out to be just right GÇö perhaps even a bit on the high side GÇö and they will start to create their own security, there as everywhere else.

Stop spreading the myth.

Most people do, yes. The rest whine.

Nope, some ppl think they know , and are biased towards there own play style. Everyone complains when they think its tipped towards the play style of someone else..

Tal

No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area.

The whiners think it's a PVE server in the middle of the sandbox.

What's a "play style"?

No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area.

All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area.

It's impossible to balance the safety and income for older players between security levels so that everyone is happy.

1. If you leave it as it is, everybody whines (high reward, uncontrollable risk)
2. If you buff safety to satisfy carebears, rest of EVE whines
3. If you nerf income to satisfy rest of EVE, carebears whine

it would be great to have 4. Buff the income outside hisec, but this would probably break EVE.

When it's fixed and established as a tutorial area, these problems cease to exist. New players plan their tutorial time with the mindset that they will eventually leave the cradle.

How to do this, and what it would do subscriber counts does not interest me.

Problem is as stated above, and I see only two solutions. CCP can either ignore the whine (will work fine, forum whiners are not really important in the grand scheme) or completely change the mechanics of NPC corps and hisec, content & feature balancing will never completely solve the issues.

No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area.

The whiners think it's a PVE server in the middle of the sandbox.

Its not just a tutorial area, can you show me where it says that in the official documentation ?

The high security areas are the safer places at which to start, until you are ready to venture into the more aggressive areas of the game.

What other purpose would it serve in a sandbox game?

What other purpose would it serve in a sandbox game?

What other purpose would it serve in a sandbox game?

I cant be asked to answer dumb questions.

Define "these" please.

The gankers aren't hurting the game, you guys who insist on complaining about them are. You're the biggest detriment to the growth of EVE in the playerbase. You guys come to the game, know what the game is about, and still insist on bitching when someone shoots you. And then to top it off, you try to insinuate that they shot you by somehow getting around a mechanic in the game that's supposed to keep you from getting killed; further purpetrating the myth that the game is full of nothing but gankers.

To offer different buckets and spades.

Read the responses in this thread that may give you a clue.

You were asked to clarify your statement. What do you mean by a "play style" in this context?

The buckets and spades are identical in all EVE with a handful of combat ability -related exceptions, which exist to keep hisec a safer area for new players to learn the game.



There is no consensus in this thread.

The buckets and spades are identical in all EVE

Can you point to the part were it says that other players can't target or shoot you in the "tutorial zones"?

Can you point to the part were it says that other players can't target or shoot you in the "tutorial zones"?

Nope, some ppl think they know , and are biased towards there own play style. Everyone complains when they think its tipped towards the play style of someone else..

No, I can't. You can target and shoot most things everywhere in EVE. To protect the new players while they learn the game, CCP has created CONCORD, a concept that introduces a level of security in the starter areas without breaking the idea of a sandbox.

It protects the new players by making it less than sensible to shoot players in cheap ships.

Or maybe you can tell what is my "play style"?

It has been stated over and over that you can't can bait newbies, gank etc etc etc newbies in the starter systems.
of which there are what 8 or 12 in game all 1.0 systems.

Those are the ONLY systems systems that players are protected and are considered tutorial zones.

Every other system in game is a free for all.
High-sec is NOT a newbie area, if it was burn Jita, hulkageddon, ganking, war-dec's etc etc etc would not be allowed in High-sec.
The only thing you are guaranteed in High-sec is that if someone shoots you without a war dec they will lose their ship.
That is it, NOTHING else.

You are still referring to some obscure "play style" concepts like they would mean anything to other people.

Or maybe you can tell what is my "play style"?

It's ok, really, no need to explain further. You don't like the fact that i poked a hole through your statement and since you can not argue it any further you have to question the reasoning behind my question. Perfectly understood. Now unless you have any proof that i side with either bears or gankers lets just move along. Thanks.

6 years ago I did the tutorial. I can't be expected to remember how a system worked 6 years ago.
I can't even be expected to bathe properly today.

To protect the new players while they learn the game, CCP has created CONCORD

It protects the new players by making it less than sensible to shoot players in cheap ships.

No not really, I can see from your posts that no one can tell you anything, so whats the point.

Obscure concept,

Tal