And corporate hangars?

At least bring back the icon for it.

This still shouldn't have happened against the will of your player-base.

Unless the inventory system becomes a big improvement on the old then it was for nothing.

Still no option or response to have a "hide empty devisions/containers" from the tree view. Still not lifted the stupid 3km POS access range.

U ever worked with 14 labs or 14 arrays? No, well try it with the new system. Try setup 14 RE arrays, now try to position yourself so u can access all 14 labs at once... This is nearly impossible, since the 3km range is simply too low!

Even if u group the POS modules, i still just need to expand 3 LABS and the tree view is already full, even if u resize the tree-view to fullscreen! This means to access 14 labs u either have to always expand/collapse 3 labs at a time or scroll 4-5 screen pages, now try to drag&drop from LAB1 on top to LAB14 at the bottom.... have fun.

The POS access range isn't something that change with the unified inventory. We'll happily look into it, but right now we're looking to right some of the wrongs that came out with the inventory.

Regarding the options to hide/remove stuff, we're looking at options of doing this gracefully. We haven't entirely settled upon one, but having a "favorites" type folder where you can customize stuff is what I'm leaning towards as it solves multiple issues.

... we're looking at options of doing this gracefully.

We won't stop until that happens.

GÇóWhen you want to open an inventory in a separate window, you can now drag and drop it out of the main window as an alternative to the shift + click way of opening it.

We're working towards making some changes to a lot of the icons. Ideally we'll want everything to have separate icons so you can more easily identify them.

If you use a shortcut to open a specific inventory/bay, that window will open in the compact and separate mode.

Regarding the options to hide/remove stuff, we're looking at options of doing this gracefully. We haven't entirely settled upon one, but having a "favorites" type folder where you can customize stuff is what I'm leaning towards as it solves multiple issues.

Thanks for the changes so far.

As a wh ceo I would like to have the ability to turn off the "total value" counters in the containers for SMA/hangars.. We dont have much to work with in terms of security, and the new system is like putting my wallet on the table in front of a bunch of strangers with a post it saying "$1500 inside here !"

There is no need to tempt people like that.

Thanks for the changes so far.

As a wh ceo I would like to have the ability to turn off the "total value" counters in the containers for SMA/hangars.. We dont have much to work with in terms of security, and the new system is like putting my wallet on the table in front of a bunch of strangers with a post it saying "$1500 inside here !"

There is no need to tempt people like that.

We won't stop until that happens.

For those responsible for this mess:

Don't take the abuse you get too hard. People with perfect hindsight excluded, miscalculations happen to everyone.

As a company you've reacted very well this time.

Once the issues are fixed, the tempers will quickly cool down.

Great Stuff! I look forward to these changes.

A few suggestions for your list:

1) Top edge of an inventory window uses two rows. Merge all the info into one row. Ditto for the bottom edge.

2) Icons and Fonts in the tree should (optionally) be bigger. This is a big problem for me. If I'm in a hurry, or somehow not quite in full control of my fine motor reflexes, especially over weekends, I manage to mis-drag or mis-drop from a window to a tree item. This causes tears, and further loss of motor coordination.

3) Speaking of options, several features are great for some and despised by others. Make them optionable:
- Open on hover
- Total ISK value display
- Selected/Hovered ISK value display
- Font/Icon size in tree.

- Ponder

Good job on trying to fix it asap.

would it be possible to let mouse wheel scroll the window part the cursor is hovering above?

example: I have long list of containers in tree view. I grab some stuff from one container, move it to the tree view to drop it there ... oh crap, the correct container is somewhere on the bottom... Now I need to release mouse button, click tree view, scroll down, and drop to correct container.

Would it be possible to improve this?

We won't stop until that happens.

Customizable Neocom buttons to link to parts of inventory (cargohold, hangars, favs ...) would be AWESOME.

This would be an excellent fix. We need the ability to scroll down the tree while having an item grabbed. For example, if I take something from my hanger, and need to scroll the UI tree up to my active ship, I should be able to do this by holding the grabbed item over the scroll up button, or by rolling my mouse wheel up.

Oh and quick UI question, anyone know why my Private convo windows stick together, as do my Common chat ones but if I link the two the next private chat window is separate again?

I agree, this would be superb. It gives those who preferred having a direct hangar and item buttons the opportunity to put it back and much more besides.

Customizable Neocom buttons to link to parts of inventory (cargohold, hangars, favs ...) would be AWESOME.

I'm ok with the ongoing work on the inventory.

Nope, not ideal for reactions or POS inventory shuffling, but we're big kids, we can handle that.

What I :love: to find is the rolling tears from the mission and mining botters that their programs don't work!

Keep changing the inventory to keep those vermin frustrated. Given enough downtime, they may give it all up.

I'm ok with the ongoing work on the inventory.

Nope, not ideal for reactions or POS inventory shuffling, but we're big kids, we can handle that.

What I :love: to find is the rolling tears from the mission and mining botters that their programs don't work!

Keep changing the inventory to keep those vermin frustrated. Given enough downtime, they may give it all up.

Customizable Neocom buttons to link to parts of inventory (cargohold, hangars, favs ...) would be AWESOME.

Buttons on Neocom to
1) Open Item Hanger in Compact Mode
2) Open Ships Hanger in Compact Mode
3) Open Corp Hangers with
a) Tree starting at Corp Hanger
b) Improved performance - takes ages to work through some hangers with containers
c) Rembering Last Division used

You deserve no thanks or kudos for doing the job you should have done before you foisted this steaming pile of **** onto the players. I want all the functionality of the old system or the old system restored.

ok now when this new UI is semi finished you better make a VIDEO telling about all shortcuts, features, switches etc...


ALSO WHERE IS BACK FORWARD buttons for the unified window? Will there be any?

When you want to open an inventory in a separate window, you can now drag and drop it out of the main window as an alternative to the shift + click way of opening it.

All very nice, but it is still more work than the old system. You still have to navigate to where the item is then drag it. What we need is the old buttons to be re-introduced. Ones for SHIPS, ITEMGÇÖs & CORP HANGER. One click to open windowGÇÖs that we use ALL the time. ThatGÇÖs the easiest way. Simple.

The POS access range isn't something that change with the unified inventory. We'll happily look into it, but right now we're looking to right some of the wrongs that came out with the inventory.

Regarding the options to hide/remove stuff, we're looking at options of doing this gracefully. We haven't entirely settled upon one, but having a "favorites" type folder where you can customize stuff is what I'm leaning towards as it solves multiple issues.

I want to come back to one of Andys points, mentioned in the other threads by several players, too.
Remembering, how the old system was: I opened one Lab / array, choose a division .. and any other lab opend, had the same division up. Any of the windows I opened could bee moved to one window, indicated by a tab. So i had 1 window ... with 10 Labs indicated by their tabs, and could be sure, all of them share the same division. I could happily drop things onto these tabs and managed all the labs at the same time.

Try this, with the new inventory system: Ii is impossible... I can at a maximum expand 5-6 labs at once in the list. And thats only, if they are alphabetically named directly in order. You need permanently click those things to expand / collapse them. That is a step backwards.

I do not have a solution for your new system, that covers this problem. I dont know what happens, if I simply drop something on a collapsed lab .. which division would be used. I dont know if it could be possible to get tabs for the divisions back, instead oh having them expandable under the arrays ... and of couse its a thing of remembering divisions, and visualize, if a division is empty ...

I hope you got the point, why it is not a better system, now you put the old multidimensional approach into a single dimensional tree style.

I want to come back to one of Andys points, mentioned in the other threads by several players, too.
Remembering, how the old system was: I opened one Lab / array, choose a division .. and any other lab opend, had the same division up. Any of the windows I opened could bee moved to one window, indicated by a tab. So i had 1 window ... with 10 Labs indicated by their tabs, and could be sure, all of them share the same division. I could happily drop things onto these tabs and managed all the labs at the same time.

Try this, with the new inventory system: Ii is impossible... I can at a maximum expand 5-6 labs at once in the list. And thats only, if they are alphabetically named directly in order. You need permanently click those things to expand / collapse them. That is a step backwards.

I do not have a solution for your new system, that covers this problem. I dont know what happens, if I simply drop something on a collapsed lab .. which division would be used. I dont know if it could be possible to get tabs for the divisions back, instead oh having them expandable under the arrays ... and of couse its a thing of remembering divisions, and visualize, if a division is empty ...

I hope you got the point, why it is not a better system, now you put the old multidimensional approach into a single dimensional tree style.

The POS access range isn't something that change with the unified inventory. We'll happily look into it, but right now we're looking to right some of the wrongs that came out with the inventory.

Regarding the options to hide/remove stuff, we're looking at options of doing this gracefully. We haven't entirely settled upon one, but having a "favorites" type folder where you can customize stuff is what I'm leaning towards as it solves multiple issues.

I still don't see why people are crying about not having separate icons to open item hanger and ship hanger. In the past, it would take 2 clicks to get both windows open. Now you click once to get your Inventory screen open then you can shuffle between tabs. All in one window. You can drag items from the current active window to any tab you want it to. All in one easy to use window.

Are people really screaming at now you have to shift/drag to get a 2nd window open? You are still doing two actions, just like you did in the past.

Hey guys ,

Any idea if you will bring back the Meta level info in the detailed inventory display.
Makes it easier again to sort thru loot .

Hey guys ,

Any idea if you will bring back the Meta level info in the detailed inventory display.
Makes it easier again to sort thru loot .

I still don't see why people are crying about not having separate icons to open item hanger and ship hanger. In the past, it would take 2 clicks to get both windows open. Now you click once to get your Inventory screen open then you can shuffle between tabs. All in one window. You can drag items from the current active window to any tab you want it to. All in one easy to use window.

Are people really screaming at now you have to shift/drag to get a 2nd window open? You are still doing two actions, just like you did in the past.

I still don't see why people are crying about not having separate icons to open item hanger and ship hanger. In the past, it would take 2 clicks to get both windows open. Now you click once to get your Inventory screen open then you can shuffle between tabs. All in one window. You can drag items from the current active window to any tab you want it to. All in one easy to use window.

Are people really screaming at now you have to shift/drag to get a 2nd window open? You are still doing two actions, just like you did in the past.

I still don't see why people are crying about not having separate icons to open item hanger and ship hanger. In the past, it would take 2 clicks to get both windows open. Now you click once to get your Inventory screen open then you can shuffle between tabs. All in one window. You can drag items from the current active window to any tab you want it to. All in one easy to use window.

Are people really screaming at now you have to shift/drag to get a 2nd window open? You are still doing two actions, just like you did in the past.

still no fix to when i drag and drop into a container if i am not superfast that container opens up instead forcing me to reopen the original container.

this is a pain when you have lots of containers as most of us industrialists do

I have to find out if anyone has asked this question directly: is there a way to SHUT OFF the price index in the inventory UI, instead of just changing it? If not, will there be an option to do that? Like a checkmark, or in the settings, etc etc. It would reduce so much lag getting into my stuffs. Thanks!

Mmmm...odd, I don't see that behavior and I don't think I'm exceptionally fast at moving my cursor from the containers once I've dropped it. I usually select the items, drag it to the container, see the container highlight, release the mouse button, move my cursor back to the inventory pane.

Is that what you're doing?

NIce to see your glossing over the corp hanger issue, corps are being crippled because there members cant access corp hangers, that is a MAJOR issue.

NIce to see your glossing over the corp hanger issue, corps are being crippled because there members cant access corp hangers, that is a MAJOR issue.

We won't stop until that happens.

The POS access range isn't something that change with the unified inventory. We'll happily look into it, but right now we're looking to right some of the wrongs that came out with the inventory.

Regarding the options to hide/remove stuff, we're looking at options of doing this gracefully. We haven't entirely settled upon one, but having a "favorites" type folder where you can customize stuff is what I'm leaning towards as it solves multiple issues.

When you want to open an inventory in a separate window, you can now drag and drop it out of the main window as an alternative to the shift + click way of opening it.

- Possibility to repack items in the POS... ( This would save space and server processing )
- Allow to open containers in the POS. (without having to move it to the ship)
- Allow an option to keep showing the ship cargo tree, even if you scroll it down ( it make item management easier )
- Only show tabs that you have acess and are in use range
- Make wrecks and containers closer then 2500m to show in the tree automatically.
- Give us a button to loot ALL containers and wrecks around.

Mmmm...odd, I don't see that behavior and I don't think I'm exceptionally fast at moving my cursor from the containers once I've dropped it. I usually select the items, drag it to the container, see the container highlight, release the mouse button, move my cursor back to the inventory pane.

Is that what you're doing?

I just don't get it. WHY would I ever want a unified inventory, the assets window did that job.
This is completely crazy. Why are you even spending time on this.

I like the old windows better still.

Can we have a settings option to use the old system please.

GÇóIf you use a shortcut to open a specific inventory/bay, that window will open in the compact and separate mode.

GÇóInventories like the ship hangar, item hangar and item containers will maintain their position/layout when separated, even if you undock and then redock.

GÇóWhen you want to open an inventory in a separate window, you can now drag and drop it out of the main window as an alternative to the shift + click way of opening it.

We're working towards making some changes to a lot of the icons. Ideally we'll want everything to have separate icons so you can more easily identify them.

We won't stop until that happens.

We won't stop until that happens.

Conventions are good for you.

You missed the boat on that one.


Listening to feedback and not implementing this crap woulld have been graceful.

Once you realised what had happened, roll back to old system would have been graceful.

As it is, you are making players suffer for weeks. This is not a graceful way of doing things.

Inventory Handling

1. If you use a shortcut to open a specific inventory/bay, that window will open in the compact and separate mode.
2. Inventories like the ship hangar, item hangar and item containers will maintain their position/layout when separated, even if you undock and then redock.
3. When you want to open an inventory in a separate window, you can now drag and drop it out of the main window as an alternative to the shift + click way of opening it.

Starbases

WeGÇÖre adding a tree structure to POSs, so the list of modules isnGÇÖt just one long list of every POS module there.
WeGÇÖre adding a visual indicator to show if youGÇÖre in range of a certain container or not, much like the overview has it. That should filter down the number of options in a very nice and visible way.

Why wasn't this done on the test server?

On another note; 'directory' tree in the left pane can get really cluttered when working with a lot of objects. Why not give the option to add configurable tabs in the right pane?

Click on active ship and default to cargo hold with drone bay and various hangars as tabs, maybe select cargo containers in cargo hold (configurable ofc)

Same goes for handling a hangar with a lot of containers, corp hangars, pos handling etc.

This would provide easy access to important objects without having to browse the left tree.

An option to add double panes (total commander style) would be helpful as well.

If you use a shortcut to open a specific inventory/bay, that window will open in the compact and separate mode.

We won't stop until that happens.

Please also consider restoring "double click to open cargo" functionality for inactive ships ash there is no quick way atm to access the cargo of inactive ships.

Have you addressed the inconsistent behavior of double-click in the inventory window? Double-click on a container in the right pane opens, double-click on a ship makes it active.

The actions in inventory control should not change ship status.

you took away double click on ship to open cargo

In what way cant access the hangers - just performance reasons or some other?

If corps are being crippled because they cant access corp hangers efficiently then you have some bigger issues at hand then the inventory system.

Thanks for the quick fixes and continuing to talk to us about this. It still needs a lot of work, but you're moving in the right direction and if you manage to keep up this pace of upgrades, I'm sure you'll get there sooner rather than later.

For those responsible for this mess:

Don't take the abuse you get too hard. People with perfect hindsight excluded, miscalculations happen to everyone. Instead of arguing who is to blame and bickering about what should have happened, the more important part is how you deal with the aftermath once you notice you're knee deep in crap. As a company you've reacted very well this time. Instead of pretending everything is fine, showing continuing contempt towards the playerbase and retreating to your shell, you've continued to engage in a dialogue, acknowladged the need to address the issues in a rapid manner and have gone on to do exactly that. Once the issues are fixed, the tempers will quickly cool down.

Keep up the good work.

If we drag a container that has no sub-containers (a leaf node) to the Neocom, it should open in a separated window by default. If we drag a virtual tree node or a container with one or more sub-containers to the Neocom, it should open in a tree-view window by default.

Are people really screaming at now you have to shift/drag to get a 2nd window open? You are still doing two actions, just like you did in the past.

Oh look. Despite CCP pouring work into making the new inventory system better. People still feel the need to whine and moan on the forums.

Get a clue. The old system is not coming back. Your whining is pointless so be patient and wait for them to get these fixes out.

And keep providing suggestions.

Another issue with the Unified Inventory:

When I have the tree view scrolled all the up so that I can see my cargohold and move a container from a corporate hangar array to my cargohold, the tree view re-adjusts so that I no longer see my cargohold nor the new container, but focuses on the corporate hangar array I just dragged from.

WTF. I moved that container from the CHA to my cargohold so that I could use the stupid thing, why are you hiding it? Especially after I already scrolled to have it viewable?

Inventories like the ship hangar, item hangar and item containers will maintain their position/layout when separated, even if you undock and then redock.

Fixed a bug where the estimated price wouldnGÇÖt change when dragging between open windows

#1241 Posted: 2012.05.28 18:51 i am not sure if this is mentioned before. if so , u can ignore this (but please solve it) we used the have an option with rightlicking on our ship to open the drone bay. this drone bay always opened seperate and included the possibilty to see drones in bay or in flight. it also had the possibility to move them in named groups and set theem fron agrassive to passive. i could also see their recieved damage when in flight. i still have that option, because i never close it. but a friend of mine cant do it anymore. the rightclick on drone bay in the new inventory seems to open a new invwentory box wich is diffent in set up. if we are doing things wrong; please tell us how it works nowadays, otherwise; please bring the old rightclick function on our ship back. tnx

#122 Posted: 2012.05.30 17:44 | Report Like Can I access my orca pilot's corp hangar in space yet?

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before, but I am finding it increasingly annoying:

When you drag an item from any other location (ie: cargo bay, item hangar, etc) to a station container, the item ignore the settings of said station container and always placed into the container as locked, even though the settings say that Items placed by me into this container are unlocked.

devs may not like hearing this, but imo the biggest - and only - plus to the new "Unified Inventory" thing is the ability to shift-click instead of shift-click-drag.

now to manually get all my damn windows back and hope they stay that way...

uhhhhhhhh what? shift-click, drag was for splitting stacks and multiple selections, right? or am I confused here? and how you think that shift+click for new windows will help you keep your windows the way you like them is beyond me... good luck in your reality dude.

Thanks for the quick fixes and continuing to talk to us about this. It still needs a lot of work, but you're moving in the right direction and if you manage to keep up this pace of upgrades, I'm sure you'll get there sooner rather than later.

For those responsible for this mess:

Don't take the abuse you get too hard. People with perfect hindsight excluded, miscalculations happen to everyone. Instead of arguing who is to blame and bickering about what should have happened, the more important part is how you deal with the aftermath once you notice you're knee deep in crap. As a company you've reacted very well this time. Instead of pretending everything is fine, showing continuing contempt towards the playerbase and retreating to your shell, you've continued to engage in a dialogue, acknowladged the need to address the issues in a rapid manner and have gone on to do exactly that. Once the issues are fixed, the tempers will quickly cool down.

Keep up the good work.

lol now you're the one getting an uhhhhh what?! the new "Unified Inventory" is exactly that - one huge effing stack. you used have to shift+click+drag to separate windows out of a stack. logic says you would need to do the same thing to get them all out of this new stack. guess what? you don't, and +1 for that. get it?

Which leads to a very important question,

What, if anything, have CCP managed to learn from this for future improvements/expansions?

Answer: not a damn thing Im afraid.

I disagree. The devs should take the feedback as a kick in the nuts, collectively recoil in horror, and pray every night for the next few months that they aren't going to be told to not show up anymore. Why? Because if they don't, they'll never learn. It's not even a matter of hindsight. A disaster like this occurs because of a large succession of failures. They need sufficient motivation to figure out where **** went wrong, and what they can do to prevent it from going wrong in the future. Saying "Good recovery" doesn't provide that motivation.

There needs to be an entire report written up. What were the warning signs? Why were the signs ignored? Why was production rushed to such a point that an obviously broken system went live? Why is there some sort of honest belief that negative criticism is invalid because the players are too stupid to tell the difference between "Different" and "Total Garbage"? (Hint: When you point out actual flaws, odds are REALLY good it's not because it's 'different'. That's a freebie). Who did their job right? Who didn't do their job right?

Seriously. When you add in a feature that generates SEVERAL comment threads over 50 pages long of people complaining about how much your 'feature' sucks, it's time to act like you're the FAA investigating an airliner crash. CCP is too small and going in too many directions at once to afford every other patch being "incarna 2.0" because you rushed half-completed ill-conceived features from test to live. There comes a point when even the majority of apathetic players start cringing at "improvements" and start leaving for something else. If someone else released internet spaceships, incarna 3.0 will sink Eve.

We yell at you because we don't want ALL of you fired (only the really incompetent person that green-lighted moving unified inventory to live). We want you to learn from your mistakes. Learn that ignoring feedback because you think you know better isn't a way to make a consumer product. There's a difference making a product no one knew they wanted (think iPod) or making a product that everyone already told you they don't want. I know, I know. It's a subtle difference. Like the difference between a lighter and a nuclear explosion. Products that consumers didn't know they wanted meet with great success when introduced to a test group (Think: Test server). Where as your Unified Inventory was met with pretty much outright hostility. Or how about that last week or so of comments before Inferno went live where people were BEGGING you to not move the Unified Inventory to live? Seriously. HOW do you miss **** like that? That goes beyond incompetence, and into willful ignorance or possibly a direct attack against CCP. I'd look at whoever pushed it through with a great deal of suspicion. If I was in charge, I would fire them for malicious activity and probably hire someone to investigate their activities at the company for the last year or so to see if they were willfully stupid or outright malicious.

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Not too bad. Very few words got censored. I'm getting better :D

We're working towards making some changes to a lot of the icons. Ideally we'll want everything to have separate icons so you can more easily identify them.

I disagree. The devs should take the feedback as a kick in the nuts, collectively recoil in horror, and pray every night for the next few months that they aren't going to be told to not show up anymore. Why? Because if they don't, they'll never learn. It's not even a matter of hindsight. A disaster like this occurs because of a large succession of failures. They need sufficient motivation to figure out where **** went wrong, and what they can do to prevent it from going wrong in the future. Saying "Good recovery" doesn't provide that motivation.

There needs to be an entire report written up. What were the warning signs? Why were the signs ignored? Why was production rushed to such a point that an obviously broken system went live? Why is there some sort of honest belief that negative criticism is invalid because the players are too stupid to tell the difference between "Different" and "Total Garbage"? (Hint: When you point out actual flaws, odds are REALLY good it's not because it's 'different'. That's a freebie). Who did their job right? Who didn't do their job right?

Seriously. When you add in a feature that generates SEVERAL comment threads over 50 pages long of people complaining about how much your 'feature' sucks, it's time to act like you're the FAA investigating an airliner crash. CCP is too small and going in too many directions at once to afford every other patch being "incarna 2.0" because you rushed half-completed ill-conceived features from test to live. There comes a point when even the majority of apathetic players start cringing at "improvements" and start leaving for something else. If someone else released internet spaceships, incarna 3.0 will sink Eve.

We yell at you because we don't want ALL of you fired (only the really incompetent person that green-lighted moving unified inventory to live). We want you to learn from your mistakes. Learn that ignoring feedback because you think you know better isn't a way to make a consumer product. There's a difference making a product no one knew they wanted (think iPod) or making a product that everyone already told you they don't want. I know, I know. It's a subtle difference. Like the difference between a lighter and a nuclear explosion. Products that consumers didn't know they wanted meet with great success when introduced to a test group (Think: Test server). Where as your Unified Inventory was met with pretty much outright hostility. Or how about that last week or so of comments before Inferno went live where people were BEGGING you to not move the Unified Inventory to live? Seriously. HOW do you miss **** like that? That goes beyond incompetence, and into willful ignorance or possibly a direct attack against CCP. I'd look at whoever pushed it through with a great deal of suspicion. If I was in charge, I would fire them for malicious activity and probably hire someone to investigate their activities at the company for the last year or so to see if they were willfully stupid or outright malicious.

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Not too bad. Very few words got censored. I'm getting better :D

I'm very pleased with the speed of the updates and the work you guys are putting into progressing the new UI to a high standard.
I just wanted to thank everyone on the dev team for finally listening to the community (even if it took some cage rattling) and special thanks to CCP Soundwave for keeping us constantly up to date with the many blogs and forum posts.

I will paste my list of desired "fixes" from the previous threads and keep it up to date so it does not get lost:

Requested Features/Changes:

• Corp role/titles access. I haven't tested this effectively but from what I hear the issues has not been resolved!!!!
• Double clicking ships should open the cargoholds, not make the ship active.
• Double clicking POS arrays/labs should approach and then open the said array as it did before.
• There is (still) no way to open the cargohold of a ship in a corp hangar. The broken "open cargo" is gone from the contextual menu.
• Different windows in different locations should have persistent parameters. The parameters include: Size, location, pinned state, tree view, grouping (merged with other windows), sorting, view (Icon, details, list), columns. - Partially being fixed on Friday. Will update after patch.
• Detachable tree would be awesome.
• Separate buttons that you can add to neocom for different windows which open in a separate window if accessed via shortcuts (keyboard or icon) with remembered states. These include: Ships, Items, Corp Hangar, Deliveries, Cargo, Dronebay, but the more the merrier. Let us choose... if you can add buttons/shortcuts for Fuel bays, POS Arrays, Ore holds, etc. great. Possibly have the tree open only the relevant list (i.e. corp hangar divisions when opening corp hangar with all others collapsed)
• Speed, Optimization, Efficiency - Corp hangar is still slow and takes forever to load/populate the tree with divisions
• Speed, Optimization, Efficiency - Yesterday my corpmate had to use the corp assets window to retrieve recently bought items as the deliveries window was not updating or showing the items.
• Drag selecting items only shows selection after releasing the mouse. It should show highlights during the selection process, not after.
• There should be an option to open windows in a separate view when using any method other than navigating the Unified Inventory UI. If the option is selected, double clicking wrecks, ships cargobays, pos arrays, etc. etc. should open a NEW window just like with shorcuts.
• ISK Values... if this data is available, why is it not viewable in a column like the meta levels?
• Have a small icon on top to toggle additional information like ISK Values to save space and time.
• Naming convention... what works in one view doesn't work in another. Please rename tabs after ship/hangar/division name (i.e.
• "Blueprint Hangar" instead of "Corporation hangars > Blueprints Hangar"). Reason for this is when you have many tabs the actual names that identify the tabs get cut out.
• If possible have filters or search option that searches across the entire available inventory in your station so when using UI you dont have to check 7 divisions, and 50 cans to find a specific item whether it is in your personal or corp hangars.
• Allow filtering of the tree, such as just viewing corp hangars, certain containers, labs, wrecks, etc. Allow Custom sorting of the tree view. Fixed sorting as well.
• Display the fill bar over the tree view. This will help a lot of people to pick the right container, confirm a transfer of goods and notify them when something is there. Make this optional so that people that don't need it to get flooded with even more info causing more lag.
• It's very difficult to differentiate between different containers in the tree view. Listing the type of container and/or appropriate images (for ships as well) that can be toggled would go a long way to improve usability - Promised to be worked on.
• As mentioned before some sort of confirmation that you moved items to the right destination would be great. Fill indicator can do this, or a flash. Before with destination container open you could directly see the that items have been moved there.
• Right click menus on Orcas/Caps to access different bays. You can't deny the usability of having quick access to a specific bay when you need it rather than dealing with the tree clusterfck.
• Folders for filters. Persistent filters. More filters (skills trained, ship race/type). Transferable filters.
Someone mentioned in the original devblog post about the ease of interacting with the UI depending on it's size. Right now it's more difficult to drop items into a tree view as the destination's height is low and close together to other locations. Few cm above or below and you can drop the items in the wrong location. Having an option to detach and change tree view to something bigger or even an assortment of square boxes would counteract this annoyance. Something similar to how containers appear in your items hangar.

Allready Fixed:

• Active ship displayed in ship hangar view
• Packaged ships displayed in ship hangar view
• Opening POS arrays should remember the last division opened and open that instead of the 1st division.
• Looting a wreck/container opens the next wreck/container in range rather than your cargo.
• All the missing ships and items have been returned to me!
• Dragging to a "tab" of a window should drop stuff in there as it did before.

Thanks again and looking forward to the moment when I am finally able to login and use the new UI with great pleasure rather than lots of teeth grinding.
P.S. If anyone in the community would like to add to the list evemail me your suggestions.
EDIT: As per next poster aparently corp access roles have NOT been fixed. C'mon guys? Are you friggen serious? It's been a week!!!!

I disagree. CCP needs to treat this seriously and analyze what went wrong, so they don't continue repeating these mistakes in the future.

just glad to see CCP do the right things this time and I thought hearing it from one of their players would be a welcome thing in a sea of angry feedback.

They are not doing the right thing. That is the point.

The UI should have been rolled back within days of implementation.

They are doing the wrong thing, persevering with a mess on the live server.

If they had taken it back to the test server for a few months of problem solving, would anyone have missed it? Really?

Even the most extreme fanboy could have no complaint if this had happened, since no one was looking for a fix for something that wasn't broken.

[quote=Wilma Lawson
People who are asking to roll it back because they think it's like flipping a switch really don't understand how things work.

We won't stop until that happens.

We won't stop until that happens.

And you do?

Please tell us exactly why they can't do this. Really, we are keen to learn.

Remember we were told that they couldn't make walking in stations optional. They did make it optional, and they gave us 'the door'

They told us they couldn't bring back the old hangar view. They then brought back the old hangar view.

Then Hilmar told us they would listen in future..................

Oh look. Despite CCP pouring work into making the new inventory system better. People still feel the need to whine and moan on the forums.

Get a clue. The old system is not coming back. Your whining is pointless so be patient and wait for them to get these fixes out.

And keep providing suggestions.

GǪor do it in the conventional way: hover the item at the top/bottom of the list to scroll up and down, respectively.

Conventions are good for you.

I don't know how things work for CCP and for this particular patch, but I do know software development processes.

No, you don't.

It's probably very likely that CCP ****** with the database schema in order to get this crapfest ready, thus their reluctance to roll it back on top of their preexisting cowardliness when approaching problems. However, they can still roll it back because they can script the UI to only use the information it needs, and then add any missing fields back in.

I honestly don't know why the **** they're still pushing ahead with it. Nobody wants it, and I've found myself playing other games that have a working UI.

You're implementing yet another tree view for pos's? Did I read that right? Get it through your thick skull, I don't want a tree view!

Since rolling back isn't an option, what CCP should be looking to implement is 100% feature parity with the original interface. Then you should be looking to implement a check box to selectively enable new features at a granular level. The key here is selectively and with granular control. There may be times or specific instances where I want /SOME/ of these features enabled. I should be able to choose when that is appropriate, and on what accounts I think this is appropriate on. I'd use this new crap on a couple of accounts, but on my accounts with a significant amount of assets it's not practical in it's current state, and I fail to see why you can't understand this simple concept...

What I want to read in the next devblog is simply, we're implementing 100% feature parity with the old system, and allowing you to choose default behavior with granular control. If you're going to be wasting our valuable time alpha testing code on production servers, you might as well give us what we want and do it correctly.

Hope this helps,

~s~

lol, are you trying to say people play eve for the UI? the most hated aspect about part of eve since it's release? you must be rollin, the new UI isn't good yet, but the old items ui wasn't good either. not by a long shot.

Update!

We added some extra stuff today:

• We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar


• We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles

We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes!