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Count Helmchen
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:03:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: El Yatta
Why is the Ashimmu better at damage AND using its utility highs (uberneuts) than the Phantasm?
wrong
ashimmu deals 488dps (4x HPL II + 2x HS II)
phantasm deals 518dps (3x HPL II +2x HS II +3x Hob's II)
ashimmu get neuts , phantasm get drones
simple
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:11:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Count Helmchen
Originally by: El Yatta
Why is the Ashimmu better at damage AND using its utility highs (uberneuts) than the Phantasm?
wrong
ashimmu deals 488dps (4x HPL II + 2x HS II)
phantasm deals 518dps (3x HPL II +2x HS II +3x Hob's II)
ashimmu get neuts , phantasm get drones
simple
20 dps difference for uberneuts and uberwebs(which negate tracking more than 25% tracking bonus on phantasm)? hm....
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RedrickShoohart Joker
Susceptum
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:11:00 -
[93]
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Rattlesnake:
•Slot layout: 6 high, 7 med, 6 low slots, 4 launchers, no turrets
•Fittings: 710 CPU, 10000 powergrid
•Bonuses: pirate: 50% to cruise and torpedo missile velocity, Caldari battleship: +5% to all shield resistances per level, Gallente battleship: +10% to drone damage and hitpoints per level
•Hitpoints: 12750 shields, 9298 armor, 9962 hull
•Capacitor: 5312 capacitor, 1154.875s recharge (about 4.6 cap/s)
•Dronebay: 125m3 bandwidth, 400m3 dronebay
•Speed: 94m/s max velocity, 0.136 agility, 99,300,000kg
•Sensor: 75km targeting range, 7 locked targets, 100mm scan resolution, 30 gravimetric sensor strength, 460m signature radius
NO MORE LAUNCHER_BS INGAME, ty for that (
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:17:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
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Lets be honest, this new Bhaalgorn is a solowtfpwnmobile.
8 effective turret slots, and three extremely bonused neuts. It will web anything it can shoot
It is. And it will cost accordingly.
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I don't want solowtfpwnmobiles in EVE. It neuts like 2 Domis and DPSes like an Abaddon
No it doesnt DPS like an abaddon. It DPSes like an apoc. And no its not solowtfpwn mobile. Its good but putting 4-5 battleships on it will break it (unless you invest in full xtype stuff for reps). Still its easier to kill than kronos/shield tankers.
It also doesn't neut like 2 domi's, it neuts like 1,75 domi's. (75% bonus at Amarr BS 5)
It's powerful, and probably quite decent solo, but it's not indestructible.
It's pricetag will reflect it's capability, making it a rather expensive ship.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:21:00 -
[95]
I like daredevil tho. This one is a beast.
Taranis (1x magstab 3x neutron, 2x damage rigs) does around 300-340dps overheated (280ish without oh). Thats 4,5 effective turret. Daredevil can push it up to 400dps. Lmao.
If you are in sabre and see daredevil - RUN ;p
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Tom Hanks
Raype Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:24:00 -
[96]
I think your Bhaalgorn is a lot more how it should be. One thing to change. Give it an 8th high slot. You give it plenty of CPU (FINALLY) so please allow use of 8th high slot for one more heavy neut or nos, or even a cyno or something for calling in triage help.
Good changes. Pirate BS should be this good. I especially liked the 100% turret bonus with 4 turrets.
WHEN WILL THIS BE RELEASED/
Caldari Racial Purity
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wallenbergaren
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:26:00 -
[97]
Well, I think you guys made good points but I can't help but feel that the bonuses are a little too crazy. Especially compared to normal faction BSes
Navy Domi needs more drone bonuses
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:26:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Tom Hanks
I think your Bhaalgorn is a lot more how it should be. One thing to change. Give it an 8th high slot. You give it plenty of CPU (FINALLY) so please allow use of 8th high slot for one more heavy neut or nos, or even a cyno or something for calling in triage help.
I think it would be too good ;p Its already a beast
Quote:
WHEN WILL THIS BE RELEASED/
Dominion. So around december iirc
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:39:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Karlemgne
And the speculation has begun. Hardly any of these ships left on market.
That began three days ago.
/me eyes happily his rattlsnakes and bhalghorn
/me looks withering at the rubbish macharial
SKUNK
(o)
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:39:00 -
[100]
My gods, I was thinking you couldn't go much more OP than the navy Arma is planned to be, but these are monsters 
Not that I wouldn't enjoy flying each and every one of those, but this really looks just a little too much. Do they need to have a sensor strength and sig radius buffs to go along with their super-powered new bonuses/layouts for instance?
Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:45:00 -
[101]
I hate the emoticons on this forum but I went down the list and literally pulled a face at like every single one of these.
holy christ.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:51:00 -
[102]
Ok, i've had a bit more of a think and I think I've worked out my problem with them.
Lets look at the BS: they're going to be really really good at killing under-sized targets - Bhaalgorn with 20km neuts AND 20km webs - vindi with 90% web AND super tracking - gila with plenty of drone space for smalls+mediums AND 50% extra damage to them.
These pirate BS will be solo-pwnmobiles, not reliant on support, and CCP has always shied away from that.
What gives?
Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Gwynn Tolnesth
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Posted - 2009.09.12 12:53:00 -
[103]
Originally by: wallenbergaren
And the Gila
400m3 drone bay?
125 mbit/s bandwidth?
That's the same as the Navy Dominix for crying out loud, but it's a cruiser.
The myrmidon, which is one ship class higher, has 75 mbit/s and it doesn't have 3 bonuses.
You can't tell me with a straight face that a pirate cruiser should have the same drone capabilities as a Navy Dominix.
Ishtar
375m3 drone bay
125 mbit/s bandwidth
25 km drone range bonus
T2 resists
Half the price.
...I don't see the issue. 
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Schmell
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:06:00 -
[104]
Serious: looking at new bonuses...why not to give stasis webifier strength bonus to matari recons instead of tp?
Less serious: falloff bonus and mass & inertia reduction for tempest, bonus to drone damage instead of ac rof for typhoon? 
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:07:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Gypsio III on 12/09/2009 13:11:04
Originally by: Turiel Demon
Ok, i've had a bit more of a think and I think I've worked out my problem with them.
Lets look at the BS: they're going to be really really good at killing under-sized targets - Bhaalgorn with 20km neuts AND 20km webs - vindi with 90% web AND super tracking - gila with plenty of drone space for smalls+mediums AND 50% extra damage to them.
These pirate BS will be solo-pwnmobiles, not reliant on support, and CCP has always shied away from that.
What gives?
Well, you could say the same thing about the Domi - that has no problem killing a lot of small stuff. Although these BS are certainly powerful, they're still BS, with BS mobility (Machariel though?). They don't have the ease of dictation of engagement that old-style nano had, and will be tackled and killed.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:10:00 -
[106]
Wonder how fast will machariel be able to go. And will it be able to bump caps from docking range? ;p
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wallenbergaren
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:13:00 -
[107]
Edited by: wallenbergaren on 12/09/2009 13:14:00
Originally by: Gwynn Tolnesth
Originally by: wallenbergaren
And the Gila
400m3 drone bay?
125 mbit/s bandwidth?
That's the same as the Navy Dominix for crying out loud, but it's a cruiser.
The myrmidon, which is one ship class higher, has 75 mbit/s and it doesn't have 3 bonuses.
You can't tell me with a straight face that a pirate cruiser should have the same drone capabilities as a Navy Dominix.
Ishtar
375m3 drone bay
125 mbit/s bandwidth
25 km drone range bonus
T2 resists
Half the price.
...I don't see the issue.
I guess my issue is with the Navy Dominix
In my opinion it should be the premiere drone subcap in the game, and it doesn't have drone bonuses to distinguish it from anything else. It's a Domi with a meaner tank, which makes for a great ship but it's not all that interesting.
Navy Scorp had its bonuses altered, so why not the Domi? Extra drone? More damage? Bonus to underused drones like web drones? Bonus to sentry tracking? Heavy speed?
Something to distinguish it as the best drone carrier. With all these new wtfawesome ships a better drone boat is missing
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:13:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Linas IV on 12/09/2009 13:14:43
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
V. Angel Cartel:
Machariel:
òSlot layout: 8 high, 5 med, 7 low slots, 7 turrets, no launchers
òFittings: 600 CPU, 17950 powergrid
òBonuses: pirate: 25% bonus to large projectile rate of fire, Minmatar battleship: +5% to large projectile turret damage per level, Gallente battleship: +10% falloff to large projectile turrets per level
òHitpoints: 9317 shields, 9298 armor, 8260 hull
òCapacitor: 5800 capacitor, 1154.875s recharge (about 5.02 cap/s)
òDronebay: 100m3 bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay
òSpeed: 161m/s max velocity, 0.084 agility, 94,680,000kg
òSensor: 62km targeting range, 7 locked targets, 150mm scan resolution, 26 ladar sensor strength, 340m signature radius
Looking at the other Angel Ships, it seems the Macha should have more Medslots:
Please consider the Following Idea:
-Upgrade the Damage-Bonus to 7.5% per level (instead of 5%)
-Drop one Highslot and the 7th Turret
-Give it another Medslot
-Keep the rest of the Changes
(Slot layout: 7 high, 6 med, 7 low slots, 6 turrets, no launchers)
That would add a lot of Flexibilty, allow a weak Shield-Tank (Vaga-Style) and would get it on par with the others.
PLEASE 
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Schmell
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:16:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Wonder how fast will machariel be able to go. And will it be able to bump caps from docking range? ;p
They changed mass and agility. Base speed is the same
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:19:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/09/2009 13:18:58
TYPO?
Vigilant:
ò Bonuses: pirate: 75% to medium hybrid turret damage
Im assuming thats an error?
SKUNK
(o)
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CCP Oneiromancer
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:19:00 -
[111]
Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming.
Related to testing on Singularity, we will make the pirate and navy ships available to all (probably through the redeeming system), as we want these changes to be extensively tested. If internal testing goes well and nothing asplodes, we will release these changes on Singularity next week.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:21:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/09/2009 13:21:45
Originally by: Schmell
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Wonder how fast will machariel be able to go. And will it be able to bump caps from docking range? ;p
They changed mass and agility. Base speed is the same
... dumbo. mass comes into top speed equation. HEAVILY. Thus it will go much faster than now.
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming.
Related to testing on Singularity, we will make the pirate and navy ships available to all (probably through the redeeming system), as we want these changes to be extensively tested. If internal testing goes well and nothing asplodes, we will release these changes on Singularity next week.
O_o
Both new navy ships and faction? Or only faction?
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Gwynn Tolnesth
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:21:00 -
[113]
Originally by: wallenbergaren
I guess my issue is with the Navy Dominix
In my opinion it should be the premiere drone subcap in the game, and it doesn't have drone bonuses to distinguish it from anything else. It's a Domi with a meaner tank, which makes for a great ship but it's not all that interesting.
Navy Scorp had its bonuses altered, so why not the Domi? Extra drone? More damage? Bonus to underused drones like web drones? Bonus to sentry tracking? Heavy speed?
Something to distinguish it as the best drone carrier. With all these new wtfawesome ships a better drone boat is missing
I do agree with you on that. While the navy issue has a higher EHP, it's fairly "meh", considering you can fit up a neut Domi for probably about 1/10th of the price, with little real difference other than an extra utility mid slot.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:27:00 -
[114]
So Im looking thru them. I'm like DAMN they are buffing them to op.
Then I see what they did thar. Rattlesnake: dominix with missile. But wait... it's a missile velocity bonus. not dps in any way. Then 4 launchers. lol.
Vindicator... it's basically a kronos with higher hp but far less utility. Like 3 high slots to use, repper bonus and tracking bonus. I dunno how far the vindicator will go tbh.
bhaalgorn is made of win... but considering the fail it is now. About time.
Machariel to best sum it up... What makes it special? ò Speed: 161m/s max velocity, 0.084 agility, 94,680,000kg that isnt giving it nanobs capability? Nothing else really seems nice. Sure it's good... but it doesnt have that special oomph.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:29:00 -
[115]
holy ****, you've really boosted the hell out of these things
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:30:00 -
[116]
+1 to more careful tuning of web str bonus. I guess most of the boni should lead to web slowdown from 60% to 90%, depending on the vessel size/race - otherwise they're too similar wrt this.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:31:00 -
[117]
Are you blind? The Navy Domi is incredible. That extra midslot is extraordinarily powerful. It can do everything - max gank shield buffer tank with neutrons, armour tank with triple OTL or tracking disruptors, remote rep, project good DPS to good range, etc.
The rust on Minnie ships comes from the tears of Typhoon pilots upon seeing this ship and its "versatility".
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FURY EG
The Corrupt
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:33:00 -
[118]
Vindicator:
ò Slot layout: 8 high, 5 med, 7 low slots, 8 turrets, no launchers
ò Fittings: 630 CPU, 17500 powergrid
ò Bonuses: pirate: 25% to large hybrid turret damage, Gallente battleship: +7.5% to large hybrid turrets per level Fallof, lolz?, Minmatar battleship: +10% to velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level CRAP
ò Hitpoints: 8695 shields, 9298 armor, 10500 hull Yap. 10k hull is very usefull. CRAP
ò Capacitor: 6330 capacitor, 1154.875s recharge (about 5.48 cap/s) Not increased? CRAP
ò Dronebay: 125m3 bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay Even new Navythron has 150. CRAP
ò Speed: 121m/s max velocity, 0.0924 agility, 105,200,000kg Nerfed agility? I luv you. CRAP
ò Sensor: 50km targeting range, 7 locked targets, 100mm scan resolution, 28 magnetometric sensor strength, 400m signature radius 50km is too much for blasters, guys, make around 20. CRAP
Thanks, that made my favorite ship so crappy.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:37:00 -
[119]
If the Machariel supposed to be the most mobile BS, it would really make much more sense with a shield tank, so 6-6 meds-lows rather than 5-7.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:39:00 -
[120]
[Machariel, New Setup 2]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Bouncer II x4
lots of cpu left
24093.89/24681.25 pg
690 dps @ 36 + 86.8km (210 being drones)
~110k EHP
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[Megathron, RR]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Prototype I Sensor Booster, Targeting Range
Target Painter II
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge L
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Bouncer II x5
i'll stick to the megathron then; 700mil or so cheaper - granted, a lot less falloff but hey...
(yes projectiles suck that hard - but it'd be the first acceptable "falloff sniper" )
raise the damage bonus on projectile ships from 5% to (at least) 7.5% / lvl
cynabal = vaga with agility (!), lots of pg (?) and an extra rig slot -.-
i doubt the mid slot can make up for the desirable t2 resistances though
4 turrets with 10% bonus < 5turrets with 5% when looking at damage only. less fitting requirements, however, make me look at that pg again....? are you trying to suggest arties on this...? muninn can't even compete with a zealot unless you unrealistically theorycraft drones and missiles into the equation....
without speed mods but all-lvl-5 skills, mwd speed is 321+2523m/s, total speed with 2 overdrives (no need for nanofibres on this light-weight): 3600m/s
still thinking about falloff-arties...?
not sure if 5 medium drones on such a fast ship aren't too game breaking but i guess it's supposed to make up for the little dps. time for EC-600s i guess -.-
- btw, your cap/s values lack the derived x2.5 for peak recharge which the rest of eve always looks at
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