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NightmareX
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.13 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2009 12:48:56
 Originally by: BarfCo
I only fly Minmatar and minmatar related ships so a Bhaalgorn looks pretty good now but seeing the Machariel get nerved is a bit of a let down. With a minor speed boost comes the need for MORE tracking not less. Keep your silly fall-off and also a 7th turrets unbalances the LOOK of the ship it's 6 or 8 not 7 or 5. So keep that too and make it black again. It will be fine ones the ac's and arties get fixed.
If however dear Ytterbium you want to make yourself immortal you should consider making the Machariel fly the way it was designed to fly...
Whine whine whine and rabble rabble rabble.
Read THIS.
Yeah it's clearly a Machariel nerf. Rite guise ?.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 13/09/2009 13:14:24
Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2009 12:48:56
Originally by: BarfCo
I only fly Minmatar and minmatar related ships so a Bhaalgorn looks pretty good now but seeing the Machariel get nerved is a bit of a let down. With a minor speed boost comes the need for MORE tracking not less. Keep your silly fall-off and also a 7th turrets unbalances the LOOK of the ship it's 6 or 8 not 7 or 5. So keep that too and make it black again. It will be fine ones the ac's and arties get fixed.
If however dear Ytterbium you want to make yourself immortal you should consider making the Machariel fly the way it was designed to fly...
Whine whine whine and rabble rabble rabble.
Read THIS.
Yeah it's clearly a Machariel nerf. Rite guise?.
Very true, I don't think everyone realises what that 25% mass reduction actually means for that ship.
The boost in speed by ABs and MWDs is going to go up by a huge amount, it may not be much faster unboosted, but with either an AB or MWD this ship is going to be FAST.
Also acceleration depends a lot on mass and dropping 25% means this thing can align and accelerate to maximum speed much faster than any conventional battleship, it should also corner much better now.
It may not track as well as it did, but AC tracking isn't exactly horrid anyway, it'll just have issues with T2 ammo.
More fall-off will also mean that it effectively does more damage at it's normal ranges than before, since you're not as deep into falloff. Again, not a bad thing.
Granted, minmatar large projectiles need to be looked at, but this ship certainly isn't bad at all.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:14:00 -
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Bloody hell this thread is full of idiots. Liang, you have much more patience than I have.
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Lyta Jhonson
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:23:00 -
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Why none of new faction or pirate turret ships (except Navy Slicer) have optimal range bonuses? It's logical what falloff bonuses are better for close range turrets which prevail in solo fits and not many people are ready to risk their expensive toys in bigger fights, but still, one or two ships geared for medium-long range fights would be nice to have.
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 13/09/2009 13:24:29
Originally by: Gypsio III
Bloody hell this thread is full of idiots people that don't shoot at anything other than rats. Liang, you have much more patience than I have.
Fixed.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
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Lord Eremet
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:30:00 -
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If those joke guristas changes goes through I will sell my rattler.
Someone at ccp love droneboats thats for sure, but its not a main Caldari weapon, and shield resist bonus just screams OP.
I fail to see why the gallente should have 3 droneboats when they could just shieldtank the new navy dominix with its six meds, if thats what they wish.
These changes will give gallente 2 lines of pirate ships perfect for them and missile users will have none.
And as Liang pointed out its damage will be sub-par to a navy domi. But I guess thats ok for those who want to afk-run missions.
I could ofc accept a compromise. Remove the useless railgun bonus and give the gallente drone bonus to it but no increase in dronebay. You either use 3 heavy drones that can be killed or a mix of medium/light drones to kill tacklers. My point is drones should just remain a complement, and not become its primary weapon system.
Are guristas Caldari with some Gallente influences or is it a gallente line with some caldari influences?
Or just scrap this **** and go back to the drawing board, CCP.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2009.09.13 14:07:00 -
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Just one question. what about the unique ships? I see no mention of these.
The uniques except the new Freki and Mimir are going to be a bit poor compared to the faction ships when these changes go through 
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SSteejans
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Posted - 2009.09.13 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Merlonne
Am i the only one who thinks that changing the Phantasm from 3100 base shield to 2400 is a little bit too strong ?
no you arent.
the phantasm now has less hp than all the other cruisers.. 
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.09.13 14:35:00 -
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well some of my hangar ornaments might need to get the dust blown off.
not to be cliche ccp basher, but this should have been done when hacs were created.
the hurf blurf towards minmatar (by ccp, not ppl posting) is expected and just salt in the wound. mach should be faster, wtf falloff instead of tracking? just imo. the cynabal, whatever. oh, and lol @ not giving 3 turrets to the dramiel, good one. you should give them another missle hardpoint or something, and redo the design to something like this
blood ships need that love, the gila will be fun again. some ships look great here.
hey, is it true ccp isn't ignoring minmatar and they are actually going to major boost artillery and acs and thats why the ships dont need much change?
j/k, i know better than that
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Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.13 15:07:00 -
[340]
Rattlesnake needs 25-50% damage bonus to siege launchers please.
WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations.
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.09.13 15:14:00 -
[341]
And a square peanut requires more cowbell.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.13 15:19:00 -
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Seriously, CCP Ytterbium, are those Guristas bonuses typed correctly? The Gila and Rattlesnake look absolutely lethal on those descriptions. 
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Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.13 15:56:00 -
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can you please run the numbers before saying that crapp? rattlesnake is nice but not better than a navy dominix for x3 the price.
WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations.
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Tessen
Stellar Tide
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Posted - 2009.09.13 15:56:00 -
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/me Love her new Rattle aka Dominix passive Shield tank + Missiles.
The perfect mission ship.
Thx so much, this is perfect. |
Dungheap
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.09.13 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dungheap on 13/09/2009 16:32:43
Originally by: Lord Eremet
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
III. Guristas:
lot of guristas change me not like
I see you make my Rattlesnake a Dominix in disguise. Thats a very poor idea when we already got a bs who do that and another on the way, the navy dominix.
I want the six launchers and torpedo damage bonus to remain. The only change I like is another medslot.
If I wanted to use drones specificly as my weapon I would fly a dominix. Given that the worthless hybrid bonus have to go but it would be enough to just give a drone bonus to the what the original already have to swat of tacklers.
Better ideas needed please.
You ideas to boost Guristas: 0/10
agreed. changing the gallente bonus' is good idea, but totally crippling the caldari side to do it's not.
the hookbill becomes the new, improved worm- great.
the worm changes to a strange ishkur clone. rather see it 3 launchers as before, 25 bandwidth/50 bay and a 5 km / lvl drone range bonus. this would keep it's long range role.
gila i don't know what to say.. sad to lose the launcher, but the drone bay / bandwidth is amazing. only it's rarity will keep the forums from filling with cries ala pre bandwidth myrmidon.
and the rattle, which i fly.. just depressing. it's a long-range missile ship. i have both bs skills to 5 and glad to see the unused hybrid bonus changed, but i think it's way skewed too much to the gallente side.
oh well.. hang that 5% / lvl shld resist bonus on there and half of eve's eyes glaze over.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.13 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tessen
/me Love her new Rattle aka Dominix passive Shield tank + Missiles.
The perfect mission ship.
Thx so much, this is perfect.
Lol, masochist much?
Slower missioner than a CNR, Navy Domi and Golem which all totally outclass it. Dps will suck bigtime in comparison to every faction and pirate bs, but hey YOU CAN TANK! Oh, and if you want any even slightly meaningfull usability out of it then you will have to fit torp range rigs, so no passive tanking for joo either.
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.09.13 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 13/09/2009 17:43:44
Originally by: Soporo
a complete waste in missions?
Stop talking about missions in relation to balancing ships.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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DevelDraic
Minmatar
People with Guns
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.09.13 17:54:00 -
[348]
Edited by: DevelDraic on 13/09/2009 17:55:42
Edited by: DevelDraic on 13/09/2009 17:54:26
CCP, can you make sure enough of these new ships can be pulled off off contracts to be able to test them on sisi , since none of the faction and pirate ships can be seeded on the normal market |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.13 18:11:00 -
[349]
CCP, can you please fix the CPU requirements of shield transporters so we don't end up armour tanking our shield-resist-bonused faction BS?
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.09.13 18:15:00 -
[350]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/09/2009 18:16:11
Originally by: Gypsio III
CCP, can you please fix the CPU requirements of shield transporters so we don't end up armour tanking our shield-resist-bonused faction BS?
Or better yet, give the resist bonus to shields and armor. 
-Liang
Ed: And I use "better" in the loosest sense. Shield transporters undoubtedly have broken fitting requirements. It would be good for the game to fix them. But I would greedily still want resist bonused armor and so many mids :)
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F0ssa
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.13 18:23:00 -
[351]
Take your filthy hands from my Phantasm !!
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Lilith Krell
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Posted - 2009.09.14 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Krell on 14/09/2009 11:58:05
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.09.14 12:17:00 -
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ok, so the macha graphically "cannibilizes" launcher hardpoints.
how many polygons are on the vindi/mega model? 
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Daria Sol
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:16:00 -
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Machariel:
• Bonuses: pirate: 25% bonus to large projectile rate of fire, Minmatar battleship: +5% to large projectile turret damage per level, Gallente battleship: +10% falloff to large projectile turrets and warp disruptor range per level
please
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:39:00 -
[355]
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
III. Guristas:
Gila:
òDronebay: 125m3 drone bandwidth, 400m3 drone bay
Rattlesnake:
òDronebay: 125m3 bandwidth, 400m3 dronebay
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Must be a typo, Gila has battleship drone bay?? lol
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:44:00 -
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In fact CCp is doing to the machariel what community was asking for the tempest.
If tempest could get the same mass reduction then it would be at least something we could hug and dream.
If projectiles get some love machariel will be a good ship. In fact will be a very powerful 1v1 ship.....
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.09.14 13:50:00 -
[357]
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
I. Sansha's Nation:
Sansha's Nation need some little tweaks to bring it in line with the other faction changes:
Succubus:
òHitpoints: 609 shields, 544 armor, 517 hull
òCapacitor: 435 capacitor, 234.48s recharge (about 1.85 cap/s)
òSensor: 32km targeting range, 5 locked targets, 650mm scan resolution, 13 radar sensor strength, 35m signature radius
Phantasm:
òHitpoints: 2434 shields, 2175 armor, 2065 hull
òCapacitor: 1695 capacitor, 491.25s recharge (about 3.45 cap/s)
òSensor: 59km targeting range, 7 locked targets, 275mm scan resolution, 20 radar sensor strength, 130m signature radius
Nightmare:
òHitpoints: 9735 shields, 8695 armor, 8260 hull
òCapacitor: 6950 capacitor, 1154.845s recharge (about 6.02 cap/s)
òSensor: 80km targeting range, 7 locked targets, 100mm scan resolution, 28 radar sensor strength, 400m signature radius
As long time sansha ship pilot, I think these are fair enough. Improved range,res ans sensor str, better cap (yay), some shield lost, meh.
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Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2009.09.14 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Eremet
If those joke guristas changes goes through I will sell my rattler.
Someone at ccp love droneboats thats for sure, but its not a main Caldari weapon, and shield resist bonus just screams OP.
I fail to see why the gallente should have 3 droneboats when they could just shieldtank the new navy dominix with its six meds, if thats what they wish.
These changes will give gallente 2 lines of pirate ships perfect for them and missile users will have none.
I could ofc accept a compromise. Remove the useless railgun bonus and give the gallente drone bonus to it but no increase in dronebay. You either use 3 heavy drones that can be killed or a mix of medium/light drones to kill tacklers. My point is drones should just remain a complement, and not become its primary weapon system.
Are guristas Caldari with some Gallente influences or is it a gallente line with some caldari influences?
Or just scrap this **** and go back to the drawing board, CCP.
Precisely. Serps are the mainly Gallente pirate faction, Guristas are the mainly Caldari pirate faction. The new Gurista ships are more Gallante than Gallente, with a shield tank and missile ship welded on top. Stupid and makes no sense with the backstory.
Glad to see people with a primarilly Caldari focus arriving at the same conclusion many Gallente focused pilots have.
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Mana Sanqua
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Posted - 2009.09.14 15:47:00 -
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Two points I'd like considered:
1) Reintroducing ships with a web bonus should be a no no. Why reduce the strength of webbers only to find that you need to put on several ships a webber bonus to make them work as intended. It should be one or the other, otherwise it will become that you just use ships with a web bonus or don't use webs at all.
2) The serpentis ships really demonstrate that blasters are no longer working as intended when in order to create a close range damage dealer EVERY ship needed a webber bonus. What about the hyperion? Feels a bit of a slap in the face to Gallente pilots who were once meant to be blaster experts, but will now realise that the only feasible method is to fly serpentis instead.
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:30:00 -
[360]
Originally by: SSteejans
Edited by: SSteejans on 12/09/2009 20:16:34
Originally by: Anslo
No Sansha's love :(
not no love.. the friggin succubus and phantasm both for a pretty hefty nerf.. like 20% reduced hp nerf.. what gives?!
edit: if you look at it the sansha cruiser and frig now have significantly less overall hp than any of the other faction ships.. why did they need to be nerfed to be "in line" with the other factions ships???
I agree. What gives with the HP nerf? Is CCP intentionally trying to make sansha ships suck? how about some extra powergrid/cpu for them? (and some better cap capacity!)
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