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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.12.10 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mahke on 10/12/2009 01:37:40 Edited by: Mahke on 10/12/2009 01:36:56 bah, haven't been paying attention to moon mineral market last few days, missed neo dropping as insanely low as it did before the spike .
Having just checked, poured a couple billion into fullerides as with new tech prices they are, again, trading at about reaction cost assuming towers take no fuel (lol).
edit: in for a penny, in for a pound I suppose. Sunk another 800mil in. Now someone reacting fullerides can get 10 isk or so per unit assuming free fuel, lol.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.11 00:05:00 -
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Hmm, looks like the SHC thread http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=30887&postorder=desc (Linkage) is so much more lively than this one
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Misaki Yuuko
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Posted - 2009.12.11 00:19:00 -
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Hai, I missed this and didn't have much liquid when it all started, however as I've stopped producing recentlly and I've all my slots free would like to know if I can profit in someway building T2 components nonstop and selling them either in 1-3 months time or on short term if there is a large gap between the stock of advanced reactions & components due to rampage manipulation and volatile market. Any suggestion without having to learn all the details?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.11 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Misaki Yuuko Any suggestion without having to learn all the details?
It changes from day to day, so in your particular case, I would advise SHORT batches for high turnover, while there's still some heavy price discrepancy between components and finished products... and you'll have to do the math every time again on each batch you start.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2009.12.11 01:21:00 -
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Quote: Hmm, looks like the SHC thread http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=30887&postorder=desc (Linkage) is so much more lively than this one Laughing
Warning Re: signal to noise ratio on this one - also postorder=desc made me think I was looking my mind.
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Count MonteCarlo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.11 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: EvilCheez
Warning Re: signal to noise ratio on this one - also postorder=desc made me think I was loosing my mind. They are very enthusiastic.
It's still fun though, a large portion of the people in that thread has never done anything like this before
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Melleia
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Posted - 2009.12.11 09:30:00 -
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Yeesh, Neo is flip flopping more than a....uhh...hot cheerleader on a beach with flip flops on?
I'm terrible at clever comparisons.
5m to the first one that makes me laugh.
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Ronaldo Carrare
RR Financial Services
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Posted - 2009.12.11 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Hmm, looks like the SHC thread http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=30887&postorder=desc (Linkage) is so much more lively than this one
You have to thank Turiel for this, he's attracted a lot of people into this. Watch out MD Elite, SHC is coming after you.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.12.11 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ronaldo Carrare
Originally by: Akita T Hmm, looks like the SHC thread http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=30887&postorder=desc (Linkage) is so much more lively than this one
You have to thank Turiel for this, he's attracted a lot of people into this. Watch out MD Elite, SHC is coming after you.
Be very afraid... the first step is the SHC Technetium Cartel, then comes SHCBank, and then... the world!
you'll have an easier time reading that thread like this if interested, dunno how you managed to get descending post order
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.13 11:37:00 -
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Now the question is, why doesn't somebody bloody educate the guys up north already as to how much Technetium will be worth eventually so they stop freakin' selling it for a pittance right now ?
It's not _that_ hard, really, just "lowest sell order at 100k/unit and no more questions"...
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Ronaldo Carrare
RR Financial Services
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Posted - 2009.12.13 11:50:00 -
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I've entered the market when Tech was 20k(just resubbed) and I have to say I agree with what you say. The last 2-3 days have been terrible.
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Skarii TuThess
Lansez Innovations
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Posted - 2009.12.13 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Now the question is, why doesn't somebody bloody educate the guys up north already as to how much Technetium will be worth eventually so they stop freakin' selling it for a pittance right now ?
It's not _that_ hard, really, just "lowest sell order at 100k/unit and no more questions"...
This is the problem with predicting people's behaviour ;)
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2009.12.13 13:11:00 -
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There is not many nanotransistors left to buy this side of 5k, but when people notice they've gone up 35% in 48 hours that may very well change.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.12.13 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Originally by: Akita T You know what's really funny in retrospect ? That guy who got kicked out of the CSM because he bought neodymium as "CCP insider tip". Look at neodymium now
Its not as high as I'd like it to be
Then why are you trying so hard to depress the price? Want more? Not a whine (I got out of neo a while back) just confused by the mixed messages.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Celtic industries The AsyIum
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Posted - 2009.12.13 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Now the question is, why doesn't somebody bloody educate the guys up north already as to how much Technetium will be worth eventually so they stop freakin' selling it for a pittance right now ?
It's not _that_ hard, really, just "lowest sell order at 100k/unit and no more questions"...
With Nanotransistors rising like they are now Tech really can't stay behind very long. Reacting them now is at something like 300% profit; Tech + Neo + Plat should be at least 120K put together to sustain the nanotrans price level at 4k, and demand dictates that nanotrans won't be dropping... Tech pretty much has to come up.
Nevertheless, it won't hurt to spread the Gospel of Technetius to the unwashed hordes of the North, I'll see what I can do...
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Natasha Nikolaev
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Posted - 2009.12.13 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Nikolaev on 13/12/2009 21:49:32 when prices are set to increase by many, many times their previous value the change always takes a while. People see item X selling for 10x what it used to sell for and they j*zz their pants, sell it and don't ask questions. Eventually, though, word gets 'round and prices go up to meet the actual demand.
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Lieutenant Obvious
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Now the question is, why doesn't somebody bloody educate the guys up north already as to how much Technetium will be worth eventually so they stop freakin' selling it for a pittance right now ?
It's not _that_ hard, really, just "lowest sell order at 100k/unit and no more questions"...
I've been trying. Unfortunately those who hold the purses don't care that much as long as they get constant cash.
"There's no such thing as opportunity cost" :(
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.12.14 08:41:00 -
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Market trivia for the history books: Technetium is now more expensive than Promethium, and should pass Dysprosium in a couple of days. ----------------------------------------
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lieutenant Obvious "There's no such thing as opportunity cost" :(
They actually said that to you?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:33:00 -
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Lieutenant Obvious "There's no such thing as opportunity cost" :(
They actually said that to you?
I have a decades experience in financial analysis in RL, and i can assure you many people believe that in real life. So why should eve be different?
Just hold on to the material and sell in a few months, or if have cash, buy more stock and help drive the price to the "correct" level. Just be real sure your "correct" level is correct.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: BlondieBC
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Lieutenant Obvious "There's no such thing as opportunity cost" :(
They actually said that to you?
I have a decades experience in financial analysis in RL, and i can assure you many people believe that in real life. So why should eve be different?
Just hold on to the material and sell in a few months, or if have cash, buy more stock and help drive the price to the "correct" level. Just be real sure your "correct" level is correct.
So, to get this right:
We have this huge nerd game where a lot of people suck in math and economics.
And we have a real world, with a quite lower rate of nerds, and they also suck at math and economics. If not even more.
shocking.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 14/12/2009 21:55:18 Yea but one thing you neglected to state was that atleast in the real world, where I agree we all suck at math, we can simply create cash out of thin air. That way our crappy math skills aren't as relevant as they are ingame |
BlondieBC
Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness Edited by: Jovialmadness on 14/12/2009 21:55:18 Yea but one thing you neglected to state was that atleast in the real world, where I agree we all suck at math, we can simply create cash out of thin air. That way our crappy math skills aren't as relevant as they are ingame
Only the rich, uber elite can print cash.
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:43:00 -
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I believe the rise in low end moon metals has been understated.
Assumptions:
1) Sov changes will mean that the marginal moon mining POS is in 0.0, and the owners will need to make a profit.
2) Jump Freighters are used to move the goods to empire. JF cost around 4 bills.
3) I assume that to justify using a 4 billion isk ship, we need to charge the POS operation 100 million per month. I also assume that 200 million is the minimum needed. A POS cost 50 million per month in fuel to run.
Therefore, the marginal owner needs 350m per month is gross revenue. This translates to 4800 per unit selling price.
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URSODMB
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:51:00 -
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So lots of tech moons are switching hands lately from nc to tri/co2 etc etc......c'mon guys go make a cartel and drive that price up allready!
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2009.12.15 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tiberizzle on 15/12/2009 01:55:27
Originally by: BlondieBC I believe the rise in low end moon metals has been understated.
Assumptions:
1) Sov changes will mean that the marginal moon mining POS is in 0.0, and the owners will need to make a profit.
2) Jump Freighters are used to move the goods to empire. JF cost around 4 bills.
3) I assume that to justify using a 4 billion isk ship, we need to charge the POS operation 100 million per month. I also assume that 200 million is the minimum needed. A POS cost 50 million per month in fuel to run.
Therefore, the marginal owner needs 350m per month is gross revenue. This translates to 4800 per unit selling price.
So what you're saying is that if we assume production costs are arbitrarily higher than in the past, then we can conclude they are undervalued? Excellent deduction, I am buying Jita out of R8 as we speak!!11
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xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.15 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberizzle So what you're saying is that if we assume production costs are arbitrarily higher than in the past, then we can conclude they are undervalued? Excellent deduction, I am buying Jita out of R8 as we speak!!11
I don't think that the production cost itself is higher now than in the past. What differs from the past is POS is now decoupled from SOV that no alliance is mining moon goo @ loss. That leads R8 and even R4's value to become slightly over small POS's fuel cost, whether CCP has intended this or not from dominion. So the seemingly increased production cost is actually from alliances refusing to lose anymore.
Well, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that...
Just one thing I'd like to add is, buying R8 and R4 would not dent hard on your wallet although I doubt anyone w/ sane mentality would still look for Tech/Neo...
Plus, Producing Carbide/Carbonide will make you happy for a while ... perhaps even decent while in the future. B4 Dominion, producing two batches of carbides w/ two large towers + 2 x R4, 1 x R8 nets you at least around 300m.
Now it jumps up to what, a bit less than 1bn?
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2009.12.15 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: xylopia
Originally by: Tiberizzle So what you're saying is that if we assume production costs are arbitrarily higher than in the past, then we can conclude they are undervalued? Excellent deduction, I am buying Jita out of R8 as we speak!!11
I don't think that the production cost itself is higher now than in the past. What differs from the past is POS is now decoupled from SOV that no alliance is mining moon goo @ loss. That leads R8 and even R4's value to become slightly over small POS's fuel cost, whether CCP has intended this or not from dominion. So the seemingly increased production cost is actually from alliances refusing to lose anymore.
Well, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that...
Just one thing I'd like to add is, buying R8 and R4 would not dent hard on your wallet although I doubt anyone w/ sane mentality would still look for Tech/Neo...
Plus, Producing Carbide/Carbonide will make you happy for a while ... perhaps even decent while in the future. B4 Dominion, producing two batches of carbides w/ two large towers + 2 x R4, 1 x R8 nets you at least around 300m.
Now it jumps up to what, a bit less than 1bn?
It wasn't really the implied direction of the trend I took issue with, so much as the fact that he pulled some unjustifiable numbers straight from his ass and then derived an estimate of cost from them. "Some mining towers will effectively cost more now that they are not dual purposed for sov, and so I think low rarity moon goo is going to see an increase in value" would have been a valid statement that didn't bury its point in arbitrary figures.
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: URSODMB So lots of tech moons are switching hands lately from nc to tri/co2 etc etc......c'mon guys go make a cartel and drive that price up allready!
At the risk of being contrarian, there are too many moons to make a cartel. They are not like Dyspro, there are more of them. I personally don't believe the moon numbers in this thread either. I think they are low. We will see in the next few weeks how demand hits.
Also, current T2 prices make Strategic Cruisers a viable alternative on the high end of the scale to HACS for example and other ships. So unlike in the past, T2 prices can only go so high before T3 begins to cut in. A 250m HAC is impossible pretty much, a 150m HAC makes people think a bit about T3, in the 100m range people will go T2 without thinking about it. This places a strong limiting factor on T2. This could cut the head off the high end market entirely.
I also think other moons are starting to pull into equilibrium with the market. We should start to see fairly soon a few of them showing a sustainable price.
So this begs the question, what happens if none of the high ends reach 100% usage? It could happen depending on T2 demand. But meh...what do I know, I might be trying to talk tech down. I am telling the truth, but if you want to know for yourself, do your own analysis. My bet is still in the 10-15k range long term. Could be wrong.
I have a new game. Find the bottleneck.
Merry X-mas.
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