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PinkFish
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:02:00 -
[1171]
 Originally by: Gnulpie
Technetium price is at the moment purely driven by speculators and not by demand.
Why?
Because the products like platinum technite and to a much lesser degree fluxed condensates are a lot cheaper than their components. If there would be a high demand from manufacturers then especially the PT would be bought off already a good while ago.
This is true but not in the way you think. Speculators like AkitaT are responsible for holding the price down.
Speculators were largely driven from Technetium for a while by the bot attempt to crash the market. When Tech shot back up to 75k there was very little activity from speculators buying in. We watched all stockpiles released at 75k slowly chip away due to normal demand with a minimum influx of new Tech. Now the stockpiles at 85k will slowly chip away so that in another month or two Tech will be bottom heavy again and ready to spike. This is the new cycle until either stocks run out and Tech shoots to the moon or 0.0 becomes peaceful care-bear land again and supply increases.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:55:00 -
[1172]
You're right in that the latest tech bump is speculation driven. Someone went and dumped 30b+ on tech that is going to end up right back on sell orders, if it hasn't already.
However, I would also say that 39k is a good price to buy plat tech at to hold for the medium or even long term.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.21 19:00:00 -
[1173]
Edited by: Akita T on 21/02/2011 19:04:39
Well, it took a while but somebody just bought out my 1 mil at 85k 
Lemme check who...
Hmm, seems it was 11 people over the course of 7 hours, with two larger purchasers getting 85% of it (~50% on the earlier purchaser, ~35% on the last one).
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Tanaka Kharn
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Posted - 2011.02.21 19:12:00 -
[1174]
Conspiracy I tell you. All 11 were in it together.makr my wordys
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Isa Lynn
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:02:00 -
[1175]
maybe a bit off topic, but then again it was mentioned earlier in this thread (page 3 or so I believe), but anyone notice the Chromium change in price? what's up with this?
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Wabs
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:42:00 -
[1176]
nomnomnom, my little tech pile is making me happy! hehe, WHERE WILL IT END?!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.23 18:57:00 -
[1177]
Originally by: Wabs
nomnomnom, my little tech pile is making me happy! hehe, WHERE WILL IT END?!
Somewhere around 120k most likely, but a short-term peak of around 150k or even higher might be possible at some time in the future.
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Drakus
Minmatar
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.23 22:15:00 -
[1178]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Wabs
nomnomnom, my little tech pile is making me happy! hehe, WHERE WILL IT END?!
Somewhere around 120k most likely, but a short-term peak of around 150k or even higher might be possible at some time in the future.
Heh, just last night I was saying 120k by June in corp chat :) Glad to see that I'm not crazy :) |
Zenon Mu
Advanced Assemblies and Sciences
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Posted - 2011.02.23 23:00:00 -
[1179]
The Tech price is slowly but steadily climbing to dys-prom heights... but only stable if the wider bottleneck is carried by sales increases of the T2 ships market. The trade volumes of advanced materials don't indicate a demand increase of T2 ships, random looks at various T2 ships do not show a significant increase in demand either. So, was my research or my thoughtprocess not thorough enough?
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StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.02.24 10:06:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: Zenon Mu
The Tech price is slowly but steadily climbing to dys-prom heights... but only stable if the wider bottleneck is carried by sales increases of the T2 ships market. The trade volumes of advanced materials don't indicate a demand increase of T2 ships, random looks at various T2 ships do not show a significant increase in demand either. So, was my research or my thoughtprocess not thorough enough?
Are there products in the t2 ship BOM that have decreased in price and need? - I think there are..... However - the further down the chain you go the longer it takes for prices to increase. You see this in Tech prices increasing on day #1 and fullerides eventually increasing on day # 5.
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Queen Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:33:00 -
[1181]
Ooops.... Looks like its Going the Wrong Way
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Tanaka Kharn
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:47:00 -
[1182]
Gona crash sell sell sell
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:55:00 -
[1183]
Originally by: Queen Athena
Ooops.... Looks like its Going the Wrong Way
With regard to your predictions, it certainly is:
From roughly a year ago
Originally by: Queen Athena
I also noticed that, there are a small group of people who keep trying to pull the price up with 2k, 5k orders. But the price keeps falling.
It has been mentioned in some trade chat channels that there were hundreds of investors who bought in at 35k and 36k and are holding their stocks. So even if the price were to go up, there will be another flood of Technetium on the market around that mark.
I feel truly sorry for those who listened to Akita after the initial rise. Akita made tons of isk, but on the back of hundreds of players who thought 40k or 60k was just the start. It goes to show that with enough isk, even moon goo can be manipulated.
I never worked out if you were serious, though, or just part of Lord Xsi???'s attempt to pick up a bunch on the cheap.
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Queen Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:04:00 -
[1184]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Queen Athena
Ooops.... Looks like its Going the Wrong Way
With regard to your predictions, it certainly is:
From roughly a year ago
Originally by: Queen Athena
I also noticed that, there are a small group of people who keep trying to pull the price up with 2k, 5k orders. But the price keeps falling.
It has been mentioned in some trade chat channels that there were hundreds of investors who bought in at 35k and 36k and are holding their stocks. So even if the price were to go up, there will be another flood of Technetium on the market around that mark.
I feel truly sorry for those who listened to Akita after the initial rise. Akita made tons of isk, but on the back of hundreds of players who thought 40k or 60k was just the start. It goes to show that with enough isk, even moon goo can be manipulated.
I never worked out if you were serious, though, or just part of Lord Xsi???'s attempt to pick up a bunch on the cheap.
Considering there is millions of units worth of speculation still at large... And Technetium itself is completely worthless unless reacted, I am going to say that the price is still being largely propped up by players with tons of money. Buying tech off the market doesnt eliminate it from the game, and more is produced every hour. Buying it just keeps it out of the hands of reactors for a short time.
And my predictions, if you follow market history were almost always spot on with a large market retraction. The fact that Akita and you said Tech would be at 150 by now, and over 100 by last April would indicate that we are much closer to my prediction of 30-40k, then my subsequent predictions of 40-60 are much much closer.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. And the house just got another 270k sell order dropped on it at 90k.
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Wabs
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:07:00 -
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last post made me lol, no way is dropping to 60k anytime soon... hahaha
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Queen Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:09:00 -
[1186]
Edited by: Queen Athena on 24/02/2011 14:10:18
Originally by: Wabs
last post made me lol, no way is dropping to 60k anytime soon... hahaha
1milion units dropped at 88k... dont eat your words
EDIT: Never said it was going BACK to 60k... said my predictions have been much closer than the 150k we were supposed to see by now
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:12:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: Queen Athena
Considering there is millions of units worth of speculation still at large... And Technetium itself is completely worthless unless reacted, I am going to say that the price is still being largely propped up by players with tons of money. Buying tech off the market doesnt eliminate it from the game, and more is produced every hour. Buying it just keeps it out of the hands of reactors for a short time.
And my predictions, if you follow market history were almost always spot on with a large market retraction. The fact that Akita and you said Tech would be at 150 by now, and over 100 by last April would indicate that we are much closer to my prediction of 30-40k, then my subsequent predictions of 40-60 are much much closer.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. And the house just got another 270k sell order dropped on it at 90k.
Oh no! Not 270k! Have you been following the market recently? It had 1mil units (in a single order) dumped on it at 85k. That lasted two weeks before the price broke upwards again.
I don't believe I made any predictions myself but according to you, back in January last year, the price had peaked and the only way was down (your preidction was 12k long term  http://eve-search.com/thread/1207775/page/25). But way to argue that this prediction was more accurate than the prediction that it would keep rising until over 100k. that's ... impressive, in a way.
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Queen Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:32:00 -
[1188]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Queen Athena
Considering there is millions of units worth of speculation still at large... And Technetium itself is completely worthless unless reacted, I am going to say that the price is still being largely propped up by players with tons of money. Buying tech off the market doesnt eliminate it from the game, and more is produced every hour. Buying it just keeps it out of the hands of reactors for a short time.
And my predictions, if you follow market history were almost always spot on with a large market retraction. The fact that Akita and you said Tech would be at 150 by now, and over 100 by last April would indicate that we are much closer to my prediction of 30-40k, then my subsequent predictions of 40-60 are much much closer.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. And the house just got another 270k sell order dropped on it at 90k.
Oh no! Not 270k! Have you been following the market recently? It had 1mil units (in a single order) dumped on it at 85k. That lasted two weeks before the price broke upwards again.
I don't believe I made any predictions myself but according to you, back in January last year, the price had peaked and the only way was down (your preidction was 12k long term http://eve-search.com/thread/1207775/page/25). But way to argue that this prediction was more accurate than the prediction that it would keep rising until over 100k. that's ... impressive, in a way.
I sure was wrong about 12k... I was wrong about 30-40k too... but your insane if you think Tech will be as scarce as Dyspro was at least not until we see the days of 100k logged in.
Considering Akita predicted 150k in a couple months no problem, and a rise to over 200k here Linkage
You people make me F-ing laugh trying to keep this price up. Fairly obvious all the Tech that disappeared over the last week is about to end up on the market soon fighting that price back down... Head and Shoulders isn't just a shampoo my friend.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:44:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: Queen Athena
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Queen Athena
Considering there is millions of units worth of speculation still at large... And Technetium itself is completely worthless unless reacted, I am going to say that the price is still being largely propped up by players with tons of money. Buying tech off the market doesnt eliminate it from the game, and more is produced every hour. Buying it just keeps it out of the hands of reactors for a short time.
And my predictions, if you follow market history were almost always spot on with a large market retraction. The fact that Akita and you said Tech would be at 150 by now, and over 100 by last April would indicate that we are much closer to my prediction of 30-40k, then my subsequent predictions of 40-60 are much much closer.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. And the house just got another 270k sell order dropped on it at 90k.
Oh no! Not 270k! Have you been following the market recently? It had 1mil units (in a single order) dumped on it at 85k. That lasted two weeks before the price broke upwards again.
I don't believe I made any predictions myself but according to you, back in January last year, the price had peaked and the only way was down (your preidction was 12k long term http://eve-search.com/thread/1207775/page/25). But way to argue that this prediction was more accurate than the prediction that it would keep rising until over 100k. that's ... impressive, in a way.
I sure was wrong about 12k... I was wrong about 30-40k too... but your insane if you think Tech will be as scarce as Dyspro was at least not until we see the days of 100k logged in.
Considering Akita predicted 150k in a couple months no problem, and a rise to over 200k here Linkage
You people make me F-ing laugh trying to keep this price up. Fairly obvious all the Tech that disappeared over the last week is about to end up on the market soon fighting that price back down... Head and Shoulders isn't just a shampoo my friend.
As opposed to the million unit order and the 270K order that are set way below market price, in fact they are barely above BUY order price, they are DEFINITELY not manipulation attempts .. oh no .. lol
Please, there are people that want to see the price drop (like you) just as much as those that want to see it rise, but it has almost constantly been pushed up, up, up, indicating that supply/demand is falling on the side of the argument that you are not on ;)
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Tanaka Kharn
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:47:00 -
[1190]
really its that obvious ?
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Queen Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:50:00 -
[1191]
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Queen Athena
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Queen Athena
Considering there is millions of units worth of speculation still at large... And Technetium itself is completely worthless unless reacted, I am going to say that the price is still being largely propped up by players with tons of money. Buying tech off the market doesnt eliminate it from the game, and more is produced every hour. Buying it just keeps it out of the hands of reactors for a short time.
And my predictions, if you follow market history were almost always spot on with a large market retraction. The fact that Akita and you said Tech would be at 150 by now, and over 100 by last April would indicate that we are much closer to my prediction of 30-40k, then my subsequent predictions of 40-60 are much much closer.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. And the house just got another 270k sell order dropped on it at 90k.
Oh no! Not 270k! Have you been following the market recently? It had 1mil units (in a single order) dumped on it at 85k. That lasted two weeks before the price broke upwards again.
I don't believe I made any predictions myself but according to you, back in January last year, the price had peaked and the only way was down (your preidction was 12k long term http://eve-search.com/thread/1207775/page/25). But way to argue that this prediction was more accurate than the prediction that it would keep rising until over 100k. that's ... impressive, in a way.
I sure was wrong about 12k... I was wrong about 30-40k too... but your insane if you think Tech will be as scarce as Dyspro was at least not until we see the days of 100k logged in.
Considering Akita predicted 150k in a couple months no problem, and a rise to over 200k here Linkage
You people make me F-ing laugh trying to keep this price up. Fairly obvious all the Tech that disappeared over the last week is about to end up on the market soon fighting that price back down... Head and Shoulders isn't just a shampoo my friend.
As opposed to the million unit order and the 270K order that are set way below market price, in fact they are barely above BUY order price, they are DEFINITELY not manipulation attempts .. oh no .. lol
Please, there are people that want to see the price drop (like you) just as much as those that want to see it rise, but it has almost constantly been pushed up, up, up, indicating that supply/demand is falling on the side of the argument that you are not on ;)
Come on, we have seen tech up this high before, only to be squashed back down... there is no stability in this market, you cant believe that this is just demand pushing the price up... a steady, almost linear increase, sure thats demand... a bouncing ball that always seems to fall just as fast as it rises is clear manipulation. The guy who dropped the million unit order is probably trying to get out before the crash.
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Tanaka Kharn
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:52:00 -
[1192]
No he isn't
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:59:00 -
[1193]
Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 24/02/2011 14:59:40
Originally by: Queen Athena
Come on, we have seen tech up this high before, only to be squashed back down... there is no stability in this market, you cant believe that this is just demand pushing the price up... a steady, almost linear increase, sure thats demand... a bouncing ball that always seems to fall just as fast as it rises is clear manipulation. The guy who dropped the million unit order is probably trying to get out before the crash.
What are you blabbering on about? Tech has never been this high so I can only assume you mean "we've seen it go high then fall again" but that's not exactly strange - it'd be strange if it ONLY went up, but going up by X% and then dropping a bit as people cash in is EXPECTED. The TREND, however, is up. Look at the year long graph and tell me you think that is a 'bouncing ball' .. I understand you have your own reasons for wishing to push the "tech will fall" agenda, maybe you are a producer or something, but come on at least try and say something sensible that doesn't contradict actual facts.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:59:00 -
[1194]
It all boils down to "How many tech moons exist?".
If it is considerably more (>30%) than 350-400 then the demand is currently not enough to gobble up the supply.
If there are around 350-400 tech moons, then the demand is at least as large as the supply.
Unless you have the true numbers, it is all up to you what you want to believe.
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Queen Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:03:00 -
[1195]
Originally by: Gnulpie
It all boils down to "How many tech moons exist?".
If it is considerably more (>30%) than 350-400 then the demand is currently not enough to gobble up the supply.
If there are around 350-400 tech moons, then the demand is at least as large as the supply.
Unless you have the true numbers, it is all up to you what you want to believe.
This is the only truth in this market
Period
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:03:00 -
[1196]
Oh look .. the order is gone. Guess the attempt to push price down wasn't so successful as nobody followed the order down huh, so now it's been put back to 100K. lol
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Wabs
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:06:00 -
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had the discussion about how many moons there are before, think its 320 or so but thats just what i remember from old topics. Also not all the tech that is harvested is ending up in jita, NC build their own t2 ships to keep the price down. All those ships are not in the jita numbers but are using up tech.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:18:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Wabs
Edited by: Wabs on 24/02/2011 15:07:07
had the discussion about how many moons there are before, think its 320 or so but thats just what i remember from old topics. Also not all the tech that is harvested is ending up in jita, NC build their own t2 ships to keep the price down. All those ships are not in the jita numbers but are using up tech.
edit: what? is it at 100k now? lol! im at work, cant log in now.... 
No I meant the 1mill unit order was put back in price to 100K. It was just a blatantly obvious attempt to push the price down, but no other orders followed it down. Well, maybe the 270K order did if that was someone else, but I think it was the same person and they lost about 40K units at a cheap price for the failed effort.
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Wabs
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:25:00 -
[1199]
didnt akita just sell 1.000.000 units at 85, and after that put a new one up @ 100k? thats what im thinking 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.24 16:04:00 -
[1200]
Edited by: Akita T on 24/02/2011 16:06:21
Originally by: Queen Athena
Originally by: Gnulpie
It all boils down to "How many tech moons exist?".
If it is considerably more (>30%) than 350-400 then the demand is currently not enough to gobble up the supply.
If there are around 350-400 tech moons, then the demand is at least as large as the supply.
Unless you have the true numbers, it is all up to you what you want to believe.
This is the only truth in this market
Period
Most accurate estimates I could find so far put the total technetium moon count somewhere between 370 and 410, with AT LEAST half of them concentrated in the north (or, well, regions with Guristas NPCs in general, not just "the north", includes Caldari lowsec areas), the rest spread out sparsely and randomly in the rest of the galaxy.
If anybody has any better data showing different (higher) numbers, please, bring it forward. I don't recall anybody ever doing that in the entire past year though.
Originally by: Wabs
didnt akita just sell 1.000.000 units at 85, and after that put a new one up @ 100k? thats what im thinking
1 mil at 50k a longer time ago, which held the upwards price course still for well over one week
several smaller bunches in between
1 mil at 85k, sold after they sat there for more than a couple of weeks
500k at 90k put up the day after the 85k priced ones sold, and itself sold almost overnight
500k at 100k, still up there
1 mil still in hangar
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