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corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.19 05:20:00 - [541] Originally by: Mahke My opinion, take with giant grain of salt: I think CCP has noticed already, are already planning whatever change they will make, but will take a long time to implement. Why? I think they dislike the current moon-minerals-come-from-static-moons paradigm. Its a non-dynamic point source resource that breaks with the ideology behind dominion (regardless of what you think about CCPs success or lack thereof of implementing that ideology). This means rather than a (relatively easy) rejiggering of ship recipes again (although we might see that as a short-term measure if tech hits 200k+/unit), they'll want to do something that allows for moon minerals to be generated or replaced by non moon sources. Given how well they did with dominion (thinking mining is viable at all, thinking that the best way to improve ratting was to make a few more generally bad anomalies spawn per system, etc), a non-static moon system with the same driving principle frightens me. A lot.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.12.19 05:31:00 - [542] Originally by: corestwo Given how well they did with dominion (thinking mining is viable at all, thinking that the best way to improve ratting was to make a few more generally bad anomalies spawn per system, etc), a non-static moon system with the same driving principle frightens me. A lot. 400m Hulks, here we come (again). Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.19 07:42:00 - [543] Whatever they'll do, I seriously doubt they'll be doing it before the summer of 2010 _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Melleia	Posted - 2009.12.19 10:51:00 - [544] What the hell, I leave to go see a movie and Tech is at 46k in Jita. I come back three hours later, it's up to 56k. I love you Akita. Thank god I didn't sell my stock before the movie 0.o
BlondieBC Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions	Posted - 2009.12.19 14:34:00 - [545] Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: corestwo Given how well they did with dominion (thinking mining is viable at all, thinking that the best way to improve ratting was to make a few more generally bad anomalies spawn per system, etc), a non-static moon system with the same driving principle frightens me. A lot. 400m Hulks, here we come (again). I remember a friend losing a 1 bill hulk.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.12.19 17:19:00 - [546] Originally by: Melleia What the hell, I leave to go see a movie and Tech is at 46k in Jita. I come back three hours later, it's up to 56k. I love you Akita. Thank god I didn't sell my stock before the movie 0.o Better you keep your stock a bit longer. Also have some watchful eye on the platinum technite. Sometimes you can make a good bargain there.
info specialist	Posted - 2009.12.19 18:21:00 - [547] Originally by: Akita T There's plenty of stockpiles of every "low use" moon mineral out there... soon after prices go up enough, somebody in charge of those stockpiles will find a way to get them to the market and fill most of the high buy orders. That's why I said heavy up/down fluctuations even before the patch are nothing unusual... just make sure you buy on the downswing and sell on the upswing Perhaps the stockpiles were not nearly as deep as once thought. The Silicon Diborites and Sulfuric Acids have maintained their new prices of about double what they were, and I suspect Ceramic Powder will be there shortly. If these supplies are not nearly as deep as we thought, and as pointed out the time it takes to get more reactions going and product to market, we could be in for very bumpy ride with these low end items.
BlondieBC Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions	Posted - 2009.12.19 21:57:00 - [548] Originally by: info specialist Perhaps the stockpiles were not nearly as deep as once thought. The Silicon Diborites and Sulfuric Acids have maintained their new prices of about double what they were, and I suspect Ceramic Powder will be there shortly. I spent 3 months accumulating 40 million units of low end metals. I believe from the trading pattern, that the reserve stock of any metal is less than 100 million units total, and probably less that 35 million units. Most players can make 10 or 20 million in null sec per hour, and most low end null sec moons are empty.
Kwa Zulu Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.20 06:21:00 - [549] It's nice to see tech prices still rising, and with very good reason I might say I'm curious whether CCP will nerf it somehow when the price goes above 100k
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.12.20 08:41:00 - [550] Originally by: Kwa Zulu It's nice to see tech prices still rising, and with very good reason I might say I'm curious whether CCP will nerf it somehow when the price goes above 100k I'd be very surprised if they do anything at all before the market has had time to settle. perhaps if Tech is still crazy high in 6 months or so they will make a change but I wouldn't bet on one before then. --------------------------------------

Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.20 09:03:00 - [551] Do you guys think this is the week Fullerides will pass 1000 ISK/unit? They finally broke 900 this weekend. On a personal note, man it's feels good to be the guy that bought that **** at 200 ISK/unit.
Lieutenant Obvious Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.20 10:15:00 - [552] I've done what I can to try to lower the supply of Tech by our alliance, Morsus Mihi leadership should also be aware of this (and together we and our tenants own a vast swathe of the North, and have large influences on other alliances nearby and blue). This is assuming they didn't already have a clue and hadn't thought of the possibility of a cartel in Tech - I'm SURE at least one lightbulb switched on a while back and formulated a collusion plan, but I also know that some of the tech I horded very recently came from RZR moon caretakers selling to buy orders. Well, very worst case someone should be highly aware now and hopefully if nothing has already been planned it soon will be. It makes me richer, it makes RZR and our friends richer, it makes everyone else hate us more and want to COME TO US for a fight... it's a win/win scenario tbfh.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2009.12.20 11:14:00 - [553] oh lawdy lawd: look at that Delicious.
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2009.12.20 11:29:00 - [554] Originally by: Helicity Boson oh lawdy lawd: look at that Delicious. I wish... some perl-fu ftw ?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.20 12:33:00 - [555] Originally by: Helicity Boson oh lawdy lawd: look at that Delicious. Nice try, whoever it was... still, simply logging in and checking the market tells you that technetium is almost breaking 60k right now. _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.12.20 12:34:00 - [556] Originally by: Kwa Zulu It's nice to see tech prices still rising, and with very good reason I might say I'm curious whether CCP will nerf it somehow when the price goes above 100k If prices are still high in 3-6 months, you can bet on it, but CCP are always a little nervous to make changes, they like to take their time before making poorly thought out decisions, the longer spent not thinking about them the better.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.20 12:40:00 - [557] Tehee, technetium moons are now worth 4.3 bil a piece per month... and sill rising fast. Hooray to whoever controls the North ? _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2009.12.20 13:45:00 - [558] Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: Kwa Zulu It's nice to see tech prices still rising, and with very good reason I might say I'm curious whether CCP will nerf it somehow when the price goes above 100k If prices are still high in 3-6 months, you can bet on it, but CCP are always a little nervous to make changes, they like to take their time before making poorly thought out decisions, the longer spent not thinking about them the better. Remember this? Quote: Future additional sources besides moons Beyond Dominion, we are looking towards adding new sources of moon materials so that we will have a dynamic supply which can respond to the changing needs of the marketplace and help resolve the static supply issues we currently see. Some potential routes we have already mentioned previously here and are common suggestions on the forums. We are definitely looking hard at doing something cool here in the future along these lines.
BlondieBC Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions	Posted - 2009.12.20 15:00:00 - [559] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 20/12/2009 12:53:50 Tehee, technetium moons are now worth over 4 bil a piece per month... and sill rising fast. Hooray to whoever controls the North ? Goons may be forced to invade the north to avoid poverty.
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2009.12.20 15:30:00 - [560] In reply to post page (17) Dysprosium was a bottleneck, except it seemed at the time that noone realised just how much of a bottleneck it was. I played the market and bumped the prices up slowly, collecting large stocks with low buy orders. Remember that there was an exploit in play at the time also, which masked the dependance of many comps on Dysprosium. The result of my two manipulations (the last involving two other multi-billion isk characters) was to make dysprosium moons more valuable, alliances realised how valuable and the lack of supply to market= high price that stayed realitively stable. Now, the same could be done with Technetium; assume that the market is being manipulated, for exactly the same reasons as Dysprosium! As the cost for Tech climbs, the moons become more valuable and a major factor in alliance wars etc...thus the spiral begins again...unfortunately not in the favour of the little producer requiring technetium... My post regarding Dysprosium manip can be found on the thread regarding the exploit of ferrogel; CCP had noted 'irregularities' in Dysprosium market...I fessed up (directly to CCP in mail and on forum). It was simple market manipulation. Xavier

Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.20 17:14:00 - [561] Well, SOMEBODY decided this weekend should end with tech at 70k, it seems _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2009.12.20 18:35:00 - [562] Originally by: Akita T Well, SOMEBODY decided this weekend should end with tech at 70k, it seems I'm truly impressed. Some hours ago someone threw a 1m order at ~59k on the market, which I thought should have delayed the price increase by a day or two...
Victor Valka Caldari Preta Light Industries Naraka.	Posted - 2009.12.20 19:19:00 - [563] Someone decided that 70k was too modest a goal for such a nice weekend. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Tarne Monter	Posted - 2009.12.20 19:20:00 - [564] Originally by: Akita T Well, SOMEBODY decided this weekend should end with tech at 70k, it seems All hail our Technetium overlords indeed..... At this rate it might hit 80k..... I just wish I had more liquid cash when I had invested into tech originally. Now I'm kicking myself for it.. I suppose instead of making out like a bandit, I'll just make out like a drunk bandit.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.12.20 20:08:00 - [565] Originally by: Victor Valka Someone decided that 70k was too modest a goal for such a nice weekend. I am now quite glad I haven't gotten to selling the few million fullerides I still have left of my moon stocks; they'll inevitable follow upward.
Ambassador Delenn The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.20 23:41:00 - [566] One interesting thing IÆve noticed when watching the market for nanotransistors and its inputs is who appears to be driving the prices and the differences between the raw and intermediate materials. The raw material is a far larger market which takes far more isk to move but is also easier to speculate in, the intermediates are much smaller and are often used by producers looking to make a quick buck running an advanced reaction tower. Technetium often leads as speculators push the price higher while pt tech often lags behind until it gets bought up by people looking for a deal. On the other hand the very small market for neo murcurite has been between 20-30 for a while because producers are still able to make good margins at that price. Raw neodymium on the other hand has received very little attention on any of the hype threads until recently and hasnÆt really moved since producers donÆt spend enough isk to move that large a market very quickly. I donÆt know what this will mean long term but it is worth noting that producers have been willing to pay the equivalent of 40-60k/unit for neodyinium for a while since they still make a profit at those prices. But producers donÆt necessarily know more about what the price should end up at then speculators do. However it probably wonÆt go higher than that long until the market sorts its self out or the true numbers of tech and neo moons in game are discovered.
xylopia Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.21 01:28:00 - [567] Originally by: Ambassador Delenn ... I'm not so sure if big T2 producers start producing again but it seems the trade volume for nanotransistors is not quite at Dominion level yet. That means we'll see even more demand over the horizon, and nano will keep rising till all its demands are met. Until then, running complex reaction will give you good profit, and simple might give you a decent one while cheap raw material stock is available. That's what you're observing now. Currently, market is full of ppl holding raw material and relatively few ppl start reactioning nano/pt/neo merc. That's why you see those good margin for simple/complex reaction. But market will resolve this situation rather quickly within matter of a month or two and leaves you no profit as lots of reaction bp is currently moving. (182 nano bp moved in forge only in this month.) Btw, tell you what. Two simple neo mercurite reactions in one gal large yeild about 2.5 bn in 30 days period w/o sov boost when all material include fuel bought from matket. this is insane level. It needs to be fixed and it will be fixed for sure. So, don't expect all these easy-isk-printing-days to last longer.
Natasha Nikolaev	Posted - 2009.12.21 06:02:00 - [568] Edited by: Natasha Nikolaev on 21/12/2009 06:03:40 I own over 25% of the remaining fullerides on market in jita and prices are rocketing. I love it. Ofc I'm going to wake up to another 40m fullerides up but I feel special for the moment.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.12.21 06:52:00 - [569] Edited by: Mahke on 21/12/2009 06:52:10 Originally by: Natasha Nikolaev Edited by: Natasha Nikolaev on 21/12/2009 06:03:40 I own over 25% of the remaining fullerides on market in jita and prices are rocketing. I love it. Ofc I'm going to wake up to another 40m fullerides up but I feel special for the moment. If you're one of those silly 1100 blocking orders rise your dumb prices (if not, hifive for not making that mess worse either). We can easily sustain 1200/unit or a bit better if people were .01ing there instead of at 1100. It's not like people will be reacting new supplies at either pricepoint .
xylopia Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.21 07:35:00 - [570] Edited by: xylopia on 21/12/2009 07:35:42 Originally by: Natasha Nikolaev Edited by: Natasha Nikolaev on 21/12/2009 06:03:40 I own over 25% of the remaining fullerides on market in jita and prices are rocketing. I love it. Ofc I'm going to wake up to another 40m fullerides up but I feel special for the moment. If you're afraid you're gonna drown in isk flood, just dump some of your surplus on me. I'm always here to help you -From your best eve friend-



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