Originally by: Xeronn

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No it isnt . The nature of eve is the fact that anyone can actively attack (yes yes good old guns) anyone else anywhere anytime (not counting doked people in empire for obvious reasons)

As far as 0.0 is concerned the only exception is cloaking

I know verywell they are metagaming or as u put it "fight to disrupt morale" . That`s still broken. Why? because there is no ****in counter to it . No "beeing ready" doesnt count . You still have to explain to me HOW someone is suposed to fight a cloaker . If your answer is still "ignore him"

I`ll repeat : you make an argument that can be used then to ask for any other form of "instant invulnerability" . Tell me , would you be so eager to defend , say , the future implementation of unprobable missions in order to counter cloakers? Of "instanced belts" maybe? In essence they are the same thing : A form of taking an action that may affect others in some way without giving the "others" any mean of countering your action except "beeing ready" for you

Dont preach to me about morale warfare and crap like that , know what? atm one of my alts is on his way to cloak in an enemy upgraded plexing system. Why? cause probably i wont be playing much eve this christmas , and i definately wont have any use for my industry/probing alt...but doesnt cost me anything to let EvE on and even launch combat probes out whenever i`m at the pc for a minute or two.

Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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Originally by: chrisss0r

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Edited by: chrisss0r on 24/12/2009 23:43:12
nightmare as bait

do you also you awesome taunts like:

"come and attack me because i'm totally help and defensless"

or

"come on, i'm all alone flying my multi billion ship so you get an easy gank and you still won't risk it!!!"

:D :D

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Originally by: Xeronn

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Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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Originally by: Roland Thorne

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There are three different anti-cloak changes being discussed now, so someone should probably break it down before the arguments continue further.

1. Give some kind of timer or cap use to cloaks with a goal of 5 - 15 mins use before automatic decloak.

2. A cloaker must change direction or move in some way to reset a 15 min timer to stay cloaked. <<<This begs macro abuse.

3. Provide a module or probe of some kind to either pos, or preferably ships, which will be able to either uncloak a ship within a determined range, or scan it down like a combat probe.

I think this pretty much sums it up. I'll hold my comments til later.

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Originally by: Johan Sabbat

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Originally by: Xeronn

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No it isnt . The nature of eve is the fact that anyone can actively attack (yes yes good old guns) anyone else anywhere anytime (not counting doked people in empire for obvious reasons)

As far as 0.0 is concerned the only exception is cloaking

I know verywell they are metagaming or as u put it "fight to disrupt morale" . That`s still broken. Why? because there is no ****in counter to it . No "beeing ready" doesnt count . You still have to explain to me HOW someone is suposed to fight a cloaker . If your answer is still "ignore him"

I`ll repeat : you make an argument that can be used then to ask for any other form of "instant invulnerability" . Tell me , would you be so eager to defend , say , the future implementation of unprobable missions in order to counter cloakers? Of "instanced belts" maybe? In essence they are the same thing : A form of taking an action that may affect others in some way without giving the "others" any mean of countering your action except "beeing ready" for you

Dont preach to me about morale warfare and crap like that , know what? atm one of my alts is on his way to cloak in an enemy upgraded plexing system. Why? cause probably i wont be playing much eve this christmas , and i definately wont have any use for my industry/probing alt...but doesnt cost me anything to let EvE on and even launch combat probes out whenever i`m at the pc for a minute or two.

Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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The cloaker has to first get into your system, if you can't secure your borders then that's your problem.

A cloaker is only scary if you aren't organised, face it you could rat/mission/plex is groups with pvp fits - shame you don't want to cut down your income.

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Originally by: Xeronn

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Originally by: Johan Sabbat

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Originally by: Xeronn

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No it isnt . The nature of eve is the fact that anyone can actively attack (yes yes good old guns) anyone else anywhere anytime (not counting doked people in empire for obvious reasons)

As far as 0.0 is concerned the only exception is cloaking

I know verywell they are metagaming or as u put it "fight to disrupt morale" . That`s still broken. Why? because there is no ****in counter to it . No "beeing ready" doesnt count . You still have to explain to me HOW someone is suposed to fight a cloaker . If your answer is still "ignore him"

I`ll repeat : you make an argument that can be used then to ask for any other form of "instant invulnerability" . Tell me , would you be so eager to defend , say , the future implementation of unprobable missions in order to counter cloakers? Of "instanced belts" maybe? In essence they are the same thing : A form of taking an action that may affect others in some way without giving the "others" any mean of countering your action except "beeing ready" for you

Dont preach to me about morale warfare and crap like that , know what? atm one of my alts is on his way to cloak in an enemy upgraded plexing system. Why? cause probably i wont be playing much eve this christmas , and i definately wont have any use for my industry/probing alt...but doesnt cost me anything to let EvE on and even launch combat probes out whenever i`m at the pc for a minute or two.

Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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The cloaker has to first get into your system, if you can't secure your borders then that's your problem.

A cloaker is only scary if you aren't organised, face it you could rat/mission/plex is groups with pvp fits - shame you don't want to cut down your income.

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yeah right...and you are? post with main or gtfo

why would i bother with 0.0 then if i`m to cut my income to 1/2 of what i can semiafk in l4 in empire?

you actually do stuff in 0.0? you know how easy it is to catch a cloaker that wants to enter your system? guess not...well kindly **** off ...you`re just spaming nonsense i this thread .

name me a system , you organize a defense , i`ll even give you a headsup and if you stop my covops from geting in you`re good.

rat in groups?! rofl...because we all live in 0.0 so we can earn 10m/hour ...because rating is soo ****in exciting? Tell you what , why dont you go rat in group , while i mission in empire with an alt while campin your group with a recon , waiting till one of you has to log out?

amazing how all these alts come in here spewing crap about how i dont belong in 0.0 . Now i may be a crappy pvp`er but i know my 0.0

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Originally by: Johan Sabbat

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Originally by: Xeronn

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Originally by: Johan Sabbat

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Originally by: Xeronn

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No it isnt . The nature of eve is the fact that anyone can actively attack (yes yes good old guns) anyone else anywhere anytime (not counting doked people in empire for obvious reasons)

As far as 0.0 is concerned the only exception is cloaking

I know verywell they are metagaming or as u put it "fight to disrupt morale" . That`s still broken. Why? because there is no ****in counter to it . No "beeing ready" doesnt count . You still have to explain to me HOW someone is suposed to fight a cloaker . If your answer is still "ignore him"

I`ll repeat : you make an argument that can be used then to ask for any other form of "instant invulnerability" . Tell me , would you be so eager to defend , say , the future implementation of unprobable missions in order to counter cloakers? Of "instanced belts" maybe? In essence they are the same thing : A form of taking an action that may affect others in some way without giving the "others" any mean of countering your action except "beeing ready" for you

Dont preach to me about morale warfare and crap like that , know what? atm one of my alts is on his way to cloak in an enemy upgraded plexing system. Why? cause probably i wont be playing much eve this christmas , and i definately wont have any use for my industry/probing alt...but doesnt cost me anything to let EvE on and even launch combat probes out whenever i`m at the pc for a minute or two.

Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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The cloaker has to first get into your system, if you can't secure your borders then that's your problem.

A cloaker is only scary if you aren't organised, face it you could rat/mission/plex is groups with pvp fits - shame you don't want to cut down your income.

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yeah right...and you are? post with main or gtfo

why would i bother with 0.0 then if i`m to cut my income to 1/2 of what i can semiafk in l4 in empire?

you actually do stuff in 0.0? you know how easy it is to catch a cloaker that wants to enter your system? guess not...well kindly **** off ...you`re just spaming nonsense i this thread .

name me a system , you organize a defense , i`ll even give you a headsup and if you stop my covops from geting in you`re good.

rat in groups?! rofl...because we all live in 0.0 so we can earn 10m/hour ...because rating is soo ****in exciting? Tell you what , why dont you go rat in group , while i mission in empire with an alt while campin your group with a recon , waiting till one of you has to log out?

amazing how all these alts come in here spewing crap about how i dont belong in 0.0 . Now i may be a crappy pvp`er but i know my 0.0

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Angry, angry little man; you know, I wish I was an alt sometimes - life would be so much less embarassing.

So you are not willing to take precautions against the ebil cloakers, you're now running to CCP to see if you can get it nerfed because you can't take the pressure and potential isk reduction.

btw, your certainly belong in 0.0, because if you weren't the cloakers would die off due to a lack of prey.

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Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader

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awesome nerd rage

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Originally by: El Liptonez

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Wait, you can't rat alone in 0.0 in your PVE raven? This needs a fix asap.

I think CCP should introduce a sov upgrade that raises sec status to high sec levels, so only war targets can attack 0.0 ratters.
Or a cloaking ship probing device/array. Or as many people suggested, non-repeating activation timers.

Or how about an upgrade that does not allow cloaking in a system?

Hell, why can bombers even fit torpedo launchers?


Seriously, why would someone rat in a PVP ship. This is my 0.0, because I am the owner, I want to rat in safety.

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Originally by: Xeronn

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Originally by: El Liptonez

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Wait, you can't rat alone in 0.0 in your PVE raven? This needs a fix asap.

I think CCP should introduce a sov upgrade that raises sec status to high sec levels, so only war targets can attack 0.0 ratters.
Or a cloaking ship probing device/array. Or as many people suggested, non-repeating activation timers.

Or how about an upgrade that does not allow cloaking in a system?

Hell, why can bombers even fit torpedo launchers?


Seriously, why would someone rat in a PVP ship. This is my 0.0, because I am the owner, I want to rat in safety.

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are you seriously that retared , you moron?

it`s not about beeing able to rat solo in 0.0 . I can , and do

it`s aabout the game not offering any offensive alternative against the cloaker

get it through your head you dumb ****

it`s not that "wont undock cause he may kill me", it`s "why shouldnt i be able to at least try to kill him first?"

sheesh...idiot

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Merry Christmas, Forum Warriors. :)

-Liang

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Originally by: Tista

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Right.. So.. once more CCP has implimented something that annoys me off tremendously.

The issue lies in the fact that in home space.. 25 people in system.. and then 2 of which are bombers, don't get me wrong.. we all love sitting in hostile space giving intel on EVERYTHING that goes on.

But this one bothers me.

The thing with cloakers is that they can sit there ALL day.. doing nothing.. in a system 100% safe.. with 200 hostiles.. and give intel on everything, at no expense.. There is a major issue in that ratting in home systems is compramised by these little cloakers.. all it takes is for one to get in position.. and then 1 system misses some intel for what ever reason and you have people warping in bang on after a jump.

Now, I've played this game for a hell of a long time and there are only a select few issues that have bugged me to this extent, and cloakers are one of them.

6 ships.. yes 6 bombers sit in system.. waiting for anything they feel they can take down and you can't stop them.. all you can do is inform your team mates that there are bombers about.. they are rediculously powerful disruption tactics and they need a nerf.

kill the cloak, make it drop energy regen and cost energy to run.

fix it CCP get rid of the 50 alts spread about my home space.

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Originally by: Xeronn

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quit talking you ignorant fool. You have no clue what this is about , you`re just spewing random nonsense . You`re trolling. Precautions? you ****in ignorant piece of **** i`ve told you 1000000 times i do take precautions , i wanna be able to take offensive action though

get this through your skull you little troll . Can you grasp that? I supose empire dwellers cant...oh well..then stay out of this thread.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I've never seen anyone argue so long and hard for his own incompetence. On the other hand, I can't deny that you've done a good job.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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So how does removing local allow us to take actions against cloakers?

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Only advantage way i see why it wuold work against cloakers is that profits of living in 0.0 will drop fast, so people just do mission in high sec, so no one bothers to raid anymore, let alone afk cloak.

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Originally by: superteds

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Has the point been made of the hilarious drawbacks having a cloak incurs? you know the whole 'you cant actually do anything scary when cloaked' bit. or the bit about just get a few intys to patrol the belts?

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Originally by: superteds

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Has the point been made of the hilarious drawbacks having a cloak incurs? you know the whole 'you cant actually do anything scary when cloaked' bit. or the bit about just get a few intys to patrol the belts?

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: superteds

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Has the point been made of the hilarious drawbacks having a cloak incurs? you know the whole 'you cant actually do anything scary when cloaked' bit. or the bit about just get a few intys to patrol the belts?

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Great argument. No really. You know what else actually doesn't do anything? A loaded gun. That's right. Unless you press the trigger it does absolutely nothing! Well, until you press the trigger, that is. Then it does something. But if it's just there pointing idly it does absolutely nothing!

That's how stupid your argument is.

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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri

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And the last thing we want in Eve is someone being able to possibly point guns at someone else, right?

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