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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:07:00 -
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I'm sitting here mining in a 0.0 gravimetric with 2 Hulks fit for EHP, constantly hitting the directional scanner, with 10x EC-600 drones in the air, and finding this thread quite funny.
I've once had a Hound and a Legion pounce on my Orca as I was setting up my POS. I guess they didn't expect the few guns I had placed already were loaded. The Legion had good loot.
Sounds like people don't understand the purpose of covert and cloaked ships. Working as intended.
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Iva Soreass
the united
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:25:00 -
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epic carebears cant rat cause cloakers in system.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:33:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Tista
Right.. So.. once more CCP has implimented something that ****es me off tremendously.
Yes, the forums. What a pain that n00bs are permitted to post without a clue.
-- He said "The President is near."
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 01:38:00 -
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This is gonna be really interesting in dominion, Corp spends weeks building up a system to max out it's earning. A few cloakers camp in system with SB, defenders have to sit back and wait till they attack there's nothing they can actively do to help catch them. CCP wanna get rid of AFK empires so you need to actively defend your space, but you can't actively defend your space all you can do is sit there waiting till the AFK cloakers decide to attack. If you can't see how unbalanced this is gonna become in dominion you aren't paying attention or you hate pve'ers and want them to suffer.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Typhado3
so how bout giving some tools to help defend so it's not all on the attackers side.
More defensive tools of various natures are things that we're investigating as part of the infrastructure system (but not to the degree that they tip the balance significantly), but the cloaking situation specifically is something that really needs its own fix, IMO (ties into local and directional scanner and probing and map views and all that jazz).
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IMO this isn't a problem with balance this is a problem with CCP failing to implement anything at all to help the defender. Gonna be interesting watching any empire that tries to establish in 0.0 get harrassed to death without anyway to defend themselves but not exactly gonna encourage anyone to actually use any of the new empire building features.
I'm sure someone will say afk cloakers can't hurt you and learn to: align, tank, pvp fit, ecm drones etc. so I'll take a look of a classic carebear ship (hulk) vs a classic afk cloaker ship (stealthbomer)
Each hulk kill is worth 2 stealth bombers so even suicide ganking is worth it, with new squished up systems there's gonna be plenty of targets to make flying those stealthbombers into the middle of enemy space well worth it. Align time of 17 seconds (in b4 stay alligned while mining lol), EHP less than 10k base, 30k max which makes it quite easy to kill before the reinforcements will arive.
I'm sure someone will come back saying you should have shield command ships, logistics, munnins, destroyers, falcons, arazu's and rapiers camping your mining op at all times and its easy for this to make it safe and effective. But then you can even do bombing runs efficiently on solo hulks, let along groups of them which still leaves advantage massively in attackers side. And please don't come back saying hulks should be aligned as bombs will explode before they get to speed and trying to stay perma aligned and at speed in a mining op is beyond a bad joke.
So afk cloakers in system can't hurt me? yet mining while their in system is suicide?
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Just a crazy inventor
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.21 02:11:00 -
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"helping the defender" ?
They have a system from which they can reap and squeeze every resource they can, while camping the gates and killing anything that is not blue.
Risk versus reward? Hey they got the reward already and some risk can always show up later.
Lame, this thread is.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: T***G0d
Remove local from 0.0 space....
Now you won't notice them if they aren't within scanner range, problem solved!
One of the major reasons I love WH space is the fact that there is no local. Keep local in hi-sec and possibly lo-sec where it belongs.
As it stands, cloaking is just fine. Local is the real problem in this thread.
This.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.21 04:06:00 -
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even if u have afk cloakers the smart ones will assign fast lock arazu or falcon or HIC pilot to the ratting-mining gang and if a afk stealth bomber uncloaks u simply lock and remove the threat
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal
even if u have afk cloakers the smart ones will assign fast lock arazu or falcon or HIC pilot to the ratting-mining gang and if a afk stealth bomber uncloaks u simply lock and remove the threat
I know the falcon is accused of a lot....
but since when has it been able to lock faster than a stealthbomber and JAM BOMBS???
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Just a crazy inventor
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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fmercury
Club Bear
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.21 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: AFK Cloaker
hahahahaha
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Mordred McKenna
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:33:00 -
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Wait a god damn minute.
Are you telling me that cloaking devices actually cloak a ship?
This is an outrage CCP and people shouldn't be able to avoid my rr bs gang. I should be able to gank anyone in my space regardless of what they are flying.
SRSLY CCP THIS NEEDS LOOKING AT.
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Raggahkhan
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:34:00 -
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I bet Nozh could fix this problem.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.21 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal
even if u have afk cloakers the smart ones will assign fast lock arazu or falcon or HIC pilot to the ratting-mining gang and if a afk stealth bomber uncloaks u simply lock and remove the threat
Together with the standard: AFK cloakers are afk so cant hurt you, responses these are also stupid.
Now we got a cloaker hanging AFK in your space. Lets assume for a moment the average player plays one hour per day eve. That means you need 23 players (and hopefuly not a short downtime) to sit in a falcon one day per hour, not afk, just because there is one afk cloaker in system. That doesnt really work.
And which advantages have defenders exactly? The only one they have is docking rights, thats it. And due to sucking standing mechanisms half of the reds in provi also have docking rights.
Cloaking is fine, but remove afk cloaking. It doesnt add anything to the game, and just add something like proposed here where you can scan down cloaking ship with very low speed, so if he warps once in a while he is fine.
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.21 09:23:00 -
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HAH
The cloaks are not the problem it's the lack of ********* and tactics to deal with them. Remove local in 0.0 make it infrastructure upgrade.
And to the OP jesus why don't you setup a trap to get the bastard and then bubble the gates. IF you want to just carebear all day go to empire.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Solid Star
Not only should cloaking not be touched, we should remove local. I know many that would raise hell if cloaking was nerfed for carebears who want there to be no risk in nullsec.
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.11.21 10:27:00 -
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Not enough profit in 0.0 for interruptions. After the new patch you will have more helpers in system, but campers will add few more ships too since they can focus on popular systems. And smart people will make their money in highsec most likely. 
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2009.11.21 10:46:00 -
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i said it in every whine afk cloaker threads along with everyone else.
remove local with 0.0
afk cloakers arent the problem, its people abusing local chat as an intel tool.
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.21 10:58:00 -
[47]
Originally by: baltec1
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Dungheap
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.21 12:56:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Tista
Right.. So.. once more CCP has implimented something that ****es me off tremendously.
The issue lies in the fact that in home space.. 25 people in system.. and then 2 of which are bombers, don't get me wrong.. we all love sitting in hostile space giving intel on EVERYTHING that goes on.
But this one ****es me off.
The thing with cloakers is that they can sit there ALL day.. doing nothing.. in a system 100% safe.. with 200 hostiles.. and give intel on everything, at no expense.. There is a major issue in that ratting in home systems is compramised by these little cloaker ***s.. all it takes is for one to get in position.. and then 1 system misses some intel for what ever reason and you have people warping in bang on after a jump.
Now, I've played this game for a hell of a long time and there are only a select few issues that have bugged me to this extent, and cloakers are one of them.
6 ships.. yes 6 bombers sit in system.. waiting for anything they feel they can take down and you can't stop them.. all you can do is inform your team mates that there are bombers about.. they are rediculously powerful disruption tactics and they need a nerf.
kill the cloak, make it drop energy regen and cost energy to run.
fix it CCP get rid of the 50 alts spread about my home space.
k.. afk cloakers have been around a long time as well, tista. everyone who moves to 0.0 has to deal with them. not everyone comes to the forums to complain about it, tho.
we all love sitting in hostile space, giving intel etc..
yep, funny as hell to do to others. sucks when it's done to you, more so now that bombers are a real threat.
working as intended..
asking ccp to remove hostiles from 'your home space' is a sad statement on your character, and perhaps you should reconsider where in eve you call home.
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Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.11.21 12:57:00 -
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The real problem here is not the cloaks. It is the alts. If people had only their mains, this wouldn't happen nearly as much if at all. Alas, nothing can really be done about alts I guess...
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Bitty Bit
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Posted - 2009.11.21 13:56:00 -
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Gotta say i agree with the OP.. i think 1/2 the people replying in this thread aren't fully reading/understanding the OP. It's not a problem with people being in system, clocked. It's not even a problem with people metagaming. He's annoyed about people going to bed/work/whatever, leaving eve running while they are in system cloaked cos they know nothing can happen to them and will just cause grief to the people in that system. AFK gaming in any form is unfair IMO.. i don;t believe the devs made the SBs so they could be cloaked up and left in system while the player was afk for hours at a time.. so working as intended..i highly doubt it.
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Plim
Gallente
Kobayashi Maru Experience
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Posted - 2009.11.21 14:10:00 -
[51]
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
That was ****ing genius lol
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Bill Alt
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Posted - 2009.11.21 14:15:00 -
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Fix Local, so you don't know they're there in the first place.
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A Ingus
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:22:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Psiri
Edited by: Psiri on 20/11/2009 22:18:13
I've suggested this before,
I'd like to see a system scanning array that can be deployed in systems where you have sov (I'm thinking level III). The installation should be able to scan the entire system for cloaked ships aswell as ships that are undetectable by probes. It should reveal the ship types in the system and then take an hour or so to produce a warpable hit as it zeroes in on them. If the targets warp, jump or dock inbetween the start and completion of the scan it should not produce a warpable result and would need to be redone.
This would prevent people from lurking for long hours in well established enemy home systems, gathering intel and being a threat to the operations there. I can't see what'd be wrong with that.
This sounds good, sorta. It's not the cloak that is the problem it's the afk harrassment. And typically that's what it is, it is not done for intel purposes.
With your suggestion the intel cloaker would not be scanned down. Which is a good thing. He's there doing a legitimate job. Moving about, looking at ship types, setting up bookmarks for later battles, etc.
However, the guy that goes into system with his bomber, kills a couple haulers (again as he should), but then goes afk for the rest of night leaving his client open (as he shouldn't), will wake up less one bomber and pod. If wormhole living is about constantly spamming the directional (doesn't that negatively impact server load? but off topic) how can it be wrong to ask a bomber pilot to be present enough to move his damn ship once every hour. I think this is a good compromise.
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Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:29:00 -
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confirming that not only do i love cov ops but i love the tactic the OP is whining about
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:31:00 -
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So even with the super dooper scanning array or I have to do is to warp cloaked once in hour from ss to ss. Great?
/looks for alarmclock
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ghosttr
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:54:00 -
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I would at least like to see the directional/on board scanner not work when the cloak is on. This way the cloaker has to decloak to find a plex, or to try and find what ships are in the area.
This means you have a chance to catch him when he is looking for new targets, and if your paying attention you will know if hes actively hunting (rather than afk) if he shows up on your scans every so often.
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Toxif
Minmatar
First Slave Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.21 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Was that supposed to be a punch line? Worst demotivator I've ever seen.
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Originally by: MorbidAngel4
......So this is what my social security tax goes towards....
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.11.21 17:23:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Pepper Candy
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
serious epic win
On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.21 18:06:00 -
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Quote:
So even with the super dooper scanning array all I have to do is to warp cloaked once in hour from ss to ss. Great?
/looks for alarmclock
Like said before, we dont have problems with cloakers, we have them with afk cloakers. So if you want to wake up every hour (or 30 minutes which is still reasonable) at night, go ahead.
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Myra2007
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.21 18:29:00 -
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If its your space there should at least be a few pvpers active at any time that can take care of a single cloaker.
If its not your space then suck it up?
I've seen this happen and frankly the only reason it worked was because the alliance I was member of was full of FAIL. We were unorganized scrubs that just did not deserve their own space. Needless to say i've moved on.
Not everyone is honest to himself though...
Also what if that really happens? Lets not kid our selves there will be lots of people dedicated enough to penetrate your space (lulz) for hours on end. Sure eventually they will have to sleep but so will you.
You may have less afk cloakers then but you will still have no way of dealing with the ones who are there. So who will you blame then?
Tbh people who are afraid of a single cloaking recon really should resign to empire. Don't you feel a bit embarrased about your weakness?
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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