We getting that blog to day?

I've been held up trying to get a moment with CCP Unifex. We're a lot further on than we were when the blog was written so I'm going to rewrite it on Wednesday to update it, change up the pictures and if we can get approval put together an edit of an internal release demo Team Avatar did of the prototype to the whole of CCP. Sorry for all the delays in getting information to you guys but we will show you what we've been doing in more detail soon.

Farther along with that Unity based demo? Is the blog just to show the concept before starting development? We're years away from this hitting TQ right?

Could that be the reason why we aren't getting DUST for the PC? Because WiS will let us interact with DUST players in FPS style shooter mode? /me starts rumors

A "dungeon raiding shooter" is definitely not what we envisage this gameplay as being.

I've been held up trying to get a moment with CCP Unifex. We're a lot further on than we were when the blog was written so I'm going to rewrite it on Wednesday to update it, change up the pictures and if we can get approval put together an edit of an internal release demo Team Avatar did of the prototype to the whole of CCP. Sorry for all the delays in getting information to you guys but we will show you what we've been doing in more detail soon.

Please remember that with the eve server in one location and running with a one second update cycle that shooters will not work too well. Dust has multiple servers scattered about the planet (to reduce speed of light issues), and a faster cycle. (I assume you can only play dust vs players who are close to the same server you are on. Eve being world wide cannot have such a limitation)

A "dungeon raiding shooter" is definitely not what we envisage this gameplay as being.

Entirely different tech. We are not DUSTies. If we get killed outside of the capsule, our only recourse is a backup ("soft") clone that only contains memories (hint: SP) up to the point the backup was made - a time-consuming backup given the need to not destroy the brain in the process.

Furthermore, #2 is out entirely as well, unless there are some pretty drastic changes to CONCORD policies. Having two or more simultaneously active clones is highly illegal and a "crime of the highest magnitude". To avoid this you'd need to "shut down" the clone inside the capsule, leaving your ship entirely defenseless. That really sounds like an absolutely wonderful idea to me.

#3 is the most sensible: given the option of dying and losing your memories, causing CONCORD to crawl up your ass even more than they do already with all of the monitoring equipment stashed in our ships and capsules, or sending some expendable peons, what is any capsuleer with a brain going to do? That's right - they're going to use the redshirts.

On the other hand, #3 also defeats the purpose of it being our own avatar doing things, which begs the question: if, god forbid, CCP decides to design this feature with the intent of remaining consistent with EVE's already-existing and long-established Prime Fiction, what the hell is the point of this kind of WiS content?

blow-a-Hulk

- snip - weirdo avatar perverts with no life, trying to chat up 12 year olds. Abandon WiS .

You mean CCP let a handfull of loud mouth babies who were actually only mad because they couldn't get mommy to buy a monocle convince them to allow their game to stagnate and die?

When this game dies another will fill it's place, one with modern graphics, so I am not losing sleep over it.

This is the exact same mistake EA made with UO, they let their current customers talk them out of anything that was not "more of the same" till they had almost no new customers.

Then the current customers left.

WiS Potential ::
- a stock exchange style center where you could interact with other traders.
- corp meetings in special rentable halls like an Apple share holder meeting.
- where you can meet up with DUST players and slam some intergalactic brews while talking over the next wave of battles
- and if you really want to, synchronized dancing (like people would do in in Guild Wars).

Is any of that going to happen? Probably not.

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WiS Potential ::
- a stock exchange style center where you could interact with other traders.
- corp meetings in special rentable halls like an Apple share holder meeting.
- where you can meet up with DUST players and slam some intergalactic brews while talking over the next wave of battles
- and if you really want to, synchronized dancing (like people would do in in Guild Wars).

Is any of that going to happen? Probably not.

We're here for spaceships. CCP was on a path that had an 18month gap in spaceship iteration.

That's bad, mmmkay.

If you want to dance, the command works really well in WoW.

and on top of that this was a product that suposedly has been in development (depending on who you talk to) since somewhere between 1998 and 2001, and all we got was a game engine that still has issues with you being in a single mostly unfurnished room by yourself,

to put this in perspective, a company with HALF the software development team that CCP claims that they threw at this was able to create a game Engine that started development sometime around 2005, (the Creation Engine) that is capable of doing things that the Current WiS/Carbon Engine cant do for at least a full 2 generations of Graphic cards that dont exist yet.(handleing multiple Dynamic avatars in a fully animated enviroment with controled population in a SINGLE PLAYER GAME, never mind an MMO(MMOs simply due to the fact that Player behaviour cant be predicted, never mind the tendancy on the part of players to create flash mobs and semi perminent high pop locations for whatever reason tends to put a heck of a lot more load on graphics cards than single player mmos)

Let me clarify something

I want Walking In Stations that works, and has Full single and multi player bit s to it

I also want to be able to Walk in Spaceships.

I also want to walk on planets

I also want to be able to pull out my guns and missle launchers and other things and be able to use them on other players.

I also want to stick live grenades in people pants or crazyglue them to the middle of there backs but then im odd that way.

Please remember that with the eve server in one location and running with a one second update cycle that shooters will not work too well. Dust has multiple servers scattered about the planet (to reduce speed of light issues), and a faster cycle. (I assume you can only play dust vs players who are close to the same server you are on. Eve being world wide cannot have such a limitation)

Let me clarify something

I want Walking In Stations that works, and has Full single and multi player bit s to it

I also want to be able to Walk in Spaceships.

I also want to walk on planets

I also want to be able to pull out my guns and missle launchers and other things and be able to use them on other players.

I also want to stick live grenades in people pants or crazyglue them to the middle of there backs but then im odd that way.

Hey, i also don't envisage it as a dungeon raiding shooter. I would love to envisage it as a stealthy crime thing, FAI. I would PAY to sabotage a griefer's clone right before he gets podded so he losses some skillpoints and the rules put him in the position of biting the bullet for once in his despicable life.

But it's not what we envisage, rather it's the time-to-grief within the rules. Follow the explorers and shoot them dead ASAP, that's exaclty the shortest time-to-grief, an that's exactly what this gameplay will become about with the rules you are planning.

How do you plan to prevent that it becomes a grief fest with professional bullies and leroyjenkiners spoiling it all? Will the site be protected from outside? No. Will players be safe from friendly fire? No. Will be players unable to harm others? No.

So, please, HOW will you prevent your gameplay to become a griefing sport in the line of blow-a-Hulk?

Of course, there will be a place where it will be 100% safe and so will be grinded to exhaustion: nullsec. But then, you already should know how many people lives in nullsec... And in case you can't figure, nullsec is not my cup of tea.

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"Will the site be protected from outside? No.
Maybe you could bring your friends to guard the immediate space outside the site? Or pay for someone else to do it.

Will players be safe from friendly fire? No. - Maybe you would want to enter a site with only your most trusted friends.

Will be players unable to harm others? No." - If the players couldn't harm other players, then the griefing problem in-site that you mention wouldn't exist in the first place.

All three of these points, for me, bring about exciting thoughts of teamwork, organisation, trust and betrayal.
What if you pay someone to guard your site but who then decides that blowing you up when your inside is more profitable?
What if you go in with some 'trusted' friends but that fat piece of loot just gets too appealing and some backstabbing, airlock fighting ensues?
What happens when you first meet a stranger in a site? Do you fire first or wait for their reaction?

Just some thoughts.

My completely awesome idea:

Develop the WiS stuff it as a new game. Have all kinds of cool stuff in stations - bars, gambling, let us shoot, talk and otherwise interact with each other. With enough depth, it could even be a whole MMO in itself.

Then, in a similar way to Dust, tie it all into Eve. If we travel between stations, we buy passage on an Eve player's ship. Let us hire Dust players to take planets for us, or maybe to provide muscle for our station-based crime syndicate.

I would love to see this sort of "integrated but seperate" idea develop to the point where I, playing WiS Online, could hire Eve players to transport my Dust-player mercenaries to the station owned by my rival in order for them to assault his HQ, creating enough of a distraction for my friend's spy character to hack my rival's computers and download his most advanced blueprints or siphon off cash.

Some answers,

For me WiS is not something that only 0.0 players should benefit from. It should be available to all who wish to participate.
Rewards should be justified though. The more you danger you put yourself in, the more rewards you should reap.

The WiS ecosystem should tie in with FiS gameplay, this shouldn't be some stand-alone gameplay avenue that doesn't effect pilot-based only players. Manufacturing could play a part in this for example.

Death with your avatar (if used) does lead to some interesting 'perma-death' questions. (Who would vote for a EvE hardcore mode?)

Maybe you coud allow solo players to do something interesting in this game for a change.