We'd have nothing against people camping out in these structures.

That said making actual gameplay gives us a much better point to add social areas as you note yourself they share a lot of the same technology requirements. So I'd rather hope that we did both.

We'd have nothing against people camping out in these structures.

That said making actual gameplay gives us a much better point to add social areas as you note yourself they share a lot of the same technology requirements. So I'd rather hope that we did both.

Sounds like there are ways for pilots to die in these structures.
Presumably you have some ideas on what the consequences of death are, and how it will work both gameplay-wise, and lore-wise?
Please share these ideas with us.

We'd have nothing against people camping out in these structures.

That said making actual gameplay gives us a much better point to add social areas as you note yourself they share a lot of the same technology requirements. So I'd rather hope that we did both.

We do have various ideas regarding death within a site as there will indeed be dangers for you to overcome, including other players. (if we, Team Avatar, get our way)

Here are some:

1. Death will be like the standard pod kill death but then that leads to the issue where your ship is still docked at the site.
2. You enter sites with a clone rather than your actual avatar.
3. You enter sites with crew members rather than clones.

These are just a few as there are multiple ways we can address this issue, but the actual designing of these features is obviously still to be started in earnest.

On a little side note, the posts I've seen so far in regards to pvp only mention the actual combat, but the sandbox nature of this WiS gameplay could also allow for strangers in sites to work together, rather than annihilate each other with extreme violence. This could lead to some interesting initial stand offs.

I wonder in what point "actual gameplay" became "dungeon raiding shooter", as i can't recall that anyone asked the players interested on WiS what did they want or expect from it.

We do have various ideas regarding death within a site as there will indeed be dangers for you to overcome, including other players. (if we, Team Avatar, get our way)

Here are some:

1. Death will be like the standard pod kill death but then that leads to the issue where your ship is still docked at the site.
2. You enter sites with a clone rather than your actual avatar.
3. You enter sites with crew members rather than clones.

These are just a few as there are multiple ways we can address this issue, but the actual designing of these features is obviously still to be started in earnest.

On a little side note, the posts I've seen so far in regards to pvp only mention the actual combat, but the sandbox nature of this WiS gameplay could also allow for strangers in sites to work together, rather than annihilate each other with extreme violence. This could lead to some interesting initial stand offs.

I wonder in what point "actual gameplay" became "dungeon raiding shooter", as i can't recall that anyone asked the players interested on WiS what did they want or expect from it.

Would you rather have just social areas on a station?

We do have various ideas regarding death within a site as there will indeed be dangers for you to overcome, including other players. (if we, Team Avatar, get our way)

Here are some:

1. Death will be like the standard pod kill death but then that leads to the issue where your ship is still docked at the site.
2. You enter sites with a clone rather than your actual avatar.
3. You enter sites with crew members rather than clones.

These are just a few as there are multiple ways we can address this issue, but the actual designing of these features is obviously still to be started in earnest.

On a little side note, the posts I've seen so far in regards to pvp only mention the actual combat, but the sandbox nature of this WiS gameplay could also allow for strangers in sites to work together, rather than annihilate each other with extreme violence. This could lead to some interesting initial stand offs.

Ishtanchuk has made it pretty clear that yeah, playing e-dressup and drinking e-drinks in an e-bar is exactly what he e-wants from WiS.

We do have various ideas regarding death within a site as there will indeed be dangers for you to overcome, including other players. (if we, Team Avatar, get our way)

Here are some:

1. Death will be like the standard pod kill death but then that leads to the issue where your ship is still docked at the site.
2. You enter sites with a clone rather than your actual avatar.
3. You enter sites with crew members rather than clones.

These are just a few as there are multiple ways we can address this issue, but the actual designing of these features is obviously still to be started in earnest.

On a little side note, the posts I've seen so far in regards to pvp only mention the actual combat, but the sandbox nature of this WiS gameplay could also allow for strangers in sites to work together, rather than annihilate each other with extreme violence. This could lead to some interesting initial stand offs.

Ishtanchuk has made it pretty clear that yeah, playing e-dressup and drinking e-drinks in an e-bar is exactly what he e-wants from WiS.

I think the issue here is for option 1: If we die without being in a pod with its brain scanner, why are we not permanently dead?

I think the issue here is for option 1: If we die without being in a pod with its brain scanner, why are we not permanently dead?

Also: Any purely social areas would need far far less needed assents in place before being added to the game. I hope, not so much you do them both, but you can do pure social areas first, and much sooner. You can promote it not as an expansion, but a technology test, to see what issues multi-avatar areas have before the actual game play content is released. Also, they will have whatever content we players create. Social interaction is arguably the most important content in the game.

I also hope that a version of the exploration content will be in high sec. Less danger, less reward, but it will allow more players to use it.

Some answers,

For me WiS is not something that only 0.0 players should benefit from. It should be available to all who wish to participate.
Rewards should be justified though. The more you danger you put yourself in, the more rewards you should reap.

The WiS ecosystem should tie in with FiS gameplay, this shouldn't be some stand-alone gameplay avenue that doesn't effect pilot-based only players. Manufacturing could play a part in this for example.

Death with your avatar (if used) does lead to some interesting 'perma-death' questions. (Who would vote for a EvE hardcore mode?)

Death with your avatar (if used) does lead to some interesting 'perma-death' questions. (Who would vote for a EvE hardcore mode?)

If WiS Exploration uses a 'Redshirt' model, then hardcore mode would be just fine.

Some answers,

For me WiS is not something that only 0.0 players should benefit from. It should be available to all who wish to participate.
Rewards should be justified though. The more you danger you put yourself in, the more rewards you should reap.

The WiS ecosystem should tie in with FiS gameplay, this shouldn't be some stand-alone gameplay avenue that doesn't effect pilot-based only players. Manufacturing could play a part in this for example.

Death with your avatar (if used) does lead to some interesting 'perma-death' questions. (Who would vote for a EvE hardcore mode?)

Some answers,

For me WiS is not something that only 0.0 players should benefit from. It should be available to all who wish to participate.
Rewards should be justified though. The more you danger you put yourself in, the more rewards you should reap.

The WiS ecosystem should tie in with FiS gameplay, this shouldn't be some stand-alone gameplay avenue that doesn't effect pilot-based only players. Manufacturing could play a part in this for example.

Death with your avatar (if used) does lead to some interesting 'perma-death' questions. (Who would vote for a EvE hardcore mode?)

See: Dust 514 Cloning tech.

Just for reference sakes, if we went for your actual avatar use, I would not be voting for a permadeath.
Maybe just a bad limp in the CQ.

Death with your avatar (if used) does lead to some interesting 'perma-death' questions. (Who would vote for a EvE hardcore mode?)

Entirely different tech. We are not DUSTies. If we get killed outside of the capsule, our only recourse is a backup ("soft") clone that only contains memories (hint: SP) up to the point the backup was made - a time-consuming backup given the need to not destroy the brain in the process.

Furthermore, #2 is out entirely as well, unless there are some pretty drastic changes to CONCORD policies. Having two or more simultaneously active clones is highly illegal and a "crime of the highest magnitude". To avoid this you'd need to "shut down" the clone inside the capsule, leaving your ship entirely defenseless. That really sounds like an absolutely wonderful idea to me.

#3 is the most sensible: given the option of dying and losing your memories, causing CONCORD to crawl up your ass even more than they do already with all of the monitoring equipment stashed in our ships and capsules, or sending some expendable peons, what is any capsuleer with a brain going to do? That's right - they're going to use the redshirts.

On the other hand, #3 also defeats the purpose of it being our own avatar doing things, which begs the question: if, god forbid, CCP decides to design this feature with the intent of remaining consistent with EVE's already-existing and long-established Prime Fiction, what the hell is the point of this kind of WiS content?