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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.07 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor Damn dude, was that diatribe ^^ a response to my statement?
Who the hell knows, I don't think anyone's trying to make someone lose their job here. The reason that particular topic caught my eye is that the character of the candidate means a lot in how I pick who to vote for. Or, to use an analogy, I wouldn't put a thief in charge of security for a bank. It doesn't matter which candidate it is.
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:45 Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:00
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04
I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. *shrug*
So being a part of the CSM is therefore not being employed in a capacity by CCP
Here is a definition of an employee, "a person who is hired to provide services to a company on a regular basis in exchange for compensation and who does not provide these services as part of an independent business".
1.Did CCP create the roles of the CSM Answer: Yes
2. Did CCP define the roles and requirements that a CSM must abide by? Answer: Yes
3. Did CCP conduct an interview process Answer: yes they did. They did it through the process of an election to nominate the candidates for the position.
3. Does CCP expect that a CSM representative provide them with services on a regular basis Answer: Yes. Whilst you are a CSM, CCP expects that you uphold to your commitments as a CSM representative.
4. Does the CSM receive compensation for the services that they provide Answer: Yes. What part of free flight, hotel stay and free access to the Fan fest equals
5.Does the CSM provide services as part of an independent business Answer: NO as the CSM is a designated role created by and organized by CCP.
Also I would not be surprised if the CSM are covered under the Iceland equivalent of the OH&S act and probably workers compensation if they are injured whilst they attend the fan fest.
Therefore I do not see any problem with any individual putting there role as CSM as part of there employment history.
Brechan
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Endas
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Posted - 2010.05.08 05:23:00 -
[393]
BURN THE WITCH
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.08 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 08/05/2010 10:28:54
Originally by: Promethian child
Both here and on Tweakers you are acting like her sockpuppet, are you actually getting something out of this or are you just a alt ?
And wether people would like to see her fired is beside the point this is just one more example of her lying and twisting facts and one more reason why people should not vote for her.
Not only is she totally out of tune with this game she also is a proven liar,exploiter, bad corp member and not mentally competent to fill this position as proven over time.
Oh please give me proof she is an exploiter. (and please dont come with a screenie where she has a cloaking device fitted, that isnt an exploit).
And looking at your posts you arent really in any position to talk about anyones mental competence.
I just agree with most of her points, try to deal with it. Also she isnt lying and twisting facts, in case you didnt notice, she has been in the CSM.
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Temi Heliz
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Posted - 2010.05.08 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Brechan Skene Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:45 Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:00
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04
I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. *shrug*
So being a part of the CSM is therefore not being employed in a capacity by CCP
Here is a definition of an employee, "a person who is hired to provide services to a company on a regular basis in exchange for compensation and who does not provide these services as part of an independent business".
1.Did CCP create the roles of the CSM Answer: Yes
2. Did CCP define the roles and requirements that a CSM must abide by? Answer: Yes
3. Did CCP conduct an interview process Answer: yes they did. They did it through the process of an election to nominate the candidates for the position.
3. Does CCP expect that a CSM representative provide them with services on a regular basis Answer: Yes. Whilst you are a CSM, CCP expects that you uphold to your commitments as a CSM representative.
4. Does the CSM receive compensation for the services that they provide Answer: Yes. What part of free flight, hotel stay and free access to the Fan fest equals
5.Does the CSM provide services as part of an independent business Answer: NO as the CSM is a designated role created by and organized by CCP.
Also I would not be surprised if the CSM are covered under the Iceland equivalent of the OH&S act and probably workers compensation if they are injured whilst they attend the fan fest.
Therefore I do not see any problem with any individual putting there role as CSM as part of there employment history.
Brechan
Try to use your common sense instead of playing semantics.
This topic in the CV tells 'i have been working for two years for a gaming company as a some kind of junior game designer/ whatever'
Whereas it is 'i was elected along with other players, to raise issues from the game i play to developers. They offered me a free trip to Iceland, and they paid me an hotel room. Oh, and I was elected twice.'
Would have been appropriate to put this under 'pasttimes & associative work'. Lacks honesty, and modesty.
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NereSky
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.08 16:20:00 -
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Omg quick call the police, no wait get on the bat phone - no no no no hang on - its such a major crime against humanity the world police will get involved oh the humanity :) TeamAmerica will obviously get involved in this one
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.08 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Temi Heliz Try to use your common sense instead of playing semantics.
This topic in the CV tells 'i have been working for two years for a gaming company as a some kind of junior game designer/ whatever'
Whereas it is 'i was elected along with other players, to raise issues from the game i play to developers. They offered me a free trip to Iceland, and they paid me an hotel room. Oh, and I was elected twice.'
Would have been appropriate to put this under 'pasttimes & associative work'. Lacks honesty, and modesty.
Well put. Personally I'm more concerned with the honesty part than the modesty thing. CVs are your sales pitch to other companies, most everyone will take what they have and make themselves into rocket scientists in some capacity. However, usually staying within the realm of reality.
It's also worth adding emphasis to the previous guy's definition of the word "employee":
"a person who is hired to provide services to a company on a regular basis in exchange for compensation and who does not provide these services as part of an independent business"
Everything after that is just a further description.
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El'Tar
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.08 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: El''Tar on 08/05/2010 17:59:09 voted for you with 9 accounts, good luck, we need more CSM members that is willing to look at the game from a different perspective ________________________________________________
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.08 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brechan Skene <snip>
At the risk of annoying potential voters for me, I feel I must correct this misunderstanding you have that CSM can be classed as employees of CCP.
6. Did the "employee" of CCP sign an employment contract or receive regular pay cheques? Answer: NO, CSM delegates only sign a non-disclosure agreement and no payments were made.
I'm not sure about Icelandic law, but over here if you haven't signed an employment contract then the only other way you can be classed as being employed by a company is if you have accepted regular payments from that company.
7. Have you seen the NDA which the CSM are obliged to sign when they take up the role which specifically states they are not employees of CCP? Answer: Apparently not Then again I have only seen the contact from CSM4 which may be different to those issued for earlier CSM.
Whilst at the CSM summit CCP supplied food, lodging and paid for flights and transfers. However they also (AFAIK) did the same for the journalist from PC Gamer magazine who was writing an article about the CSM. Are you trying to imply that he must have also been classed as an employee of CCP?
I certainly wouldn't put my time on CSM4 under the employment history section of my CV, but it would be totally relevant under the "Other Skills" section.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew
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Posted - 2010.05.08 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Brechan Skene
I certainly wouldn't put my time on CSM4 under the employment history section of my CV, but it would be totally relevant under the "Other Skills" section.
Lol, it's WORK you do for a company, how is that 'a skill'?
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NereSky
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.08 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Brechan Skene <snip>
At the risk of annoying potential voters for me, I feel I must correct this misunderstanding you have that CSM can be classed as employees of CCP.
6. Did the "employee" of CCP sign an employment contract or receive regular pay cheques? Answer: NO, CSM delegates only sign a non-disclosure agreement and no payments were made.
I'm not sure about Icelandic law, but over here if you haven't signed an employment contract then the only other way you can be classed as being employed by a company is if you have accepted regular payments from that company.
7. Have you seen the NDA which the CSM are obliged to sign when they take up the role which specifically states they are not employees of CCP? Answer: Apparently not Then again I have only seen the contact from CSM4 which may be different to those issued for earlier CSM.
Whilst at the CSM summit CCP supplied food, lodging and paid for flights and transfers. However they also (AFAIK) did the same for the journalist from PC Gamer magazine who was writing an article about the CSM. Are you trying to imply that he must have also been classed as an employee of CCP?
I certainly wouldn't put my time on CSM4 under the employment history section of my CV, but it would be totally relevant under the "Other Skills" section.
Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood;
Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979).
so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome,
I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.08 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: TeaDaze on 08/05/2010 19:12:36
Originally by: NereSky Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood;
Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979).
Which jurisdiction is that definition taken from because as I stated where I am from you are not classed as an employee unless you have either a) signed an employment contract or b) have been accepting regular payment for work done.
Originally by: NereSky so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome,
I have no axe to grind with Ankh, I am stating that the idea that CSM can be classed as employees of CCP simply for accepting a volunteer role is ludicrous. In addition if it were treated as employment then it would be classed as a second job and thus my tax rate would go up
Originally by: NereSky I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance.
I am simply stating that as far as my jurisdiction is concerned it is not classed as employment.
As to a smear campaign, I dislike it in RL politics and I dislike it here. I haven't stated an opinion on Ankh's use of her CSM volenteer work as part of her employment history, I have just stated that it is not employment in the strict sense of the term where I am from.
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Lol, it's WORK you do for a company, how is that 'a skill'?
I would state how I was involved in a player elected council debating issues and producing minutes. Those are the types of transferable skills that many employers look for.
And lastly IIRC the NDA contained a clause that we waive any claim to being employees of CCP
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Adingo Ate'mybaby
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Posted - 2010.05.08 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky
Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood;
Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979).
so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome,
I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance.
The fact that you don't get why people are doing this just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Read all of her quotes and campaign messages without the 'fanboi' rose-tinted glasses you appear to be sporting and you will see that she has made it her mission to try to negatively change the preferred play-style for a lot of people. If you still don't get it, then you really are playing the wrong game.
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NereSky
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.08 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Adingo Ate'mybaby
Originally by: NereSky
Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood;
Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979).
so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome,
I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance.
The fact that you don't get why people are doing this just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Read all of her quotes and campaign messages without the 'fanboi' rose-tinted glasses you appear to be sporting and you will see that she has made it her mission to try to negatively change the preferred play-style for a lot of people. If you still don't get it, then you really are playing the wrong game.
If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago
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Jan Forjeu
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Posted - 2010.05.08 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jan Forjeu on 08/05/2010 22:40:47
Originally by: NereSky
If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago
Now you're getting somewhere. It is verymuch possible to play eve for 6 years and still don't have a clue what it's about. Ofc you need to be a bit dim for that but statisticly you really aren't a special case :)
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NereSky
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.08 22:44:00 -
[406]
Originally by: Jan Forjeu Edited by: Jan Forjeu on 08/05/2010 22:40:47
Originally by: NereSky
If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago
Now you're getting somewhere. It is verymuch possible to play eve for 6 years and still don't have a clue what it's about. Ofc you need to be a bit dim for that but statisticly you really aren't a special case :)
If anything that made me smile
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Jan Forjeu
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Posted - 2010.05.08 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky
If anything that made me smile
Somehow I think it didn't :)
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.08 23:14:00 -
[408]
Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: Jan Forjeu Edited by: Jan Forjeu on 08/05/2010 22:40:47
Originally by: NereSky
If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago
Now you're getting somewhere. It is verymuch possible to play eve for 6 years and still don't have a clue what it's about. Ofc you need to be a bit dim for that but statisticly you really aren't a special case :)
If anything that made me smile
You are unable to miss the point if you fail to aim for it.
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Adingo Ate'mybaby
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: Adingo Ate'mybaby
Originally by: NereSky
Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood;
Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979).
so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome,
I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance.
The fact that you don't get why people are doing this just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Read all of her quotes and campaign messages without the 'fanboi' rose-tinted glasses you appear to be sporting and you will see that she has made it her mission to try to negatively change the preferred play-style for a lot of people. If you still don't get it, then you really are playing the wrong game.
If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago
So you've played for 6 years and still fail to see how her proposed changes would negatively impact the game? Wow... just wow.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:44:00 -
[410]
Originally by: TeaDaze And lastly IIRC the NDA contained a clause that we waive any claim to being employees of CCP
Could you please confirm this last point regarding claims of employment by CCP from former CSM members being a breach of NDA. I find this very interesting. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
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Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.05.09 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer BAAAWWW
White Knighting wont get you any mkay ?
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.09 02:11:00 -
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At first I thought Ankh was bad, but then I got a lobotomy and suddenly she seems to have good ideas.
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Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 10:32:00 -
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Great movie, got my vote! Truly represents the players instead of personal agenda, and has nice track record.
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.09 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Stevakis Great movie, got my vote! Truly represents the players instead of personal agenda, and has nice track record.
Have you actually read any of her opinions?
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Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 11:05:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Space Pinata
Originally by: Stevakis Great movie, got my vote! Truly represents the players instead of personal agenda, and has nice track record.
Have you actually read any of her opinions?
Like.. a single one of them?
I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. It comes from her direct competitors and if you read her track record documents, they do not show strong bias towards a carebear agenda. I see 0.0, PVP and FW issues amongst them. That proves that the accusations are false. I think Ankh can seperate her personal views and her csm role. That and I want someone that knows how FW works on the CSM. Her FW issues prove that she knows what she's talking about.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.09 12:05:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true.
Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true.
Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local.
Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'.
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Balrokenx
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Balrokenx on 10/05/2010 04:56:11 Potentially the worst candidate possible if your vote here you should just install wow and be done with it.
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Digital Solaris
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.10 05:51:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Stevakis
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true.
Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local.
Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'.
I am curious what rock you have lived under and what ankhhblablabla actually paid you to write the above sentence when her statements and public message is the exact opposite to rational thought and logic. |
Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2010.05.10 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Seeing EyeDog on 10/05/2010 06:20:45
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Nikolai Vheranimen Hint : no one with any realistic sense of self calls themselves an expert on anything less than a year after graduation, or mentions working on TWO MMOs without listing titles or shipping dates.
Most rich elitist gaming companies have something called an NDA
your suggestion that you work for a rich, elitist gaming company is offensive to the actual rich elitist gaming companies of the world. |
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