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Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:37:00 - [1] Name: Eva Jobse Age: 26 Occupation: Game Designer, specialized in MMO Game Balance and Economics Character: Ankhesentapemkah Affiliation: Neutral Introduction Independent and dedicated is my motto, with a track record to back this up. I treat the CSM as a job, not a vacation. Instead of advocating a hidden agenda or that of an alliance, I will do my utmost best to represent you to CCP. I want to give a voice to individuals and small corporations that remains ignored far too often in the face of the massive 0.0 alliances. I do not believe that these '1337' alliance CSM can properly understand EVE from the perspective of the average player. That is why I originally signed up for the CSM, now two years ago, to give a voice to this silent majority. While a mission-running carebear at heart, I have experienced all aspects of EVE. The past year I delved into industry matters, setting up my own POS and operating several for my corp. I experienced the horrors of the corp and industrial UI first hand. I have also ventured to 0.0 in the wake of the Dominion expansion. While this did not go well for my alliance (CVA), I learned a great deal about life and war in 0.0, and the new mechanics introduced in Dominion. Of course the state of Factional Warfare always remains a concern to me, and I worked with the CSM and CCP in an attempt to get exploits closed. Main Focus Finish and Polish My main focus aims at CCP's expansion strategy. Since Empyrean Age and onwards, expansions have been rushed out of the door, containing bugs and imbalances which remain unfixed for months, even years. Old content such as the User Interface and Factional Warfare in particular are in a dire need of an overhaul, but are pushed back time and again due to CCPs strict expansion schedules. Before one expansion is properly patched, the dev team moves on to the next expansion, leaving incomplete, imbalanced and broken content, not to mention a massive amount of lag in their wake. I have raised this issue to CCP in the past, but unfortunately Dominion was yet another underwhelming expansion, with Tyrannis soon to follow. CCP promised the CSM a 50/50 division between fixing old content and adding new, and I intend to hold them to that promise! Improve Playability EVE has many frustrating aspects which negatively impact all players. The user interface, lag, and session change timer are main woes. CCP has been claiming for years now that they plan to do a total overhaul of the user interface. So far, we haven't been seeing any of this, and new expansions only add further complexity to the UI. This is an issue I'd like to assign high priority after Tyrannis. Lag is another problem. Despite server improvements in Quantum Rise, lag has been ruining many a player's enjoyment. The lag plaguing FW last year, and the recent surges in 0.0 lag are simply unacceptable. The session change timer is something that also annoys people on a regular basis. CCP said years ago that it was possible to reduce this timer to 15 seconds or even lower. Time to find out why this hasn't happened. --- Now running for CSM5.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:38:00 - [2] Communication and Tranparancy The CSM exists to represent the players to CCP, and relay information from CCP back to the players. In the first two terms on the CSM, I have answered hundreds of emails from players, which resulted in many issue documents submitted to CCP. Feedback from many players was listened to, regardless of corp or alliance the players belonged to. To establish a platform for players to provide feedback and discuss issues, Take Care was formed, which has held a seat on all the four CSM councils, thanks to the work of Erik Finnegan and Z0D. Have issues or concerns? Send me a mail and I'll do what I can. The second part is the transparancy issue. Players often claim that issues vanish into a black hole after the CSM submits them to CCP. For this purpose, I had set up my CSM Wiki, which was later adopted and integrated in the EVElopedia. However, the EVElopedia lacks a lot of features my original wiki had (categorizing per CSM member, integrating CCPs replies back into the issues, etc). When elected, I will do my best to organize and structure all this information so that players can easily see what the CSM has been doing. In CSM2 I have proposed a Q&A session between the players and CCP. We have had a few of these towards the end of CSM2, but the questions submitted weren't up to standards and neither were the answers. I'd like to see more communication between the players and the developers, by this or other means. Other Issues CSM as Stakeholders With the recent changes to the CSM, the CSM became stakeholders in CCP's scrum process. I plan to use this influence to deliver quality feedback during the development stage. One of my main complaints with the CSM was that CCP did not make much use of the expertise of the CSM during the development stages. Under the new system, there will be much more communication between the CSM and CCP, and it is here where I will shine. As game designer, I use exactly the same work methodologies as CCP does. Both CCP and my fellow CSM would benefit from my expertise in this field. No Free Trips I believe CCP should stop giving the CSM free Fanfest tickets. It attracts the wrong type of people, gives wrong impressions of the CSM, and CSM do not need to be at Fanfest as they do not need the roundtables to talk to CCP, can watch the videos, and have other means to poll player feedback. The CSM is work, not a party! Old Stuff A lot of valid issues from the past CSMs currently hang in limbo, somewhere in CCP's backlog. I'd like to go over them, see if they are still valid, either remind CCP or scratch them off the list. This can be organized through the Wiki, no need to waste CCPs time resubmitting a hundred issues. Past Track Record Take Care has held a seat in every CSM to date. Each of our representatives has raised numerous issues. A lot of game usability issues were raised, with issues such as the skill queue and import/export of overview settings making it in-game. Since Factional Warfare issues were not raised by other CSM, we specialized in this section, which is why you will notice many FW-related issues in the list. Balance is important as well, hence the Assault Frigate, Black Ops and Destroyer balance requests (unfortunately my request to look at hybrid tracking did not make it a year ago), and the request for Drone implants and modules. We are a bit carebeary at heart though, thus you will also find requests for dynamic missions and concerns about suicide ganking. --- Now running for CSM5.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:39:00 - [3] Take Care CSM1&2 Track Record Alliances and FW 2 Alliances and FW 3 Drone Implants Drone Improvements Drone AI Epic Arcs and Standing Epic Mission Arcs FW Complex Spawning FW Focus and Goals FW Lag Issues General CSM Operations GTC Price Increase Incentivizing 0.0 Live Events Medals for Out-of-Corp Players Mission Faction Imbalance Mission Standing Monopoly Missions Under Review More Cross-Faction Ships Multiple Quantity LP Rewards New Format For Dev/Player Communication Remote Jumpclone Destruction Skill Queue 2 Small Anchorable Structures Smuggling for Pirate Standing Sleeper AI Balance Suicide Ganking Suicide Ganking 2 UI Font Issues Import/Export Overview Settings Unfinished Expansions Take Care CSM3 Track Record Assault Frigates 4th Bonus Corp Traitors/Neutrals Corp Bookmarks Dynamic Missions FW Medals FW Lack of Development FW Lag 2 --- Now running for CSM5.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:40:00 - [4] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 20/04/2010 16:40:26 FW NPC Review FW Info Request Mission Faction Imbalance 2 More Orbit Ranges Revisit Standing Matrix Send Hail Message on Convo Invite Ship Crews Ctrl-tab window sorting Take Care CSM4 Track Record Align to BM Black Ops Improvements 2 Character Transfer Info Contract Login Notification CSM Operations 2 Destroyer Improvements FW, CCP ignoring Exploits FW Complex Spawning 2 FW lacking development 2 Gallente Storylines Logistics Warp Speed Ingame Expiration Countdown Ingame Events Lock Characters against Theft Faction Item Trading on Market Medal Control Sorting Deliveries Mineral Sources Starbase Grid Suicide Ganking 3 --- Now running for CSM5.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:42:00 - [5] FAQ Q: How can you be independent, with your involvement with CVA? A: I run as CSM on personal title. I have had no influence or leadership role in CVA, nor do I have any ambition for such a role. Take Care does not care for corp or alliance. In the past, I have consulted hundreds of players, from all kinds of corps, factions and alliances. Even Goons and AAA members have participated constructively in discussions. Through CVA I learned a great deal about EVE's game mechanics outside my own area of interest. I will listen to all players and consider them equal, regardless of Corp or Alliance background. Q: No personal agenda? You are a carebear and you want to kill suicide ganking, how about that? A: I believe my concern about suicide ganking is valid. I do not plan to turn high-sec into a 100% safe zone nor render suicide ganking completely impossible. However, the balance is currently way off, and suicide ganking is still too easy with too little consequence. And no, I have personally never been suicide-ganked. This issue does not affect me in any way. Q: During your first two terms on the CSM, you were sometimes rude towards CCP and other CSM A1: That's because they were either ignorant or good-for-nothing slacke..... A2: I've become older, and I had a crash-course in teamwork in my current position as game designer. I learned to be more diplomatic about my viewpoints and will contribute to the CSM even better. That said, I will remain goal-orientated and present a critical viewpoint, and will try to move people forward and getting things done. Q: Aren't two terms on the CSM enough for you? A: I am personally very sceptical to lifting the term limit, and was rather enjoying my vacation. However, the CSM have now become official stakeholders. While I was on the CSM, my influence was marginal. There are many open issues which I wish to resolve, and in the upcoming fierce competition, I stand the best chance of getting elected for Take Care. Q: Will there be another movie? A: It is currently in production. Q: You just want to get a job with CCP and use the CSM as a stepping-stone! A: I am very happy with my current job and do not seek a position with CCP at this time. Thanks for the shiny medals and nice addition to my CV, though. Q: I want to talk to you, but you are not online in EVE! A: Drop me an EVE mail, if you want to speak face to face I can give you my MSN. We're currently in crunch-time at work, which is why I'm not in EVE much. --- Now running for CSM5.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:43:00 - [6] ==reserved for an even bigger wall-o-text== --- Now running for CSM5.
Archeris vane	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:54:00 - [7] here, someone everyone should vote on!
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:56:00 - [8] What do you say to the allegations that you used borderline exploits while part of the Gallente Militia to gain Rank, LP and Capture points for your faction? Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler What do you say to the allegations that you used borderline exploits while part of the Gallente Militia to gain Rank, LP and Capture points for your faction?
Z0D Minmatar Rubycom Matrix United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:01:00 - [10] I support Ankhesentapemkah in these elections and take up my role as advisor on trade and industrial matters. The Take Care platform has proven its worth, the past 4 CSM. Click below for my manifesto.

Rufus Britton Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:02:00 - [11] I have been a supporter of Take Care from the beginning. They strive to do right by the little guy in Eve and don't have any large alliance agendas to pursue. Eva was a CSM member before and did a great job, I know her out of game too and fully trust her to represent the people of EVE.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler What do you say to the allegations that you used borderline exploits while part of the Gallente Militia to gain Rank, LP and Capture points for your faction? Grumpy much that you are not allowed to run for CSM5 due to the stuff you pulled? I have reported all FW issues back to CCP and did not abuse any exploits, but reported them all instead. I have exactly zero loyalty points for the militias as capturing plexes does not yield LP. I did not abuse the mission exploit in any way, and thus didn't earn a single ISK through FW. --- Now running for CSM5.
Dee Tearant	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Grumpy much that you are not allowed to run for CSM5 due to the stuff you pulled? Got a link to any such announcement?
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 20/04/2010 17:13:20 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler What do you say to the allegations that you used borderline exploits while part of the Gallente Militia to gain Rank, LP and Capture points for your faction? Grumpy much that you are not allowed to run for CSM5 due to the stuff you pulled? I have reported all FW issues back to CCP and did not abuse any exploits, but reported them all instead. I have exactly zero loyalty points for the militias as capturing plexes does not yield LP. I did not abuse the mission exploit in any way, and thus didn't earn a single ISK through FW. Unlike the highly controversial methods used by some other FW players to achieve the same, my behaviour did not negatively impact the overall game experience. Unfortunately, FW remains a heavily exploitable and bug-ridden environment, but I will do whatever I can to set that right. U mad? I would call sitting cloaked in FW plexes to cap them and earn yourself rank and influence within the FW community a negative impact but I digress. I find the idea of Take Care laudable and found Erik Finnegan to be a very pleasant fellow, I've only talked with Zod in game and he too seems to be a nice chap. You however do not... I take it that if offered you will not take up the offer of a free trip to fanfest and will pay your own way? Also, thanks for biting Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 19:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 20/04/2010 19:26:56 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler U mad? I would call sitting cloaked in FW plexes to cap them and earn yourself rank and influence within the FW community a negative impact but I digress. I have NEVER capped a plex while cloaked. Not on Ankh, and not on any alt. It is one of the exploits for which I was in direct contact with CCP to get it fixed, and kept mailing them about it for over 3 months. Originally by: Larkonis Trassler I find the idea of Take Care laudable and found Erik Finnegan to be a very pleasant fellow, I've only talked with Zod in game and he too seems to be a nice chap. You however do not... Glad to hear the feeling's mutual, I don't think too highly of you either. Originally by: Larkonis Trassler I take it that if offered you will not take up the offer of a free trip to fanfest and will pay your own way? Depends on the circumstances, and the contribution of each individual CSM towards the whole and whenether or not CCP needs me for a CSM stage performance. I can't comment on it yet until I know the details, but I am considering putting my ticket up for a contest. But CCP might not allow that. Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Also, thanks for biting Thanks for the free bumps Originally by: Dee Tearant Got a link to any such announcement? I thought it was public knowledge that Lark isn't allowed to run again after he shamed the whole CSM for his own pathetic selfish greed, and that he is lucky he isn't banned? --- Now running for CSM5.
Dee Tearant	Posted - 2010.04.20 19:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Dee Tearant Got a link to any such announcement? I thought it was public knowledge that Lark isn't allowed to run again after he shamed the whole CSM for his own pathetic selfish greed, and that he is lucky he isn't banned? I thought it was public knowledge that CCP stated he could run again in future. In fact here is the announcement in a dev blog. Quote: It is a voluntary act and not a case of jumping before being pushed and I will be allowed to run for another term in the future if I so desire. It is true Lark wasn't allowed to run for CSM4, because it was "too soon" but there was never a statement from CCP to state he couldn't run again. However you seem totally certain he isn't allowed to run for CSM5. In the absence of any official CCP statement I and others will have to assume you are party to privileged information on this subject which you thought you would use to get one over Lark on a public forum. Isn't using privileged information inappropriately what got Lark into trouble in the first place? Sets the tone for your campaign
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.04.20 19:59:00 - [17] The Tiggy shows his support! Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 20:00:00 - [18] I don't know anything more than you do. I must have mistaken the CSM4 ban with a complete ban for the CSM. Not that I care, if you can run, all the better, as it would only split up the opposition's vote. We're certainly not fishing in the same pond. --- Now running for CSM5.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.20 20:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't know anything more than you do. I must have mistaken the CSM4 ban with a complete ban for the CSM. Not that I care, if you can run, all the better, as it would only split up the opposition's vote. We're certainly not fishing in the same pond. You can fish in my pond any day. Woof! Srs post. How do you see Eve evolving over the next 12 months and how does that match up with your 'vision'. Also how do you view suicide ganking as being 'unbalanced' especially after you pushed for the castration of the profession even after several nerfs over the years and as someone who has never been a victim or a victimiser how do you feel qualified to comment on the subject? Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.20 20:48:00 - [20] Good luck with your campaign Eva. Vote Sokratesz!

Conspicio Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 20:50:00 - [21] Free Bump. Hope you will make it into CSM
SlaveChild 101	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:34:00 - [22] Eva Jobse I've not known her long little under a year and from our talks she knows a good few things about eve and what needes to change to help the common pilot. Now goon fleet are no longer able to vote ***** i think its time we have some fresh blood amongst the CSM members. I hope you get in and that when you do we get to see what you have in store for us all :-)
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 21:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler How do you see Eve evolving over the next 12 months and how does that match up with your 'vision'. What I fear most is that Tyrannis will introduce Planetary Interaction in a bugged and incomplete state, where people poke at it for a few weeks, before deciding it isn't worth their time, and pulling out disappointed. But not long afterwards, CCP will announce the next expansion, leaving Planetary Interaction in an unfinished, broken state for the years to come. That is what I think will happen if the CSM doesn't intervene and CCP continues like a runaway train. I notice this mistake in my company as well. As MMO publisher you have the luxury to push content out of the door, and patch later. And producers will always choose for this option, instead of delaying. But there is more content planned, and often bugfixing gets a rather low priority, as the programmers are needed for key features in the next update... I want to change CCPs attitude and make them deliver quality expansions. Make sure Tyrannis is finished and polished first. Meanwhile, fix the most urgent bugs and exploits in Factional Warfare, and the lag issues currently plaguing many. Then backtrack to the last expansion, Dominion, and fix the 0.0 mechanics, so 0.0 is less about blobs and more about players actually living there. As major features in the next expansion, I'd love to see a full UI revamp, dynamically generated missions, and a factional warfare overhaul. Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Also how do you view suicide ganking as being 'unbalanced' especially after you pushed for the castration of the profession even after several nerfs over the years and as someone who has never been a victim or a victimiser how do you feel qualified to comment on the subject? Since I do receive feedback from a lot of players, I do feel more than qualified to take a position in this matter. It doesn't bother me as much that people can gank, it is the fact that it is so easy, guarantees profit, and has no meaningful consequence. Yes I tried to get feedback from the victimsers, but all I got was "Waaah you nerfed my easy income, I made 100 mil an hour ganking indiscriminately!". Threads like this don't help much either to get my sympathy. CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. --- Now running for CSM5.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah What I fear most is that Tyrannis will introduce Planetary Interaction in a bugged and incomplete state, where people poke at it for a few weeks, before deciding it isn't worth their time, and pulling out disappointed. But not long afterwards, CCP will announce the next expansion, leaving Planetary Interaction in an unfinished, broken state for the years to come. That is what I think will happen if the CSM doesn't intervene and CCP continues like a runaway train. The CSM is two years old now. How have you prevented them from doing this so far. Are, to name the most egregious example, POSes fixed yet? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Since I do receive feedback from a lot of players, I do feel more than qualified to take a position in this matter. It doesn't bother me as much that people can gank, it is the fact that it is so easy, guarantees profit, and has no meaningful consequence. Yes I tried to get feedback from the victimsers, but all I got was "Waaah you nerfed my easy income, I made 100 mil an hour ganking indiscriminately!". The suicide part is easy. The gank, less so. I've been hit by 3 suicide gankers over the years. Only one actually killed me, and that was because I tarded out(got called AFK while flying a covops to Jita, stuck it on autopilot, woke up in station). My corpmates have similar histories. As for making 100 mil an hour, I don't believe that for a second. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Threads like this don't help much either to get my sympathy. "I am shocked, shocked, to find that max/minning is going on in hre!" "Your maxed-out FW standings, madam" "Oh, thank you very much" Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. You want players banned for piracy? How about we make gross stupidity a bannable offense instead? That seems much more in keeping with how Eve should work.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto The CSM is two years old now. How have you prevented them from doing this so far. Are, to name the most egregious example, POSes fixed yet? I've raised issues concerning the unfinished content they pushed out of the door, eventually cumulating in an overall issue regarding unfinished expansions. Unfortunately, CCP did not listen, nor did they listen to the other CSM. I wasn't the only person saying these things. In the past, all we could do is raise issues, which CCP "adds to the backlog" and we never hear from most of them again. With the CSM being a stakeholder in the scrum process, I believe the CSM finally gets the influence it needs to change things at a fundamental level. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto The suicide part is easy. The gank, less so. I've been hit by 3 suicide gankers over the years. Only one actually killed me, and that was because I tarded out(got called AFK while flying a covops to Jita, stuck it on autopilot, woke up in station). My corpmates have similar histories. As for making 100 mil an hour, I don't believe that for a second. The guy sounded pretty believable, although it is hard for me to get exact numbers. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto "I am shocked, shocked, to find that max/minning is going on in hre!" "Your maxed-out FW standings, madam" "Oh, thank you very much" And your comment is relevant, how? Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. You want players banned for piracy? How about we make gross stupidity a bannable offense instead? That seems much more in keeping with how Eve should work. I said not once, but TWICE that I don't want to see this in EVE. I included my text so you can read again. --- Now running for CSM5.
Jerid Verges Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand	Posted - 2010.04.20 22:40:00 - [26] I'm sold. You have my vote. This is the best 'Running announcement' I've heard yet. The worst however remains very contested.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.20 23:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto The suicide part is easy. The gank, less so. I've been hit by 3 suicide gankers over the years. Only one actually killed me, and that was because I tarded out(got called AFK while flying a covops to Jita, stuck it on autopilot, woke up in station). My corpmates have similar histories. As for making 100 mil an hour, I don't believe that for a second. The guy sounded pretty believable, although it is hard for me to get exact numbers. Seems pretty easy to get exact numbers, really. Just give it a shot. Make a few mil(or a few hundred mil, if the guy's right), and learn something about the profession you'd like to see neutered. It's not like you don't have the sec status to burn. Also, I should clarify. I don't doubt that there was one hour-long period of time where the dude made 100 mil. It probably happens semi-frequently. The part I doubt is that he makes 100 mil an hour in the same sense that a Paladin pilot makes 40 mil an hour. The income has high peaks, but it's not at all reliable. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto "I am shocked, shocked, to find that max/minning is going on in hre!" "Your maxed-out FW standings, madam" "Oh, thank you very much" And your comment is relevant, how? People, hardcore gamers especially, tend to be heavy optimizers. They figure out what tehy want to do, and then they figure out how to wrap the game mechanics around their little finger to let them do it as effectively as they can. In one context, you're a master of this - what is it, three factions you hit maxed FW standings with before you quit? In another context, you find it appalling and abusive. Same action, different ends, and you choose to spit on it when those ends aren't ones you like. A bit of Inspector Renault seemed appropriate there. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto You want players banned for piracy? How about we make gross stupidity a bannable offense instead? That seems much more in keeping with how Eve should work. I said not once, but TWICE that I don't want to see this in EVE. I included my text so you can read again. So okay, not that solution literally. You just referenced it approvingly, and said that Eve needs to move more towards a system like that. You'll pardon me for not being enthusiastic about such sentiments among someone who wants to be my elected representative. Your mental model of what Eve is simply does not match my own. This is not reality, and as such it doesn't need to conform to the behavioural norms of reality. Theft, assault and murder are commonplace here, and that is entirely intentional. You're trying to ensure fair sentencing for criminals, I'm trying to ensure good gameplay. Yes, attacking someone and taking their stuff is mean, and it costs them more than it gains you. Where would the fun be otherwise? If I wanted protection from this stuff, I'd go play a well-designed MMO. I choose to embrace it, and so I play Eve. What's your excuse?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.21 05:51:00 - [28] Wow hersch, I am impressed. Vote Sokratesz!
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.04.21 06:56:00 - [29] Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 21/04/2010 06:56:52 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. Oh wow, jesus. This is pretty much why we need the option to vote against candidates as well as for them.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 08:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Seems pretty easy to get exact numbers, really. Just give it a shot. Make a few mil(or a few hundred mil, if the guy's right), and learn something about the profession you'd like to see neutered. It's not like you don't have the sec status to burn. That suggestion is highly immoral and not something I am capable of. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto People, hardcore gamers especially, tend to be heavy optimizers. They figure out what they want to do, and then they figure out how to wrap the game mechanics around their little finger to let them do it as effectively as they can. In one context, you're a master of this - what is it, three factions you hit maxed FW standings with before you quit? In another context, you find it appalling and abusive. Same action, different ends, and you choose to spit on it when those ends aren't ones you like. A bit of Inspector Renault seemed appropriate there. This is still totally irrelevant. My point was that there is not enough consequence to crime, not that someone found a quicker way to the cheese. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto So okay, not that solution literally. You just referenced it approvingly, and said that Eve needs to move more towards a system like that. I said no such thing. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto You'll pardon me for not being enthusiastic about such sentiments among someone who wants to be my elected representative. Your mental model of what Eve is simply does not match my own. No doubt that my mental model doesn't match that of you or many other people, for that matter. Every individual is unique. Fortunately there are thousands of players out there that can relate. I don't see what you attempt to accomplish here. If you are concerned with me, you're more than welcome to join the discussion about these issues after the elections and get your voice heard. I try to include both sides in the issue documents where possible, which is why an issue about L4 missions also mentioned that some players think L4s pay too much and should be moved to low-sec (met with laughter by CCP), and reprocessed loot might be injecting too much minerals into the economy (something they claim they're looking at). Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto This is not reality, and as such it doesn't need to conform to the behavioural norms of reality. Theft, assault and murder are commonplace here, and that is entirely intentional. You're trying to ensure fair sentencing for criminals, I'm trying to ensure good gameplay. Oh, but I ensuring good gameplay before anything else. It is entirely in the spirit of EVE as well, your criminal action will have meaningful consequence (which it currently does not). As said in the past, I strongly prefer a player-driven justice system over artificial game mechanics/restrictions. Which is why my own Ultima Online server ran on a modified Felucca ruleset where PVP was allowed, not a Trammel one. But anyone belonging to a town militia could toss a murderer in jail for three days, if they managed to kill them. Now once more to be clear, I don't say that such a system should be implemented in EVE, but EVE should have more consequences for crime, and more ways for players to police themselves. We all know the current bounty system doesn't work. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Yes, attacking someone and taking their stuff is mean, and it costs them more than it gains you. Where would the fun be otherwise? If I wanted protection from this stuff, I'd go play a well-designed MMO. I choose to embrace it, and so I play Eve. What's your excuse? Did that just imply that you think EVE is not a well-designed MMO? --- Now running for CSM5.

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.21 08:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Seems pretty easy to get exact numbers, really. Just give it a shot. Make a few mil(or a few hundred mil, if the guy's right), and learn something about the profession you'd like to see neutered. It's not like you don't have the sec status to burn. That suggestion is highly immoral and not something I am capable of. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto People, hardcore gamers especially, tend to be heavy optimizers. They figure out what they want to do, and then they figure out how to wrap the game mechanics around their little finger to let them do it as effectively as they can. In one context, you're a master of this - what is it, three factions you hit maxed FW standings with before you quit? In another context, you find it appalling and abusive. Same action, different ends, and you choose to spit on it when those ends aren't ones you like. A bit of Inspector Renault seemed appropriate there. This is still totally irrelevant. My point was that there is not enough consequence to crime, not that someone found a quicker way to the cheese. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto So okay, not that solution literally. You just referenced it approvingly, and said that Eve needs to move more towards a system like that. I said no such thing. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto You'll pardon me for not being enthusiastic about such sentiments among someone who wants to be my elected representative. Your mental model of what Eve is simply does not match my own. No doubt that my mental model doesn't match that of you or many other people, for that matter. Every individual is unique. Fortunately there are thousands of players out there that can relate. I don't see what you attempt to accomplish here. If you are concerned with me, you're more than welcome to join the discussion about these issues after the elections and get your voice heard. I try to include both sides in the issue documents where possible, which is why an issue about L4 missions also mentioned that some players think L4s pay too much and should be moved to low-sec (met with laughter by CCP), and reprocessed loot might be injecting too much minerals into the economy (something they claim they're looking at). Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto This is not reality, and as such it doesn't need to conform to the behavioural norms of reality. Theft, assault and murder are commonplace here, and that is entirely intentional. You're trying to ensure fair sentencing for criminals, I'm trying to ensure good gameplay. Oh, but I ensuring good gameplay before anything else. It is entirely in the spirit of EVE as well, your criminal action will have meaningful consequence (which it currently does not). As said in the past, I strongly prefer a player-driven justice system over artificial game mechanics/restrictions. Which is why my own Ultima Online server ran on a modified Felucca ruleset where PVP was allowed, not a Trammel one. But anyone belonging to a town militia could toss a murderer in jail for three days, if they managed to kill them. Now once more to be clear, I don't say that such a system should be implemented in EVE, but EVE should have more consequences for crime, and more ways for players to police themselves. We all know the current bounty system doesn't work. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Yes, attacking someone and taking their stuff is mean, and it costs them more than it gains you. Where would the fun be otherwise? If I wanted protection from this stuff, I'd go play a well-designed MMO. I choose to embrace it, and so I play Eve. What's your excuse? Did that just imply that you think EVE is not a well-designed MMO? You're just digging your own grave here, not long now before you reach the bottom. Vote Sokratesz!
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.21 09:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Seems pretty easy to get exact numbers, really. Just give it a shot. Make a few mil(or a few hundred mil, if the guy's right), and learn something about the profession you'd like to see neutered. It's not like you don't have the sec status to burn. That suggestion is highly immoral and not something I am capable of. Oh wow. This is why you will never see a vote from me or anyone of my ilk (ie, people with a bit of grey matter). If you are unable to explore or even educate yourself about the very issues you seek to bring change to then you really have no place in the CSM process. You could even do a 'dummy run' and sit on gates carrying out 'mock' suicide ganks for an hour or two and go off a 50% drop rate from your 'targets' to work out your yield with docking up for 15 minutes after each 'strike'. If at all possible could you link us to a character of yours that you have 'experienced' 0.0 in because what I've pulled up is most unimpressive both in terms of knowledge of how to fit ships and depth of experience. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.21 09:07:00 - [33] Lark and me agree? STOP THE PRESSES Vote Sokratesz!
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 09:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Oh wow. This is why you will never see a vote from me or anyone of my ilk (ie, people with a bit of grey matter). If you are unable to explore or even educate yourself about the very issues you seek to bring change to then you really have no place in the CSM process. My track record proves that I am easily the CSM that educates myself most, due to all the feedback and player communication Take Care provides. There are many people that can contribute in a constructive fashion, which resulted in quality issue documents. Instead of only seeing issues from the perspective and interests of a large 0.0 alliance or a limited playstyle, I am unbiased, as proven in the past, and raise issues in a manner that benefit the overall EVE community. Quote: If at all possible could you link us to a character of yours that you have 'experienced' 0.0 in because what I've pulled up is most unimpressive both in terms of knowledge of how to fit ships and depth of experience. I find speaking of your character, when you insinuate 0.0 is only about pimping your killboard stats. Originally by: Sokratesz You're just digging your own grave here, not long now before you reach the bottom. Oh, just because some 0.0 elitist thinks so? I think the majority of the EVE players will think, and vote, otherwise.
Jenina Hawke Minmatar Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2010.04.21 09:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. This kind of crap is one of the reasons I would never vote for you, despite the fact that you are a woman. Good luck, but I sincerely hope you do not get voted in. Jen
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.21 09:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Sokratesz You're just digging your own grave here, not long now before you reach the bottom. Oh, just because some 0.0 elitist thinks so? I think the majority of the EVE players will think, and vote, otherwise. You forgo the fact that explosions are what runs the EVE economy. No ship losses = no market for your loot, LP or minerals. The 'moral highground' you claim to possess does not exist in EVE - it's the very nature of the game. Play or be played, eat or be eaten. The EVE you envisage lacks everything that makes the game exciting.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Sokratesz You forgo the fact that explosions are what runs the EVE economy. No ship losses = no market for your loot, LP or minerals. The 'moral highground' you claim to possess does not exist in EVE - it's the very nature of the game. Play or be played, eat or be eaten. The EVE you envisage lacks everything that makes the game exciting. And where did I say I don't want any pretty explosions? With player-driven justice implemented correctly, it will lead to more PVP. Things like tradable kill rights, bounty hunting, player policing enrich EVE, and certainly make it more exciting for everyone. --- Now running for CSM5.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Sokratesz You forgo the fact that explosions are what runs the EVE economy. No ship losses = no market for your loot, LP or minerals. The 'moral highground' you claim to possess does not exist in EVE - it's the very nature of the game. Play or be played, eat or be eaten. The EVE you envisage lacks everything that makes the game exciting. And where did I say I don't want any pretty explosions? With player-driven justice implemented correctly, it will lead to more PVP. Things like tradable kill rights, bounty hunting, player policing enrich EVE, and certainly make it more exciting for everyone. Thats what people do in 0.0, or should do, run the police in their own space.
Dee Tearant	Posted - 2010.04.21 10:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't know anything more than you do. I must have mistaken the CSM4 ban with a complete ban for the CSM. Doesn't that show a lack of attention to detail? Originally by: SlaveChild 101 Now goon fleet are no longer able to vote *** i think its time we have some fresh blood amongst the CSM members. You and I must have a different opinion of "fresh blood" So far Ankhesentapemkah has been in CSM 1 and 2 and has been in CSM 3 and 4 via proxy (in many cases drafting issues for her selected proxy and putting them on the Wiki for them - no attempt made to disguise this behaviour). "Fresh blood" would imply somebody new to the process. Originally by:** Ankhesentapemkah Q: Aren't two terms on the CSM enough for you? A: I am personally very sceptical to lifting the term limit, and was rather enjoying my vacation. However, the CSM have now become official stakeholders. While I was on the CSM, my influence was marginal. Sceptical of the term limit removal but you are running again anyway. I guess the temptation of holding power directly instead of via proxy was too much for your distaste of the limit removal. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I stand the best chance of getting elected for Take Care. You are not independent at all, just you represent a group of people without an easily identifiable corp/alliance affiliation.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2010.04.21 11:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Yes I tried to get feedback from the victimsers, but all I got was "Waaah you nerfed my easy income, I made 100 mil an hour ganking indiscriminately!". Considering it take an hour of hardcore grind (the trick with multiple missions against multiple faction rats in multiple systems, few hours of 0.0 ratting or more hours of empire missioning or lowsec ratting to offset a single gank if people still make 100M an hour despite that surely some stupid bears should start to tank their haulers no? Or are you simply lying? And no I never suicided for ISKs, all I ever suicided was obvious macros and recently people with which I had a disagreement on local etiquette. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog

Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.21 12:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 21/04/2010 12:29:54 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Oh wow. This is why you will never see a vote from me or anyone of my ilk (ie, people with a bit of grey matter). If you are unable to explore or even educate yourself about the very issues you seek to bring change to then you really have no place in the CSM process. My track record proves that I am easily the CSM that educates myself most, due to all the feedback and player communication Take Care provides. There are many people that can contribute in a constructive fashion, which resulted in quality issue documents. Instead of only seeing issues from the perspective and interests of a large 0.0 alliance or a limited playstyle, I am unbiased, as proven in the past, and raise issues in a manner that benefit the overall EVE community. Excellent body swerve, you would make a smooth politico IRL. You are anything but unbiased and most of your knowledge of issues seems to come from the rabid frothings of aggrieved carebears. You may have a great team who are able to feed you with the information they want you to have but until you have some actual experience of how things work then you should steer clear. When I was on the CSM I never raised POS or industry related topics despite how well read on the issues I was or how much things were explained to me unless I had a grain of experience in the topic. Quote: Quote: If at all possible could you link us to a character of yours that you have 'experienced' 0.0 in because what I've pulled up is most unimpressive both in terms of knowledge of how to fit ships and depth of experience. I find speaking of your character, when you insinuate 0.0 is only about pimping your killboard stats. No, 0.0 is not just about pimping killboard stats but unless you can show some sort of proof of your experiences with lag, large scale fleet warfare, small gang PVP, sov mechanics then I'll ask you to please refrain from pretending you have any sort of knowledge of how things work. The fact that I can't find any evidence of any PVP activity in the past three months and prior to that the majority of your losses consisted of stabbed, cloaking probing vessels (perfect for capping those plexes) says to me you have no idea of how things work. EDIT: The income gained from suicide ganking is variable. It's boring and you're at the mercy of the loot fairy. Eve has always been presented as a game of risk vs reward. The victim is taking the risk by flying AFK with high value cargo in an untanked ship. Surely if he loses it this is his punishment for his stupidity. The risks are well documented and if people educated themselves or stopped making the same mistakes over and over again then incidences of suicide ganking (which is not a widespread problem despite what the hardcore of whiners would have you believe) would drop overnight. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.21 12:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. More permanent consequences for criminals, you're very fond of criminals losing stats and skills and deleting the characters of people who violenced your boat? I think those FW exploiters could do with a ban, you know. You'd be a good start. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.04.21 13:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. Putting something like that in a game where character development is defined by a timer and the server, rather than how much time to grind a character has is complete MMO suicide. A hulk takes a couple of days to raise the cash to buy if you have the time to play long enough, hell, it takes 5 minutes if you sell a couple of PLEXes or GTCs. It's not a hugely important or valuable asset, just like any other ship. The imbalance comes when you have stupid ideas like this put forward, which could potentially destroy up to seven years of character development for blowing up a spaceship in a PVP centric game. Pleasant girl and all that, spoke with you briefly at Fanfest and you seemed nice enough but I'm sorry, you don't have the slightest clue about how Eve works. For the sake of us all, please stick to mainstream MMO content development. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 13:38:00 - [44] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 21/04/2010 13:41:33 For gods sake, how many times must I repeat myself that I don't want to see that in EVE? I mean, it was only included twice in the original post, then clarified three more times. Yeah, could kinda expect the campaign thread to be trolled to hell, but it would be nice if the critics would make some sense. Instead of repeating eachother over and over over something that has already been answered several times. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.21 13:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah For gods sake, how many times must I repeat myself that I don't want to see that in EVE You said it was impractical in EVE which suggests that you'd really like that sort of thing except it's a problem to implement. Which is every bit just as disqualifying. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 13:59:00 - [46] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 21/04/2010 13:59:42 points you at FAQ points you at the three clarifications in the post above --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.04.21 14:45:00 - [47] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh, but I ensuring good gameplay before anything else. It is entirely in the spirit of EVE as well, your criminal action will have meaningful consequence (which it currently does not). As said in the past, I strongly prefer a player-driven justice system over artificial game mechanics/restrictions. Which is why my own Ultima Online server ran on a modified Felucca ruleset where PVP was allowed, not a Trammel one. But anyone belonging to a town militia could toss a murderer in jail for three days, if they managed to kill them. Now once more to be clear, I don't say that such a system should be implemented in EVE, but EVE should have more consequences for crime, and more ways for players to police themselves. We all know the current bounty system doesn't work. OK, let's pretend your discussion of deleting PvPers characters or removing SP as a punishment for criminal activity was nothing more than a somewhat unfortunately chosen example. What would you consider to be a reasonable consequence for crime? Is your focus restricted to highsec-dwelling suicide gankers, or do you think the blinky denizens of lowsec also need further constraints on their behaviour?
Jareck Hunter Rubicon Legion	Posted - 2010.04.21 15:39:00 - [48] Lol after reading all this, could you, if you win a csm place, please suggest an IQ Test after hitting Post Reply Button?^^ I like your ideas and will support you if possible. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 15:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus What would you consider to be a reasonable consequence for crime? Tradable kill rights on criminals. Bounties paying out based on loss inflicted. Game mechanics supporting bountyhunting/vigilante officer as a profession. Implementation of a criminal record. Reduction in insurance payout for criminal acts. Not that that will do much against suicide destroyers, though, and it is an artificial game mechanic, while I prefer player-driven mechanics. Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Is your focus restricted to highsec-dwelling suicide gankers, or do you think the blinky denizens of lowsec also need further constraints on their behaviour? Absolutely not. The agression mechanics can already be restrictive in low-sec, with players suffering sec hits because they strike first against known enemies. Any further restrictions there can and will only be gamed, and solves nothing. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That suggestion is highly immoral and not something I am capable of. Sure you're capable of it. You just don't want to. But if it's your morals you worry about, limit yourself to suiciding yellow ships and ransoming red pods. They deserve it, right? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This is still totally irrelevant. My point was that there is not enough consequence to crime, not that someone found a quicker way to the cheese. Same difference. The consequences are supposed to take 4 hours to work off, but players figured out how to game the system and do it in one, so now you want to punish them harder because the people who are pro at fixing their sec are too good at it. Consequences are reduced by players figuring out how to minimize them - it's a normal part of all games played by geeks, but you take offense because they're doing it to aid in a profession you dislike. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I said no such thing. Then why did you even bring it up? We all know that other games have more consequences for PvP than Eve does - heck, it's why a lot of us choose to play Eve. What was the point of mentioning UO's rather over the top punishment system? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah No doubt that my mental model doesn't match that of you or many other people, for that matter. Every individual is unique. Fortunately there are thousands of players out there that can relate. I don't see what you attempt to accomplish here. If you are concerned with me, you're more than welcome to join the discussion about these issues after the elections and get your voice heard. I try to include both sides in the issue documents where possible, which is why an issue about L4 missions also mentioned that some players think L4s pay too much and should be moved to low-sec (met with laughter by CCP), and reprocessed loot might be injecting too much minerals into the economy (something they claim they're looking at). Elections matter. Putting you on council puts a voice for a viewpoint I don't share into CCP's advisory council. Thus, if possible, I'd like to see to it that you don't get elected. I know you'll probably win, but it's worth a shot. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh, but I ensuring good gameplay before anything else. It is entirely in the spirit of EVE as well, your criminal action will have meaningful consequence (which it currently does not). As said in the past, I strongly prefer a player-driven justice system over artificial game mechanics/restrictions. Which is why my own Ultima Online server ran on a modified Felucca ruleset where PVP was allowed, not a Trammel one. But anyone belonging to a town militia could toss a murderer in jail for three days, if they managed to kill them. Now once more to be clear, I don't say that such a system should be implemented in EVE, but EVE should have more consequences for crime, and more ways for players to police themselves. We all know the current bounty system doesn't work. I actually do agree regarding the bounty system. It needs serious work. But saying that there's no consequences to crime is silly. The consequences are fairly serious, you're just annoyed that people know how to minimize them. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Did that just imply that you think EVE is not a well-designed MMO? Here I thought I flat-out stated it. Yes, this game is deeply crap in some important ways. The UI was designed by a drunken Excel macro, half the features are obvious abandonware, and it's been seven years without them being able to code a bloody chat channel or webforum properly. The reason I play it is because it's unique in a few regards - the sandboxy empire building, the hilarious backstabbing, and the fact that it actually treats its players like adults and expects them to take care of themselves.

Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 21/04/2010 13:41:33 For gods sake, how many times must I repeat myself that I don't want to see that in EVE? I mean, it was only included twice in the original post, then clarified three more times. Yeah, could kinda expect the campaign thread to be trolled to hell, but it would be nice if the critics would make some sense. Instead of repeating eachother over and over over something that has already been answered several times. The intention is there regardless of whether it's practical or not, there's no need to throw your toys from the pram. That alone gives a good idea of your mindset and attitude toward PvP without mutual consent. To me it just seems like you have it in for pirates and NBSI PvPers, and can't accept the fact that aggression without mutual consent is one of the cornerstones of Eve's gameplay. You need a wakeup call that Eve's economy is built on the action of NBSI PvP. People like us create the demand for hardware. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Jack bubu Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:52:00 - [52] You still want to turn EVE into hello kitty online?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:55:00 - [53] Go over the track record. You will find all issue documents unbiassed and balanced. You'll also find that a lot of these issues have been approved unanimously by the other CSM, including the Suicide Gank issue. So a disagreement with the way I have proposed issues is not just a disagreement with me, but with every other CSM that worked with me. What my own personal view on these issues is, is actually completely irrelevant. I have and will always represent the players, and not an agenda of my own. That is why Take Care has been so succesful, and held a seat on every CSM to date. It is a prime example of direct democracy in action, with players retaining their voice after they have cast their vote. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.21 21:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah a lot of these issues have been approved unanimously by the other CSM News: Ten carebears care more then one carebear. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.21 21:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah a lot of these issues have been approved unanimously by the other CSM News: Ten carebears care more then one carebear. Are you trying to say that the CSM is full of carebears? Because I think Larkonis, Darius, Mazz, Tea, Aleks, and about a dozen others might take some offense to that characterization.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.04.22 08:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah So a disagreement with the way I have proposed issues is not just a disagreement with me, but with every other CSM that worked with me. No, it isn't. It's a disagreement with you. I can see the way you're trying to spin it, but I'm not talking about the things that have been suggested that you've agreed with, I'm talking about your own agenda that you've put forward regarding hammering people into the ground who promote non consensual PvP. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah What my own personal view on these issues is, is actually completely irrelevant. I have and will always represent the players, and not an agenda of my own. It's wholeheartedly and completely relevant as it gives us an insight into what Eve will be in your eyes. You'll always have your own agenda and regardless of how unbiased you claim to me you'll always pick a side, it's human nature to do so. As for "Take Care", it's not an example of anything, other than the fact that highsec mission runners and miners are an abundant species in Eve and will stick together and blob vote for their own benefit when it's needed. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:02:00 - [57] While nobody can be entirely unbiased, there are several parts of this manifesto that I would like to show support for. Good luck!
So Sensational Tutorial and High Security Quality Assurance Team	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Ophelia Ursus What would you consider to be a reasonable consequence for crime? Tradable kill rights on criminals. Bounties paying out based on loss inflicted. Game mechanics supporting bountyhunting/vigilante officer as a profession. Implementation of a criminal record. Reduction in insurance payout for criminal acts. Not that that will do much against suicide destroyers, though, and it is an artificial game mechanic, while I prefer player-driven mechanics. Everything but the last part of this quote seems fairly reasonable, but the way you've been spinning stuff in this thread makes me want to spit in your face. But then again I just don't like elections and/or politicians so it's nothing personal. I do like the idea of a functional, player enforced bounty hunting system. I should design one and run for CSM.
Slaveskin	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:53:00 - [59] Madam, you have my Vote and my free Bump! salutes
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.04.22 16:48:00 - [60] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 22/04/2010 16:50:26 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I have NEVER capped a plex while cloaked. Not on Ankh, and not on any alt. It is one of the exploits for which I was in direct contact with CCP to get it fixed, and kept mailing them about it for over 3 months. I am quite sure PERVS can supply Eve community with numerous images of timer running down on it's own while you are only war target in system or killmails of your cloaked and stabbed frigates which you were happy to use before it was made impossible to use cloak to cap the plex. And yes, you submitted it to Star Fraction about us exploiting when it was merely the thing you yourself had used all the time. To save people the effort, this here is the relevant part: "As you may know, the PERVS and Cadre corps are exploiting FW bugs heavily and currently capturing all Minmatar space. If nothing is done they'll have it within the month." However, it soon became clear that this was exactly what you had been doing all the time in FW yourself and you were simply angry that someone dared to turn the tables on you and multiply your own exploiting (as you call it) tenfold. So no. You are not suitable for CSM as your own position on game and what is best seems to chance for whatever supports the current RP faction you are aligned to. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Edit: Sorry about the Star Fraction link. It's the "K-word" on the sensored bit

Bunyip Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:12:00 - [61] Hello again Ankh, I must say that I like some of the ideas you've put forward about the crime and punishment in the game. However, whether take credit has a background of people who offer advice to the delegate or not, you do need personal experience in the field to be able to make an honest opinion on the fly (such as in Reykjavik and such). Also, the fact that you call yourself unbiased is a bias in itself. Everybody, despite how much they campaign to be all for the players, have a bias. Even if it doesn't come to the front as often, it's still there lurking in the background. I'll not flame you directly here, as it would be uncouth. I will wait til more information has been released about your opinions (note I said your, not take credit's) before I make a final judgment. At this time, due to my personal history in the CSM as well as your previous activities in the game and the CSM, I cannot say I could justify voting for you. Even still, best of luck to you, and may it be a great campaign. "May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Zephyris Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:35:00 - [62] Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:37:17 Originally by: So Sensational Then again I just don't like elections and/or politicians except T'amber so it's nothing personal. Removed trolling comments - Adida Vote T'amber for CSM5Ö

CCP Adida	Posted - 2010.04.22 19:11:00 - [63] Please stay on topic. If you disagree with something please be constructive in your response. Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Fuku Hitori	Posted - 2010.04.23 08:21:00 - [64] Since I do receive feedback from a lot of players, I do feel more than qualified to take a position in this matter. It doesn't bother me as much that people can run missions, it is the fact that it is so easy, guarantees profit, and has no meaningful consequence. Yes I tried to get feedback from these players, but all I got was "Waaah you nerfed my easy income, I made 100 mil an hour ganking NPC's indiscriminately!". Threads like this don't help much either to get my sympathy. CCP would look into more permanent consequences but so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where players could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and ultimately tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games where PvE characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's NPC spawn, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to running missions.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2010.04.23 08:35:00 - [65] If there is possibility to get isk by killing other players someone will do it. If you make hard penalties for killing other player, people just make alts and invent other ways to avoid penalty on their main. It seems that you want to get rid of alt suicide gankers, making penalties harder does not help on that at all. You want to do this game isk without risk game, and that kind of game is not the game i want to play. so not vote for you on this time.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.23 10:58:00 - [66] If you want to eliminate suicide ganking then you have to eliminate stupidity. Perhaps you could lobby CCP to distribute Iodine supplements to subscribers? Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.23 12:20:00 - [67] Dohohoho Quote: FW trouble From: Ankhesentapemkah Sent: 2009.12.04 02:05 To: Jade Constantine, Hello Jade, how's it going? As you may know, the PERVS and Cadre corps are exploiting FW bugs heavily and currently capturing all Minmatar space. If nothing is done they'll have it within the month. I've already informed CCP but CCP didnt care when they used exploits to capture all gallente space either, stupid slackers. Anyway, Z0D, my puppet on the CSM, is hiring all mercs he can find to grief them out of the game if CCp doesnt ban them, and Electus matari and a lot of gallente FW corps are going after them as well, starting this weekend. I'll finally get into PVP with my alt, as this is something worth fighting for! Are you in as well? Thanks, Eva Info about the targets: Main Targets: Damar Rocarion Bad Messenger Unfamed II Kuolematon Yuri Intaki (likely Damar's alt or shared account) Target Corps: Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United The Cadre Whatever corp they use for their alts, suspected corp is Emperor Throne Guards as they used this in the past. Target Corp Members: Blaze Doran, SoKore, Minh Aldara, Lt Merc (Cadre) Cletanainen, Lancress, Lina Lucent, Prismaa, Vampy Vampress, Tupsu, Tosi, Talerco and Sidaro (pervs) Alts used for FW: Michiru Murakami, Huppu Hemmo, Eva Jubse, Suurimaaami Mehmed, Maik Zierra, Sentern Embric, Pahani Julmu, Mestari Jaakko, Zan Fee, Rage coordinator, viidentahden vakooja, Per Capano, Pim Panero, Xian Bling Time Zone: Damar and Bad Messenger are confirmed Finnish, Unfamed II is suspected USA, Kuolematon is suspected British. A lot of them are unemployed and can be found online at any time. PERVS is a finnish-exclusive corp, while Cadre is their non-finnish wing. Locations: They get a lot of income grinding FW missions in Old Man Star and Ladastier, which they permanently occupy. Main focus should be the plexing efforts they are currently undertaking in Minmatar FW space, use the map settings Occupancy, Defensive, Minmatar to see the problem zones where they are active. Their alts are untrained and only fly destroyers and T1 frigs. Kill them all, *** Usual questions about what we can actually do about t1 frigs and destroyers in small complexes though. My bold. The source is, unfortunately, the site that can not be named. If this is the level of respect you show to your fellow Take Care representatives I shudder to think of the contempt you hold us mere mortals in. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.04.23 13:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler My bold. The source is, unfortunately, the site that can not be named. If this is the level of respect you show to your fellow Take Care representatives I shudder to think of the contempt you hold us mere mortals in. Good catch, my hat* off to you good sir! And just to confirm, only one doing standing exploits on our front was Ankh herself and few gallentes (both sides did cloaking exploit on some level when it was still possible). Damar Rocarion Brigadier General *Very nice old style black hat
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:49:00 - [69] So basically we have a known exploiter which is asking for players using legitimate mechanics to be more sternly punished and that is their election platform? Amazing. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Cpt Branko So basically we have a known exploiter which is asking for players using legitimate mechanics to be more sternly punished and that is their election platform? Amazing. You forgot to mention that, to add insult to injury, she's also ignorant of just about every aspect of the game other than missioning. From her own admission, she only got into FW to "get the medals". Pathetic really... There is no signature

mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.23 21:22:00 - [71] hey ankhasdfsdas- where did you get your votes last times you won? you campaigned on eve-o, and on your site, where else did you campaign? did you get votes via individual convos, or campaigning on some other eve forum? MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010
Dianeces SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 22:11:00 - [72] Hello Anklebiter. You don't mind if I call you Anklebiter, do you? Your other name is quite incomprehensible. In any event, I would like to understand why you refuse to participate in certain aspects of this great game of ours. Surely participating in 0.0 PvP would give you a better understanding of the problems associated with it. You were okay with joining Factional Warfare in order to exploit the system and get medals, why not 0.0 or suicide ganking? Furthermore, I've noticed that you have joined CVA. What happened to your pledge to stand up to the giant 0.0 entities for the little guy? I don't understand how you can stand up to something you belong to. Please enlighten me.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.23 22:43:00 - [73] Originally by: Dianeces Surely participating in 0.0 PvP would give you a better understanding of the problems associated with it. You were okay with joining Factional Warfare in order to exploit the system and get medals, why not 0.0 or suicide ganking? Furthermore, I've noticed that you have joined CVA. What happened to your pledge to stand up to the giant 0.0 entities for the little guy? I don't understand how you can stand up to something you belong to. Please enlighten me. Hey now, be fair. She tried to get in on PvP, she just joined CVA by mistake. And she did try to stand up to the big 0.0 alliances, but it turns out that sitting in a plex for 15 minutes and hoping nobody kills you doesn't stop an outpost from getting conquered. Who knew?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.24 00:54:00 - [74] Edited by: Lady Spank on 24/04/2010 00:57:41 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. Between this, your factional warfare exploitation and your confused message regarding 0.0 life and politics you seem very confused and inconsistent. I think even pointless forum alts like Cat and that Emo kid have a stronger campaign. ~_~
Logan Xerxes Xerxes Security	Posted - 2010.04.24 07:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Lady Spank your confused That's one way of putting it. Late last year me and Ankhe had an RP disagreement (yeah I know lolRP***. Basically my character called her character out on some things. Now usually people jsut shrung and roll on from this. But Not Ankhe! Following on from this I soon get a convo from her CEO explaining that she's had a megameltdown in corpchat about me "being extremely man and hateful" to HER the player. Reportedly driving her to tears IRL. This was not the only incident of this type. tl;dr Ankhe is not mentally stable enough to be on the CSM. NO VOTES FOR CRAZIES!
So Sensational Tutorial and High Security Quality Assurance Team	Posted - 2010.04.24 13:59:00 - [76] Originally by: T'Amber Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:37:17 Originally by: So Sensational Then again I just don't like elections and/or politicians except T'amber so it's nothing personal. Removed trolling comments - Adida

CCP Shadow C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.24 14:49:00 - [77] Yet more trolling and insults removed. If you want to direct questions to the CSM candidate, debate her stance on game issues, and so on, that's great. But you don't need to be a troll or a mud slinger to accomplish this.

Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.04.24 18:07:00 - [78] Good to see you running for CSM again Ank. Good chance I will be voting for you again, as I've been voting Take Care from the start :)
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.04.24 18:55:00 - [79] Well, I can see that you are able to rattle a lot of people I consider to be jerks, so you can't be all bad. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.04.24 23:29:00 - [80] Anti-PVP, and therefore anti-EVE

T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Zephyris Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.25 06:19:00 - [81] Originally by: CCP Adida Please stay on topic. If you disagree with something please be constructive in your response. My comments were directed at So Sensational and were not trolls. -T'amber Vote T'amber for CSM5Ö
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.25 11:51:00 - [82] Edited by: Liranan on 25/04/2010 11:55:54 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Name: Eva Jobse Age: 26 Occupation: Game Designer, specialized in MMO Game Balance and Economics Character: Ankhesentapemkah Affiliation: Neutral AHAHAHAHAHAHA Brilliant troll, brilliant! Correct occupation should read: super, insecure, terrified carebear, specialised in FW expploitation and reporting of those who exploit better than myself You're that person they turned to at the CSM for faction warfare advice, until they realised you know absolutely nothing about it. You just exploited, instead of playing, and embarrassed yourself. And then you come up with the idea to punish empire suicide ganking? This game will never turn into Hello Kitty because PVP is what drives this game. Without (empire) PVP your 'achievements' are meaningless, like the PVP in WoW and games that have been nerfed to oblivion (UO & EQ). You desire PVP to be outlawed full stop, so, you can mine and mission to hearts content, not realising that there's nothing you can do with all the money you hoard. Look at all the pvp-free games, like WoW, where people have all that gold but do nothing with it. You say you oppose the idea of ban but you'd like us all to buy a ship once and never lose it, not realising that nobody would build ships or mine, because it'd be pointless. Look at professions in those silly carebear games, there is no market to speak of and people do nothing with their obtained goods. You refuse to learn about PVP and suicide ganking, not because it's against your morals but because you're scared of losing things. You're so scared you won't even fit a tier 1 bs, fit it with smart bombs and crash it into a group of miners. You've never tasted the thrill of watching other peoples ships go boom and all you know about PVP is what you've read. I have been suicide ganked and have lost billions in the process, but I have also done it to others and see the fun in it. You lie about the 100m/hour suicide gankers make because I've seen empty freighters blown up, simply for the fun of it. It's tragic and sad that you just don't understand a thing about EVE. You are the worst possible candidate for CSM but you will get on the board, no doubt, simply because there're enough people who just don't realise that PVP is the beating heart of EVE. My advice to you: join the great institution that is EVE-Uni and learn how to PVP before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.25 12:05:00 - [83] Originally by: Dirk Mortice Anti-PVP, and therefore anti-EVE Like to blow stuff up? Vote Sokratesz for a PVP voice!
ArmyOfMe Resonance. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.04.25 18:33:00 - [84] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 21/04/2010 06:56:52 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. Oh wow, jesus. This is pretty much why we need the option to vote against candidates as well as for them. /signed that someone like this could ever be voted into the csm scares the **** out of me
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.25 21:17:00 - [85] Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/04/2010 21:19:38 That so many people who cant read are allowed to vote scares me. Gets my vote. And everyone who thinks eve needs free suicide ganking without any significant consequences is just plain stupid.
Soraya Nol	Posted - 2010.04.25 21:43:00 - [86] Here we have a player who has been active in eve for several years and still hasn't the slightest clue of what this game is about. There is a deeper problem here that is nicely illustrated by this. Eve, as every serious player knows is about risk, none consential pvp, the possibilty of a really crushing, heart breaking blow if you're not paying attention. At the very heart of the game design is the pvp mechanics. Eve won't take you by the hand and protect you from being stupid. It will reward you for going out and do stuff and will punish hard for not paying attention. Now comes the high sec crowd, who are paying subscription fees etc. You see we can't blame ccp for indulging these players with lvl 4 missions and mining mechanics. They are a very substantial part of their income... But they are inbalncing the intended gameplay. Ankhe here is part of this group of players. The people who feel they are entitled to safe risk free gameplay in a game that was never intended that way. Tbh we can't blame people like ankhe for feeling entitled to this, besides for being too stupid to realize what kind of a game they are playing. We have to blame ccp for that.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.25 22:03:00 - [87] Not too interested in a long reply, but something at least: Risk works two ways. Right now suicide gankers also dont have any risk at all. Hell when doing lvl 4 missions you got higher risk than when suicide ganking. And no, losing your ship to concord is not a risk, it is something that just will happen and doesnt cost you anything. If you call that a risk, then losing your ammo would be a risk of running lvl 4 missions. The second part i want to mention are the targets, and this is more something in general. The ganker crowd who does everything as long as it gives them kms, since that makes them horny, usually are whining for easier way to get ganks. Removal of WTZ, no more local, ships instaploding when you come near them, etc. This stuff is usually proposed by those who have themselves either alts which make their isk, since apparently just doing it on your main is not done, or they sell plexes for their isk. One day, hopefully for them, they will realise that making it easier to gank pve'ers does in fact not give them more kills. Usually they just seem not able to grasp the idea that not everyone uses their alts to make isk in high sec, the ship they just ganked was used to make their isk. If you make it easier to gank the people who do have the balls to make their isk in 0.0/low sec (compared to those who use alts in high sec), you only chase them back to lvl 4 missions (and no moving lvl 4 missions to low sec wont work either). Doing it the other way around would work way better, make pve in 0.0 and low sec safer. (The idea already will make some go emo). Then you get more potential targets, with each a lower chance to be killed, but your total amount of kills shouldnt change. Since each is killed less, they are more likely to stay in low sec/0.0 instead of doing lvl 4 missions. And when i say safer i dont mean implement bacon (hmmm bacon) for everyone or make instanced mission sites. A (imo) better solution would be changing more rats to sleeper ai, and in general make the rats more pvp like, so i can fit a mwd on a ship to run low sec missions in, which makes sure i am not a sitting duck at the first gate camp. The sleeper ai might just decide to bbq the ship you just wanted to gank the pve'er with. Then at the same time you can make changes to local (which i agree shouldnt be an intel source) and to the directional scanner (removing local and forcing you to smash a button every 15 seconds is ******ed). This way you would get more fights, and less easy ganks. Additionally i would like to see that in low sec the fights are moved away from the gates and to the belts, missions, etc. One of the main reasons many never go to low sec or 0.0 is that the time they went to low sec they got bbq'ed at the first gate. Now surely in the mindset of quite some pirates that is awesome, since it yielded them a tristan killmail, but in the long run that isnt good for your profession. So from ankhe i would like to know what your opinion is about more sleeper ais (and in general this post).
Mercurye	Posted - 2010.04.25 23:11:00 - [88] Originally by: Soraya Nol Here we have a player who has been active in eve for several years and still hasn't the slightest clue of what this game is about. There is a deeper problem here that is nicely illustrated by this. Eve, as every serious player knows is about risk, none consential pvp, the possibilty of a really crushing, heart breaking blow if you're not paying attention. At the very heart of the game design is the pvp mechanics. Eve won't take you by the hand and protect you from being stupid. It will reward you for going out and do stuff and will punish hard for not paying attention. Now comes the high sec crowd, who are paying subscription fees etc. You see we can't blame ccp for indulging these players with lvl 4 missions and mining mechanics. They are a very substantial part of their income... But they are inbalncing the intended gameplay. Ankhe here is part of this group of players. The people who feel they are entitled to safe risk free gameplay in a game that was never intended that way. Tbh we can't blame people like ankhe for feeling entitled to this, besides for being too stupid to realize what kind of a game they are playing. We have to blame ccp for that. I guess I could see myself as a 'High-sec dweller' with occasional fun trips to low-sec , but I darn well know the risks and responsibilities that come with it ;0 If you ever run for CSM and intend to get rid of these kind of players I would gladly vote for you: That would save me a subscription fee after all ;) ~~~~~~~~~~Sade~~~~~~~~~~ Stronger than Pride
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.25 23:48:00 - [89] Originally by: Furb Killer And everyone who thinks eve needs free suicide ganking without any significant consequences is just plain stupid. You lose your ship. You can't undock in anything bigger than a pod for 15 minutes. You take a sec status hit. Your target gets the right to kill you in highsec. You can't attempt another serious gank in the same place until after downtime. And for this you get a chance to kill the target, a chance that the stuff you want will drop if you succeed, and a chance that your alt will be the one who manages to scoop whatever does drop. You can argue that this is too little, or too much. But referring to it as "no significant consequences" is, well, just plain stupid. As for that second post, I have no idea what it is you're trying to say.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:15:00 - [90] I didnt expect you would understand it with a mindset that doesnt come further than: "need easier ganks for killmails". And regarding the suicide ganks: 1. It was said eve NEEDS it, eve doesnt need it, the economy wouldnt collapse without suicide ganks. And like i said, if you see losing a fully insured ship that nets you a profit by losing it as a risk, then lvl 4 missions are also risky since you lose ammo. 15 minutes not undocking, w00t big deal. And not being able to actually kill the target? Yes that is a risk, kinda like the risk of losing your ship in a mission, in both cases it means you just didnt do it right.

Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:56:00 - [91] Edited by: Liranan on 26/04/2010 06:59:57 Originally by: Furb Killer I didnt expect you would understand it with a mindset that doesnt come further than: "need easier ganks for killmails". And regarding the suicide ganks: 1. It was said eve NEEDS it, eve doesnt need it, the economy wouldnt collapse without suicide ganks. And like i said, if you see losing a fully insured ship that nets you a profit by losing it as a risk, then lvl 4 missions are also risky since you lose ammo. 15 minutes not undocking, w00t big deal. And not being able to actually kill the target? Yes that is a risk, kinda like the risk of losing your ship in a mission, in both cases it means you just didnt do it right. How wrong you are, there're hundreds of BS' lost on a daily basis to suicide ganking. Do you have any idea how many ships are lost, fueling mining and manufacturing? I will tell you now, it's in the thousands, and you want to kill the most important professions in EVE: manufacturing and mining. Please, go play WoW or Hello Kitty. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.26 07:15:00 - [92] Originally by: Furb Killer I didnt expect you would understand it with a mindset that doesnt come further than: "need easier ganks for killmails". And regarding the suicide ganks: 1. It was said eve NEEDS it, eve doesnt need it, the economy wouldnt collapse without suicide ganks. And like i said, if you see losing a fully insured ship that nets you a profit by losing it as a risk, then lvl 4 missions are also risky since you lose ammo. 15 minutes not undocking, w00t big deal. And not being able to actually kill the target? Yes that is a risk, kinda like the risk of losing your ship in a mission, in both cases it means you just didnt do it right. Yeah, I'm such a killmail *** that I have a total of 7 lifetime kills on Battleclinic. You don't get much more yarr than that, amirite? As for the economic impact, Eve is a really bizarre case, because it basically runs entirely on the broken window fallacy. In any sort of real-world economics, destruction is bad no matter what it does to nominal GDP, because it wastes productive effort on replacement instead of expansion. In Eve, the saturation point for stuff is far lower, and productive effort is something we want to maximize(since it's a game, not a job), and so we make those match up by blowing ** up. In other words, the economy is built on the principle that creation is just time-delayed destruction, and so destruction is actually more or less a good thing. You could of course build a game on a different set of assumptions - most MMOs do - but that's how Eve is designed. As for the merits of suicide ganks, your data is out of date. Losing a battleship costs you a few mil after insurance, plus a mil a gun or so, plus the assorted other gear to make it work(damage mods, faction ammo, drones, scram, possibly a MWD or some EW). You fit cheap, of course, but you can fairly reasonably lose 10 mil on a gank BS, from my back-of-envelope numbers here. All this for the potential of a payout that you might even get to keep. I'm not saying it can't be profitable - obviously it can be. But it's nowhere near the "100 mil an hour for no effort" that Ankh is suggesting. There exist hours you make 100 mil, but there exist a lot more hours where you make nothing at all. It is simply not income of the same sort as missioning.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.04.26 07:16:00 - [93] Edited by: Super Whopper on 26/04/2010 07:17:59 How nice of you to have editted your first posts, removing your proposal to have suicide gankers/pvpers banned for legitimate tactics. But post 28 still has you quoted and so have others, your stance towards PVP has been saved. I will not vote for you and neither should any other empire citizen.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.26 08:22:00 - [94] Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/04/2010 08:26:32 Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 26/04/2010 06:59:57 Originally by: Furb Killer I didnt expect you would understand it with a mindset that doesnt come further than: "need easier ganks for killmails". And regarding the suicide ganks: 1. It was said eve NEEDS it, eve doesnt need it, the economy wouldnt collapse without suicide ganks. And like i said, if you see losing a fully insured ship that nets you a profit by losing it as a risk, then lvl 4 missions are also risky since you lose ammo. 15 minutes not undocking, w00t big deal. And not being able to actually kill the target? Yes that is a risk, kinda like the risk of losing your ship in a mission, in both cases it means you just didnt do it right. How wrong you are, there're hundreds of BS' lost on a daily basis to suicide ganking. Do you have any idea how many ships are lost, fueling mining and manufacturing? I will tell you now, it's in the thousands, and you want to kill the most important professions in EVE: manufacturing and mining. Please, go play WoW or Hello Kitty. My god you are in a 0.0 alliance and this dense? You seriously think the few ships suicide ganked have any significant impact on the eve economy? The amount of ships lost in low sec, 0.0, and high sec wardecs are so much more the economy wouldnt for a second notice it when suicide ganking is removed tomorrow. And no, contrary to what you are going to claim next i dont say suicide ganking should be removed, but it should have meaningful consequences. Suicide ganking that guy in an untanked iteron who is moving faction ammo worth 3B, fine. Or that guy you really dislike (me for example), sure. But it shouldnt be profitable to close your eyes and gank a random target, and if you like ganking hulks for lulz you should really feel it in your wallet. And you seem to be obsessed with hello kitty, like it much? And if you mean by the hunderds of BS lost suicide ganking, those used for the suicide ganking, the same influence on the economy can (and is) created by just self destructing them. That the insurance and mineral market is at the moment obviously not healthy is not a reason why suicide ganking should be easy.
Nouvelle Noir	Posted - 2010.04.26 09:06:00 - [95] Edited by: Nouvelle Noir on 26/04/2010 09:07:19 I don't get what all the flaming self-proclaiming PVP-pros here want. If you don't want high-sec carebears in the game, if you want PVP only for everyone, go make yourself a CSM member AND TELL CCP DIRECTLY! Whining in the forums like "omgwtf! Ankh doesn't understand the game" is so damn stupid, because you people don't even understand anymore that there are different playstyles and they are indeed enjoyed, also by Ankh. She has her views and her opinion and enough people do want what she wants. If you want to do something against that, vote for the wtfpwnpvpplayer so he can take a contrary role. That's the purpose of the CSM. Thank you. Edit: and yes, omg, Ankh will get my damn vote, only to kick all of you trolls in your face!
Wanna Kill Caldari Amplified Pain	Posted - 2010.04.26 10:56:00 - [96] so what you're saying is, that if someone disagrees they should keep quiet? That's a refreshing point of view, please take it elsewhere ----------
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.26 10:57:00 - [97] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 26/04/2010 10:57:46 Originally by: Nouvelle Noir Edit: and yes, omg, Ankh will get my damn vote, only to kick all of you trolls in your face! You should probably educate yourself about Ankh. The fact that she's a carebear doesn't bother anyone, the fact that she's ignorant, blinkered, stupid, terrible and, worst of all, Dutch does (PS I don't have anything against Dutch people). You don't want to vote for a PVP centric candidate? That's fine, there's plenty out there who aren't Ankh. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.04.26 11:08:00 - [98] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 26/04/2010 10:57:46 Originally by: Nouvelle Noir Edit: and yes, omg, Ankh will get my damn vote, only to kick all of you trolls in your face! You should probably educate yourself about Ankh. The fact that she's a carebear doesn't bother anyone, the fact that she's [...] worst of all, Dutch, does hey! Director of Education :: EVE University CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.26 12:00:00 - [99] Edited by: Liranan on 26/04/2010 12:02:24 Originally by: Furb Killer My god you are in a 0.0 alliance and this dense? You seriously think the few ships suicide ganked have any significant impact on the eve economy? The amount of ships lost in low sec, 0.0, and high sec wardecs are so much more the economy wouldnt for a second notice it when suicide ganking is removed tomorrow. And no, contrary to what you are going to claim next i dont say suicide ganking should be removed, but it should have meaningful consequences. So, mr. economist, please do tell us what would happen to the hundreds of millions of units of minerals used up in the replacement of all these ships if suicide ganking were removed? Originally by: Furb Killer Suicide ganking that guy in an untanked iteron who is moving faction ammo worth 3B, fine. Or that guy you really dislike (me for example), sure. But it shouldnt be profitable to close your eyes and gank a random target, and if you like ganking hulks for lulz you should really feel it in your wallet. I'm glad it only takes one bs to suicide gank a freighter and the fool who moves 3b of equipment deserves it, I'm glad we both agree. Ships lost = ships replaced, shame you just don't understand it. Originally by: Furb Killer And you seem to be obsessed with hello kitty, like it much? It's an excellent place for you, Ankh. Originally by: Furb Killer And if you mean by the hunderds of BS lost suicide ganking, those used for the suicide ganking, the same influence on the economy can (and is) created by just self destructing them. That the insurance and mineral market is at the moment obviously not healthy is not a reason why suicide ganking should be easy. I'm glad the tooth fairy will eat all the minerals that will no longer be used by suicide gankers and the impact on the market will be minor, after all hundreds of millions of units of trit is nothing, right? Originally by: Larkonis Trassler You should probably educate yourself about Ankh. The fact that she's a carebear doesn't bother anyone, the fact that she's ignorant, blinkered, stupid, terrible and, worst of all, Dutch does (PS I don't have anything against Dutch people). You don't want to vote for a PVP centric candidate? That's fine, there's plenty out there who aren't Ankh. I shall suicide gank you, boi, for insulting us! Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.26 12:55:00 - [100] Hunderds of million tritanium? That is a billion isk in trit, nah that is nothing, you almost put that in a single dread. For comparison, AAA alone probably already nukes for 30B trit in a week where nothing happens, when there are some cap fights, or worse super cap deaths, it increases rapidly. But for clarification, which part of suicide ganking do you think is a requirement for the eve economy to prevent it from collapsing? The freighters that get destroyed or the fully insured bs that are lost and provide a huge isk source (didnt realise we lacked them), and effectively being equal to npc buy orders of minerals. Because you know as well as i do that a suicide gank bs is practicly free, so yes it exchanges minerals for isk, but exactly the same is done via those just self destructing BS. In essence it is (almost) nothing different from npc buy orders for minerals (or ships to be a bit more precise). So please clarify, Sokratez, is it the destroyed freighters that would make the economy collapse if they arent destroyed or effectively the npc ship buy orders? When we go further on that, why not just also make (t2) modules fully insurable, so we can have fleet fights where in the end no one lost anything. Because following your logic having effectively (almost) free ships is a requirement to prevent the economy from collapsing. Or wouldnt it just be way easier to put npc buy (and when busy anyway also sell) orders for everything since you say that is required.

Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:25:00 - [101] Originally by: Furb Killer Hunderds of million tritanium? That is a billion isk in trit, nah that is nothing, you almost put that in a single dread. For comparison, AAA alone probably already nukes for 30B trit in a week where nothing happens, when there are some cap fights, or worse super cap deaths, it increases rapidly. To the 'lowly' miner, mining trit in his barge a billion ISK is nothing. Can I have 300m trit then, please? Originally by: Furb Killer But for clarification, which part of suicide ganking do you think is a requirement for the eve economy to prevent it from collapsing? The freighters that get destroyed or the fully insured bs that are lost and provide a huge isk source (didnt realise we lacked them), and effectively being equal to npc buy orders of minerals. Because you know as well as i do that a suicide gank bs is practicly free, so yes it exchanges minerals for isk, but exactly the same is done via those just self destructing BS. In essence it is (almost) nothing different from npc buy orders for minerals (or ships to be a bit more precise). So, a destroyed freighter does not equal income for manufacturers and miners? Glad we got that sorted out. Seriously, you have no idea how the economy works and only look at things from your own, selfish perspective. Originally by: Furb Killer So please clarify, Sokratez, is it the destroyed freighters that would make the economy collapse if they arent destroyed or effectively the npc ship buy orders? When we go further on that, why not just also make (t2) modules fully insurable, so we can have fleet fights where in the end no one lost anything. Because following your logic having effectively (almost) free ships is a requirement to prevent the economy from collapsing. Or wouldnt it just be way easier to put npc buy (and when busy anyway also sell) orders for everything since you say that is required. It is your ideology that we buy a ship and an item once and never lose it. You want us to live in carebear land where PVP is non-existent and where you show off on the forums your trillions, with which you can do nothing. It is you who is advocating the collapse of this game, through destruction of its economy. The sooner you realise you will never have your carebear utopia the better it is for yourself. However, I'm sure Sok can articulate this much better than I can. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Amanda Wilkins Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:33:00 - [102] Originally by: Furb Killer So please clarify, Sokratez... Ankh, dear, Liranen is not Sok. They are very different persons. Both intelligent, but that's where the likeness stops, just about. Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:45:00 - [103] Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/04/2010 13:55:57 Quote: To the 'lowly' miner, mining trit in his barge a billion ISK is nothing. Can I have 300m trit then, please? I thought we were talking about the eve economy, or is there only one miner supplying all tritanium in eve? About a week ago i bought myself a new dread (after self destructing my old one, that is how insurance works in eve), are you saying if i wouldnt have bought that dread (about 1B in minerals) the eve economy would have collapsed? Quote: So, a destroyed freighter does not equal income for manufacturers and miners? Glad we got that sorted out. Seriously, you have no idea how the economy works and only look at things from your own, selfish perspective. Glad to see you didnt bother answering the simple question. Also funny you say i dont know how the economy works, while you are the one here who thinks 1B in trit would have be enough to crash the economy. Quote: It is your ideology that we buy a ship and an item once and never lose it. You want us to live in carebear land where PVP is non-existent and where you show off on the forums your trillions, with which you can do nothing. It is you who is advocating the collapse of this game, through destruction of its economy. The sooner you realise you will never have your carebear utopia the better it is for yourself. Glad to see you didnt even bother trying to do more than flaming around. I expected at least a member of a 0.0 alliance to realise there is more pvp in eve than those who need concord protection for their pvp. And that is even ignoring i never advocated the removal of suicide ganking. But dont let the facts stop you. Quote: Ankh, dear I wish i had boobies :( Edit: I am not going to continue contaminating this topic, since that isnt the point of this topic. I just wish you realise two things: First adding more consequences to suicide ganking is not the same as removing pvp from eve, and second we are talking about internet spaceships here, is it really too much to ask to have a csm campaign that is done nicer than zimbabwes elections?
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:35:00 - [104] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/04/2010 13:55:57 I thought we were talking about the eve economy, or is there only one miner supplying all tritanium in eve? And how much of this trit is provided by miners and how much by mission runners? Originally by: Furb Killer About a week ago i bought myself a new dread (after self destructing my old one, that is how insurance works in eve), are you saying if i wouldnt have bought that dread (about 1B in minerals) the eve economy would have collapsed? No but the EVE market would be destroyed if PVP became non-existent and I fear that is the ultimate goal of Ankh and her followers. While she may deny it, at the end of the day, that is her secret goal. Originally by: Furb Killer Glad to see you didnt bother answering the simple question. Also funny you say i dont know how the economy works, while you are the one here who thinks 1B in trit would have be enough to crash the economy. What is even more interesting is how you continuously keep mentioning the freighter, while ignoring all the trit that is lost in the attempt to blow it up, by the aggressors. And what about all the other ships lost in empire? You saying that an end to suicide ganking won't have an effect on the market? Originally by: Furb Killer Glad to see you didnt even bother trying to do more than flaming around. I expected at least a member of a 0.0 alliance to realise there is more pvp in eve than those who need concord protection for their pvp. And that is even ignoring i never advocated the removal of suicide ganking. But dont let the facts stop you. It seemed like you were and if you weren't I apoligise. Originally by: Furb Killer Edit: I am not going to continue contaminating this topic, since that isnt the point of this topic. I just wish you realise two things: First adding more consequences to suicide ganking is not the same as removing pvp from eve, and second we are talking about internet spaceships here, is it really too much to ask to have a csm campaign that is done nicer than zimbabwes elections? I do not see how we are contamunating this thread. We're having a discussion on the proposals of Ankh. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:07:00 - [105] Originally by: Super Whopper How nice of you to have editted your first posts, removing your proposal to have suicide gankers/pvpers banned for legitimate tactics. But post 28 still has you quoted and so have others, your stance towards PVP has been saved. I don't believe the posts have been edited meaningfully. She still praises the Ultima Online justice system in post #22, and if that hasn't been edited out, what else would have been? It's hard to find anything you could say to offend PvP lovers more than "I'm fond of stripping massive amounts of SP from players who engage in nonconsensual PvP". If she actually has edited meaningfully, please cross-reference Eve-O with Eve-Search and point out what changed. I don't like Ankh as a candidate, but please keep your complaints to the realm of the factual. You really have no need to make stuff up, there's more than enough real issues to complain about. And Liranan, I'll say this pretty bluntly. Hundreds of millions of trit is nothing. Look at the Jita trit market sometime - there's at least 20 billion units for sale right now.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:00:00 - [106] So whats your feeling on mission busting? How do you feel about current directional scanner mechanics? How do you feel about local as an intel tool? Also...per your bio you are a student of game design? Can you actually point to any eve-like mmo's you have actually designed please as they are missing from your resume?
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:20:00 - [107] Ah, the clown with downs runs for it again?
Pirc Balar Minmatar Freedom Research Front	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:48:00 - [108] I'll be quick and to the point. Having noticed a distinct change in the tenor of your posts since you first ran for CSM, I have a couple concerns / questions. 1. It is clear that many players (including myself), and current/former CSM have been disappointed by CCP. What specifically are you disappointed with? (for example, CSM, CCP, specific mechanics, general development process of the game.) 2. What do you plan to do personally as CSM, if elected, to address your own and othersÆ disappointments with the game? 3. Why the concern with æfree trips?Æ The trips seem more a reflection of CCP company culture than a distraction for CSM members.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:59:00 - [109] As game designer, I use exactly the same work methodologies as CCP does. Both CCP and my fellow CSM would benefit from my expertise in this field. I'm sorry...would you mind detailing your vast amount of experience in game design in order to verify your expertise?
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.04.26 20:29:00 - [110] As a general note on my part, you seem to be concerned with politics surrounding the CSM more than anything else. 'Free trips', I'd call that an incentive. Anyway, my question; Why would you implement additional game mechanics to fix something that clearly isn't broken? I can see how it's an easy way to get certain voters on your side, but really, has the game become unplayable for certain game archetypes (i.e. the carebear), or is it simply lack of risk management on their part? As an example, does a Hulk sitting next to an Orca really need modifications to enhance cargo space? What if they'd drop the civilian shield booster, and fit it for real? Does a mission runner need a 2 billion fit to do some simple L4's? There are simply numerous ways to negate the risk or prevent it altogether. You tell me you're unbiased, I'd say drop the election and start informing people like yourself.

Seleene Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.26 21:12:00 - [111] Originally by: RuleoftheBone As game designer, I use exactly the same work methodologies as CCP does. Both CCP and my fellow CSM would benefit from my expertise in this field. I'm sorry...would you mind detailing your vast amount of experience in game design in order to verify your expertise? I, too, would be interested in this. ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx
Thaylon Sen Tetra-Pac	Posted - 2010.04.26 21:19:00 - [112] You had my vote before, and you will have it again, but... No free trips to fanfest? That's just plain mean. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think it's important that the 'people' get the opportunity to meet their representatives in person! Good luck though, and keep standing up for the little people.
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.26 22:36:00 - [113] Originally by: Thaylon Sen Good luck though, and keep standing up for the little people. You got the part where Ankghgehgkehglkajsalkjgm's in CVA right? As in the (former) 0.0 alliance that isn't about the little people? Yes? No?
Thaylon Sen Tetra-Pac	Posted - 2010.04.26 22:50:00 - [114] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Thaylon Sen Good luck though, and keep standing up for the little people. You got the part where Ankghgehgkehglkajsalkjgm's in CVA right? As in the (former) 0.0 alliance that isn't about the little people? Yes? No? I believe Ankhesentapemkah is mature enough to leave in game politics in game, and represent me and my concerns as a player to CCP in a professional manner.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.26 23:22:00 - [115] Originally by: Thaylon Sen I believe Ankhesentapemkah is mature enough You clearly haven't seen some of the emails she's sent. Also, why do you think that other candidates aren't equally capable of doing the same?
Thaylon Sen Tetra-Pac	Posted - 2010.04.26 23:31:00 - [116] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Also, why do you think that other candidates aren't equally capable of doing the same? I don't think that, I'm sure there are others. I only have one vote, and currently I believe Ank. represents me the best.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 08:28:00 - [117] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 27/04/2010 08:29:40 Originally by: RuleoftheBone So whats your feeling on mission busting? How do you feel about current directional scanner mechanics? How do you feel about local as an intel tool? Also...per your bio you are a student of game design? Can you actually point to any eve-like mmo's you have actually designed please as they are missing from your resume? Good kill on that domi, I wasn't running a mission though, but helping some random person who was stuck with scram frigates on him in room 3. Eventually got him out using a rifter. Directional scanner works okay, used it a lot in FW, although the refresh limitation is annoying. Local feels unnatural, I like the no-local wormhole space much better. I currently don't have a hard stance on removing local from 0.0/lowsec/everywhere, but am well aware that there are many players that want to see this happen, although there are also players that oppose this view. There are also some middle-ground mechanics that are worth exploring here. The stuff at my campaign website is from CSM1 and thus quite old. Need to update it, yes. Will put an updated CV up soon. I'm currently working at Virtual Fairground as Game Designer (and probably senior designer next month or so). We have several MMOs in production. One is currently in early beta and aimed at children, Club Galactik (based on the Galactik Football series), which we used to develop our engine and backend. Right now it isn't much, and full of bugs, but the upcoming update will finally implement the core gameplay, economy, item system, and all the fancy kiddy carebear stuff such as shopping, quests, avatar customization and room furnishing. We're currently in crunch-time and it should all be released soon(TM). We have another, mature, MMO in development which will use the same engine. This MMO will be a combination between RPG and strategy and feature open-world exploration, player-driven economy, territorial conquest and so on. Can't say a whole lot about it, unfortunately. As game designer I am specialized in virtual economies and have designed the entire economy of Club Galactik and the other MMOs. I build prototypes which simulate the market dynamics, so we can try out different game mechanics before we start development. With two collegues I also do game balancing. Along with another senior designer, I am usually the person to write up the initial outline documents, thus creating the foundation for a new project and defining the scope. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 09:24:00 - [118] Originally by: Pirc Balar I'll be quick and to the point. Having noticed a distinct change in the tenor of your posts since you first ran for CSM, I have a couple concerns / questions. 1. It is clear that many players (including myself), and current/former CSM have been disappointed by CCP. What specifically are you disappointed with? (for example, CSM, CCP, specific mechanics, general development process of the game.) Excellent question! Thanks! 1) CCP promising all kinds of shiny stuff at fanfest, to the CSM, and in devblogs, and then rushing out an unfinished expansion which lacks these features but introduces a whole lot of bugs. Examples are FW, Epic Mission Arcs, Storefronts, Treaties, and a whole lot of 0.0 mechanics which were promised to the CSM over a year ago, but were completely scrapped for Dominion. We got a whole lot of insider information, and every one of us agreed it was awesome. Then the expansion came and excitement turned into utter disappointment. 2) The lack of insight into what the heck CCP is doing, and the lack of communication between CCP and the CSM, and CCP and the players. 3) CCP always saying "Yeah, we'll add this to the backlog" when confronted with CSM issues, and then doing something else entirely, leaving the issues in limbo for years and eventually quitely throwing everything in the paperbin. (Alliances in Factional Warfare, issue 1,2,3,4, CCP promising to add it in Empyrean Age 1.3, Quantum Rise, Q1 2009, immediately after Apocrypha.... and then making clear that nothing is going to be done with FW whatsoever due to lack of players participating) If you're not doing anything with our issues, then what's the point of raising issues on behalf of the players? Due to this, many players get the impression that the CSM is just something to keep them quiet and give the illusion that CCP cares about the players, when they do not. 4) Not asking the CSM for feedback. The whole debacle with the FW missions being ISK printing machines could have been prevented if only they asked someone from the CSM first. Plus we didn't ask for FW missions to be fixed first, there are serious exploits plaguing it for over a year now which still go unfixed despite me reproducing the crap right in front of their noses in their office! There are several other examples of this happening with 0.0 mechanics as well, same with the Gallente storyline missions. If only they had asked the CSM then we could've pointed them in the right direction. Originally by: Pirc Balar 2. What do you plan to do personally as CSM, if elected, to address your own and othersÆ disappointments with the game? CCP fortunately admitted its limited use of the CSM, and that's why a few of the problems are solved by the CSM becoming stakeholders from CSM5 onwards. In CSM2, I got the Q&A sessions through, but they fell into disuse. I intend to revigorate those and create a better framework for the players to submit questions. I also want to take a good look at the CSM section on the wiki. It can be a lot more structured so players can track the submitted issues, instantly look up CCPs response and actions. This way, don't disappear off the face of the earth after the CSM has taken them up. And the CSM can relay further feedback from the players to CCP immediately. There needs to be a lot more communication, both ways. The most important thing is getting CCP to move to a different business model, and stop rushing out all these incomplete expansions. This requires understanding why CCP does what it does. The average player plays for only 6 months, thus CCP is releasing these expansions to keep players hooked and paying until the next 'awesome' expansion. I think differently. Another way to increase the subscribers is convincing new players to sign up, and retain old players longer. For this reason, I focus on improving the UI, as it is a great barrier to entry, and a major frustration for veterans. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 09:24:00 - [119] Originally by: Pirc Balar 3. Why the concern with æfree trips?Æ The trips seem more a reflection of CCP company culture than a distraction for CSM members. 14.30 in. If we don't get rid of the free trips, at least ban alcohol and drugs so we don't have CSM showing up drunk and stoned. There is a clause in the initial CSM-CCP meeting trip that CCP expects CSM to remain sober, but some CSM couldn't even manage that. I think that the CSM that do this **** display a great disrespect to the players they're supposed to be representing. (I'm not pointing at Darius Johnson here, he needs it for his flights and contributed well during the meetings) Contrary to popular belief, I do actually drink, and I'm guilty of drinking too much at Cultura at some point during fanfest 2008 myself (thanks for all the free Black Russians). I caught and dealt with that in time, and was on time and sober the next day. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.27 12:58:00 - [120] Edited by: Liranan on 27/04/2010 12:59:05 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm currently working at Virtual Fairground as Game Designer (and probably senior designer next month or so). We have several MMOs in production. One is currently in early beta and aimed at children, Club Galactik (based on the Galactik Football series), which we used to develop our engine and backend. Right now it isn't much, and full of bugs, but the upcoming update will finally implement the core gameplay, economy, item system, and all the fancy kiddy carebear stuff such as shopping, quests, avatar customization and room furnishing. We're currently in crunch-time and it should all be released soon(TM). We have another, mature, MMO in development which will use the same engine. This MMO will be a combination between RPG and strategy and feature open-world exploration, player-driven economy, territorial conquest and so on. Can't say a whole lot about it, unfortunately. So, by your own admission and by being in CVA, you admit to knowing very little about PVP and want people to vote you in based on your experience with the design of a childrens MMO. A designer of Hello Kitty doesn't automatically have knowledge of all games and all concepts. We only need to look at animations made by Disney, which were total disasters because even the most evil character had big, brown puppy eyes and was cute. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 4) Not asking the CSM for feedback. The whole debacle with the FW missions being ISK printing machines could have been prevented if only they asked someone from the CSM first. Plus we didn't ask for FW missions to be fixed first, there are serious exploits plaguing it for over a year now which still go unfixed despite me reproducing the crap right in front of their noses in their office! There are several other examples of this happening with 0.0 mechanics as well, same with the Gallente storyline missions. If only they had asked the CSM then we could've pointed them in the right direction. Ones you are intimately familiar with, correct? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If we don't get rid of the free trips, at least ban alcohol and drugs so we don't have CSM showing up drunk and stoned. There is a clause in the initial CSM-CCP meeting trip that CCP expects CSM to remain sober, but some CSM couldn't even manage that. I think that the CSM that do this ** display a great disrespect to the players they're supposed to be representing. (I'm not pointing at Darius Johnson here, he needs it for his flights and contributed well during the meetings) How about expulsion from the CSM, banning of their character(s) and their immediate eviction from CCP headquarters? You want people to pay for their own trip because you know most won't be able to and you can be elitist about it, as you will be able to afford yours and very few people will care to pay for trips like this. This, by proxy, will make you one of the very few people who will run for CSM, thus, ensuring your permanent seat. Very superficial from a 'game designer'. Farjung is my God** You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.

Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 13:21:00 - [121] Trolls that twist my words and quote out of context will not be replied to. All your stuff has already been answered, some of which even in the post you're quoting parts of. I'm not going to repeat myself six times because you're too lazy to read. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Seleene Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.27 14:28:00 - [122] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If we don't get rid of the free trips, at least ban alcohol and drugs so we don't have CSM showing up drunk and stoned. There is a clause in the initial CSM-CCP meeting trip that CCP expects CSM to remain sober, but some CSM couldn't even manage that. Saying that CCP expects people to always show up to every meeting sober seems a bit unrealistic tbh. ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2010.04.27 14:36:00 - [123] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh, just because some 0.0 elitist thinks so? I think the majority of the EVE players will think, and vote, otherwise. this has more to do with them thinking if they vote for you, you'll show ****...and less to do with your actual platform.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.27 14:40:00 - [124] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Pirc Balar 3. Why the concern with æfree trips?Æ The trips seem more a reflection of CCP company culture than a distraction for CSM members. 14.30 in. If we don't get rid of the free trips, at least ban alcohol and drugs so we don't have CSM showing up drunk and stoned. There is a clause in the initial CSM-CCP meeting trip that CCP expects CSM to remain sober, but some CSM couldn't even manage that. I think that the CSM that do this ** display a great disrespect to the players they're supposed to be representing. (I'm not pointing at Darius Johnson here, he needs it for his flights and contributed well during the meetings) Contrary to popular belief, I do actually drink, and I'm guilty of drinking too much at Cultura at some point during fanfest 2008 myself (thanks for all the free Black Russians). I caught and dealt with that in time, and was on time and sober the next day. So free business trips are frowned on but free alcohol (which you are objecting to the imbibement of by CSM members) is somehow acceptable? Could you please clarify your stance on how you justify taking certain freebies and not others. At the moment this just sounds like a double standard. ~_~** (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 14:48:00 - [125] Trolls which twist my words and quote out of context will still not be replied to. Originally by: Seleene Saying that CCP expects people to always show up to every meeting sober seems a bit unrealistic tbh. CCP: "In order to fully focus on the importance of the Summit, alcohol will not be provided during the event. Likewise, we request that Councilors approach this event with all seriousness, punctuality and sobriety." They tried As usual, there was no enforcement of it. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.27 15:19:00 - [126] Edited by: Liranan on 27/04/2010 15:28:02 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Trolls which twist my words and quote out of context will still not be replied to. This is getting very confusing. Are you calling everything a troll in the hope it gets cleared by the GM's, so you can pretend these questions were never asked? Please, answer the question as to why giving one thing for free is acceptable and something else isn't? You make use of both the free alcohol as well as the free plane ticket and neither make a dent in CCP's budget. Can we safely assume that you would gladly pay for your own alcohol? Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
xena zena Comparative Advantage	Posted - 2010.04.27 15:22:00 - [127] Ankhesentapemkah, please explain how you'd protect the two key design principles of Eve, meaningful loss and no assured safety, in light of some of your previous posts that seem to indicate you wish to degrade these two principles. Thank you.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 15:58:00 - [128] Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 27/04/2010 15:28:02 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Trolls which twist my words and quote out of context will still not be replied to. This is getting very confusing. Are you calling everything a troll in the hope it gets cleared by the GM's, so you can pretend these questions were never asked? Please, answer the question as to why giving one thing for free is acceptable and something else isn't? You make use of both the free alcohol as well as the free plane ticket and neither make a dent in CCP's budget. Can we safely assume that you would gladly pay for your own alcohol? The alcohol was paid for by a group of EVE players who decided that I wasn't having enough leisure, and took me to a bar. Not by CCP. Beer tickets given by CCP at fanfest are always given away to random players or traded for food tickets. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Lycanthis StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.04.27 16:15:00 - [129] Originally by: xena zena Ankhesentapemkah, please explain how you'd protect the two key design principles of Eve, meaningful loss and no assured safety, in light of some of your previous posts that seem to indicate you wish to degrade these two principles. Thank you. Xena I like the questions you ask, they get the conversation stirring so I am going to jump in here and answer this one also.(note also, not instead of, I'd like to see Ankh and the other CSM Runners responses) First to protect the principles that there is "no assured safety" I would leave the suicide mechanic exactly how it is. Second to "meaningful loss" that one will be harder to answer until we see the final numbers from the Tyran insurance changes. I can say that if Concord is on your kill mail you shouldn't recieve any insurance. And I am not the biggest fan of T2 ship insurance, as it negates a bit of the meaning out of losing that HAC or recon, but I am open enough that I am willing to see how that change effects the game( not that there is much choice at this time)
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.27 16:19:00 - [130] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh, just because some 0.0 elitist thinks so? I think the majority of the EVE players will think, and vote, otherwise. Wow...way to alienate an entire voting block in a single foul swoop. Not to mention the fact that you've ***ed off the PVP populace (at least those that read the forums) Fire your campaign manager, cuz hes an iiiiiidiot. fake edit* Nice navy domi loss during a wardec Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again

Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 16:36:00 - [131] Originally by: Lykouleon Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh, just because some 0.0 elitist thinks so? I think the majority of the EVE players will think, and vote, otherwise. Wow...way to alienate an entire voting block in a single foul swoop. Not to mention the fact that you've ***ed off the PVP populace (at least those that read the forums) Fire your campaign manager, cuz hes an iiiiiidiot. fake edit* Nice navy domi loss during a wardec Which voting block are you talking about exactly? And why would they be **ed off again? Because she calls someone a 0.0 elitist? You do realise there isnt exactly a shortage of 0.0 players who think they are better because they are in 0.0? And the same is also true for low sec and high sec players btw. Btw I am active in 0.0, i pvp (before some smartass searches kb stats, main shiptype is logistics), i read the forums and i havent actually seen any reason why i would be **ed off? Because someone likes the system in another game but admits it wouldnt work in eve? Or because she lost a navy domi? Do you really want to see how my care-o-meter reacts to someone losing navy domi?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.27 16:48:00 - [132] Originally by: xena zena Ankhesentapemkah, please explain how you'd protect the two key design principles of Eve, meaningful loss and no assured safety There should never be a PVP switch, and thus highsec will never be totally safe. I hate PVP switches. My ultima online freeshard had a PVP ruleset which allowed playerkilling everywhere, and it resulted in interesting dynamics. EVE is a sandbox, and completely removing non-consensual PVP will just make it stale and boring. To quote Raph Koster: "There are a substantial amount of people out there who enjoy player vs player conflict of all sorts, who get crowded out of a game when it is completely safe, and go play elsewhere. And these people aren't necessarily *****s. But it is easy for them to become *****s if they feel put upon enough or if they think they can get away with it." Contrary to popular belief, I do not wish to focus on adding more limits to prevent crime from happening. I wish to add more options for players to police themselves. Players should be able to provide their own security, hence the call for things such as tradable killrights and mechanics for bountyhunting and vigilante playstyles. Don't fight crime with game mechanics, embrace crime and add game mechanics to let the players do the fighting. Regarding meaningful loss, I dislike the current insurance mechanic. Coupling payout to mineral values is the first step in the right direction, but it remains an artificial mechanic that is an ISK faucet and unbalances the economy. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.28 04:11:00 - [133] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The alcohol was paid for by a group of EVE players who decided that I wasn't having enough leisure, and took me to a bar. Not by CCP. Beer tickets given by CCP at fanfest are always given away to random players or traded for food tickets. I apologise for this misunderstanding. However, what about someone who pays for their own trip and still attends meetings under the influence of a drug (alcohol or otherwise)? Don't you think banning, expulsion and, in effect, deportation from Iceland or CCP hq a more effective measure? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah There should never be a PVP switch, and thus highsec will never be totally safe. I hate PVP switches. My ultima online freeshard had a PVP ruleset which allowed playerkilling everywhere, and it resulted in interesting dynamics. EVE is a sandbox, and completely removing non-consensual PVP will just make it stale and boring. To quote Raph Koster: "There are a substantial amount of people out there who enjoy player vs player conflict of all sorts, who get crowded out of a game when it is completely safe, and go play elsewhere. And these people aren't necessarily *****s. But it is easy for them to become ***s if they feel put upon enough or if they think they can get away with it." Contrary to popular belief, I do not wish to focus on adding more limits to prevent crime from happening. I wish to add more options for players to police themselves. Players should be able to provide their own security, hence the call for things such as tradable killrights and mechanics for bountyhunting and vigilante playstyles. Don't fight crime with game mechanics, embrace crime and add game mechanics to let the players do the fighting. Regarding meaningful loss, I dislike the current insurance mechanic. Coupling payout to mineral values is the first step in the right direction, but it remains an artificial mechanic that is an ISK faucet and unbalances the economy. Edit: One more Raph Koster quote "Someday we WILL be able to hand over the reins of policing to players. It will be seen as just a meta-game for those who are interested in it (and what's more, I bet the cops will be the same people we're currently turning into grief players with our limited mechanics). But right now, neither players nor developers are ready." Glad you see the error of your ways and that you are backpedalling on your end to PVP stance. I do agree that it'd be interesting if kill rights could be transferred, as it might (and this is really only a possibility in the remotest of senses) lead to a new occupation: bounty hunting. The agrieved party pays a sum for another party to deliver the corpse of their aggressor. It'd be an interesting development and might lead to lots of griefing. Now what I'd like clarification on is whether you're advocating the removal of Concord and the establishment of CVA-like alliances that oversee the security of high-sec. How would this deter suicide gankers? Their target is still dead by the time they get there, if they're online at all. Farjung is my God** You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.28 05:48:00 - [134] I'll answer the rest at a later time when I have the opportunity. Originally by: Liranan Glad you see the error of your ways and that you are backpedalling on your end to PVP stance. I do agree that it'd be interesting if kill rights could be transferred, as it might (and this is really only a possibility in the remotest of senses) lead to a new occupation: bounty hunting. The agrieved party pays a sum for another party to deliver the corpse of their aggressor. It'd be an interesting development and might lead to lots of griefing It's not backpedalling, it's something I've been saying right from the start, ever since CSM 1. Was something I clearly mentioned in my first campaign movie. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.04.28 11:14:00 - [135] Tradable kill rights on criminals I see great potential in this
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.04.28 12:01:00 - [136] Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 28/04/2010 12:03:15 I completely disagree that there should be any way to take away SP. Skills are directly related to the subscription, as you buy game time, and train skills using gametime, and tehrefore are sacred and cannot be touched. (ofcource you can pause your skill training if you are a tard) Suiside gankers- i don't care too much about that. You can take away there insurance, but even there's sp is sacred. I would like to know your opinion on: Jump clones and their cost is there any point of having them? Improving UI Active tanking ships with cap hungry mwd and guns (we know it does not work very well, not that big of an issue though) POS- they are horrible. Null-sec upgrades- further improvement needed? (tip- currently the sanctums can be soloed in a cruiser class ship) Allowing mwd for BS clas ships in missions (so you can use blasters if you really want to) And it's untrue that suiside gankers can do what they want unpunished- I personally have killed suiside gankers and can-flippers. You have corpmates for a reason as well. Power in numbers. Probably the only thing i would like, is for them not to be in NPC corps, so you can always dec them if you feel like it. I must, however, state that i am impressed by your commitment, and i would prefer you to be elected over many other candidates, even though i disagree with your position.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2010.04.28 18:21:00 - [137] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As usual, there was no enforcement of it. for you to expect CCP to enforce a rule for volunteers is laughable.
Pirc Balar Minmatar Freedom Research Front	Posted - 2010.04.28 20:38:00 - [138] Thank you for the detailed responses; much more than what I was expecting or hoping for. I totally understand your perspective on the conduct of previous CSM. However, considering the open 'player regulated' nature of Eve do you think players could use such conduct as political leverage? It seems to me that you are approaching this from a professional standpoint, which in many ways is to be admired. However, as an elected position it seems to me CSM should be treated as politicians. In other words, getting drunk and sleeping in are legal, but such actions will not help you get reelected.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.04.28 20:56:00 - [139] So you're not only ignorant, you're also spineless. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. As pointed out before by others this illustrates your mindset and your inability to accept eve for what it is. What is even worse is that once people critize you for it your response is not to stand your ground but to spin.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.04.28 21:23:00 - [140] Jesus Christ, could all the trolls plz stop putting things out of context and twisting words? It's getting a bit sad... Plz stick to the facts. For instance, what do the trolls think of transferable kill rights? This should be interesting to hear. I think it's way more interesting than who pays for beer for instance

Vittorian	Posted - 2010.04.28 21:42:00 - [141] Let's just not call everybody who points out to Ankhesentapemkah that she's an ignorant spineless player a troll. And let's not call everybody who agrees with her an inexperienced noob carebear.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.04.28 21:51:00 - [142] Originally by: Vittorian Let's just not call everybody who points out to Ankhesentapemkah that she's an ignorant spineless player a troll. And let's not call everybody who agrees with her an inexperienced noob carebear. The very fact that she is still running for CSM after all the crap she has been getting from the start of her CSM career doesn't make her seem that spineless to me. All the insults and trolling looks to me like proof those ppl can't handle the fact that there are other viewpoints than theirs in a civilized manner.
Vittorian	Posted - 2010.04.28 21:55:00 - [143] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller The very fact that she is still running for CSM after all the crap she has been getting from the start of her CSM career doesn't make her seem that spineless to me. That's because you're an idiot
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.04.28 21:58:00 - [144] Originally by: Vittorian Originally by: Dariah Stardweller The very fact that she is still running for CSM after all the crap she has been getting from the start of her CSM career doesn't make her seem that spineless to me. That's because you're an idiot Oh boy, you were THAT eager to prove my point I see.
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.28 23:48:00 - [145] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller The very fact that she is still running for CSM after all the crap she has been getting from the start of her CSM career doesn't make her seem that spineless to me. All the insults and trolling looks to me like proof those ppl can't handle the fact that there are other viewpoints than theirs in a civilized manner. - She's been on the CSM board in the past only because some elected members couldn't attend and she was the last resort. - Her first post contained references to Ultima Online and how she wants suicide ganking and unconsentual PVP banned in empire. - She wants the ban enforced through players being banned and characters deleted. - She wants CSM members to pay for their own trips because most don't have the money and she'll be one of the few who will have a permanent seat on the CSM. - She is an expoloiter who was proven to know less than nothing about FW. - She has proven to be a hypocrite, by reporting players who exploited FW bugs better than her. - She knows nothing about PVP and wants carebear heaven (aka Hello Kitty). - She doesn't post in her own name but uses multiple accounts and others to answer posts in the hope it doesn't make her look bad. EVE is a PVP game, remember that. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.29 01:41:00 - [146] I'm hardly an Ankh fanboy, but there are some mistakes in your post. Originally by: Liranan - She's been on the CSM board in the past only because some elected members couldn't attend and she was the last resort. False. She finished 3rd overall in the CSM1 vote and she was #2 overall in CSM2 voting. She made it on the CSM in her own right both times, with very healthy margins. Originally by: Liranan - Her first post contained references to Ultima Online and how she wants suicide ganking and unconsentual PVP banned in empire. - She wants the ban enforced through players being banned and characters deleted. She said some pretty amazingly dumb things, but I'm pretty sure even UO didn't delete characters for PvP. She's never advocated banning PvP that I've seen, merely making the penalties for doing so significantly harsher. Originally by: Liranan - She wants CSM members to pay for their own trips because most don't have the money and she'll be one of the few who will have a permanent seat on the CSM. Ank's a recent grad in her mid 20s. At the time she sat on the CSM previously, she was still a student. Most of the other CSMs have been professionals in significantly older age brackets. I don't know the financial situations of CSM members, but if I had to guess, I'd say that she's likely to be one of the poorest of the lot. Originally by: Liranan - She is an expoloiter who was proven to know less than nothing about FW. - She has proven to be a hypocrite, by reporting players who exploited FW bugs better than her. She denies using the cloak exploit, and I've never seen any solid proof. Flinging mud is all well and good, but this one doesn't quite ring true to me. Originally by: Liranan - She knows nothing about PVP and wants carebear heaven (aka Hello Kitty). Not Hello Kitty, just nerfed from where it is now. Originally by: Liranan - She doesn't post in her own name but uses multiple accounts and others to answer posts in the hope it doesn't make her look bad. And stupider yet, she's even admitted to it. She does have her fanboys, I doubt she owns 2000 accounts to vote herself in, so a lot of her support in these threads will be genuine. But yeah, she's been known to seed it a bit at times(and of course, it's impossible for us to judge just how much). I think her vision for the game is terribly skewed, and I think she'd be a sub-par CSM member. I think she gets in from the support of a lot of people who don't really "get" Eve, and that her lines of argument tend towards the laughable far more often than I'd ever be happy with(yeah, you're not affiliated with anyone, sure). But she's not the devil, even if we do treat her like it once in a while. As with most people who disagree with you in political stuff, they're not evil, they're just wrong. She's wrong, and she's a bad candidate. But you'd do well to avoid treating her like she's evil.
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.29 04:08:00 - [147] Edited by: Liranan on 29/04/2010 04:08:43 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Liranan - Her first post contained references to Ultima Online and how she wants suicide ganking and unconsentual PVP banned in empire. - She wants the ban enforced through players being banned and characters deleted. She said some pretty amazingly dumb things, but I'm pretty sure even UO didn't delete characters for PvP. She's never advocated banning PvP that I've seen, merely making the penalties for doing so significantly harsher. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. You certainly have forgotten all the things she's said. Anti-pvp = anti-EVE Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.29 05:12:00 - [148] Originally by: Liranan Anti-pvp = anti-EVE Agree, at least in the extreme case. Eve is a PvP game, and someone who ignores that is missing the point and quite frankly playing the wrong game. Originally by: Liranan You certainly have forgotten all the things she's said. Disagree. What she said was that consequences should be dramatically more harsh than they are now. I personally consider that crazy talk, but it's not in the realm of banning PvP or even banning empire PvP.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.29 08:50:00 - [149] Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/04/2010 08:51:45 Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/04/2010 08:50:31 Quote: - She's been on the CSM board in the past only because some elected members couldn't attend and she was the last resort. That is pretty much where i stopped reading. Come on cant you put a bit more effort in your trolling? Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 29/04/2010 04:08:43 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Liranan - Her first post contained references to Ultima Online and how she wants suicide ganking and unconsentual PVP banned in empire. - She wants the ban enforced through players being banned and characters deleted. She said some pretty amazingly dumb things, but I'm pretty sure even UO didn't delete characters for PvP. She's never advocated banning PvP that I've seen, merely making the penalties for doing so significantly harsher. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah CCP would look into more permanent consequences for criminals, so far this hasn't happened. Probably because everyone with a few destroyer alts can do it, and punishing too harshly will only result in character recycling. I must admit I am very fond of Ultima Online's justice system, where murderers could lose 20% of their stats and skills, and criminals tossed in jail for several hours or days. There are even games, where PK characters are deleted if they are caught within a certain time after the crime. Now that is consequence. If you destroyed someone's hulk, setting him back 15 hours, then you shouldn't get off the hook by whacking rats for an hour. Now as I said I don't see it practical to implement an UO-style system into EVE, but things should be brought more into balance, and there should be more long-term consequence to crime. You certainly have forgotten all the things she's said. Anti-pvp = anti-EVE So where does she say she is anti pvp? And why should i possibly care if someone likes another game? If a candidate likes counter strike does it mean that candidate also wants to remove the meaningfull penalty dying has in eve? (Something ankh wants to reinstate for suicide gankers btw, meaningfull penalty, not remove it, just add some consequences instead of keeping it a walk in the park). If a candidate likes roller coaster tycoon does it mean they want to make eve a single player game? Edit: And sad to see a 0.0 player still sees suicide ganking as all pvp going on in eve :/
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:14:00 - [150] I will say this about Eva. She's driven, very dedicated and hard working, but so is the lumberjack who tries to cut an oak with a teaspoon for a year without getting anywhere... You don't want to hire either. She's also incapable of having a constructive conversation with other members of the CSM, as such she's frequently ignored or ridiculed, as can be seen by the posts on this thread and others. At the end of the day the CSM is a group effort, where people have to talk together and agree on a common point of view and sadly, it doesn't matter if she gets elected, because her general contribution other than when it pertains to her pet peeve is basically zero. It is my opinion that for a CSM member to be productive, he/she should have good knowledge of all aspects of the game, otherwise they are just dead weight for anything. I think you lack that knowledge, but to be a bit more productive, here are a few questions, should you decide to answer truthfully, that may help people decide how experienced you are. The following questions apply to you PERSONALLY, not to any friend/corpmate you may know, have heard of or have seen. - Have you flown and regularly used (if so, in what situation and for how long) any of the following ship classes: light interdictor, recon, heavy assault cruiser, heavy interdictor, carrier, dreadnought, titan. Please provide killmails where appropriate. - How well do you know PvP in general? Lowsec PvP? 0.0 PvP? Capital fights? Large engagements (100+ people on both sides). Please provide killboard detail for the ones where you do have experience. - How good is your grasp on POS mechanics? Have you personally handled one or more (from set up to operation to dismantling)? If so, to what purpose and for how long? - How would you rate your knowledge of booster manufacture? T2 manufacture? T3 Manufacture? Capital ship manufacture? For those where you have personal experience, how many of what did you personally produce. Over what time span? - Have you personally moon-mined, if so what reactions and where? What volume? - Have you ever done T2 Invention? How much and of what? - Have you flown a freighter? A Jump Freighter? To what purpose? Thank you. Vote for Meissa Anunthiel for CSM 5! Balanced candite, well versed in all aspects of Eve. http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa

Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:21:00 - [151] Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 29/04/2010 17:23:34 Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 29/04/2010 17:21:18 Quote: It is my opinion that for a CSM member to be productive, he/she should have good knowledge of all aspects of the game I can't say if they must have good knowledge of all game aspects, that's your view, but i can tell you nobody understood **** about tracking. Therefore if your opinion is correct the previous CSM was worthless. As you are more likely to be wrong, then the entire eve player-base is to be wrong in there choice of candidates, i suggest you stop posting. Also, I can tell you right now that i am not voting for you, and i will strongly disadvise anyone else to do so, because a candidate must respect his competitors, and not go below the mark of an average forum user and start trolling.
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:32:00 - [152] Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Quote: It is my opinion that for a CSM member to be productive, he/she should have good knowledge of all aspects of the game I can't say if they must have good knowledge of all game aspects, that's your view, but i can tell you nobody understood ** about tracking. Therefore if your opinion is correct the previous CSM was worthless. As you are more likely to be wrong, then the entire eve player-base is to be wrong in there choice of candidates, i suggest you stop posting. Your point of view is demonstrably false. Numerous people understand tracking, it's not rocket science, it's basic trigonometry. Also, you seem very prone to logical fallacies: Eve if I were proven to be wrong about one thing does not in any way mean I am wrong about anything else and certainly not everything. Even if that were the case, you cannot say that because I'm wrong in my reasoning, my conclusion is wrong. Originally by:** Maxsim Goratiev Also, I can tell you right now that i am not voting for you, and i will strongly disadvise anyone else to do so, because a candidate must respect his competitors, and not go below the mark of an average forum user and start trolling. And respecting her is exactly what I'm doing by giving her a chance to expose a knowledge I say she lacks, and therefore proving me at least partially wrong/misinformed about some/all of her capabilities (or lack thereof). Also, you might want to talk about "going below the mark" to your own candidate... Seeing the straw in other's eyes and not seeing the beam in one's own and all... Vote for Meissa Anunthiel for CSM 5! Balanced candite, well versed in all aspects of Eve. http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:36:00 - [153] Quote: Your point of view is demonstrably false. Numerous people understand tracking, it's not rocket science, it's basic trigonometry. The logs of the CSM meeting demonstrate otherwise. Nobody grasped it. If you think otherwise, go ahead and prove me wrong. Quote: Also, you might want to talk about "going below the mark" to your own candidate... Seeing the straw in other's eyes and not seeing the beam in one's own and all... This is not my candidate, as her vision of the game does not match mine. I just don't like unfair criticism.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.29 23:33:00 - [154] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - Have you flown and regularly used (if so, in what situation and for how long) any of the following ship classes: light interdictor, recon, heavy assault cruiser, heavy interdictor, carrier, dreadnought, titan. Please provide killmails where appropriate. I got an Ishtar and a Chimera. Lost the Ishtar in a 0.0 gatecamp some time ago. Still got another one for wormholes. I consider shooting players immoral and thus I have no kills. Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - How well do you know PvP in general? Lowsec PvP? 0.0 PvP? Capital fights? Large engagements (100+ people on both sides). Please provide killboard detail for the ones where you do have experience. I'm a filthy rat and don't feel restricted in my carebearing by lowsec or 0.0 boundries and run and hide whenever people come for me. When BoB was still in Delve, I flew a Vexor in and ran some Blood Raider missions and kill rats right under their nose, as there were NPC stations in their space. Recently, I enjoyed running Sanctuary missions in 0.0. Still want to run some Intaki Syndicate missions as well. Hung out in lowsec for almost a year for Factional Warfare, got max rank with Amarr and Gallente. I don't mind fitting cloaks and a rack full of warp core stabs, as denying others PVP is my kind of PVP. I feel warm and fuzzy when one of those leet PVPers whines in local in frustration, or tries to camp my mission and wastes his time while I'm cloaked and left for a shower, dinner, or work. After an hour or two, the screaming starts. Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - How good is your grasp on POS mechanics? Have you personally handled one or more (from set up to operation to dismantling)? If so, to what purpose and for how long? I had four POSes in total, one on an alt account for research, and 3 corp ones for moon minerals and reactions, for which I had the full roles. Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - How would you rate your knowledge of booster manufacture? T2 manufacture? T3 Manufacture? Capital ship manufacture? For those where you have personal experience, how many of what did you personally produce. Over what time span? Occasional T2 blueprint research and manufacturing for about half a year. Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - Have you personally moon-mined, if so what reactions and where? What volume? Lowsec moonmining, also had a few 0.0 POSes doing moonmining but I wasn't directly responsible for those. Produced Cadmium and Hafnium and some other stuff. Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - Have you ever done T2 Invention? How much and of what? Yeah for various T2 modules as experiment. Didn't consider it all that interesting. Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel - Have you flown a freighter? A Jump Freighter? To what purpose? Can fly freighters and jump freighters, but they were never worth the investment to me, can carry what I want to carry in a normal industrial. I find it odd that you speak of teamwork and constructive conversation, when I don't see any CSM from CSM1 and CSM2 coming here to flame and troll. You on the other hand, are being nonconstructive at best, and slandering at worst in your post. As for having experience of ALL aspects of the game have you: 1) Participated in Factional Warfare, and if so, what factions did you play for and what rank did you get? Have you run FW missions? 2) Played year or more as soloplayer, all by yourself? 3) Run missions in 0.0? What standing did you get? 4) Participated in roleplaying activities? 5) Run COSMOS missions and Epic Mission Arcs? Which ones? 6) Collect (rare) items that served no meaningful purpose? 7) Participated in space-racing tournaments? --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.29 23:56:00 - [155] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I consider shooting players immoral and thus I have no kills. Here is the crux of everyone's argument, though: How, and more importantly, why, do you feel you are qualified to pass judgement on a game mechanic that is an intrinsic part of the game for a high percentage of the player base if you refuse to partake? For example: I find missions horribly dull and boring, and refuse to run them. As such, I do not feel that I am qualified to pass judgement on, let alone influence, their development. Why do you feel qualified to influence development of a feature you do not partake in?
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.04.30 00:25:00 - [156] So, basically, you have zero knowledge of PvP, haven't used several common classes of ships, have seen someone else moon mine but no reactions yourself. You've been to 0.0 and lowsec, but only to mission just like in highsec, never experiencing the difference between the regions. How do you expect then to provide meaningful insight in those areas? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As for having experience of ALL aspects of the game have you: 1) Participated in Factional Warfare, and if so, what factions did you play for and what rank did you get? Have you run FW missions? I have indeed when it was introduced. Minmatar, don't remember what rank (2nd or 3rd one, not high). I however regularly kill FW people ( recent encounter with Galente Militia [http://rooksandkings.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9950], they put up quite a nice fight) Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 2) Played year or more as soloplayer, all by yourself? Depends what you mean "all by yourself". If you mean "without interracting with other players in any way", then I don't see the point, this is a MMO. However as a member of a 4 player corporation, I frequently played alone, yeah. To an extent where I had to solo 10/10 DED plexes. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 3) Run missions in 0.0? What standing did you get? Sure, Thukker Mix and Thukker Tribe, 9.7+. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 4) Participated in roleplaying activities? Sure, my first corporation was a roleplaying one. And my current one started like that as well. I didn't like it much, but I've tried it, and still do it when the people I talk to prefer it... Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 5) Run COSMOS missions and Epic Mission Arcs? Which ones? COSMOS Minmatar (done all of it with 6 characters) and a bit of the gallente one as well as a bit of the caldari one. As far as epic arcs go, I've done the low-level one when it came out, finished the minmatar one with one character and am midway through the gallente one with another. It's getting harder to continue them until I fix my sec status at the moment. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 6) Collect (rare) items that served no meaningful purpose? A few, I have a container filled with old modules that don't drop anymore, just for the sake of it. Can't name them however as they're in a can in highsec (and I'm currently in a wormhole with that character :p). I collect faction ships just to stare at them. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 7) Participated in space-racing tournaments? I can't say I have. I participated in the Alliance tournament, but not space races, unless you count chasing russians through 0.0 as they try to escape a "space race" ;-) See, this is what I mean by "I have experience in all areas of the game", I actually do... Cheers Vote for Meissa Anunthiel for CSM 5! Balanced candite, well versed in all aspects of Eve. http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa
Iskyu Geiveme	Posted - 2010.04.30 01:25:00 - [157] You have my votes
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 08:55:00 - [158] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 30/04/2010 08:57:03 As to how I can pass judgement, two things: 1) I'm not on the CSM to represent my own agenda, I'm here to represent the players, and through Take Care, players of all playstyles participate and provide feedback. If a lowsec PVPer wants me to raise an issue, and can explain his viewpoints and the importance of the issue, I'll raise it. People from all playstyles are part of Take Care, from which I have learned a lot. I can rely on them to fill up any gaps in my knowledge and often did this in preparation for issues raised by others. I fully admit I don't know everything, but as proven in the past, I will always do my darned best to learn as much as I can about issues. What counts more, mere personal experience and opinions, or the experience and opinions of dozens of others? THAT is what Take Care stands for, a platform where every player can be heard, share his viewpoints about issues, and have direct influence into the CSM process. 2) Just because I don't find a certain part of the game fun, doesn't mean I don't know how to make it fun for others. Some of you find missions boring, I find PVP utterly boring (I have actually tried it, flying with gangs as tackler and remote repairer). As game designer I often design games or game mechanics that I personally would never want to play. But the act of designing those mechanics is fun, and it is fun for others to play. Insight can compensate for playing experience to a large degree. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.04.30 11:34:00 - [159] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Just because I don't find a certain part of the game fun, doesn't mean I don't know how to make it fun for others. Some of you find missions boring, I find PVP utterly boring (I have actually tried it, flying with gangs as tackler and remote repairer). As game designer I often design games or game mechanics that I personally would never want to play. But the act of designing those mechanics is fun, and it is fun for others to play. Insight can compensate for playing experience to a large degree. It's not that you don't like it, it's... Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I consider shooting players immoral and thus I have no kills. "I do not enjoy it" and "I find it morally wrong" are two entirely different things. One of them is a stance of neutral disinterest; for example, I don't like mining. I don't do it. I don't care if other people do. The other, and the one you've displayed, is a stance of contempt. You feel you are morally superior to those who do shoot other players, and seek to intentionally spite those who partake in PVP. Evidence: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't mind fitting cloaks and a rack full of warp core stabs, as denying others PVP is my kind of PVP. I feel warm and fuzzy when one of those leet PVPers whines in local in frustration, or tries to camp my mission and wastes his time while I'm cloaked and left for a shower, dinner, or work. After an hour or two, the screaming starts. This is, in essence, an attempt at griefing. The act itself (cloaking or escaping) is not. But, as evidenced by the bolded portions, you take pleasure in intentionally spiting people who do not play as you deem 'moral'. It's all about your intentions. Whether or not it is successful, you admit to taking pleasure in making the game less fun for PVPers. You absolutely cannot spin that quote to mean anything else. You intentionally go out of your way to (passive aggressively) grief people who don't play like you, and then take enough pleasure in it to brag about it. Now, that brings us to this point: How can you say you fairly represent the entire playerbase, given these facts? It's not a simple matter of you not being a PVPer and, perhaps, lacking a bit of knowledge.. You have, flat out, said that you consider us PVPers immoral and that you take pleasure in frustrating us and denying us our enjoyment of the game. And you would like to call yourself a 'fair' representative of the entire eve community? Face it. From a political standpoint, you've more or less said "I think <population demographic> is inferior, immoral, and I take pride in making life difficult for them." And you still don't understand why you've alienated the entire PVP playerbase? No one who thinks an entire portion of the EVE population is immoral (and thus inferior) should be a representative. There is no reason to believe you will not attempt to damage the PVP aspects of the game, simply to spite those you disagree with. You haven't even made a half decent attempt to hide your intense bias. Which brings us back to... Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I do not believe that these '1337' alliance CSM can properly understand EVE from the perspective of the average player. That is why I originally signed up for the CSM, now two years ago, to give a voice to this silent majority. Apparently, the 'silent majority' is 'the glorious opinions of Ankhesentapemkah'.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.04.30 11:37:00 - [160] Do you still endorse defacing and vandalising other peoples property?

Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 11:54:00 - [161] Trolls and people that quote out of context will not be replied to as they don't have any interest in what I have to say, but only want to twist my statements further. Ponder this: If I was so opposed to PVP, then why was my ultima online freeshard, one which I had absolute and total control over to the tiniest detail, a full PVP server? As for alts, none of the people posting here are my alts. A lot of the trolls are undoubtedly someone else's alts though. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.04.30 12:06:00 - [162] Edited by: Space Pinata on 30/04/2010 12:06:21 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Trolls and people that quote out of context will not be replied to as they don't have any interest in what I have to say, but only want to twist my statements further. Ponder this: If I was so opposed to PVP, then why was my ultima online freeshard, one which I had absolute and total control over to the tiniest detail, a full PVP server? There was no context. "I think shooting people is immoral" was the only line. You said it. You have said it several times. You're, unfortunately, backed into a corner and unable to reconcile with your alienation of a good portion of EVE. Personal attacks, however, will not change that fact. If you honestly believe me to be incorrect, explain to me how "I think shooting people is immoral", and the bit about trying to grief pvpers, is false in context. Tell me why I, a PVPer, should trust you to represent me, despite the things you've said. My vote will be counted too, afterall. Alternatively, you can call me a troll. Again, a political standpoint: Would a politician reaching out to a demographic try to tell them 'This is how I, if elected, will help you?' ..Or would they say 'You all disagree with me, you must be idiots and trolls'. Which one are you doing? You still don't get it, do you? You're so biased towards the "no-pvp" side that you don't even realize that you're telling off any potential voters who are not carebears, IE, anyone who disagrees with you. So, a simple request: Explain to me, and everyone else you've called immoral, why we should feel that you will represent us? Or, show some dignity, and at least admit that you do not intend to fairly represent any PVP player.
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.04.30 13:02:00 - [163] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah By popular request: Q: Waaah waaah Eva wants to kill all suicide ganking! A: My problem with suicide ganking is several fold. Known criminals are hiding behind CONCORD and thus are not at risk until they strike. The person getting ganked has little means to strike back. The costs for suicide ganking are still low thanks to the sponsorship from insurance. Sec status hits are quite meaningless and overcome in a mere hours. There should be more ways for the victims to get their vengeance. I prefer player-driven systems for this over artificial games mechanics. Tradable kill rights and bounty hunting would be a step in the right direction, putting law-enforcement in the hands of the players. As a low sec pvper who has participated in suicide ganking I fully endorse this proposal, bounty hunting has long been a glaring omission from this game. Sig_______ "Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth."
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2010.04.30 14:20:00 - [164] Edited by: Exlegion on 30/04/2010 14:25:27 Ank, You're running on a very impressive platform and seems like it's where I'd like to see the game head. I'll continue reviewing the rest of the candidates' platforms as well, but so far yours seems like it's headed in the 'right' direction. My own opinion, of course. Also, Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I consider shooting players immoral and thus I have no kills. Some of you are taking this way out of context. My character, Exlegion, happens to never initiate a shooting in-game. In other words, I role-play the "good guy", who also happens to think shooting others is immoral. Yet, I also can manage to understand the importance of PVP. Some of you need to be able to differntiate role-play from real life. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.04.30 14:45:00 - [165] Originally by: Exlegion Some of you are taking this way out of context. My character, Exlegion, happens to never initiate a shooting in-game. In other words, I role-play the "good guy", who also happens to think shooting others is immoral. Yet, I also can manage to understand the importance of PVP. These trains of thoughts are not mutually exclusive. I 'understand the importance' of the economy. Does that qualify me to be minister for finance? No. Anyway, Ankh's statements and general attitude clearly demonstrate that this goes beyond some bit of roleplaying. Similar to you, I won't shoot anyone but valid war targets on this character - but I have pirated on an alt. Would Ankh pirate on an alt I wonder? - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.30 15:29:00 - [166] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I consider shooting players immoral and thus I have no kills. Some of you are taking this way out of context. My character, Exlegion, happens to never initiate a shooting in-game. In other words, I role-play the "good guy", who also happens to think shooting others is immoral. Yet, I also can manage to understand the importance of PVP. Some of you need to be able to differntiate role-play from real life. I didn't get the memo where campaigning for the CSM was supposed to be RP even though we are running under our real names. This isn't an IC forum section so "I" will be assumed to refer to the player and not the character. Vote TeaDaze for CSM5!
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:07:00 - [167] Originally by: Crumplecorn I 'understand the importance' of the economy. Does that qualify me to be minister for finance? No. Anyway, Ankh's statements and general attitude clearly demonstrate that this goes beyond some bit of roleplaying. Similar to you, I won't shoot anyone but valid war targets on this character - but I have pirated on an alt. Would Ankh pirate on an alt I wonder? I can understand your point of view. And admittedly, I don't know much of any of the candidates running other than the platforms they present, as I have never taken an active interest in the CSM process before. But I cannot dismiss Ankh's platform based on whether she's ever pirated on an alt before or not, as I have never had an interest in playing a pirate either. My truth is I would very much like to see my style of play well-represented. With that said, I understand there needs to be balance between the different play styles. Originally by: TeaDaze I didn't get the memo where campaigning for the CSM was supposed to be RP even though we are running under our real names. This isn't an IC forum section so "I" will be assumed to refer to the player and not the character. That is because there was no such memo sent out. And there was also no memo sent out excluding CSM participation for having personal beliefs different from other players. You are free to not vote for her. If what she is representing isn't what you like by all means find a cadidate you feel will represent your interests. My point is you do not need to be a pirate to do good work as a CSM in general. As you do not need to be a carebear to represent the interests of carebears. It certainly helps. But it does not need to be that way. At least, I don't believe so. In fact, find me a pirate candidate that understands the importance of my play style and I will heavily consider his/her candidacy as well. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:48:00 - [168] Edited by: Space Pinata on 30/04/2010 16:50:47 Quote: . My point is you do not need to be a pirate to do good work as a CSM in general. As you do not need to be a carebear to represent the interests of carebears. It certainly helps. But it does not need to be that way. At least, I don't believe so. In fact, find me a pirate candidate that understands the importance of my play style and I will heavily consider his/her candidacy as well. That's the thing though. No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. For example, I don't like missions, so I don't do them. I do not, however, say that mission runners are inferior characters. I don't say they should have their characters deleted for running too many missions. I don't say they should be jailed. I don't say they're immoral, implying myself to be their superior by some sort of arbitrary e-bushido. Ankh has done all of these things, and then simply denies them as if they havn't happened. She says they're out of context, but fails (and refuses) to provide context with which to justify them. Basically, the platform seems to be 'Vote for me, and get revenge on evil pirates through my support of changes that hurt pvpers.'. With, of course, lip service towards being fair and balanced. There is nothing fair and balanced about "I am a carebear at heart" and "Shooting people is immoral". The former, by itself, is harmless. Coupled with an accusation of immorality, and an idea about jailing/deleting 'criminals'... trying to play oneself as a candidate without an agenda is silly. Just because the demographic you pander to prefers tax free one-man-corps doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means it's harder to point them out. It'd be like a PVP candidate saying that mission pockets should become 0.0, because they want carebear tears. Absolutely inappropriate for a representative.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.30 16:56:00 - [169] Originally by: Exlegion That is because there was no such memo sent out. And there was also no memo sent out excluding CSM participation for having personal beliefs different from other players. Which was exactly my point because this is an OOC forum. However when the comment about morality of shooting another player's character in a spaceship game was raised you quickly defended Ank using the roleplayer defence. Having different personal beliefs is fine, but calling people trolls when they question areas of expertise which are polar opposite to those beliefs doesn't give a good impression (that isn't to say some people haven't been trolling - they are being well fed in the process). Originally by: Exlegion If what she is representing isn't what you like by all means find a cadidate you feel will represent your interests. My point is you do not need to be a pirate to do good work as a CSM in general. As you do not need to be a carebear to represent the interests of carebears. It certainly helps. But it does not need to be that way. At least, I don't believe so. In fact, find me a pirate candidate that understands the importance of my play style and I will heavily consider his/her candidacy as well. I agree it is possible to represent the views of players who have areas of interest outside your own, I have done so myself during my candidacy. However as I said it is perfectly valid for potential voters to call into question somebody's campaign platform and ask questions about areas they might not cover very well (giving them a chance to respond, bump the thread and show how well they deal with opposing views). You'll notice I haven't attacked Ank or her platform, I have simply stated that this is an OOC forum and if somebody states "I think X is morally reprehensible" then that is seen as their opinion not that of the role played character. Vote TeaDaze for CSM5!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.04.30 17:19:00 - [170] Originally by: Exlegion But I cannot dismiss Ankh's platform based on whether she's ever pirated on an alt before or not, as I have never had an interest in playing a pirate either. There's a difference between having no interest and being unwilling due to some misapplied moral context. She shows distaste for one of the most fundamental aspects of EVE. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes

Atrei Capital	Posted - 2010.04.30 17:50:00 - [171] Edited by: Atrei Capital on 30/04/2010 17:51:08 A few questions. 1) Do you have any hard data on how profitable suicide ganking is, or the average loss for a gank ship? What about the average time it takes to find a target, and the chance loot drops, etc etc... basically, do you have any information as to how profitable ganking actually is? Or is it all just rumors and third-hand info? 2) Assume ganking is no different from any other profession, in terms of morals. Do you feel it makes too much money for too little effort, counting the grind for security status and the hours spent seeking a viable target? If miners were making the same isk/hour as suicide gankers are now, would miners need a nerf? 3) In all honesty, can you say that your stance on crime is based on game balance, rather than your own personal moral code? 4) Why should suicide ganking be more 'risky' than any other profession? Mission runners rarely lose ships, miners rarely lose ships, and both generate huge pools of ISK. Why should one profession have a high chance of losing time and money, while most others operate without this? Is it because someone is 'harmed' by the gankers? Isn't that just arbitrary morals bleeding into game design, at that point? Everyone says the risk should be high, but no one says -why- it should be high. Why shouldn't someone who chooses piracy as a profession be allowed to profit from it just the same as a mission runner profits from his missions?
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2010.04.30 18:06:00 - [172] Originally by: Space Pinata Edited by: Space Pinata on 30/04/2010 16:50:47 Quote: . My point is you do not need to be a pirate to do good work as a CSM in general. As you do not need to be a carebear to represent the interests of carebears. It certainly helps. But it does not need to be that way. At least, I don't believe so. In fact, find me a pirate candidate that understands the importance of my play style and I will heavily consider his/her candidacy as well. That's the thing though. No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. For example, I don't like missions, so I don't do them. I do not, however, say that mission runners are inferior characters. I don't say they should have their characters deleted for running too many missions. I don't say they should be jailed. I don't say they're immoral, implying myself to be their superior by some sort of arbitrary e-bushido. Ankh has done all of these things, and then simply denies them as if they havn't happened. She says they're out of context, but fails (and refuses) to provide context with which to justify them. Basically, the platform seems to be 'Vote for me, and get revenge on evil pirates through my support of changes that hurt pvpers.'. With, of course, lip service towards being fair and balanced. There is nothing fair and balanced about "I am a carebear at heart" and "Shooting people is immoral". The former, by itself, is harmless. Coupled with an accusation of immorality, and an idea about jailing/deleting 'criminals'... trying to play oneself as a candidate without an agenda is silly. Just because the demographic you pander to prefers tax free one-man-corps doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means it's harder to point them out. It'd be like a PVP candidate saying that mission pockets should become 0.0, because they want carebear tears. Absolutely inappropriate for a representative. I whole-heartedly agree with your post. And if in fact this is the case with Ankh then it is a turn-off (for me), since I believe that, as much a carebear as I am, PVP is the flowing living blood of Eve and without it it will simply die. I'll re-read some of her older posts to see where she stands on this. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 19:05:00 - [173] Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. That's why I proposed so many FW issues, that's why I contributed to a major 0.0 issue, and that's why I have been expressing myself heavily in favor for small gang warfare and lowsec improvements. As CSM I'll approach the game from the perspective of a game designer, which is a neutral one. Like I said, in my daily work I frequently design games I personally don't like, but there are plenty of people that do enjoy those games. I don't want to turn the game into a safe hello kitty online game, or a hand-held rollercoaster experience such as world of warcraft. I actually played both of those games for a while, and I didn't like either. Quote: I do not, however, say that mission runners are inferior characters. I don't say they should have their characters deleted for running too many missions. I don't say they should be jailed. Don't worry, that's not something I said either. As already explained three times before. All I said that suicide ganking currently has no serious consequences, and that there should be more player-driven justice which enables the victim to get revenge and allows lawful characters to hunt down criminals. Tradable killrights and bounty hunting have been proposed as solutions. Read the suicide ganking issue documents. I clearly wrote in there that I DONT want to make suicide ganking impossible through rulesets. This will only lead to more opportunities for PVP, not less. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.30 19:15:00 - [174] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. That's why I proposed so many FW issues, that's why I contributed to a major 0.0 issue, and that's why I have been expressing myself heavily in favor for small gang warfare and lowsec improvements. As CSM I'll approach the game from the perspective of a game designer, which is a neutral one. Like I said, in my daily work I frequently design games I personally don't like, but there are plenty of people that do enjoy those games. I don't want to turn the game into a safe hello kitty online game, or a hand-held rollercoaster experience such as world of warcraft. I actually played both of those games for a while, and I didn't like either. You keep bringing up your UO shard, that's great and everything but this is not UO and you have consistently displayed an aversion to PVP in every shape and form despite claiming to be a champion of some pressing issues. How can you even talk about improving small gang/lowsec/0.0 warfare without ever having taken part in them? I am reminded of a parable. A young boy lives next to a lake and every day over the summer watches people swimming in it. One day he plunges into the water and promptly drowns. You may be well read on the subject but until you've actually done it and involved yourself in the processes you can't comment on it at all. Approaching with the view of a game designer is great in some ways, but if you want to do that then apply for a game designer position. It's my firm belief that what makes the CSM great is that the delegates AREN'T game designers and are able to approach problems and deal with them with a slightly different mindset. That's not to say that delegates aren't neutral but players have a different mindset to devs and I think this is where you fall flat on your face. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Dee Tearant	Posted - 2010.04.30 19:22:00 - [175] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'll approach the game from the perspective of a game designer, which is a neutral one. The CSM are supposed to represent the players. CCP provide the game designers. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The problem basically is, that the CSM mostly approached issues from a game design perspective. Both of these quotes from you posted today though in reverse order. You blame previous CSM failure on acting like game designers but then commit to acting as a game designer if elected? Contradiction much?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 20:56:00 - [176] The above questions have already been answered several times and I don't feel like repeating myself for the fourth time. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.30 21:06:00 - [177] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The above questions have already been answered several times. [Citation Needed] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.30 21:18:00 - [178] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The above questions have already been answered several times. [Citation Needed] one two three four --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Soraya Nol	Posted - 2010.04.30 22:10:00 - [179] You really have no idea what you're talking about. After being in eve for several years you still make the mistakes and missasumptions most new eve player tend to make. You fail to realize that the pvp mechanics and the harsh nature of the game are at the very heart of eve's game design and philosophy. You have not experienced how the ships are balanced against eachother, how certain ship types are weak or strong in certain roles and against certain other ship types, how the dynamics are in group battles, how they are in large scale fleet battles etc. Maybe you¦ve read about these things but you have not experienced and experimented with it. You claim that you, being a game designer in rl, will be able to address issues consering pvp despite not liking it. This statement shows your naivite and inexperience. I¦ve seen your credentials. You not only claim to be a designer, you even say you¦re a programmer. I very much doubt that. In all honesty, you really are not helping here. You will probably be able to get enough votes because you have enough energy to mobilize the newer highsec dwelling community (an achievement in it's own right, I'll give you that). But your presence in the CSM will only have an overall negative effect. Both on how constructive disccusions will be and how serious ccp will be taking the CSM.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.01 01:53:00 - [180] Edited by: Space Pinata on 01/05/2010 01:55:15 Quote: Don't worry, that's not something I said either. As already explained three times before. All I said that suicide ganking currently has no serious consequences, and that there should be more player-driven justice which enables the victim to get revenge and allows lawful characters to hunt down criminals. Tradable killrights and bounty hunting have been proposed as solutions. Read the suicide ganking issue documents. I clearly wrote in there that I DONT want to make suicide ganking impossible through rulesets. This will only lead to more opportunities for PVP, not less. Would invincible/infallible concord still be a necessity? I could get behind a bounty system that, say, globally flagged a criminal until their 'debt' was paid. Maybe an NPC bounty of, oh.. 5-10 million (players could add this) to be collected upon ship destruction. Further crimes dig their hole deeper. Payout % is based on ship type. Killing a battleship pays more than a frigate, etc. Insurance could be voided, not for the initial highsec gank, but for the duration of their 'wanted' status. This is an unfortunate measure, really, but I can't think of another way to make sure they don't simply have a friend kill unfitted battleships to 'purge' their crimes. Other pirates/individuals with low security would be able to reduce their own bounty and raise their sec status by killing them. Thus a PVP form of security grinding is introduced. Of course, as a trade-off, the 'suicide' part of highsec piracy would need to be removed. Do you have an idea for how this can be done without making it a true killing field? I'd hate to see gangs of 50 disposable tech1 frigate alts ganking everyone not on a gate/station with impunity and then being recycled. Even ignoring the above idea: Do you want less npc consequences, and more player consequences? Or just more consequences in general?

RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.01 08:59:00 - [181] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 01/05/2010 09:04:00 They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! Hi there again....so how did petitioning to get your horrible-fit Navy Domi go? a-You didn't get it back because you were smacked under game mechanics. b-Based on ship fitting you don't have a clue how to fit/fly ships properly and hence have little game mechanic understanding. c-Your phoney exaggerated "lolgamedesign" experience is the rough equal to me drawing Runequest modules 20 years ago on graph paper and calling myself a "game designer". d-You wish to change the game to fairies-online. I wonder why CCP has not hired you yet...oh wa-- Look...perhaps you are a decent person outside the game. Ingame you are a terrible choice for anything that puts you in any position to remotely effect change. Just go away and be a quiet little furry bear in empire and let the playa's play. a kindly editIf you were to just stick to a PVE boosting endeavor or something I would happily applaud your efforts. It's by sticking your nose in areas you are incompetent and unqualified to judge (i.e.anything pvp-related) and hurf-blurfing random babble regarding same that makes you look a horrible advocate for change on a macro-scale.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.01 09:42:00 - [182] Edited by: Droog 1 on 01/05/2010 09:43:01 Google 'Hotep Shakkara'- This is the name of Anks alt and Guild Wars character if you want to know more about this candidates feelings on PvP, solo play and why she plays computer games. I found it very interesting.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.01 10:31:00 - [183] Originally by: Space Pinata Would invincible/infallible concord still be a necessity? I could get behind a bounty system that, say, globally flagged a criminal until their 'debt' was paid. Maybe an NPC bounty of, oh.. 5-10 million (players could add this) to be collected upon ship destruction. Further crimes dig their hole deeper. Payout % is based on ship type. Killing a battleship pays more than a frigate, etc. Insurance could be voided, not for the initial highsec gank, but for the duration of their 'wanted' status. This is an unfortunate measure, really, but I can't think of another way to make sure they don't simply have a friend kill unfitted battleships to 'purge' their crimes. That's basically how I envisioned it yes. Could be implemented in an entirely freeform fashion where everyone can participate, or when players have to mark themselves as vigilante (which could be expanded on, for example: by the removal of the NPC cargo scans for contraband, but put that in the player's hands as well: If you carry contraband and the vigilante scans you, he'll get killrights on your ship). Originally by: Space Pinata Other pirates/individuals with low security would be able to reduce their own bounty and raise their sec status by killing them. Thus a PVP form of security grinding is introduced. Yes, killing a player with negative sec status, while having a higher sec status yourself, should award a sec status bonus. I think this postitively influences the ROE in lowsec as well, as the current sec status hit for initiating combat against a known offender often makes no sense, and currently causes many players to lose sec status from lowsec PVP even if they aren't technically pirates but just are the ones that shot first. Seen a lot of this crap with Factional Warfare as well. Originally by: Space Pinata Of course, as a trade-off, the 'suicide' part of highsec piracy would need to be removed. Do you have an idea for how this can be done without making it a true killing field? I'd hate to see gangs of 50 disposable tech1 frigate alts ganking everyone not on a gate/station with impunity and then being recycled. That's a major problem yes, you can't hold the players truly accountable for their actions, because if the consequences would be too harsh, people start recycling characters or use trial accounts with destroyers. Originally by: Space Pinata Even ignoring the above idea: Do you want less npc consequences, and more player consequences? Or just more consequences in general? Short term: More player consequence, same NPC consequence Long term: Even more player consequence, less NPC consequence --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.01 13:27:00 - [184] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. No it wasn't Would you care to explain?
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.01 13:52:00 - [185] As a former corp mate of Ankh, I must publically state that I do not believe she should be a part of the CSM. Her attitudes towards eve are terrible and she has spent a great deal of time in game chat moaning about how puzzle pirates, a game aimed at young children, is in every way superior to EVE. Apparently the most important thing in Ankh's vision of EVE will be the ability to change the colour of your trousers. I urge anyone who cares in the slightest about the future development of EVE gameplay to vote for any other candidate. From what I've seen and my interactions there is no worse choice available. I've just one thing to say to you Ankh, take your CRAYONS and go play another game. Prodesse Non Nocere
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.01 13:55:00 - [186] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. No it wasn't: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah "I don't mind PVP per se, but since it seems to attract a lot of brainless morons that should be playing counterstrike instead if spamming my server with their stupid typo-ridden asstalk I turned mine into a PVM only server." Would you care to explain? And she wants that sort of power in EVE? I have no words - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.01 14:02:00 - [187] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. No it wasn't: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah "I don't mind PVP per se, but since it seems to attract a lot of brainless morons that should be playing counterstrike instead if spamming my server with their stupid typo-ridden asstalk I turned mine into a PVM only server." Would you care to explain? And she wants that sort of power in EVE? I have no words I'd rather vote my toaster onto the CSM than Ankh. Having had to endure a massive tirade on how EVE is a worthless game that isnt a real sandbox (apparently puzzle pirates is what EVE should be...and EVE cannot be a sandbox until such time as we have tailors...) from her in corp chat I can think of no one I would trust less to help direct the future of this game. Prodesse Non Nocere
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.01 14:24:00 - [188] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. No it wasn't Would you care to explain? Server was already dead for a while in 2007, as most players moved to WoW to play with their friends that couldn't stand UO's backwards graphics. Since I was still at the public server lists in the hope of attracting players, random players would jump in for no other reason than cause trouble by harrassing and insulting people. Only a solid German community remained and I switched the ruleset to Trammel because they had no interest in PVP and I was sick of dealing with random nutjobs that go from one PVP server to the next just to cause as much consternation as they could until they were banned. I wasn't the only server that had a problem with these people. Eventually I handed all code and data to the Germans and pulled my hands off it all. They managed to get it to work but I don't think it survived for long. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.01 14:39:00 - [189] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Space Pinata No one is calling Ankh out just because she doesn't pvp. There is a big difference in not PVPing and being very heavily against any PVP elements. That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. No it wasn't Would you care to explain? Server was already dead for a while in 2007, as most players moved to WoW to play with their friends that couldn't stand UO's backwards graphics. Since I was still at the public server lists in the hope of attracting players, random players would jump in for no other reason than cause trouble by harrassing and insulting people. Only a solid German community remained and I switched the ruleset to Trammel because they had no interest in PVP and I was sick of dealing with random nutjobs that go from one PVP server to the next just to cause as much consternation as they could until they were banned. I wasn't the only server that had a problem with these people. Eventually I handed all code and data to the Germans and pulled my hands off it all. They managed to get it to work but I don't think it survived for long. Goodness, another lie from you, this time with the partial quote. Did you post what was quoted that you snipped out? That you decided you didn't want PVPers? What about the fact that EVE isn't a real sandbox according to you? What about your statement that you feel implementation of custom clothing should take priority over ship balance and lag issues? Remember the wonderful crap you've spouted in corp chat, there are logs a plenty floating about that show what a lie most of your campaign is. So, once more, I say, go play with your CRAYONS and leave EVE to the people who actually play it and care about it. Prodesse Non Nocere
dreynar swyglou	Posted - 2010.05.01 14:41:00 - [190] After a looong background check on your view of how EVE Online should be changed I guarantee 1000% you wont receive my vote.

TheCartel	Posted - 2010.05.01 15:24:00 - [191] I believe Ankh's ideas provide many merits and qualities. J/K THIS CANT BE SERIAL
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.01 16:06:00 - [192] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.01 16:15:00 - [193] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I was sick of dealing with random nutjobs that go from one PVP server to the next just to cause as much consternation as they could until they were banned. Those bastards, thinking that they had the right to PvP on a PvP server!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.01 21:08:00 - [194] For someone that goes on about the moral inferiority of "most PvPers", she does seem to have a rather casual way with the truth. I'm sure some of her best friends are PvPers.
Amaegith Caldari Black Star Drilling Inc	Posted - 2010.05.02 00:52:00 - [195] How about the fact that a bounty hunting system to 'prevent' or deter suicide ganking is really a nerf to MINERS as well? Let's walk you through what would happen... Patch goes through with bounty hunting changes, pvpers actively go on bounty hunting sprees, many ships are lost on either side, new ships have to be build, mineral prices go up. Deterrence is largely successful as many people are now dissuaded from suicide ganking, previous gankers go to hi-sec missioning for easy money or back to low sec in the rare chance they might gank someone. Ship loss is at a low. Macro / AFK mining at an all time high as there is no ability to to 'combat' this activity outside of bumping them. More minerals are being brought in then demanded, mineral prices drop to a new low. This is probably the best case scenario from ANY of your proposed changes. Any of your other proposals that doesn't involve PvP (like bigger or meaningful security hits) would simply deter suicide ganking without filling the ship-loss void created, further driving mineral prices into the ground. So I have to ask, why do you hate miners too?
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.02 01:02:00 - [196] Edited by: Enriana Shli**n on 02/05/2010 01:06:08 Poor girl, you really have no idea how ridiculous you're making yourself. Saying you know about game production when all you have to show for yourself is student projects in which you slapped the title of programmer and designer on yourself. Do you realize that a lot of people in here actually are professial programmers? Can you see how ridiculous your references actually are? You really need to get the **** out of this game, and leave it to the people who actually care for it.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.02 01:50:00 - [197] Originally by: Enriana Shli**n Poor girl, you really have no idea how ridiculous you're making yourself. Saying you know about game production when all you have to show for yourself is student projects in which you slapped the title of programmer and designer on yourself. Do you realize that a lot of people in here actually are professial programmers? Can you see how ridiculous your references actually are? You really need to get the **** out of this game, and leave it to the people who actually care for it. To be fair, she actually is a professional programmer in her own right now, she got hired by some company out of university. Doesn't seem to have changed her perspective for the better at all, but it does help to be accurate with your criticism.
Galactic Enquirer	Posted - 2010.05.02 03:43:00 - [198] [ 2009.12.27 16:08:39 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Woot I'm actually getting good at PP, currently in a flottilla attack with a few hundred other players, this is actually more fun than EVE fleet battles :) [ 2009.12.27 16:09:03 ] Angus McAWESOME > THen why are you in EVE telling us about it? [ 2009.12.27 16:09:16 ] Angus McAWESOME > It's almost as if you're desperate for our approval or something. [ 2009.12.27 16:09:41 ] Angus McAWESOME > It's ok if you play other games. Just understand, we really don't care. [ 2009.12.27 16:19:29 ] Ankhesentapemkah > you dont care others may. [ 2009.12.27 16:19:42 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just telling that PP is vastly superior to EVE. [ 2009.12.27 16:19:54 ] Ankhesentapemkah > EVE has potential but they never live up to it. [ 2009.12.27 16:20:12 ] Ankhesentapemkah > which is why its silly that a kiddy game surpasses them. [ 2009.12.27 16:20:31 ] Angus McAWESOME > Yes, we know, the lack of paintable custom planets is a detriment to our enjoyment of the game... [ 2009.12.27 16:21:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I already told you its not about the color of the planets. [ 2009.12.27 16:21:08 ] Ankhesentapemkah > its the lack of impact on the world [ 2009.12.27 16:21:18 ] Angus McAWESOME > No, it's about having the ability to influence the game world. [ 2009.12.27 16:21:21 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in eve nothing matters in puzzle pirates it does, and players can leave their marks [ 2009.12.27 16:21:27 ] Ankhesentapemkah > exaclty which you dont in EVE. [ 2009.12.27 16:21:40 ] Angus McAWESOME > Which EVE aperently doesn't have despite the entirity of the game being exactly about sandbox. [ 2009.12.27 16:22:20 ] Angus McAWESOME > Maybe you don't leave a mark in EVE, but then that may be because you don't actually do anything. [ 2009.12.27 16:23:47 ] Angus McAWESOME > Rest of us, we've taken claim of our own system, an outpost, effect transport and logistics through out northern Providence through the JBs we maintain, defend space, sell and buy good and service in the economy, ect... [ 2009.12.27 16:25:00 ] Angus McAWESOME > All of which effects the games of literally thousands of other players, nevermind that we've left a persistent make on the gameworld. [ 2009.12.27 16:25:26 ] Angus McAWESOME > All of which you claim EVE doesn't do and this PP game some how does through the creative use of minigames and paintable **ing islands. [ 2009.12.27 16:26:25 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Listen to this. If everyone in CVA is hit by a bus tomorrow and disappears from EVE.... what is there that shows that they have ever been there? [ 2009.12.27 16:27:19 ] Angus McAWESOME > Well, a whole bunch of stations named after CVA corps, an assload of POSs... [ 2009.12.27 16:27:42 ] Angus McAWESOME > Oh, and a massive friggin amount of players all going "what the , where did CVA go"? [ 2009.12.27 16:28:00 ] Angus McAWESOME > Nope, no lasting effect on the game at all. [ 2009.12.27 16:48:51 ] Ankhesentapemkah > BINGO thus its NOT a sandbox! [ 2009.12.27 16:48:54 ] Ankhesentapemkah > cause you cant influence **! [ 2009.12.27 16:49:05 ] Ankhesentapemkah > UO PP and second life is. [ 2009.12.27 16:54:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > correct there is no reasong to play EVE because there is no meaningful action a player can undertake. [ 2009.12.27 16:54:22 ] Ankhesentapemkah > there must first be sandcastles if they are to be kicked. [ 2009.12.27 16:54:31 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm saying there are no sandcastles, just a desert. [ 2009.12.27 17:30:43 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in case you havent noticed, I'm not enjoying EVE [ 2009.12.27 17:31:28 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I just came back to EVE cause they promised we'd have tailor shops soon. [ 2009.12.27 17:31:37 ] Ankhesentapemkah > but no tailor shops here.
Galactic Enquirer	Posted - 2010.05.02 03:54:00 - [199] [ 2009.12.27 17:42:06 ] Jinx Calmar > Eve has plenty more content than those stupid little epeen displays. Like I said, it's based around pvp and that#s where all the fun content is. [ 2009.12.27 17:42:25 ] Ankhesentapemkah > PVP is completely meaningless though. [ 2009.12.27 17:42:32 ] Caoim Fearghul > Oddly, you havent proven anything Ankh. [ 2009.12.27 17:42:34 ] Angus McAWESOME > Wow, you've got two medals for being on the Stellar Council of Management. [ 2009.12.27 17:42:41 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Puzzle pirates has more PVP than EVE but at least they had the sense not basing the entire game around it. [ 2009.12.27 17:49:07 ] Angus McAWESOME > When was the last time you were actually relevant to the game? [ 2009.12.27 17:49:19 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I was relevant today in puzzlepirates. [ 2009.12.27 17:49:24 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I was relevant in ultima online [ 2009.12.27 17:49:30 ] Angus McAWESOME > Oh, so it's been a long time then. [ 2009.12.27 17:49:38 ] Jinx Calmar > ultima online is a dead game. [ 2009.12.27 17:49:42 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Cause in EVE you're all irrelevant. [ 2009.12.27 17:49:49 ] Jinx Calmar > it just hasn't had the good graces to fall over yet [ 2009.12.27 17:49:50 ] CorryBasler > i need tjhere money to buy the -7/p55/ddr3 i want [ 2009.12.27 17:50:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > you cant leave your mark you might as well be chinese player #23231 [ 2009.12.27 17:50:09 ] Ankhesentapemkah > you know thats why they never made multiple EVE shards. [ 2009.12.27 17:50:14 ] Scagga Laebetrovo > I left a mark, people made corporations in my honour [ 2009.12.27 17:50:16 ] Ankhesentapemkah > cause they'd all be exaclty the same! [ 2009.12.27 17:52:55 ] Ankhesentapemkah > its bull**** in EVE noone is accountable for their actions. [ 2009.12.27 17:53:00 ] Angus McAWESOME > Yeah, because achievment is about buying your way into things... [ 2009.12.27 17:53:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Because of Alts [ 2009.12.27 17:53:08 ] Jinx Calmar > So one of your key argument points is a game that#s been dead for what, eight? ten years? [ 2009.12.27 17:53:23 ] Ankhesentapemkah > UO lives on on the freeservers. [ 2009.12.27 17:53:29 ] Ankhesentapemkah > which have more players than EVE ever had. [ 2009.12.27 17:54:12 ] Ankhesentapemkah > UO > EVE and will always will be. [ 2009.12.27 17:59:19 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Well but what do visuals have to do with game design... [ 2009.12.27 17:59:26 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I mean lets take dwarf fortress. [ 2009.12.27 17:59:28 ] Jinx Calmar > quite alot actually. [ 2009.12.27 17:59:30 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Pinacle of game design [ 2009.12.27 17:59:35 ] Ankhesentapemkah > no visuals.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.02 04:15:00 - [200] Haha, oh wow. I can only hope potential voters take the time to read some of this before saying "I just want to elect a fellow carebear". And here I was starting to give the benefit of the doubt...

Lycanthis StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.02 05:15:00 - [201] So you ran your own private UO server? If you have no regard for the UO EULA, do you have one for the EVE EULA?
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.02 05:45:00 - [202] Quote: Ankhesentapemkah > I was relevant today in puzzlepirates. gold MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 07:06:00 - [203] Edited by: Furb Killer on 02/05/2010 07:11:22 Originally by: Amaegith Edited by: Amaegith on 02/05/2010 03:09:58 How about the fact that a bounty hunting system to 'prevent' or deter suicide ganking is really a nerf to MINERS as well? Let's walk you through what would happen... Patch goes through with bounty hunting changes, pvpers actively go on bounty hunting sprees, many ships are lost on either side, new ships have to be built, mineral prices go up. Deterrence is largely successful as many people are now dissuaded from suicide ganking, previous gankers go to hi-sec missioning for easy money or back to low sec in the rare chance they might gank someone. Ship loss is at a low. Macro / AFK mining at an all time high as there is no ability to to 'combat' this activity outside of bumping them without suffering the wrath of many bored (by then) bounty hunters. More minerals are being brought in then demanded, mineral prices drop to a new low. This is probably the best case scenario from ANY of your proposed changes. Any of your other proposals that don't involve PvP (like bigger or meaningful security hits) would simply deter suicide ganking without filling the ship-loss void created, further driving mineral prices into the ground. So I have to ask, why do you hate miners too? May I ask, what makes you think suicide gankers form a significant portion of minerals used? And i assume you are a suicide ganker yourself who is completely risk averse? You realise this is eve, supposed to be cold and dark. But you cant handle it when concord doesnt protect your fully insured BS anymore? Try hello kitty. Not to mention, what makes you think the bounty hunters would exceed the suicide gankers? Or why are the suicide gankers so incompetent they cant do anything anymore with some bounty hunters around? Serious you seem awfully scared for a working bounty system, the ultimate carebears, risk averse pvp'ers who dont dare to go away from concord protection.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 09:51:00 - [204] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 02/05/2010 09:51:42 Originally by: Furb Killer Serious you seem awfully scared for a working bounty system, the ultimate carebears, risk averse pvp'ers who dont dare to go away from concord protection. This. Risk-averse people that can't look beyond the scope of their own playstyle and trash out at anyone that doesn't play according to their specific niche. That is why it is important to have people like me on the CSM, people that look at the big picture, and truly make EVE better for all types of players. Someone that can represent the silent majority, not a select few loudmouths here on the forums. Oh and silly trolls that quote out of context still won't be replied to. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.02 10:06:00 - [205] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 02/05/2010 09:51:42 Originally by: Furb Killer Serious you seem awfully scared for a working bounty system, the ultimate carebears, risk averse pvp'ers who dont dare to go away from concord protection. This. Risk-averse people that can't look beyond the scope of their own playstyle and trash out at anyone that doesn't play according to their specific niche. That is why it is important to have people like me on the CSM, people that look at the big picture, and truly make EVE better for all types of players. Someone that can represent the silent majority, not a select few loudmouths here on the forums. Oh and silly trolls that quote out of context still won't be replied to. I'd like to meet your tailor. He's stiched you a mighty fine Teflon cape. [Srspost] If anyone here isn't looking beyond the scope of their own playstyle it's you. I'll admit that you do have some good ideas but your entire mindset is out of touch. You have given absolutely no evidence that you're seeking to educate yourself in essentially any part of the game. From flying terrible fit Navy Domis to avoiding PVP in any shape or form and branding those who disagree with you as trolls says to me that you are extremely risk averse and unable to look past your own playstyle.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.02 10:45:00 - [206] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 02/05/2010 10:51:34 [ 2009.12.27 17:30:43 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in case you havent noticed, I'm not enjoying EVE [ 2009.12.27 17:31:28 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I just came back to EVE cause they promised we'd have tailor shops soon. [ 2009.12.27 17:31:37 ] Ankhesentapemkah > but no tailor shops here. Hahahahahahahahahahaha OMG. p.s. I named my new Pilgrim "Ankh's Soiled Panty". How's that for leaving a mark? edityou http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw
Caelum Mortuos Gallente Zero G Research and Development	Posted - 2010.05.02 11:01:00 - [207] Edited by: Caelum Mortuos on 02/05/2010 11:07:33 Originally by: mazzilliu Quote: Ankhesentapemkah > I was relevant today in puzzlepirates. gold Agreed. Question for Ankh, Do you think up your campaign strategy and proposals for EVE while playing puzzlepirates? Question No.2 Quote: [ 2009.12.27 17:50:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > you cant leave your mark you might as well be chinese player #23231 What is your stance on allowing racists onto the CSM?
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.02 11:07:00 - [208] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah "I don't mind PVP per se, but since it seems to attract a lot of brainless morons that should be playing counterstrike instead if spamming my server with their stupid typo-ridden asstalk I turned mine into a PVM only server." Eve is a PvP server, but it seems to attract the type of lying, hypocritical, whiners that should be playing Hello Kitty instead of complaining about how the game is too difficult for them to grasp. Eve is an MMO and it wasn't designed for solo players who are only interested in rewards. Fortunately CCP will never allow the cluless minority to influence their decisions or their vision and will never ever turn the PVP off.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2010.05.02 11:47:00 - [209] Is it just me or does Furb Killer look suspiciously like Ankh's alt? Any to your motion that there is not sufficient punishment for miscreants in eve, I am involved in a 0.0 war and we are fighting in 0.0 and low sec, not all alliances corps have devlared war as per the concord type thing as we don't need that based in 0.0, so far I have killed about 22 reds in low sec and my security status has plummeted from +5 to -6.67, I spent 3 hours belt ratting in 0.0 trying to raise it and managed a raise of 0.5. You tell me if that is what you are trying to make harder, I detest ratting and grinding in a game to raise my security status, 1 point per day isn't my idea of fun, the way I'm going it is going to take all year to get a positive status and you say the punishments are not severe enough. Please explain why that punishment of forever shooting rats isn't severe enough for you.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.02 12:02:00 - [210] Originally by: Amaegith Edited by: Amaegith on 02/05/2010 03:09:58 How about the fact that a bounty hunting system to 'prevent' or deter suicide ganking is really a nerf to MINERS as well? Let's walk you through what would happen... Patch goes through with bounty hunting changes, pvpers actively go on bounty hunting sprees, many ships are lost on either side, new ships have to be built, mineral prices go up. Deterrence is largely successful as many people are now dissuaded from suicide ganking, previous gankers go to hi-sec missioning for easy money or back to low sec in the rare chance they might gank someone. Ship loss is at a low. Macro / AFK mining at an all time high as there is no ability to to 'combat' this activity outside of bumping them without suffering the wrath of many bored (by then) bounty hunters. More minerals are being brought in then demanded, mineral prices drop to a new low. This is probably the best case scenario from ANY of your proposed changes. Any of your other proposals that don't involve PvP (like bigger or meaningful security hits) would simply deter suicide ganking without filling the ship-loss void created, further driving mineral prices into the ground. So I have to ask, why do you hate miners too? "We are blowing up miners for their own good!"

Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 12:05:00 - [211] Originally by: debbie harrio Is it just me or does Furb Killer look suspiciously like Ankh's alt? Any to your motion that there is not sufficient punishment for miscreants in eve, I am involved in a 0.0 war and we are fighting in 0.0 and low sec, not all alliances corps have devlared war as per the concord type thing as we don't need that based in 0.0, so far I have killed about 22 reds in low sec and my security status has plummeted from +5 to -6.67, I spent 3 hours belt ratting in 0.0 trying to raise it and managed a raise of 0.5. You tell me if that is what you are trying to make harder, I detest ratting and grinding in a game to raise my security status, 1 point per day isn't my idea of fun, the way I'm going it is going to take all year to get a positive status and you say the punishments are not severe enough. Please explain why that punishment of forever shooting rats isn't severe enough for you. The current security hits in lowsec are a problem, not just for these war cases but also in Factional Warfare and for anti-pirates. Some players have advocated to completely abolish sec status hits in lowsec. The problem with artificial game mechanics is, that it is impossible for a computer to determine intent. Would you have any suggestions how you would like to see the security status mechanics behave in lowsec? --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.02 12:11:00 - [212] Originally by: debbie harrio Is it just me or does Furb Killer look suspiciously like Ankh's alt? Any to your motion that there is not sufficient punishment for miscreants in eve, I am involved in a 0.0 war and we are fighting in 0.0 and low sec, not all alliances corps have devlared war as per the concord type thing as we don't need that based in 0.0, so far I have killed about 22 reds in low sec and my security status has plummeted from +5 to -6.67, I spent 3 hours belt ratting in 0.0 trying to raise it and managed a raise of 0.5. You tell me if that is what you are trying to make harder, I detest ratting and grinding in a game to raise my security status, 1 point per day isn't my idea of fun, the way I'm going it is going to take all year to get a positive status and you say the punishments are not severe enough. Please explain why that punishment of forever shooting rats isn't severe enough for you. The incredible harshness of sec status hits is proven best by watching all those -10's podding freely through empire and still ganking ppl in hi sec through the use of an orca in a safe spot loaded up with cheap gankboats for example.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.02 12:13:00 - [213] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller The incredible harshness of sec status hits is proven best by watching all those -10's podding freely through empire and still ganking ppl in hi sec through the use of an orca in a safe spot loaded up with cheap gankboats for example. You do realise that very few people do this. If any.
frumpster	Posted - 2010.05.02 13:08:00 - [214] Edited by: frumpster on 02/05/2010 13:15:49 I prefer my canditates to be a litle more mentally stable. You have ceased to even attempt to explain away the disparity between your quotes and your purported views. I'd not be surprised if members of your immediate family were in politics - you use many of the same tactics. Answer enough of the questions to be seen to replying, but ignoring the juicy bits. Say something enough times and people will believe it (WOMD in Iraq, 'I understand the importance of pvp'), etc. In the end, your quotes have plenty enough ammo to shoot your own platform down. ninjatypoedit
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.02 13:38:00 - [215] Quote: This. Risk-averse people that can't look beyond the scope of their own playstyle and trash out at anyone that doesn't play according to their specific niche. What risks do you take? You describe yourself as a carebear (risk averse). You trash on pvpers (Numerous quotes which you refuse to take responsibility for). You want to nerf anyone who doesn't fit your specific niche. Was this a statement, or a confession? Hint: We're not here to troll you. We legitimately think you are a bad candidate, and you only further prove our point by pretending that if you call us trolls enough times, all the things you've said (and continue to say) will disappear. If they are really "out of context", then by all means, provide context. We're all waiting.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 13:53:00 - [216] Originally by: Space Pinata What risks do you take? You describe yourself as a carebear (risk averse). You trash on pvpers (Numerous quotes which you refuse to take responsibility for). You want to nerf anyone who doesn't fit your specific niche. Was this a statement, or a confession? Hint: We're not here to troll you. We legitimately think you are a bad candidate, and you only further prove our point by pretending that if you call us trolls enough times, all the things you've said (and continue to say) will disappear. If they are really "out of context", then by all means, provide context. We're all waiting. The thing is, every time I provided context, it is ignored, and the trolls just repeat the same old statement which has just been proven false, or pick new things from the post, rip those out of context while ignoring that very same context, and write up another troll post. What is the point of answering if noone wants to hear the answer, but are just looking for more fodder for their crapposts? Like the "Ankh wants to nerf all PVP", while there are a zillion posts now that clarify how my standpoints lead to MORE AND BETTER PVP. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Dee Tearant	Posted - 2010.05.02 13:57:00 - [217] Originally by: frumpster Edited by: frumpster on 02/05/2010 13:15:49 I prefer my canditates to be a litle more mentally stable. You have ceased to even attempt to explain away the disparity between your quotes and your purported views. I'd not be surprised if members of your immediate family were in politics - you use many of the same tactics. Answer enough of the questions to be seen to replying, but ignoring the juicy bits. Say something enough times and people will believe it (WOMD in Iraq, 'I understand the importance of pvp'), etc. In the end, your quotes have plenty enough ammo to shoot your own platform down. ninjatypoedit Tech 2 damage control in effect. Linked post now states Quote: frumpster is a filthy troll. Last edited by Ankhesentapemkah; 05-02-2010 at 09:46 AM. So everyone will assume that whatever was in that nearly 4 year old post needed to be edited from history. I am still waiting for an explanation of these two conflicting statements posted to this forum in a single day. Originally by: Dee Tearant Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'll approach the game from the perspective of a game designer, which is a neutral one. The CSM are supposed to represent the players. CCP provide the game designers. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The problem basically is, that the CSM mostly approached issues from a game design perspective. Both of these quotes from you posted today though in reverse order. You blame previous CSM failure on acting like game designers but then commit to acting as a game designer if elected? Contradiction much? I must be a troll because I require candidates to explain contradictions and empty promises.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 14:17:00 - [218] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 02/05/2010 14:22:46 Originally by: Dee Tearant Tech 2 damage control in effect. Linked post now states Quote: frumpster is a filthy troll. Last edited by Ankhesentapemkah; 05-02-2010 at 09:46 AM. So everyone will assume that whatever was in that nearly 4 year old post needed to be edited from history. Correct, because people do not know the context in which it was posted. It came out of an unmoderated trashforum, for your info. I don't feel the need to be held accountable for something that was posted in jest, which is ripped out of context, like all the 'filthy trolls' have been doing for 8 pages now. Quote: I am still waiting for an explanation of these two conflicting statements posted to this forum in a single day. It only conflicts if you rip it out of context as partial quotes. As already clarified, in the very same post with you rip quotes from, the CSM needs to convince the game designers but ALSO needs to convince CCP from a business perspective, and market their issues. Otherwise they remain in the backlog and aren't taken into the scrum sprints. I'll base my decissions on a game design perspective, but when talking to CCP I will do my best to also market the issues. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.05.02 14:18:00 - [219] Originally by: Space Pinata Hint: We're not here to troll you. We legitimately think you are a bad candidate, and you only further prove our point by pretending that if you call us trolls enough times, all the things you've said (and continue to say) will disappear. QFT
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.02 14:20:00 - [220] Originally by: Dee Tearant Originally by: frumpster Edited by: frumpster on 02/05/2010 13:15:49 I prefer my canditates to be a litle more mentally stable. You have ceased to even attempt to explain away the disparity between your quotes and your purported views. I'd not be surprised if members of your immediate family were in politics - you use many of the same tactics. Answer enough of the questions to be seen to replying, but ignoring the juicy bits. Say something enough times and people will believe it (WOMD in Iraq, 'I understand the importance of pvp'), etc. In the end, your quotes have plenty enough ammo to shoot your own platform down. ninjatypoedit Tech 2 damage control in effect. Linked post now states Quote: frumpster is a filthy troll. Last edited by Ankhesentapemkah; 05-02-2010 at 09:46 AM. So everyone will assume that whatever was in that nearly 4 year old post needed to be edited from history. Ehehehe. I managed to catch the post before the edit and I won't relate the jist of it here but yeah, girl's got issues. I do continue to enjoy the branding of anyone with a counter arguement or who has dug up some dirt as a troll. You shouldn't play in the mud if you don't want to get dirty.

dreynar swyglou	Posted - 2010.05.02 14:38:00 - [221] Miss Antspankmyankle or wooteveryourcharnameis the way I see it you have some serious issues with the EVE-O PVP comunity. You want EVE-O to be: -PVE based game with people losing 20% of their skills or their entire character for engaging in PVP. -YOU want EVE-O to be your nice little single-player game where your can kill rats to your heart desire and pimp your ships endlessly . -YOU consider PVPers immoral people, evil people for 'hurting' others through non-consensual PVP. -YOU cannot make clear,solid distinctions between this game and real life. -YOU want a permanent seat on the CSM to enforce your PVE and heavenly EVE-O agenda. -YOU make use of smear campaign on other candidates. -YOU consider those that actually suport you your PETS and mindless minions. -YOU edit your initial post to hide your little dirty agenda . Now the fact of the matter is EVE-O is: -IT is a game based around non-consensual PVP. -IT has one of the greatest MMO comunity I ever seen(minus yourself ) -IT gives every player the possibility to make an impact on this fictional universe. -IT is a harsh but still fictional world in which most people have fun blowing each other up. -IT has one of the longest learning curves out there among MMORPG games. I joined EVE-O exactly for that harsh environment, those 'immoral' players as you call them,for the freedom we are given within this fictional world and for the spaceships. Tell me why would I ever consider you a worthy representative of the player base when you're trying to ruin this game?
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.02 14:47:00 - [222] Originally by: dreynar swyglou Miss Antspankmyankle or wooteveryourcharnameis the way I see it you have some serious issues with the EVE-O PVP comunity. You want EVE-O to be: -PVE based game with people losing 20% of their skills or their entire character for engaging in PVP. -YOU want EVE-O to be your nice little single-player game where your can kill rats to your heart desire and pimp your ships endlessly . -YOU consider PVPers immoral people, evil people for 'hurting' others through non-consensual PVP. -YOU cannot make clear,solid distinctions between this game and real life. -YOU want a permanent seat on the CSM to enforce your PVE and heavenly EVE-O agenda. -YOU make use of smear campaign on other candidates. -YOU consider those that actually suport you your PETS and mindless minions. -YOU edit your initial post to hide your little dirty agenda . Now the fact of the matter is EVE-O is: -IT is a game based around non-consensual PVP. -IT has one of the greatest MMO comunity I ever seen(minus yourself ) -IT gives every player the possibility to make an impact on this fictional universe. -IT is a harsh but still fictional world in which most people have fun blowing each other up. -IT has one of the longest learning curves out there among MMORPG games. I joined EVE-O exactly for that harsh environment, those 'immoral' players as you call them,for the freedom we are given within this fictional world and for the spaceships. Tell me why would I ever consider you a worthy representative of the player base when you're trying to ruin this game? STOP TAKING HER COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 14:58:00 - [223] Thank you for the nice list of misconceptions so I can answer them once and for all. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -PVE based game with people losing 20% of their skills or their entire character for engaging in PVP. False as proven 3 times already. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU want EVE-O to be your nice little single-player game where your can kill rats to your heart desire and pimp your ships endlessly . False, as seen by me focussing on FW and 0.0 issues. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU consider PVPers immoral people, evil people for 'hurting' others through non-consensual PVP. Depends on the exact type of PVPer we're talking about. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU cannot make clear,solid distinctions between this game and real life. False. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU want a permanent seat on the CSM to enforce your PVE and heavenly EVE-O agenda. False. I'm against the raising of the term limits as said in the opening post. My 'heavenly EVE-O agenda' is making EVE better for everyone. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU make use of smear campaign on other candidates. False. So far I see a lot of candidates in my thread, and slandering me on forums such as scrapheap and tweakers.net. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU consider those that actually suport you your PETS and mindless minions. False exaggeration. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU edit your initial post to hide your little dirty agenda . False, I added more information. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.02 15:18:00 - [224] Edited by: Ildryn on 02/05/2010 15:27:09 I used to not let any of this bother me. I never cared about CSM or what happened as long as EVE just continued to get bigger and more exciting. However recently that has changed...i have been a pirate and a carebear. I have had officer fits for mission running and participated in the gank. Now i must say i dont think Ankhesentapemkah is right for this position. Please dont vote for someone who wants to gimp people who want to pvp in a pvp game.
Dirk Culliford H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.02 15:29:00 - [225] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU want EVE-O to be your nice little single-player game where your can kill rats to your heart desire and pimp your ships endlessly . False, as seen by me focussing on FW By 'focusing on FW' do you mean running FW missions without ever actually engaging in pvp?
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.02 15:36:00 - [226] Ankh, I have a question I'm sure you won't answer because it's a "troll", however legitimate it may be. My question: Who do you really think you're fooling here? If you don't think we see right through you, you clearly underestimate the intelligence of this community, and it's frankly rather insulting.
Danks Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.02 15:49:00 - [227] Interesting read. As one of the faceless voters out there I can say I will be taking my four votes elsewhere.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.02 16:59:00 - [228] Quote: False. I'm against the raising of the term limits as said in the opening post. My 'heavenly EVE-O agenda' is making EVE better for everyone. Now, I'm not taking this out of context. You can't spin this. You are a liar. You are not against raising term limits when you are taking advantage of them for another term. If you are against them, put your money where your mouth is, practice what you say you believe. How can anyone trust you when you're already openly violating your own principles?
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:00:00 - [229] Edited by: Dariah Stardweller on 02/05/2010 19:01:08 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Dariah Stardweller The incredible harshness of sec status hits is proven best by watching all those -10's podding freely through empire and still ganking ppl in hi sec through the use of an orca in a safe spot loaded up with cheap gankboats for example. You do realise that very few people do this. If any. I can't tell you what all those -10's in hi sec are doing, but there are so many of them moving around freely that it's obvious to even the daftest of ppl that sec status hits aren't that harsh of a punishment. Somehow, however, I doubt all those -10's podding through hi sec are there just to adjust there market orders, don't you?
Disunia Vertas Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:21:00 - [230] Edited by: Disunia Vertas on 02/05/2010 19:23:05 Quick question: Why do you think you are able to represent '0.0' while you've hardly ever participated in it? As far as i can see all you have done is a few missions and some complexes. Quote: False. I'm against the raising of the term limits as said in the opening post. My 'heavenly EVE-O agenda' is making EVE better for everyone. You can't make EVE better for everybody. If you change something in favor for 1 person, another will have a bad day. Now the question is.. Who will have the bad day?

Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:23:00 - [231] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Edited by: Dariah Stardweller on 02/05/2010 19:01:08 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Dariah Stardweller The incredible harshness of sec status hits is proven best by watching all those -10's podding freely through empire and still ganking ppl in hi sec through the use of an orca in a safe spot loaded up with cheap gankboats for example. You do realise that very few people do this. If any. I can't tell you what all those -10's in hi sec are doing, but there are so many of them moving around freely that it's obvious to even the daftest of ppl that sec status hits aren't that harsh of a punishment. Somehow, however, I doubt all those -10's podding through hi sec are there just to adjust there market orders, don't you? Or perhaps shortcutting across high sec to get to another area of low or null sec without taking a 40 plus jump route? Seriously, you're asserting it's a problem. It's something I've hardly ever seen happening. I normally see -10's around short transit routes or near market hubs...so, yeah, I suspect they are mostly moving or changing orders. Prodesse Non Nocere
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:35:00 - [232] Edited by: Furb Killer on 02/05/2010 19:36:49 Originally by: debbie harrio Is it just me or does Furb Killer look suspiciously like Ankh's alt? Any to your motion that there is not sufficient punishment for miscreants in eve, I am involved in a 0.0 war and we are fighting in 0.0 and low sec, not all alliances corps have devlared war as per the concord type thing as we don't need that based in 0.0, so far I have killed about 22 reds in low sec and my security status has plummeted from +5 to -6.67, I spent 3 hours belt ratting in 0.0 trying to raise it and managed a raise of 0.5. You tell me if that is what you are trying to make harder, I detest ratting and grinding in a game to raise my security status, 1 point per day isn't my idea of fun, the way I'm going it is going to take all year to get a positive status and you say the punishments are not severe enough. Please explain why that punishment of forever shooting rats isn't severe enough for you. You can get positive again in no time, either do it more efficient or just do it for the isk and take the sec status increase as a bonus. But even then it shouldnt take too long. Btw, it is just you, you are a paranoid. Still would like to have boobies though, ah well, wishfull thinking. Quote: Please dont vote for someone who wants to gimp people who want to pvp in a pvp game. You mean dont let people actually pvp? (As with bounties you would get, honestly the larger part of suicide ganking is pve).
Disunia Vertas Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:48:00 - [233] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 02/05/2010 19:36:49 You can get positive again in no time, either do it more efficient or just do it for the isk and take the sec status increase as a bonus. But even then it shouldnt take too long. That entirely depends on what type of 0.0 access you have. It will take ages if you can't get to a spot that allows you to rat in a non-cloaky ship. Which is quite punishing imo. Ofcourse if you take care of sec hits before you go below -2.0 it's alot easier.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:57:00 - [234] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Correct, because people do not know the context in which it was posted. It came out of an unmoderated trashforum, for your info. I don't feel the need to be held accountable for something that was posted in jest, which is ripped out of context, like all the 'filthy trolls' have been doing for 8 pages now. I didn't see the original post, so I can't speak to its content. But then, neither did most of the people reading this now, they can only work off what you haven't edited away and what's said here. I can see the original thread, and I can see your defence of the post. The thread started off with "How many people have acctually considered suicide?", and you posted something "in jest" as a reply that you removed because it would make you look bad. To my mind, that translates into you having made fun of the suicidal. I obviously don't know whether that's the case, but that's sure how you're making it seem. If that's not the case, you may want to rethink your damage control tactics. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU consider PVPers immoral people, evil people for 'hurting' others through non-consensual PVP. Depends on the exact type of PVPer we're talking about. There are many things you could have said there that might have placated us. This? Not one of them. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU want a permanent seat on the CSM to enforce your PVE and heavenly EVE-O agenda. False. I'm against the raising of the term limits as said in the opening post. And yet, that opposition hasn't stopped you from running again. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I can't tell you what all those -10's in hi sec are doing, but there are so many of them moving around freely that it's obvious to even the daftest of ppl that sec status hits aren't that harsh of a punishment. Somehow, however, I doubt all those -10's podding through hi sec are there just to adjust there market orders, don't you? No, a lot of them are there to buy implants and skills, or to buy light ships that they can run out to lowsec faster than the faction police can kill them. Or they're flying to a different lowsec pocket.
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:57:00 - [235] hi there, what are your views on boosting piracy and high sec crime? I think these areas have been ignored for far to long and need to be improved.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.02 20:43:00 - [236] Originally by: Caoim Fearghul Or perhaps shortcutting across high sec to get to another area of low or null sec without taking a 40 plus jump route? Seriously, you're asserting it's a problem. It's something I've hardly ever seen happening. I normally see -10's around short transit routes or near market hubs...so, yeah, I suspect they are mostly moving or changing orders. I'm merely stating that if -10's can move around hi sec so freely to go about there business then maybe having negative sec status ain't that 'harsh' of a punishment. Cause someone was whining about it being all such a big deal
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.02 21:02:00 - [237] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I'm merely stating that if -10's can move around hi sec so freely to go about there business then maybe having negative sec status ain't that 'harsh' of a punishment. Cause someone was whining about it being all such a big deal Yeah, they can move around highsec freely, unless they want to use ships. But of course, it's not like this is a game about spaceships, after all.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.02 21:17:00 - [238] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I'm merely stating that if -10's can move around hi sec so freely to go about there business then maybe having negative sec status ain't that 'harsh' of a punishment. Cause someone was whining about it being all such a big deal Yeah, they can move around highsec freely, unless they want to use ships. But of course, it's not like this is a game about spaceships, after all. Yes, EVE is completely about using ships, ofcourse, nothing to do in EVE but fly ships...
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.03 00:01:00 - [239] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I'm merely stating that if -10's can move around hi sec so freely to go about there business then maybe having negative sec status ain't that 'harsh' of a punishment. Cause someone was whining about it being all such a big deal Yeah, they can move around highsec freely, unless they want to use ships. But of course, it's not like this is a game about spaceships, after all. Yes, EVE is completely about using ships, ofcourse, nothing to do in EVE but fly ships... So, what exactly is there to do without a ship? Run jobs (though you cant move goods to market or gather materials without a ship...) Market trading (of course you cant exploit market differentials without a ship...) Research agents (which is about the only thing you can do to full effect without a ship, though you'll need one to gain the standings first of all...) Station spin (works best with a pretty ship, so you'll need to be in a market hub for best effect...) Prodesse Non Nocere
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2010.05.03 06:38:00 - [240] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah False. So far I see a lot of candidates in my thread, and slandering me on forums such as scrapheap and tweakers.net Incorrect. You accused me of any number of exploiting in my thread when I ran for CSM. Among them you accused me of flying in stabbed and cloaking ships and bugging plexes without a shred of evidence. However, you did post an image of yourself happily flying in cloaked/stabbed frigate and not pulling an aggro from full npc spawn of caldari rats. And when we finally had enough of this crap and decided to show what could be achieved if done on industrial scale (Amarr/Minmatar front) it suddenly become a problem and exploit in your opinion and you wanted people banned for using it (See message from Larkonis earlier). Beforehand, you were quite happy to gloat about it's use in local and you even said in Fanfest FW video that such standing exploit was only "valid way' (your words at 3.54) to capture Caldari plexes and pulled random numbers from your hat on how much ISK Caldari could farm from COSMOS missions via plexing alts. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General

JusCheckin Jita	Posted - 2010.05.03 07:48:00 - [241] THIS PERSON IS RUNNING FOR CSM. !??!?!?! YOU WANT THIS PERSON TO BE RUNNING YOUR GAME. Ankh has NO idea of the workings of eve. She's a DHB Wildcat ego with a carebear mentality - which is fine for representing those players - who pretends to know everything, when it's quite opposite that IS NOT the case. Prove that you know these things you say you know. Prove to us you are competent in the ways of pirating, suicide ganking, and null-sec pvp that you claim to know so much about. I don't care how.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.03 08:05:00 - [242] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/05/2010 08:08:18 I know stuff about PVP and stuff! I do not capture plexes with cloaking frigates, THAT IS LIES. Srsly. I mean, you wouldn't be catching half the flak if you just honestly said "I'm a carebear candidate" and be done with it. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2010.05.03 09:45:00 - [243] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Caoim Fearghul Or perhaps shortcutting across high sec to get to another area of low or null sec without taking a 40 plus jump route? Seriously, you're asserting it's a problem. It's something I've hardly ever seen happening. I normally see -10's around short transit routes or near market hubs...so, yeah, I suspect they are mostly moving or changing orders. I'm merely stating that if -10's can move around hi sec so freely to go about there business then maybe having negative sec status ain't that 'harsh' of a punishment. Cause someone was whining about it being all such a big deal Actually being an outlaw puts very harsh limitations, so does the 15 minute global criminal countdown. Pirating in low sec creates all sorts of issues, some of them can be circumvented partially, some can't, but in either case its a pain in the arse. Of course you, or ankhsdfhdwosjifdsahiiuha or anyone who can possibly agree with her wouldn't have a slightest idea about this since they never tried it. Which is fine on its own of course, but when one such person runs for a position with certain degree of power, starts mentioning deleting my characters and only not literally being in favour of it because it's "impractical" I'll be so bold to feel offended.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.03 11:51:00 - [244] I heard CVA had a large fleet battle last night. Would the candidate care to comment on her participation in this particular action and 100's of other engagements over the last several months? This would allow us voters the chance to judge her ability to understand basics of nullsec combat, pvp ** fitting (oops did I say **? I meant ship ofc), playing with others who dare indulge in said pvp (cuz ya know...thats pretty much what the ole sandbox is all about), and knowledge of fleet mechanics and lag? Nahhh...didn't think so. I swear you must be the sole exception to the rule that "all dutch folks are cool"
Voluptuous	Posted - 2010.05.03 14:28:00 - [245] Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:29:11 Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:28:53 Ankhesentapemkah has always been very easy to reach, either in game or otherwise. She listens to players and is not afraid to have a go at trying to right what she feels is unfair to those who voice their concerns to her. Whether you vote for her or not, there will be many csm elected, ensuring checks & balances. As for me and many of my friends, she has proven her worth, and will as before, gain our vote for CSM. Take-care FTW
Skye Aurorae	Posted - 2010.05.03 14:56:00 - [246] Wow so when you didn't like Ultima Online you ran your own server with all the the stuff you didn't like disabled. That's almost like some pilot in 0.0 running a packet filter to mask his presence in local, changing the game to suit their play style. And so the only way for you to change Eve is for people to vote you onto the CSM, but you're an extermist, it like voting for a republican because you don't like taxes and then finding out that you get all that christian fundamentalism hokey too. Vote for anyone but Ankhicantbebotheredtospellhernameright.
Amaegith Caldari Black Star Drilling Inc	Posted - 2010.05.03 15:12:00 - [247] Originally by: Voluptuous Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:29:11 Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:28:53 Take-care FTW ^ This right here is why you can't claim to be running 'independent'
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.05.03 16:00:00 - [248] Ha, like a Democrat candidate in a room with Republican voters. "I wonder why you don't seem to be in alignment with the people you are supposed to represent." Yeah, right. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.03 16:28:00 - [249] Originally by: Damar Rocarion However, you did post an image of yourself happily flying in cloaked/stabbed frigate and not pulling an aggro from full npc spawn of caldari rats. Erm...the cloak is off in that picture. It's perfectly legit to have a cloak fitted to your ship, as long as you're not using it to capture the plexes.
Voluptuous	Posted - 2010.05.03 16:48:00 - [250] Originally by: Amaegith Originally by: Voluptuous Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:29:11 Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:28:53 Take-care FTW ^ This right here is why you can't claim to be running 'independent' Take-Care has been a CSM organization originally founded by Ankhesentapemkah in CSM 1 Take care represents the goals and direction that Ankhsentapemkah plans to take her candidacy. This doesn't change her independent status

Amaegith Caldari Black Star Drilling Inc	Posted - 2010.05.03 16:54:00 - [251] Originally by: Voluptuous Originally by: Amaegith Originally by: Voluptuous Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:29:11 Edited by: Voluptuous on 03/05/2010 14:28:53 Take-care FTW ^ This right here is why you can't claim to be running 'independent' Take-Care has been a CSM organization originally founded by Ankhesentapemkah in CSM 1 Take care represents the goals and direction that Ankhsentapemkah plans to take her candidacy. This doesn't change her independent status Explain to me how having an organization behind you make you 'independent'.
commander leigen	Posted - 2010.05.03 17:42:00 - [252] Originally by: Galactic Enquirer [ 2009.12.27 16:08:39 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Woot I'm actually getting good at PP, currently in a flottilla attack with a few hundred other players, this is actually more fun than EVE fleet battles :) [ 2009.12.27 16:09:03 ] Angus McAWESOME > THen why are you in EVE telling us about it? [ 2009.12.27 16:09:16 ] Angus McAWESOME > It's almost as if you're desperate for our approval or something. [ 2009.12.27 16:09:41 ] Angus McAWESOME > It's ok if you play other games. Just understand, we really don't care. [ 2009.12.27 16:19:29 ] Ankhesentapemkah > you dont care others may. [ 2009.12.27 16:19:42 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just telling that PP is vastly superior to EVE. [ 2009.12.27 16:19:54 ] Ankhesentapemkah > EVE has potential but they never live up to it. [ 2009.12.27 16:20:12 ] Ankhesentapemkah > which is why its silly that a kiddy game surpasses them. [ 2009.12.27 16:20:31 ] Angus McAWESOME > Yes, we know, the lack of paintable custom planets is a detriment to our enjoyment of the game... [ 2009.12.27 16:21:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I already told you its not about the color of the planets. [ 2009.12.27 16:21:08 ] Ankhesentapemkah > its the lack of impact on the world [ 2009.12.27 16:21:18 ] Angus McAWESOME > No, it's about having the ability to influence the game world. [ 2009.12.27 16:21:21 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in eve nothing matters in puzzle pirates it does, and players can leave their marks [ 2009.12.27 16:21:27 ] Ankhesentapemkah > exaclty which you dont in EVE. [ 2009.12.27 16:21:40 ] Angus McAWESOME > Which EVE aperently doesn't have despite the entirity of the game being exactly about sandbox. [ 2009.12.27 16:22:20 ] Angus McAWESOME > Maybe you don't leave a mark in EVE, but then that may be because you don't actually do anything. [ 2009.12.27 16:23:47 ] Angus McAWESOME > Rest of us, we've taken claim of our own system, an outpost, effect transport and logistics through out northern Providence through the JBs we maintain, defend space, sell and buy good and service in the economy, ect... [ 2009.12.27 16:25:00 ] Angus McAWESOME > All of which effects the games of literally thousands of other players, nevermind that we've left a persistent make on the gameworld. [ 2009.12.27 16:25:26 ] Angus McAWESOME > All of which you claim EVE doesn't do and this PP game some how does through the creative use of minigames and paintable **ing islands. [ 2009.12.27 16:26:25 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Listen to this. If everyone in CVA is hit by a bus tomorrow and disappears from EVE.... what is there that shows that they have ever been there? [ 2009.12.27 16:27:19 ] Angus McAWESOME > Well, a whole bunch of stations named after CVA corps, an assload of POSs... [ 2009.12.27 16:27:42 ] Angus McAWESOME > Oh, and a massive friggin amount of players all going "what the , where did CVA go"? [ 2009.12.27 16:28:00 ] Angus McAWESOME > Nope, no lasting effect on the game at all. [ 2009.12.27 16:48:51 ] Ankhesentapemkah > BINGO thus its NOT a sandbox! [ 2009.12.27 16:48:54 ] Ankhesentapemkah > cause you cant influence **! [ 2009.12.27 16:49:05 ] Ankhesentapemkah > UO PP and second life is. [ 2009.12.27 16:54:01 ] Ankhesentapemkah > correct there is no reasong to play EVE because there is no meaningful action a player can undertake. [ 2009.12.27 16:54:22 ] Ankhesentapemkah > there must first be sandcastles if they are to be kicked. [ 2009.12.27 16:54:31 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm saying there are no sandcastles, just a desert. [ 2009.12.27 17:30:43 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in case you havent noticed, I'm not enjoying EVE [ 2009.12.27 17:31:28 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I just came back to EVE cause they promised we'd have tailor shops soon. [ 2009.12.27 17:31:37 ] Ankhesentapemkah > but no tailor shops here. I was starting to think that maybe she had some good ideas, but this text for her is political suicide, you talk too much to the wrong people unfortunately, shame.

CCP Shadow C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.03 18:16:00 - [253] I've removed off-topic comments from this thread. Carry on. -- Shadow

Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.03 18:17:00 - [254] Good info Captain! This is quite sickening. I have some questions for Ankhesentapemkah but I too don't respond to trolls, which I'm pretty sure she is At least you have the important political traits of not giving straight answers to uncomfortable questions and outright lying. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
Angus McAWESOME	Posted - 2010.05.03 20:14:00 - [255] Edited by: Angus McAWESOME on 03/05/2010 20:14:24 Hi there, just thought I'd post and confirm that yes, that's me in that chat log and, yes, that's precisely how deluded Ank really is when she thinks no one else will see it. The above chatlog is an excerpt from a corp chat from back when I was in AFC, and part of what became kind of a corp in-joke about Ank playing with her PP (Puzzle Pirates or something lame like that. Anything she has to say about PvP is pretty much her talking out her backside, as a quick glance at her battleclinic stats will tell you she doesn't really have any, and she's got about as much integrity as a politician from Louisiana. You'd be better of voting for me as a CSM, but I don't think my platform of "Send me to Iceland so I can get drunk and chuck Bjork in the volcano to appease the Lava God" would get me very far. Who am I voting for? I'm going to get **** drunk, put the names of all the candidates (minus Ank, of course) on a dartboard, and best two out of three gets it.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.03 20:39:00 - [256] So we have a CSM wannabe which, out of the eye of the public, says that there's no reason to play EVE because you can't leave your mark on the EVE world and is not enjoying EVE and puzzle pirates are a much superior game. Interesting. On the other hand she's saying she'll represent all players (even politicians don't lie that much most of the time), and wants to meddle in PVP mechanics despite having zero clue about PVP (to the extent she's not capable of even fitting a ship semi-sensibly) or even participating when the alliance she's in is under attack. You know, if you just said "I'm a carebear candidate", well, OK, fine, I guess carebears want representation too. However, you wish to present yourself as a candidate which will represent everyone without bias (ha ha), which is political BS at its finest. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Leanansidhe	Posted - 2010.05.03 21:44:00 - [257] Originally by: Cpt Branko You know, if you just said "I'm a carebear candidate", well, OK, fine, I guess carebears want representation too. Thing is, I'm willing to be even the most skittish carebear in EVE understands that the PvP is one of the big draws of the game and that without it there wouldn't be much of a market for empire carebear produced goods. So a candidate that wants to massively hamper or even do away the Pew Pew fun times the rest of us like would be bad for carebear business. Ank's not really representing anyone but herself and her own laughably deluded idea of what EVE should be.
Ej Raspujk	Posted - 2010.05.03 22:18:00 - [258] Ankh is a geek of the worst kind. The kind of geek who's completly ignorant of what is going on but has the authistic idea of knowing everything betten than anybody else. This kind of geek doesn't know she's a geek. She even thinks she has strong social skills. She will sooner accept the reallity that everybody is wrong and she is right, than try to understand why people critizize her. Nice typical behaviours she exhibits is of god syndrom when being in some kind of leadership position in a gaming community. Running a uo shard, etc. Ankh you are a sad person. Get TF out of here and play other games. You are not helping here.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.05.04 00:33:00 - [259] I thought people were being over zealous within this thread, but then I got pointed in the direction of this thread from some time ago, and it opened my eyes to your attitude to eve and PvP. Carry on guys and gals, Ank needs stopping for sure.
Tara Wilde	Posted - 2010.05.04 04:52:00 - [260] Girl powahhh! you totaly have my vote pleae don't listen to the Trolls and work for a player pirate free High-Sec (compiuter pirates are okay tho ) Your idea about reducing player skills by 20% for any pirat actions are perfect for removing the grievers from this game. maybe just make it 1 skill randomly chosen so the trolls have nothing more to complain!

Disunia Vertas Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.04 06:19:00 - [261] Originally by: Tara Wilde Girl powahhh! you totaly have my vote pleae don't listen to the Trolls and work for a player pirate free High-Sec (compiuter pirates are okay tho ) Your idea about reducing player skills by 20% for any pirat actions are perfect for removing the grievers from this game. maybe just make it 1 skill randomly chosen so the trolls have nothing more to complain! Obvious troll is obvious.. It's become awfully quiet in here. I still don't have answers to my questions which makes me think to move my votes to someone else who's participating in these elections more actively.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 08:41:00 - [262] Originally by: Mag's I thought people were being over zealous within this thread, but then I got pointed in the direction of this thread from some time ago, and it opened my eyes to your attitude to eve and PvP. Carry on guys and gals, Ank needs stopping for sure. Seconding this. I had picked up only a vaguely negative view of Ankh due to threads like this one, but that linked thread makes everything so clear... - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
dreynar swyglou	Posted - 2010.05.04 09:38:00 - [263] Originally by: Mag's I thought people were being over zealous within this thread, but then I got pointed in the direction of this thread from some time ago, and it opened my eyes to your attitude to eve and PvP. Carry on guys and gals, Ank needs stopping for sure. This. Not 1 or 2 replies that confirm our concerns about your no-PVP EVE Online but 11 pages of your deluded idea about how the game should be changed to suit your selfish desires. You scream CONSEQUENCES in that thread I say this thread is consequence enough for you.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.04 11:01:00 - [264] Some of Ankhe's opinions: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah None of all that, instead most pod pilots are the filth of society, irrational, immoral and/or unstable infantile ****s that just want their next dose of short-term satisfaction on the expense of everyone else. Originally by:** Ankhesentapemkah Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time. Actually, is Eve a game at all? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. And some really juicy ones! Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah To me, 'watch digits on screen grow bigger' is exactly what Eve is to me. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Also, you can get more without making another player have less. Of course this method is far superior to the apparant parasiting you suggest. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters... Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't *****ing down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum. (Yes, fair representation. Even though we're parasitic scum.) All of these quotes can be found in this thread, if anyone doubts they are valid. I just thought I'd post them to save everyone else the trouble.
dreynar swyglou	Posted - 2010.05.04 11:12:00 - [265] Originally by: Space Pinata Some of Ankhe's opinions: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah None of all that, instead most pod pilots are the filth of society, irrational, immoral and/or unstable infantile ****s that just want their next dose of short-term satisfaction on the expense of everyone else. Originally by:** Ankhesentapemkah Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time. Actually, is Eve a game at all? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. And some really juicy ones! Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah To me, 'watch digits on screen grow bigger' is exactly what Eve is to me. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Also, you can get more without making another player have less. Of course this method is far superior to the apparant parasiting you suggest. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters... Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't *****ing down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum. (Yes, fair representation. Even though we're parasitic scum.) All of these quotes can be found in this thread, if anyone doubts they are valid. I just thought I'd post them to save everyone else the trouble. And she calls those misconceptions
Aria Selenis Minmatar Komrade Cactuar	Posted - 2010.05.04 11:13:00 - [266] A fun coincidence: Step 1) Type Ankhesentapemkah into the forum box. Step 2) (I use firefox) right click Ankhesentapemkah for spell checking. Result #1: Unrepresentative Result #2: Misrepresentation And just to contribute something meaningful: I refuse to vote for someone who confuses video games with reality. Killing someone in a game is like tagging someone in a game of tag. It's just a part of the game, no one actually gets hurt. Maybe I'm one of the few people who doesn't emorage when I lose a ship, but I'd like to think most people laugh at off just the same as I do.. The only people who can be 'griefed' are the ones who take the game way too seriously.
B0X Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.04 11:54:00 - [267] Originally by: Mag's I thought people were being over zealous within this thread, but then I got pointed in the direction of this thread from some time ago, and it opened my eyes to your attitude to eve and PvP. Carry on guys and gals, Ank needs stopping for sure. This.
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.05.04 12:26:00 - [268] Well, no, overzealous does cover it. Besides, this is her thread, isn't there already a different thread on this issue? Just ask your questions; if she doesn't answer to your liking, don't vote for her.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.04 13:11:00 - [269] Originally by: Gordon Fell Well, no, overzealous does cover it. Besides, this is her thread, isn't there already a different thread on this issue? Just ask your questions; if she doesn't answer to your liking, don't vote for her. Yeah, there are many places better than the thread on Ankhe to discuss Ankhe. Given the context, there are very good reasons that people need to be informed of who this candidate really is. We're here to make sure no one gets deceived into believing she's a proper candidate.
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:02:00 - [270] Consider this; most people aren't awesome forum warriors and will simply see her name and by far the longest thread in this forum; 'popular gal this Ank-something-something must be'. Just sayin'.

Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:03:00 - [271] Seeing as this is cleary not a game or type of gameplay you like. By your own admissions you seem to find this game is inhabited by slavering griefers with a room temperature IQ Might I suggest you go back to Puzzle Pirates and leave us to it ?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:19:00 - [272] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 15:19:22 Originally by: Gordon Fell Consider this; most people aren't awesome forum warriors and will simply see her name and by far the longest thread in this forum; 'popular gal this Ank-something-something must be'. Just sayin'. Anyone with any familiarity with these forums will know that long thread = bad. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:35:00 - [273] Wow - Where do I vote?
Squat Hardpeck State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.05.04 16:43:00 - [274] Edited by: Squat Hardpeck on 04/05/2010 16:48:21 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I consider shooting players immoral and thus I have no kills. You're in the wrong damn game sweetheart. I can picture it now: FW Commander - WTs entering the system, load your guns! Ankh - Alas! I must abscond! Shooting people in a virtual game with fake weapons is evil! I joined FW to stare at a 3D box in space! flees! 0_0 And for more seriousness, you claim to work for a game company who is currently producing several MMOs, yet you fail to present what you actually do there. Are you the front-desk secretary or do you get the coffee and Volt for the programmers? What is it you do exactly? I am also of the firm belief that engaging in one area of game production doesn't make you an expert in any of the other areas, which can be seen with your ideas/opinions of 0.0 and pvp warfare. Even using UO's justice system as an example is absolutely ludicrous. If you have any experience at all, you'd know that this system in its totality was ultimately removed and abolished like a year or so into the game. Implementing harsher penalties isn't the answer. As others have stated, there are plenty of those currently in place. Properly educating the player base on how to avoid being ganked, destroyed, or massacred is though. How can a player, who absolutely loathes pvp, possibly make unbiased changes in that field of play that betters the game as a whole, rather than fulfilling their own selfish interests and personal niche? Sorry, no vote. And STOP spamming my EVE mail box with your damn fliers about a "movie".
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.04 17:47:00 - [275] I endorse this candidacy and my vote will run this way. Anyone receiving this much opposition in a thread must be doing something good.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:22:00 - [276] Originally by: Galactic Enquirer[ 2009.12.27 16:21:08 Ankhesentapemkah > its the lack of impact on the world [ 2009.12.27 16:21:21 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in eve nothing matters in puzzle pirates it does, and players can leave their marks [ 2009.12.27 16:21:27 ] Ankhesentapemkah > exaclty which you dont in EVE. Talk about short sighted... People can't leave their marks? So Chribba, isn't it nice that you have left no mark in Eve and nobody knows who you are? Hey Ricdic, isn't it nice that people don't bring up your massive haul on a regular basis? Man, Goonswarm alliance was all screwed up, they're totally gone now and nobody remembers them! In Eve, everyone leaves a mark. Eve just doesn't rely on in-game mechanics to force that mark to remain. CCP leaves it up to us - the players - to recognize who is important enough, who has had a large enough impact, to deserve being remembered over the years. Those who do leave a lasting mark in Eve have done so in the minds of the players, not in a database row somewhere.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.04 19:18:00 - [277] You do not get off the hook when suicide ganking someone, they get kill rights on you, and on the one occasion it happened to me(i didnt lose anything valuable :V ) i got my own back on the ganker. Maybe this is the wrong csm you are trying to get in for, hello kitty online is always open to you. CCP's own words are that they mean it be a harsh, dark place, where you are supposed to feel slightly angry when you log in, and are never truelly safe. CCP want it to be a dangerous game, and a lot of other people do to, you will not change anything. _______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =(
Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.04 22:49:00 - [278] That quotepage needs its own thread tbh...
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.05.04 23:14:00 - [279] Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 04/05/2010 23:14:58 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining. It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill. I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted? Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game. They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! Source Thread You know, I might respect Ankh's opinion if she actually spent any time as a -5, red, flashy dude who was shut out of empire high sec and forced to live in low and null sec. That isn't the case, however. I think Ankh is mentally unsound if playing a game makes someone "antisocial". Either that or she is a very dedicated role playing type. In either case I don't want her on the CSM. For the record, I have a carebear and I have an ebil red flashy pirate, I know and enjoy both sides of the game.
Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.04 23:26:00 - [280] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Thank you for the nice list of misconceptions so I can answer them once and for all. Originally by: dreynar swyglou -PVE based game with people losing 20% of their skills or their entire character for engaging in PVP. False as proven 3 times already. LIES Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! == Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU want EVE-O to be your nice little single-player game where your can kill rats to your heart desire and pimp your ships endlessly . False, as seen by me focussing on FW and 0.0 issues. MORE LIES Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. == Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU consider PVPers immoral people, evil people for 'hurting' others through non-consensual PVP. Depends on the exact type of PVPer we're talking about. anyone who hurts someone? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. == Originally by: dreynar swyglou -YOU cannot make clear,solid distinctions between this game and real life. False. MOAR LIES Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused. Your own quotes undo you.

Heath Ledger ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.04 23:39:00 - [281] Read your thread. You are a ****** who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Cheers.
Heath Ledger ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.04 23:40:00 - [282] Sweet moves friend
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.04 23:43:00 - [283] Originally by: Tara Wilde Girl powahhh! you totaly have my vote pleae don't listen to the Trolls and work for a player pirate free High-Sec (compiuter pirates are okay tho ) Your idea about reducing player skills by 20% for any pirat actions are perfect for removing the grievers from this game. maybe just make it 1 skill randomly chosen so the trolls have nothing more to complain! Ankh you really are an idiot. Please, please just go away and be an idiot somewhere else. Like pirate puzzle.
Jan Forjeu	Posted - 2010.05.05 00:07:00 - [284] You look like your feet smell real bad.
zenthral staichon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.05 00:14:00 - [285] She'll most likely get in anyway despite being called out on just about everything. It's hilarious to once again watch her melt down in a CSM thread though. Keep it up! I, too, believe PLAYER KILLERS are immoral.
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.05 00:51:00 - [286] Akdfhgfhsrfgdfsmkeh you should forget the CSM and put in an app. down at Fox News.
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.05 00:54:00 - [287] people like this make me and others really think twice about the CSM and its validity..
Teva Tredwell	Posted - 2010.05.05 03:27:00 - [288] Miss Ankhesentapemkah your detractors have quoted you as saying "in EVE you're all irrelevant" and that players have "no lasting effect on the game at all". How would you work to change this, and what does relevance and last effects mean to you?
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.05.05 03:38:00 - [289] Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Akdfhgfhsrfgdfsmkeh you should forget the CSM and put in an app. down at Fox News. I see Ankj more as one of the hippies on PMSNBC or perhaps NPR, where we should all hold hands and understand eachother and give hugs.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.05 05:08:00 - [290] Originally by: Squat Hardpeck And for more seriousness, you claim to work for a game company who is currently producing several MMOs, yet you fail to present what you actually do there. Are you the front-desk secretary or do you get the coffee and Volt for the programmers? What is it you do exactly? I am also of the firm belief that engaging in one area of game production doesn't make you an expert in any of the other areas, which can be seen with your ideas/opinions of 0.0 and pvp warfare. I've answered this before but it got lost somewhere in the sewage in this thread. I'm game designer, and my specialities are economics and balancing. Right now I'm designing a competition system, programming a piece of software that automatically generates droptables, and writing the design doc for two of our upcoming MMOs. --- Now running for CSM5. Campaign focus available here

Kingwood Amarr V.I.P Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 07:20:00 - [291] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm game designer, and my specialities are economics and balancing. Right now I'm designing a competition system, programming a piece of software that automatically generates droptables, and writing the design doc for two of our upcoming MMOs. Please let me know about those upcoming MMOs. Should be a huge success with you designing them.
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2010.05.05 07:52:00 - [292] I promised myself I wouldn't comment in this thread. But as I watch this train wreck unfold I fear Ank might be elected and honestly, I don't think she will "play well with others" in CSM 5 if that happens. I've heard comments from CSM candidates I am confident will be elected that drive me to make these observations. If you are thinking of voting for this person let me make my case for giving someone else your vote instead. 1. if you are voting for women, I am one of the handful of women running. So please if you just want to vote based on gender consider me, Mazzilu or Greymouse. We all share that attribute with Ank and do it without the drama. Ok, Mazz does bring some drama, but a lot of folks would say the good kind of drama! ;-) The next CSM definitely can work more effectively with the other women running. 2. Games or software engineering experience. Several of the CSM candidates are more qualified. For example I was one of the co-inventors of the programmable 3D pipeline introduced in Direct X 8. I was also part of the small team that got BillG to approve development of the X-Box. I have 30 plus years as a software engineer of which 5 were directly in the PC gaming industry and have had formal training and certification as a scrum master. I've managed large development teams in all capacities up to the director level. I currently work developing requirements specifications and driving product teams in the mobile device industry. Look into some of the other CSM candidates. There are definitely some folks running with real world software industry experience. 3. Carebear. I am a committed carebear. Ask anyone in my corporation or alliance. I want to point out I do that while still respecting folks that like the "shooting folks in ths face" part of Eve. The individual that tried to assassinate me in the Alliance PvP tourny a couple of years back ran against me in the CSM 3 elections and said if you wanted someone that had provided "years of care bear bliss" to her alliance then folks should vote for me. Again, there are some other great care bear candidates in this election. 4. I'm not running to get a job at CCP. Honestly, I think that is Ank's goal. I think the rest of the CSM candidates are doing this to make Eve better and not for their careers. So in summary, please consider other candidates. I started out respecting Ank when I first encountered her but over the last couple of years I worry that she is too immature, random and closed minded to be effective in the CSM. I also wonder why she would run for a governing position in a game that her conversations seem to show she has such contempt for. So, please think long and hard before supporting Ank. I think there are a number of folks that would do better by you if you elected them instead. I encourage other candidates with similar views of Eve as those that Ank is running on to offer themselves as an alternative in this thread. Issler Dainze Female Carebear Someone who likes Eve Owner of a car that eats Mini's for snacks Also now with a campaign video Issler Dainze Campaign Advisor Video Professional software engineer with REAL games industry experience! One of a bunch of better CSM candidates Pushing "post reply" with much reluctance
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.05 08:38:00 - [293] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I've answered this before but it got lost somewhere in the sewage in this thread. In which we find that Ankh finds alternative views to her own as "sewage". Once again would you care to comment on what experience with pvp (aside from getting ganked flying ****-fits), nullsec (possibly aside from random ratting), sov issues, and fleet battles you actually have? Also...I'm pretty sure you shot yourself in the ass with regard to job prospects at CCP with your rather hatin' comments regarding EvE . Lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt!
Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.05 11:26:00 - [294] I see you manage to totally ignore all the quotes from yourself.. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even attempt to refute -your own quotes- ?
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.05 11:36:00 - [295] A question: If you don't like the game and show only contempt for it (as is evident from your statements), what is your personal interest in playing internet politician? Personal gain or trying to change it into something completely different which you could enjoy (puzzle pirates in space?) are two logical choices which spring to mind. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
debbie harrio	Posted - 2010.05.05 12:59:00 - [296] Well after all this Ankwhatever bashing I decided to read the take care manifesto and am personally going to actively campaign wherever I am against these bunch of hisec dwelling idiots. For one they want to nerf alliance/personal 0.0 income and try and make 0.0 into a NRDS Kumbeya s*hole. Quote: I would like to ensure that the game mechanics encourage, and provide targets for, small gang warfare. I am against moon minerals being a huge income source for Alliances, I would like to shift this to the taxation of players which are actively using the Alliance's space. More players should be able to exploit the resources of a 0.0 system than is currently the case, and 0.0 income should be competetive with high-sec level 4 missions. Alongside making Hisec safer for those mission running twerps you can see through their agenda. on hisec wardeccing Quote:** The Wardec system has been brought up by the CSM since its very beginning. CCP even called it a "Pay-to-Grief" mechanic during these meetings. Unfortunately, it is not possible for a system to determine if a wardec is intended for griefing, or if it serves a legitimate purpose. Any changes to the system should not penalize these legitimate uses. However, wardecs should not be indefinite by default, and should not be as unilateral as they currently are. Unless the war is mutual, there should be win and loss conditions upon which the war ends. In addition, the wardec fees may require some rebalancing. carebear land anyone?
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.05 13:02:00 - [297] Is it just me or have we made Anakakdsakdaskdkasdf go emo and missing in action? she hasnt responded in a day or two lol
IHaveNoFace	Posted - 2010.05.05 13:22:00 - [298] Edited by: IHaveNoFace on 05/05/2010 13:23:03 Know who you are voting for and now consider whether you want EVE to grow into the kind of game these views would foster. Quote: can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! Quote: People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are (redacted lest she offend people and this post gets GM raged) Quote: None of all that, instead most pod pilots are the filth of society, irrational, immoral and/or unstable infantile ****s that just want their next dose of short-term satisfaction on the expense of everyone else. Quote: Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Quote: That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time. Actually, is Eve a game at all? I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. Quote: I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. Quote: To me, 'watch digits on screen grow bigger' is exactly what Eve is to me. Also, you can get more without making another player have less. Of course this method is far superior to the apparant parasiting you suggest. Quote: Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters... Quote: If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds (redacted, too offensive). Quote: The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't ***ing down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum.
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.05 13:34:00 - [299] Erik Finnegan. He was part of take care, but unlike Ankh brought valid criticisms and concerns of the carebear community to the CSM to counterbalance the playstlyes of other members and those they represented. Free Erik and free us from this vitriol spewing egomaniac with an axe to grind. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 15:39:00 - [300] Ankh - whats your views on returning to days gone by where participation by CCP volunteers/employees in the game occurred? IE where Sarparti Serpentis actually was flying around in that stolen ship through tribute piloted by a person, or when those Dread Guristas Dreads attacked those POS's in the North etc These events were a nice distraction and im sure events like these would be welcomed back

michael weels Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.05 15:58:00 - [301] Originally by: NereSky Dread Guristas Dreads attacked those POS's in the North etc Really? I've no recollection of this, I'd love some screenshots though if there is any?
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:03:00 - [302] Originally by: michael weels Originally by: NereSky Dread Guristas Dreads attacked those POS's in the North etc Really? I've no recollection of this, I'd love some screenshots though if there is any? hers the thread about it http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=313100
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2010.05.05 18:25:00 - [303] One question for you, why do you hate EVE so much Ankh that you apply again? You really wanna destroy this game that much? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.05.05 19:08:00 - [304] Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/05/2010 19:09:27 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 21/04/2010 13:58:07 Q: You just want to get a job with CCP and use the CSM as a stepping-stone! A: I am very happy with my current job and do not seek a position with CCP at this time. Thanks for the shiny medals and nice addition to my CV, though. At... This... Time IE in the future. So a stepping stone would be kind of useful for a future event - Its kind of inherent in the terminology. SKUNK (o)
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.05 19:16:00 - [305] Originally by: NereSky Ankh - whats your views on returning to days gone by where participation by CCP volunteers/employees in the game occurred? IE where Sarparti Serpentis actually was flying around in that stolen ship through tribute piloted by a person, or when those Dread Guristas Dreads attacked those POS's in the North etc These events were a nice distraction and im sure events like these would be welcomed back Absolutely. Jade Constantine raised this issue but since this issue was passed on to CSM2, and Jade handed it to me, that's why we're both on the document. From minutes: No live events team exists. Ankh analyzed other MMO live events and mentioned a few examples: UO moved in the direction of how over time companies changed having developers in game to having volunteers run events which moved on to the volunteers demanding compensation and the live events being disbanded. Guildwars went the route of having automated events. Ankh went on to say that a similar system could be added to Apocrypha considering the new content coming in. Types of events that could be introduced: Story Driven û outcome can affect the EVE storyline or small storylines that can be played in game Competition Events û PVP Tournaments, treasure hunts, puzzle solving Automated Events û temp agents appearing, convoys, Luminaire Titan type of thing CCP has thought about having devs to play characters in game events, unfortunately CCP devs really don't have the spare time for that û they're developing. The other risk was to imbalance the game running events in specific areas. Pattern raised the point that they are EVENTS, they happen rarely to help introduce storylines. CCP responded that they do something like that through the RP storylines on the website, it's not the same, but doing it with dev's running characters, it takes away from development time. Issler pointed out that corps run their own events, and if there was more CCP support to promote those events it would be great. CCP thinks that giving tools to players to create their own events are better. Pattern pointed out that people have different play styles û some enjoy the guided rollercoaster, others like to create their own things. Tusko brought up the old live events were done both large and small, and a lot of people enjoyed them as they added spice to the game. CCP agreed, but that stuff required an insane amount of manpower to organize that they can no longer assign manpower to. CCP has on the drawing board to link news to market events û i.e. planet runs out of wheat, wheat orders in stations near that planet start getting generated. Requests like this one go into a priority list for CCP, by adding this as a higher priority, something else would have to fall down. Bunyip suggest a way for players to let CCP know about player events so that they can get advertising. Pattern pointed out a lack of history to EVE. By having live events and people involved it can allow for viral style marketing. CCP agrees, but pointed out there are drawbacks with doing that and would require a reshuffling of priorities to allow them. Artists/programmers would have to be tasked to events. Issler would like for CCP to encourage the storyline in EVE. It's a great backstory, it needs to be broadcast. Darius thinks that by adding more storyline would impact on the ability for players to create their own stories. TL;DR CSM and CCP agree that more events would be great but it is a question of priority as well as trying to allow the sandbox experience of EVE to be effected by storylines as well as allowing players to affect the storylines. More 'monuments' will happen, live events are much harder to do, but they want to do it. There is no timeframe for implementation of this, but it has been added to the list.
Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.05 20:02:00 - [306] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah stuff that isn't refuting -her own quotes- that disagree with what she says now I say again: I see you manage to totally ignore all the quotes from yourself.. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even attempt to refute -your own quotes- ? Not only do your own quotes make a liar out of you - you then simply ignore any posts that call attention to them.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.05 20:29:00 - [307] Originally by: Ej Raspujk Ankh is a geek Great, I love geek girls! \o/
Ej Raspujk	Posted - 2010.05.05 20:42:00 - [308] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Ej Raspujk Ankh is a geek Great, I love geek girls! \o/ They serve a purpose I give you that.
Zenst Aliastra	Posted - 2010.05.05 20:44:00 - [309] Originally by: Dakisha Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah stuff that isn't refuting -her own quotes- that disagree with what she says now I say again: I see you manage to totally ignore all the quotes from yourself.. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even attempt to refute -your own quotes- ? Not only do your own quotes make a liar out of you - you then simply ignore any posts that call attention to them. Indeed - you and other have made my choice in vote alot easier. I voted for mazzilliu
Halt Fitzwit	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:37:00 - [310] Originally by: IHaveNoFace Edited by: IHaveNoFace on 05/05/2010 13:23:03 Know who you are voting for and now consider whether you want EVE to grow into the kind of game these views would foster. and EVE is going to explode....some people take this CSM too serious for their own good...CCP will do what CCP does, no matter what CSM says...At the end of the day CCP will make business decisions, not decisions based on a group of people who represent less than 15% of total subscriber population...You EVE fanatics are just too funny to hear and read...don't forget to have fun its just a flipping game

NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:45:00 - [311] Edited by: NereSky on 05/05/2010 21:58:05 I still think this issue should be still pushed rather than take a back seat, i cannot see what time a short event would take from the Dev's and TBH with the faction wars ongoing there is more than enough oppotunity for events to take place without interfering in player owned space or politics, CCP just stating they havent the time is a 'get out of jail free card' RP written storyline only interests a percentage, real live events taking place will interest quite a few more imo Oh btw thanks for answering
Corsair Blade	Posted - 2010.05.05 22:28:00 - [312] Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 22:28:51 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm.
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.06 03:00:00 - [313] Originally by: Galactic Enquirer [ 2009.12.27 17:59:26 ] Ankhesentapemkah > I mean lets take dwarf fortress. [ 2009.12.27 17:59:30 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Pinacle of game design [ 2009.12.27 17:59:35 ] Ankhesentapemkah > no visuals. This is officially the first thing Ankhehiwefijhwiefiwe has said that I agree with. CCP could learn a lot from Dwarf Fortress when it comes to PI, IMO. It's an awesome game and possibly has a steeper learning curve than EVE.
leboe Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.05.06 04:09:00 - [314] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Originally by: Galactic Enquirer[ 2009.12.27 16:21:08 Ankhesentapemkah > its the lack of impact on the world [ 2009.12.27 16:21:21 ] Ankhesentapemkah > in eve nothing matters in puzzle pirates it does, and players can leave their marks [ 2009.12.27 16:21:27 ] Ankhesentapemkah > exaclty which you dont in EVE. Talk about short sighted... People can't leave their marks? So Chribba, isn't it nice that you have left no mark in Eve and nobody knows who you are? Hey Ricdic, isn't it nice that people don't bring up your massive haul on a regular basis? Man, Goonswarm alliance was all screwed up, they're totally gone now and nobody remembers them! In Eve, everyone leaves a mark. Eve just doesn't rely on in-game mechanics to force that mark to remain. CCP leaves it up to us - the players - to recognize who is important enough, who has had a large enough impact, to deserve being remembered over the years. Those who do leave a lasting mark in Eve have done so in the minds of the players, not in a database row somewhere. Adam who?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.06 08:35:00 - [315] Originally by: NereSky Edited by: NereSky on 05/05/2010 21:58:05 I still think this issue should be still pushed rather than take a back seat, i cannot see what time a short event would take from the Dev's and TBH with the faction wars ongoing there is more than enough oppotunity for events to take place without interfering in player owned space or politics, CCP just stating they havent the time is a 'get out of jail free card' RP written storyline only interests a percentage, real live events taking place will interest quite a few more imo Oh btw thanks for answering CCP always say they don't have time, or that it is 'put in the backlog'. Perhaps they should work less on rushed expansions. The expansion model they use, will not work in the long term. Yes, they will likely attract or retain a lot of players because of the shiny trailers, but CCP is damaging their reputation every time players become disappointed by the actual expansion content. EVE has a rich backstory and there is plenty that can be done with it. Sure, the two events that happened in FW were somewhat interesting, even though the FW fundementals are broken. Players want to leave their mark on the game, that's the purpose of a sandbox after all, and it would be logical that the capsuleers will determine the outcome of events. That's why I am sad that CCP makes static epic mission arcs. Pre-scripted 'quest' stuff can never compare to actual live events. Instead of builing that engine to create epic arcs, they should've created tools to facilitate live events. NPCs should also be a lot more dynamic, and occasionally should stir up trouble for the players to deal with. Succeed and the threat is averted, fail and something gets overrun. It's not like this is something impossible, Guild Wars 2 will rely heavily on this, and they're starting to introduce this system to Guild Wars 1 as well, as the outcome of GW1 live events will determine the backstory of GW2. For those that think this is too much PVE, yes it relies on PVE, but in EVE these events can be set up to be very competetive, especially in a pirate faction or FW setting.
da reavaH Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 09:14:00 - [316] I would say your campaign is going rather well. Keep running for CSM, the ammount of lulz I had from this thread was awesome ... especially those logs
Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.06 10:20:00 - [317] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah stuff that isn't refuting -her own quotes- that disagree with what she says now I say YET AGAIN: I see you manage to totally ignore all the quotes from yourself.. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even attempt to refute -your own quotes- ? Not only do your own quotes make a liar out of you - you then simply ignore any posts that call attention to them. Srsly. Quotes from you that directly contradict what you've been trying to say during this thread and you won't even acknowledge them. Gotta love those blinkers. p.s; yes - I plan to paste this after EVERY SINGLE REPLY YOU MAKE until you address them, as to inform the people what kind of two-faced individual we're dealing with.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:01:00 - [318] Originally by: da reavaH I would say your campaign is going rather well. Yes, yes it is indeed.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:04:00 - [319] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: da reavaH I would say your campaign is going rather well. Yes, yes it is indeed. I second that. You've almost surpased 10k reads which is great marketing regardless of what the content is :) -T'amber POLITICS:SIMULATORÖ
t1mmeh Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:07:00 - [320] Originally by: Dakisha Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah stuff that isn't refuting -her own quotes- that disagree with what she says now I say YET AGAIN: I see you manage to totally ignore all the quotes from yourself.. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even attempt to refute -your own quotes- ? Not only do your own quotes make a liar out of you - you then simply ignore any posts that call attention to them. Srsly. Quotes from you that directly contradict what you've been trying to say during this thread and you won't even acknowledge them. Gotta love those blinkers. p.s; yes - I plan to paste this after EVERY SINGLE REPLY YOU MAKE until you address them, as to inform the people what kind of two-faced individual we're dealing with. Forget it mate - she says she won't reply to 'trolls'. A troll being someone who would like to debate her issues and/or doesn't 100% agree with her 'vision' of how EvE should be. i.e. Hello Kitty in space or something similar.

NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:14:00 - [321] Well regardless what the trolls say, ive read every single link provided and absorbed as much as i can, ive only ever voted once for Vuk and since then nver voted or gave any interest to the CSM, however after reading Annk's manifesto - ive given her my 2 votes as she seems to be someone i would like to represent myself with my varied and wide experiences of the game. Ankh 2 votes winging your way
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:00:00 - [322] Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. lmao Lying on your CV is bad ok?
Iravati	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:41:00 - [323] Originally by: Dirk Mortice Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. And is it really worth mentioning "Goldsmithy" as a listed skill? Just in case anyone wants to really pimp out their PC....? lmao Lying on your CV is bad ok?
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.06 14:10:00 - [324] Edited by: Space Pinata on 06/05/2010 14:11:01 If you'll notice, Ankhe won't even deny those quotes. Even a simple "I have changed my mind since then and they no longer represent my opinion" would be a start... But, as we've proven, Ankh is still a bitter carebear with an agenda to stop the 'parasites' from ruining puzzle pirates in space. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bitter carebears who will see this as a chance to lash out through voting.
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.06 14:20:00 - [325] I actaully admire someone who has the backbone to let trolls spam their crap and just plain ignore them instead of going into a flame war. I tip my hat for Eva Jobse that she can actually manage to just stay constructive in the replies towards the real questions and completely ignore the ****s. This is far better than I could have done. The thing I also like is that she looks at the whole game and not just at the narrow vieuw of the PvP crowd. They all call EVE mainlt PvP focussed. Well in some way they are right, but market PvP is a lot more work that a gatecamp. Trade is way bigger than PvP since as soon as someone sells or buys they actually partake in trading. And to be fair, not 100% does the pew pew thingy, but 100% does to the trade thingy in one way or another.
Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:05:00 - [326] This thread confirms beyond doubt that people who drive New Minis are bat**** crazy.
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:09:00 - [327] Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. I knew there was something off about this toad, ever since I watched her engrish whining about FW in the fanfeast video's ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:57:00 - [328] Edited by: Dirk Mortice on 06/05/2010 16:00:10 Originally by: Killer Gandry I actaully admire someone who has the backbone to let trolls spam their crap and just plain ignore them instead of going into a flame war. I tip my hat for Eva Jobse that she can actually manage to just stay constructive in the replies towards the real questions and completely ignore the ****s. This is far better than I could have done. The thing I also like is that she looks at the whole game and not just at the narrow vieuw of the PvP crowd. They all call EVE mainlt PvP focussed. Well in some way they are right, but market PvP is a lot more work that a gatecamp. Trade is way bigger than PvP since as soon as someone sells or buys they actually partake in trading. And to be fair, not 100% does the pew pew thingy, but 100% does to the trade thingy in one way or another. yeah, only we're not trolling. We're making serious points and she continues to ignore them or cry troll the moment she sees a comment that isn't in agreement with her. She backpeddles and has contradicted herself multiple times and has stated she doesn't even enjoy the game. Edit - Watch as she either completely ignores this post or calls me a troll
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2010.05.06 16:02:00 - [329] You guys do realize that with all your whining and ****ing and moaning about Ank's positions/statements/stuff, that you've pretty much whipped up any idiot that has ever been scammed, ganked or suicided into voting for her? I'm predicting that Ank makes it onto the CSM again - and that the trolls in this thread, instead of hurting her chances, are actually helping her... If you really wanted her out - you should have just ignored her - now she's a celebrity* carebear... ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.06 16:43:00 - [330] Originally by: Dirk Mortice yeah, only we're not trolling. We're making serious points and she continues to ignore them or cry troll the moment she sees a comment that isn't in agreement with her. She backpeddles and has contradicted herself multiple times and has stated she doesn't even enjoy the game. Uh huh, no trolling here, none whatsoever, I've never seen a less trolled thread in all my days of EVE. It's an outrage ppl are being demonised here!

D melanogaster Minmatar The Fruit Flys	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:44:00 - [331] Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. lol.. under specific skills she has: "broad general knowledge and structured and logical thought
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.06 18:09:00 - [332] Originally by: Daemonspirit You guys do realize that with all your whining and ****ing and moaning about Ank's positions/statements/stuff, that you've pretty much whipped up any idiot that has ever been scammed, ganked or suicided into voting for her? I'm predicting that Ank makes it onto the CSM again - and that the trolls in this thread, instead of hurting her chances, are actually helping her... If you really wanted her out - you should have just ignored her - now she's a celebrity* carebear... Yeah, but she was before too. Realistically, there's no way we were ever going to keep her off the CSM. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Dirk Mortice yeah, only we're not trolling. We're making serious points and she continues to ignore them or cry troll the moment she sees a comment that isn't in agreement with her. She backpeddles and has contradicted herself multiple times and has stated she doesn't even enjoy the game. Uh huh, no trolling here, none whatsoever, I've never seen a less trolled thread in all my days of EVE. It's an outrage ppl are being demonised here! Yeah, there's been some trolling in this thread, it'd be hard to deny that. But there's a lot less than Ankh claims. Asking a serious question in a mean way isn't trolling, it's just being slightly jerkish. But tossing up softballs is not the job of a critic. This thread could stand to be more polite, but the questions and concerns being raised are legitimate.
Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.06 18:26:00 - [333] Originally by: Killer Gandry I actaully admire someone who has the backbone to let trolls spam their crap and just plain ignore them instead of going into a flame war. Yeah, because asking someone to explain why they say one thing and yet their quotes show them saying something totally different is really trolling.. All I've seen so far is a candidate that ignores questions she doesn't like and pretends her old quotes don't exist when they come back to bite. That and people supporting this behaviour.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.06 20:09:00 - [334] Originally by: NereSky Well regardless what the trolls say, ive read every single link provided and absorbed as much as i can, ive only ever voted once for Vuk and since then nver voted or gave any interest to the CSM, however after reading Annk's manifesto - ive given her my 2 votes as she seems to be someone i would like to represent myself with my varied and wide experiences of the game. Ankh 2 votes winging your way Originally by: Killer Gandry I actaully admire someone who has the backbone to let trolls spam their crap and just plain ignore them instead of going into a flame war. I tip my hat for Eva Jobse that she can actually manage to just stay constructive in the replies towards the real questions and completely ignore the ****s. This is far better than I could have done. The thing I also like is that she looks at the whole game and not just at the narrow vieuw of the PvP crowd. They all call EVE mainlt PvP focussed. Well in some way they are right, but market PvP is a lot more work that a gatecamp. Trade is way bigger than PvP since as soon as someone sells or buys they actually partake in trading. And to be fair, not 100% does the pew pew thingy, but 100% does to the trade thingy in one way or another. Thanks a lot for voicing your support! Let me know if there's anything I can do after the elections, and stay in touch!
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.06 20:09:00 - [335] You cannot say "I don't like raising the term limit" and then immediately "But I'm going to take advantage of it to run again." Apparently, fighting in a video game is immoral, but being an unashamed liar is not immoral. Ankhe contradicts herself in the same sentence, ignores and refuses to confirm/deny her previous statements, and has simply stopped replying with anything except "You're all mean trolls". ---- Even if you agree with her politics, how can you put your faith in a CSM candidate who will simply cower in the corner and call the other representatives trolls if they don't agree with her? She's proven herself completely incapable of handling herself in a rational debate or justifying her statements. She refuses to respond or disprove her detractors. If you have ever done any kind of PVP ever, it's obvious why voting for her would be a terrible idea. If you have NOT done any kind of PVP ever, it would still be a wasted vote better spent on someone with the backbone to stand up for their own ideas, rather than hiding and covering her eyes at the first sight of opposition. Even if you're the most bleeding heart carebear, your vote is deserved by someone with the guts to actually push their ideas.
TigerWoman Amarr The Circle Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:06:00 - [336] first off i did not share ankh's views and did not vote for her, but the amount of trolling and ****storming done in this very thread are kinda disturbing, while some guys tried to stay mature and ask questions some others are running a "omg-carebear" campaign and just try to make her look miserable whenever they can. csm is playing democracy online, and what is done here is just yellow press quality threadnaughting, when you do not like ank do not vote her. this thread is so full of mudslinging that it gives the intention that if you would not go here and sling mud ank might get elected, but instead of actually preventing that election by supporting your candidate you have created an propaganda campaign visuall for any carebear all time, and have done so in most of the time rly not appropiate ways. if all this would have been a pr stunt it would be just brilliant. congratulations you have just boosted the votes of your least favourite csm candidate.
CanIHave YourStuff	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:32:00 - [337]
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:52:00 - [338] Quote: this thread is so full of mudslinging that it gives the intention that if you would not go here and sling mud ank might get elected, but instead of actually preventing that election by supporting your candidate you have created an propaganda campaign visuall for any carebear all time, and have done so in most of the time rly not appropiate ways. Confirming direct quotes are mud slinging.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:53:00 - [339] Vote Ankh for cleaner forums!
Chack'Nul GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:59:00 - [340] Edited by: Chack''Nul on 06/05/2010 21:59:30 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah clearly stolen image Vote Ankh for cleaner forums! That was a low blow. Also sniped.

Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:01:00 - [341] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah :image: Vote Ankh for cleaner forums! Wow...just wow. --- Vote me for CSM. Low-sec? I got that. Delayed local? You know I got that. Industry love? Oh baby I'm gonna blow. Feel fr
Asruv'ynn	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:08:00 - [342] Ankh, I'm having difficulties accessing your current campaign video. Good luck, regardless!
steejans nix Amarr 0beron Construct Rat Pack Renegades	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:35:00 - [343] Thing is she is on the carebear bandwaggon yet has no to little clue about the industrial side. No pvp knowledge yet spouting crap on how she will "sort out " low and null sec. She is going to fix FW yet all she did was to exploit the bugs and use stabbed frigs with cloaks. She " learned a great deal about life and war in 0.0 " yet was not in the CVA defense fleets or got involved in the running of the corp. She very happy to jump on anything that sounds good and will be popular but there are balance issues that effect wider aspects of Eve and she is clueless, generally speaking these pvp'ers and pirates she hates so much have better all round knowledge of Eve as they all have carebear alt's or mains !!
Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:37:00 - [344] ** it. Why should the rest of us stand by and wait for CSM members to embarrass themselves and make a joke out of it when we can do it too. Voting for Ankhesentapemkah for the lulz factor. Her being on the CSM will be a non-stop troll to the rest of them. You movie was utter ** tbh. You talk thru your teeth which is really annoying too. All the same, the amount of tears you are generating is too good to pass up.
Sini Polkush	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:45:00 - [345] voting ankh just to see the drama unfold :) This idiot has a year of hell ahead of her.. but i kinda lost interest to care because she has a thing of putting the point through that my own amusement > then her mental household.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.06 23:14:00 - [346] Originally by: Marlona Sky ** it. Why should the rest of us stand by and wait for CSM members to embarrass themselves and make a joke out of it when we can do it too. Voting for Ankhesentapemkah for the lulz factor. Her being on the CSM will be a non-stop troll to the rest of them. You movie was utter ** tbh. You talk thru your teeth which is really annoying too. All the same, the amount of tears you are generating is too good to pass up. I'm inclined to agree. The CSM will need a good secretary to do all the woman's work anyway. I've already voted so you won't be seeing any from me though...
Seleene Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.07 05:00:00 - [347] Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 05:00:40 Okay, seriously... you state under your EMPLOYMENT HISTORY in your CV: Quote: 2008-2009 CCP Games Hf., Reykjavik Council of Stellar Management Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, Documentation, Wiki-implementation This isn't a troll against your CSM campaign and there's no spin here. Unless you've collected a paycheck from CCP or you're going to argue that CSM = Employment, you've not been 'employed' by them in any way. ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx
Trader Jen	Posted - 2010.05.07 05:15:00 - [348] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 05:00:40 Okay, seriously... you state under your EMPLOYMENT HISTORY in your CV: Quote: 2008-2009 CCP Games Hf., Reykjavik Council of Stellar Management Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, Documentation, Wiki-implementation This isn't a troll against your CSM campaign and there's no spin here. Unless you've collected a paycheck from CCP or you're going to argue that CSM = Employment, you've not been 'employed' by them in any way. wow that's pretty good...although, technically, the free trip to Iceland could be marked down as "payment" +1 to you Seleene
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 05:50:00 - [349] Im suprised at you Seleene, thought u had better things to do if im honest Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). So Technically in essence someone can be employed without renumeration or written contract. Personally i wouldnt call it employment but thats my own definition i dont believe there was any intention to decieve. But i suppose when you get involved in politics even in a game more people want to stab you in the back bring you down and basically treat people like dirt but hey thats Eve online
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.07 06:03:00 - [350] Originally by: NereSky Im suprised at you Seleene, thought u had better things to do if im honest Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). So Technically in essence someone can be employed without renumeration or written contract. So if i am at a dinner, with, say, the president and he asks me to pass the salt, this means i can say on my resume that I served under the President of the United States. Awesome. MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010 CHECK OUT MY CAMPAIGN VIDEO

NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 06:13:00 - [351] Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: NereSky Im suprised at you Seleene, thought u had better things to do if im honest Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). So Technically in essence someone can be employed without renumeration or written contract. So if i am at a dinner, with, say, the president and he asks me to pass the salt, this means i can say on my resume that I served under the President of the United States. Awesome. Lol im not suprised at that response by you. I believe it means that if you are given a job to do with direction and clear goals (ie the CSM) under the service of another (ie CCP & Eve online players) contract being verbal or written (i believe you guys sign some paperwork/disclaimer). CCP directs and controls the CSM to a extent as they get you to Iceland i would say also provide accom and food etc. In the UK immigration can arrest a immigrant in work where their passport says they cant, if they argue hey im not getting paid, the counter arguement is , well u receive food/accom thats payment ur gone byebye. - Passing salt to the president is a grosse example of misunderstanding and over simplfacation of what im trying to say and underlines to me what i hate about politics and the CSM, but this year ive decided to give it a chance and see what good may come from it.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.07 06:15:00 - [352] Originally by: NereSky Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: NereSky Im suprised at you Seleene, thought u had better things to do if im honest Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). So Technically in essence someone can be employed without renumeration or written contract. So if i am at a dinner, with, say, the president and he asks me to pass the salt, this means i can say on my resume that I served under the President of the United States. Awesome. Lol im not suprised at that response by you. I believe it means that if you are given a job to do with direction and clear goals (ie the CSM) under the service of another (ie CCP & Eve online players) contract being verbal or written (i believe you guys sign some paperwork/disclaimer). CCP directs and controls the CSM to a extent as they get you to Iceland i would say also provide accom and food etc. In the UK immigration can arrest a immigrant in work where their passport says they cant, if they argue hey im not getting paid, the counter arguement is , well u receive food/accom thats payment ur gone byebye. - Passing salt to the president is a grosse example of misunderstanding and over simplfacation of what im trying to say and underlines to me what i hate about politics and the CSM, but this year ive decided to give it a chance and see what good may come from it. So I could seriously put the CSM on my resume and an employer would take me seriously about it? hmm... MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010 CHECK OUT MY CAMPAIGN VIDEO
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2010.05.07 06:29:00 - [353] Ankh you didn't answer to my question so why would I bother even look at your video (ps: You sound more ****ed than ever) "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"**
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.05.07 09:14:00 - [354] Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 07/05/2010 09:14:31 actually all CSM members sign an agreement that explicitly states that being on the CSM does not imply having a job with CCP and that it does not imply that you will be hired in the future. While being on the CSM is definitely something you could put on your resume, you can't list it as 'Work experience' or phrase it in such a way that it seems CCP was your employer, as that is simply not true. In fact, employees of CCP are not allowed to be on the CSM: it is a player council, not a dev council. CSM members are not employees by definition. Director of Education :: EVE University CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.07 09:56:00 - [355] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah http://evajobse.net/voteankhbear2.jpg Image changed into URL.Applebabe Vote Ankh for cleaner forums! O...M...F...G I'm actually going to vote for this tard as I agree with the others here who are enjoying the lulz. The delusional and contradictory ramblings that spew forth from this individual and the responses provoked, provide endless entertainment. Besides; CCP are hardly going to ruin the unique experience that is EvE due to one personÆs uninformed opinions... are they?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.07 10:49:00 - [356] Originally by: Face Palmer enjoying the lulz. endless entertainment. Absolutely, here at work we had a nice laugh about the CV nonsense a few minutes ago.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.07 11:00:00 - [357] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Face Palmer enjoying the lulz. endless entertainment. Absolutely, here at work we had a nice laugh about the CV nonsense a few minutes ago. Well, if you can't laugh at yourself - who can you laugh at eh?
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.07 11:10:00 - [358] Ignorance is bliss.
Nikolai Vheranimen Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.07 11:16:00 - [359] Originally by: NereSky Im suprised at you Seleene, thought u had better things to do if im honest Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). So Technically in essence someone can be employed without renumeration or written contract. Personally i wouldnt call it employment but thats my own definition i dont believe there was any intention to decieve. But i suppose when you get involved in politics even in a game more people want to stab you in the back bring you down and basically treat people like dirt but hey thats Eve online I can guarantee you that for someone wanting a job in the game industry, listing volunteer positions under employment is very, very bad form. They should be separate and explicitly listed as such. Come to think of it, it's true in all industries. I believe there was intention to pad her resume, which is totally in tune with the rest of her public persona : a fraud. I'd expect it from an insecure 18 year old looking for a first job, not a 26 year old graduate... Hint : no one with any realistic sense of self calls themselves an expert on anything less than a year after graduation, or mentions working on TWO MMOs without listing titles or shipping dates. Come on, you know I'm right :) Whatever you do, don't vote for Ankhesentapemkah !!! An elitist ****** that wants only the rich to represent us. And make EvE Hello Kitty Online. Nuff said....
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:41:00 - [360] Originally by: Nikolai Vheranimen Hint : no one with any realistic sense of self calls themselves an expert on anything less than a year after graduation, or mentions working on TWO MMOs without listing titles or shipping dates. Most rich elitist gaming companies have something called an NDA

Dakisha H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:44:00 - [361] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Face Palmer enjoying the lulz. endless entertainment. Absolutely, here at work we had a nice laugh about the CV nonsense a few minutes ago. Keep digging
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:40:00 - [362] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Absolutely, here at work we had a nice laugh about the CV nonsense a few minutes ago. I was genuinely curious about a response to the point Sel was making. Lets face it, it can easily be considered to be misrepresentation of your relationship with CCP, which speaks to your character. This, in turn, could speak to the quality of the community representation you will exhibit while on the CSM. Not trolling, genuine questions (in my opinion) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Minnie miss	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:45:00 - [363] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 05:00:40 Okay, seriously... you state under your EMPLOYMENT HISTORY in your CV: Quote: 2008-2009 CCP Games Hf., Reykjavik Council of Stellar Management Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, Documentation, Wiki-implementation This isn't a troll against your CSM campaign and there's no spin here. Unless you've collected a paycheck from CCP or you're going to argue that CSM = Employment, you've not been 'employed' by them in any way. Nitpicking about technicalities. She did all the things she mentioned. Who cares about her actually being a paid employee? The things she did are relevant for her CV. So calling her a 'liar' because of this kinda looks like trolling to me :D
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:51:00 - [364] Originally by: Minnie miss Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 05:00:40 Okay, seriously... you state under your EMPLOYMENT HISTORY in your CV: Quote: 2008-2009 CCP Games Hf., Reykjavik Council of Stellar Management Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, Documentation, Wiki-implementation This isn't a troll against your CSM campaign and there's no spin here. Unless you've collected a paycheck from CCP or you're going to argue that CSM = Employment, you've not been 'employed' by them in any way. Nitpicking about technicalities. She did all the things she mentioned. Who cares about her actually being a paid employee? The things she did are relevant for her CV. So calling her a 'liar' because of this kinda looks like trolling to me :D Consider for a moment whether it should go under employment history. There are other parts to a CV, and listing it at the top of the employment history when it has been clearly stated that CSM Members have signed an agreement NOT TO REPRESENT themselves as being employed by CCP. So, she has essentially breached her contract...is that someone you can trust? Prodesse Non Nocere
Minnie miss	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:59:00 - [365] Originally by: Caoim Fearghul Consider for a moment whether it should go under employment history. There are other parts to a CV, and listing it at the top of the employment history when it has been clearly stated that CSM Members have signed an agreement NOT TO REPRESENT themselves as being employed by CCP. So, she has essentially breached her contract...is that someone you can trust? [repeat mode]Technicalities[/repeat mode] Nobody is caring about this mate. Mail it directly to CCP and say she 'essentially breached her contract'.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:03:00 - [366] Originally by: Minnie miss Originally by: Caoim Fearghul Consider for a moment whether it should go under employment history. There are other parts to a CV, and listing it at the top of the employment history when it has been clearly stated that CSM Members have signed an agreement NOT TO REPRESENT themselves as being employed by CCP. So, she has essentially breached her contract...is that someone you can trust? [repeat mode]Technicalities[/repeat mode] Nobody is caring about this mate. Mail it directly to CCP and say she 'essentially breached her contract'. Yes or mail it to my current employer, email is on the website.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:03:00 - [367] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Nikolai Vheranimen Hint : no one with any realistic sense of self calls themselves an expert on anything less than a year after graduation, or mentions working on TWO MMOs without listing titles or shipping dates. Most rich elitist gaming companies have something called an NDA What's one of those?
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:04:00 - [368] Originally by: Minnie miss So calling her a 'liar' because of this kinda looks like trolling to me :D You put the word liar in quotes as if you were quoting Seleene saying Ankh is a liar. Where is that quoted from, specifically? Or, are you just paraphrasing/reinterpreting? warp drive active \| nature vraie
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:08:00 - [369] Originally by: Minnie miss Originally by: Caoim Fearghul Consider for a moment whether it should go under employment history. There are other parts to a CV, and listing it at the top of the employment history when it has been clearly stated that CSM Members have signed an agreement NOT TO REPRESENT themselves as being employed by CCP. So, she has essentially breached her contract...is that someone you can trust? [repeat mode]Technicalities[/repeat mode] Nobody is caring about this mate. Mail it directly to CCP and say she 'essentially breached her contract'. I like this idea.
Chatea	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:16:00 - [370] Lot's of "BURN THE WITCH!!" idiots in here. If you don't win a spot Ankh' at least you can put troll slayer on your CV.

Minnie miss	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:18:00 - [371] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Minnie miss So calling her a 'liar' because of this kinda looks like trolling to me :D You put the word liar in quotes as if you were quoting Seleene saying Ankh is a liar. Where is that quoted from, specifically? Or, are you just paraphrasing/reinterpreting? Basicly, ppl who *** about this non-issue are calling her a deceiver/liar/whatever. But the quoted part is from this post: Originally by:** Dirk Mortice Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. lmao Lying on your CV is bad ok? The same person who claims 'we are not trolling' a few posts later. Originally by: Dirk Mortice yeah, only we're not trolling. We're making serious points and she continues to ignore them or cry troll the moment she sees a comment that isn't in agreement with her. She backpeddles and has contradicted herself multiple times and has stated she doesn't even enjoy the game. Edit - Watch as she either completely ignores this post or calls me a troll [repeat mode]Well, nitpicking about a completely irrelevant technicality just to make Ank look bad looks like trolling to me. And yes, it is irrelevant. It's all about the way you should write your resume: do you put volunteer/non paid jobs under employment history or not? [/repeat mode]
Minnie miss	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:20:00 - [372] Originally by: Chatea Lot's of "BURN THE WITCH!!" idiots in here. If you don't win a spot Ankh' at least you can put troll slayer on your CV. DON'T PUT IT UNDER EMPLOYMENT HISTORY ANK OR YOU'LL BE LYNCHED!1!!!
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:22:00 - [373] Originally by: Chatea Lot's of "BURN THE WITCH!!" idiots in here. If you don't win a spot Ankh' at least you can put bull sayer on your CV. Fixed.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:23:00 - [374] Originally by: Minnie miss DON'T PUT IT UNDER EMPLOYMENT HISTORY ANK OR YOU'LL BE LYNCHED!1!!! She has the bright ones on her side i see.
Amaegith Caldari Black Star Drilling Inc	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:37:00 - [375] Originally by: Minnie miss [repeat mode]Well, nitpicking about a completely irrelevant technicality just to make Ank look bad looks like trolling to me. And yes, it is irrelevant. It's all about the way you should write your resume: do you put volunteer/non paid jobs under employment history or not? [/repeat mode] It's not nitpicking, it's a serious issue over the eligibility of her even being able to run for CSM, and I hope someone brings it to CCP's attention. Either a breach of contract took place or she was employed by CCP and either front makes her ineligible to run for CSM.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:55:00 - [376] Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04 I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. shrug ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx
Minnie miss	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:57:00 - [377] Edited by: Minnie miss on 07/05/2010 15:04:56 Originally by: Amaegith Originally by: Minnie miss [repeat mode]Well, nitpicking about a completely irrelevant technicality just to make Ank look bad looks like trolling to me. And yes, it is irrelevant. It's all about the way you should write your resume: do you put volunteer/non paid jobs under employment history or not? [/repeat mode] It's not nitpicking, it's a serious issue over the eligibility of her even being able to run for CSM, and I hope someone brings it to CCP's attention. Either a breach of contract took place or she was employed by CCP and either front makes her ineligible to run for CSM. [repeat mode]Why don't you bring it to their attention? As I suggested: mail them! [/repeat mode] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04 I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. shrug [repeat]As I said b4: it all comes down to how you think you should write a resume. Listing something as CSM member under employment history doesn't sound that far fetched to me. It's completely relevant in this case. [/repeat]
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:04:00 - [378] Edited by: Leil Ren''Do on 07/05/2010 15:05:33 edit nvm...
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:17:00 - [379] Originally by: Minnie miss Edited by: Minnie miss on 07/05/2010 15:04:56 Originally by: Amaegith Originally by: Minnie miss [repeat mode]Well, nitpicking about a completely irrelevant technicality just to make Ank look bad looks like trolling to me. And yes, it is irrelevant. It's all about the way you should write your resume: do you put volunteer/non paid jobs under employment history or not? [/repeat mode] It's not nitpicking, it's a serious issue over the eligibility of her even being able to run for CSM, and I hope someone brings it to CCP's attention. Either a breach of contract took place or she was employed by CCP and either front makes her ineligible to run for CSM. [repeat mode]Why don't you bring it to their attention? As I suggested: mail them! [/repeat mode] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04 I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. shrug [repeat]As I said b4: it all comes down to how you think you should write a resume. Listing something as CSM member under employment history doesn't sound that far fetched to me. It's completely relevant in this case. [/repeat] [z0r mode]Aktivate![/z0r]
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:14:00 - [380] EVE Tribune interview is up!

Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:27:00 - [381] You had my only vote. I was pretty desperate to find serious candidates that are actually interested in the game itself and not in petty details. Plus that i totally share your point of view on anything.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:31:00 - [382] Originally by: Lyn Farel You had my only vote. I was pretty desperate to find serious candidates that are actually interested in the game itself and not in petty details. Plus that i totally share your point of view on anything.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:33:00 - [383] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/05/2010 17:36:55 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's the misconception. I'm not against PVP at all, quite the contrary. That's why I keep repeating, that my very own ultima online server was a full PVP server. That's why I proposed so many FW issues, that's why I contributed to a major 0.0 issue, and that's why I have been expressing myself heavily in favor for small gang warfare and lowsec improvements. As CSM I'll approach the game from the perspective of a game designer, which is a neutral one. Ankhesentapemkah > http://www.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=291<br>Vote carebear and get their griefer ass banned! Evil egg throwers out there! EEEEVIL! Vote an ban them! Ankhesentapemkah > Vote CAREBEAR VOTE ANKH! Death to the griefers! ITT: internet politicians lying as usual. Oh, and for the people who'll say pic or gtfo there Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:48:00 - [384] Originally by: Minnie miss Originally by: Dirk Mortice Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. lmao Lying on your CV is bad ok? The same person who claims 'we are not trolling' a few posts later. Originally by: Dirk Mortice yeah, only we're not trolling. We're making serious points and she continues to ignore them or cry troll the moment she sees a comment that isn't in agreement with her. She backpeddles and has contradicted herself multiple times and has stated she doesn't even enjoy the game. Edit - Watch as she either completely ignores this post or calls me a troll [repeat mode]Well, nitpicking about a completely irrelevant technicality just to make Ank look bad looks like trolling to me. And yes, it is irrelevant. It's all about the way you should write your resume: do you put volunteer/non paid jobs under employment history or not? [/repeat mode] Pointing out that somebody is bad, has done something bad, doesn't deserve a CSM spot etc. etc. is trolling right? No I don't put my volunteering (which I do a lot of) under my employment history, because I wasn't bloody employed by them! And writing a CV wrongly isn't an 'irrelevaant technicality', people make serious decisions based on them and saying that she worked for a large multi-national games company like CCP when she didn't is blatantly stretching the truth to make herself look better.
Baaldor Sperms of Endearment	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:18:00 - [385] In most companies, falsifying employment history is grounds for termination.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:54:00 - [386] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/05/2010 19:55:16 Her time in the CSM is relevant considering the work she does, at least more relevant than here time at the V&D and i dont see anyone complaining about that. At most you can say she could make it clearer what the CSM is, or give it another name than employment history, but honestly that is nitpicking, not to mention the slight issue that this is just something that is on her site. For the people hoping she gets fired because of this (which makes you a pretty sad person), you are deluded.
SunOfSin Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.05.07 20:20:00 - [387] you my voice
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.05.07 20:34:00 - [388] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/05/2010 19:55:16 Whine Both here and on Tweakers you are acting like her sockpuppet, are you actually getting something out of this or are you just a alt ? And wether people would like to see her fired is beside the point this is just one more example of her lying and twisting facts and one more reason why people should not vote for her. Not only is she totally out of tune with this game she also is a proven liar,exploiter, bad corp member and not mentally competent to fill this position as proven over time.
Baaldor Sperms of Endearment	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:36:00 - [389] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/05/2010 19:55:16 Her time in the CSM is relevant considering the work she does, at least more relevant than here time at the V&D and i dont see anyone complaining about that. At most you can say she could make it clearer what the CSM is, or give it another name than employment history, but honestly that is nitpicking, not to mention the slight issue that this is just something that is on her site. For the people hoping she gets fired because of this (which makes you a pretty sad person), you are deluded. Damn dude, was that diatribe ^^ a response to my statement?
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.07 23:13:00 - [390] As one who enjoys rping I'm interested to learn what motivated you to choose the name Ankhesentapemkah. thanks!

Winterblink Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.07 23:53:00 - [391] Originally by: Baaldor Damn dude, was that diatribe ^^ a response to my statement? Who the hell knows, I don't think anyone's trying to make someone lose their job here. The reason that particular topic caught my eye is that the character of the candidate means a lot in how I pick who to vote for. Or, to use an analogy, I wouldn't put a thief in charge of security for a bank. It doesn't matter which candidate it is. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2010.05.08 02:34:00 - [392] Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:45 Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:00 Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04 I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. shrug So being a part of the CSM is therefore not being employed in a capacity by CCP Here is a definition of an employee, "a person who is hired to provide services to a company on a regular basis in exchange for compensation and who does not provide these services as part of an independent business". 1.Did CCP create the roles of the CSM Answer: Yes 2. Did CCP define the roles and requirements that a CSM must abide by? Answer: Yes 3. Did CCP conduct an interview process Answer: yes they did. They did it through the process of an election to nominate the candidates for the position. 3. Does CCP expect that a CSM representative provide them with services on a regular basis Answer: Yes. Whilst you are a CSM, CCP expects that you uphold to your commitments as a CSM representative. 4. Does the CSM receive compensation for the services that they provide Answer: Yes. What part of free flight, hotel stay and free access to the Fan fest equals 5.Does the CSM provide services as part of an independent business Answer: NO as the CSM is a designated role created by and organized by CCP. Also I would not be surprised if the CSM are covered under the Iceland equivalent of the OH&S act and probably workers compensation if they are injured whilst they attend the fan fest. Therefore I do not see any problem with any individual putting there role as CSM as part of there employment history. Brechan
Endas	Posted - 2010.05.08 05:23:00 - [393] BURN THE WITCH
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.08 10:27:00 - [394] Edited by: Furb Killer on 08/05/2010 10:28:54 Originally by: Promethian child Both here and on Tweakers you are acting like her sockpuppet, are you actually getting something out of this or are you just a alt ? And wether people would like to see her fired is beside the point this is just one more example of her lying and twisting facts and one more reason why people should not vote for her. Not only is she totally out of tune with this game she also is a proven liar,exploiter, bad corp member and not mentally competent to fill this position as proven over time. Oh please give me proof she is an exploiter. (and please dont come with a screenie where she has a cloaking device fitted, that isnt an exploit). And looking at your posts you arent really in any position to talk about anyones mental competence. I just agree with most of her points, try to deal with it. Also she isnt lying and twisting facts, in case you didnt notice, she has been in the CSM.
Temi Heliz	Posted - 2010.05.08 16:03:00 - [395] Originally by: Brechan Skene Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:45 Edited by: Brechan Skene on 08/05/2010 02:35:00 Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/05/2010 14:55:04 I'm not calling her anything and I'm not trolling any of her views about the game or whatever the FOTM in this thread is, but her saying that she's been employed by CCP or worked with them in any capacity outside of the CSM is false. That's all. shrug So being a part of the CSM is therefore not being employed in a capacity by CCP Here is a definition of an employee, "a person who is hired to provide services to a company on a regular basis in exchange for compensation and who does not provide these services as part of an independent business". 1.Did CCP create the roles of the CSM Answer: Yes 2. Did CCP define the roles and requirements that a CSM must abide by? Answer: Yes 3. Did CCP conduct an interview process Answer: yes they did. They did it through the process of an election to nominate the candidates for the position. 3. Does CCP expect that a CSM representative provide them with services on a regular basis Answer: Yes. Whilst you are a CSM, CCP expects that you uphold to your commitments as a CSM representative. 4. Does the CSM receive compensation for the services that they provide Answer: Yes. What part of free flight, hotel stay and free access to the Fan fest equals 5.Does the CSM provide services as part of an independent business Answer: NO as the CSM is a designated role created by and organized by CCP. Also I would not be surprised if the CSM are covered under the Iceland equivalent of the OH&S act and probably workers compensation if they are injured whilst they attend the fan fest. Therefore I do not see any problem with any individual putting there role as CSM as part of there employment history. Brechan Try to use your common sense instead of playing semantics. This topic in the CV tells 'i have been working for two years for a gaming company as a some kind of junior game designer/ whatever' Whereas it is 'i was elected along with other players, to raise issues from the game i play to developers. They offered me a free trip to Iceland, and they paid me an hotel room. Oh, and I was elected twice.' Would have been appropriate to put this under 'pasttimes & associative work'. Lacks honesty, and modesty.
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.08 16:20:00 - [396] Omg quick call the police, no wait get on the bat phone - no no no no hang on - its such a major crime against humanity the world police will get involved oh the humanity :) TeamAmerica will obviously get involved in this one
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.08 16:21:00 - [397] Originally by: Temi Heliz Try to use your common sense instead of playing semantics. This topic in the CV tells 'i have been working for two years for a gaming company as a some kind of junior game designer/ whatever' Whereas it is 'i was elected along with other players, to raise issues from the game i play to developers. They offered me a free trip to Iceland, and they paid me an hotel room. Oh, and I was elected twice.' Would have been appropriate to put this under 'pasttimes & associative work'. Lacks honesty, and modesty. Well put. Personally I'm more concerned with the honesty part than the modesty thing. CVs are your sales pitch to other companies, most everyone will take what they have and make themselves into rocket scientists in some capacity. However, usually staying within the realm of reality. It's also worth adding emphasis to the previous guy's definition of the word "employee": "a person who is hired to provide services to a company on a regular basis in exchange for compensation and who does not provide these services as part of an independent business" Everything after that is just a further description. warp drive active \| nature vraie
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.08 17:58:00 - [398] Edited by: El''Tar on 08/05/2010 17:59:09 voted for you with 9 accounts, good luck, we need more CSM members that is willing to look at the game from a different perspective ________________________________________________
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:32:00 - [399] Originally by: Brechan Skene <snip> At the risk of annoying potential voters for me, I feel I must correct this misunderstanding you have that CSM can be classed as employees of CCP. 6. Did the "employee" of CCP sign an employment contract or receive regular pay cheques? Answer: NO, CSM delegates only sign a non-disclosure agreement and no payments were made. I'm not sure about Icelandic law, but over here if you haven't signed an employment contract then the only other way you can be classed as being employed by a company is if you have accepted regular payments from that company. 7. Have you seen the NDA which the CSM are obliged to sign when they take up the role which specifically states they are not employees of CCP? Answer: Apparently not Then again I have only seen the contact from CSM4 which may be different to those issued for earlier CSM. Whilst at the CSM summit CCP supplied food, lodging and paid for flights and transfers. However they also (AFAIK) did the same for the journalist from PC Gamer magazine who was writing an article about the CSM. Are you trying to imply that he must have also been classed as an employee of CCP? I certainly wouldn't put my time on CSM4 under the employment history section of my CV, but it would be totally relevant under the "Other Skills" section. Vote TeaDaze for CSM5!
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:48:00 - [400] Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Brechan Skene I certainly wouldn't put my time on CSM4 under the employment history section of my CV, but it would be totally relevant under the "Other Skills" section. Lol, it's WORK you do for a company, how is that 'a skill'?

NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:53:00 - [401] Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Brechan Skene <snip> At the risk of annoying potential voters for me, I feel I must correct this misunderstanding you have that CSM can be classed as employees of CCP. 6. Did the "employee" of CCP sign an employment contract or receive regular pay cheques? Answer: NO, CSM delegates only sign a non-disclosure agreement and no payments were made. I'm not sure about Icelandic law, but over here if you haven't signed an employment contract then the only other way you can be classed as being employed by a company is if you have accepted regular payments from that company. 7. Have you seen the NDA which the CSM are obliged to sign when they take up the role which specifically states they are not employees of CCP? Answer: Apparently not Then again I have only seen the contact from CSM4 which may be different to those issued for earlier CSM. Whilst at the CSM summit CCP supplied food, lodging and paid for flights and transfers. However they also (AFAIK) did the same for the journalist from PC Gamer magazine who was writing an article about the CSM. Are you trying to imply that he must have also been classed as an employee of CCP? I certainly wouldn't put my time on CSM4 under the employment history section of my CV, but it would be totally relevant under the "Other Skills" section. Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood; Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome, I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.08 19:04:00 - [402] Edited by: TeaDaze on 08/05/2010 19:12:36 Originally by: NereSky Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood; Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). Which jurisdiction is that definition taken from because as I stated where I am from you are not classed as an employee unless you have either a) signed an employment contract or b) have been accepting regular payment for work done. Originally by: NereSky so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome, I have no axe to grind with Ankh, I am stating that the idea that CSM can be classed as employees of CCP simply for accepting a volunteer role is ludicrous. In addition if it were treated as employment then it would be classed as a second job and thus my tax rate would go up Originally by: NereSky I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance. I am simply stating that as far as my jurisdiction is concerned it is not classed as employment. As to a smear campaign, I dislike it in RL politics and I dislike it here. I haven't stated an opinion on Ankh's use of her CSM volenteer work as part of her employment history, I have just stated that it is not employment in the strict sense of the term where I am from. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Lol, it's WORK you do for a company, how is that 'a skill'? I would state how I was involved in a player elected council debating issues and producing minutes. Those are the types of transferable skills that many employers look for. And lastly IIRC the NDA contained a clause that we waive any claim to being employees of CCP Vote TeaDaze for CSM5!
Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.08 19:07:00 - [403] Originally by: NereSky Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood; Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome, I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance. The fact that you don't get why people are doing this just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Read all of her quotes and campaign messages without the 'fanboi' rose-tinted glasses you appear to be sporting and you will see that she has made it her mission to try to negatively change the preferred play-style for a lot of people. If you still don't get it, then you really are playing the wrong game.
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.08 22:26:00 - [404] Originally by: Adingo Ate'mybaby Originally by: NereSky Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood; Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome, I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance. The fact that you don't get why people are doing this just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Read all of her quotes and campaign messages without the 'fanboi' rose-tinted glasses you appear to be sporting and you will see that she has made it her mission to try to negatively change the preferred play-style for a lot of people. If you still don't get it, then you really are playing the wrong game. If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago
Jan Forjeu	Posted - 2010.05.08 22:39:00 - [405] Edited by: Jan Forjeu on 08/05/2010 22:40:47 Originally by: NereSky If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago Now you're getting somewhere. It is verymuch possible to play eve for 6 years and still don't have a clue what it's about. Ofc you need to be a bit dim for that but statisticly you really aren't a special case :)
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.08 22:44:00 - [406] Originally by: Jan Forjeu Edited by: Jan Forjeu on 08/05/2010 22:40:47 Originally by: NereSky If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago Now you're getting somewhere. It is verymuch possible to play eve for 6 years and still don't have a clue what it's about. Ofc you need to be a bit dim for that but statisticly you really aren't a special case :) If anything that made me smile
Jan Forjeu	Posted - 2010.05.08 22:53:00 - [407] Originally by: NereSky If anything that made me smile Somehow I think it didn't :)
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.08 23:14:00 - [408] Originally by: NereSky Originally by: Jan Forjeu Edited by: Jan Forjeu on 08/05/2010 22:40:47 Originally by: NereSky If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago Now you're getting somewhere. It is verymuch possible to play eve for 6 years and still don't have a clue what it's about. Ofc you need to be a bit dim for that but statisticly you really aren't a special case :) If anything that made me smile You are unable to miss the point if you fail to aim for it.
Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.09 00:00:00 - [409] Originally by: NereSky Originally by: Adingo Ate'mybaby Originally by: NereSky Obviously what ive stated before hasnt been read or understood; Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed." Black's Law Dictionary page 471 (5th ed. 1979). so point 6 is irrelevant and so is point 7 - and tbh all this is political desperation in trying to smear someone that is only volunteering her time to help pass players comments and concerns to CCP is getting tiresome, I can understand RL politicians conducting a constant smear campaign as they get paid untold fortunes in costs and guarrenteed future income etc but not game players - all the potential CSM's are trying to do is make a differance. The fact that you don't get why people are doing this just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Read all of her quotes and campaign messages without the 'fanboi' rose-tinted glasses you appear to be sporting and you will see that she has made it her mission to try to negatively change the preferred play-style for a lot of people. If you still don't get it, then you really are playing the wrong game. If i was playing the wrong game then i would have discovered that approx 6 years ago So you've played for 6 years and still fail to see how her proposed changes would negatively impact the game? Wow... just wow.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.09 00:44:00 - [410] Originally by: TeaDaze And lastly IIRC the NDA contained a clause that we waive any claim to being employees of CCP Could you please confirm this last point regarding claims of employment by CCP from former CSM members being a breach of NDA. I find this very interesting. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)

Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.05.09 02:08:00 - [411] Originally by: Furb Killer BAAAWWW White Knighting wont get you any mkay ?
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.09 02:11:00 - [412] At first I thought Ankh was bad, but then I got a lobotomy and suddenly she seems to have good ideas.
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.09 10:32:00 - [413] Great movie, got my vote! Truly represents the players instead of personal agenda, and has nice track record.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.09 10:59:00 - [414] Originally by: Stevakis Great movie, got my vote! Truly represents the players instead of personal agenda, and has nice track record. Have you actually read any of her opinions? Like.. a single one of them?
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.09 11:05:00 - [415] Originally by: Space Pinata Originally by: Stevakis Great movie, got my vote! Truly represents the players instead of personal agenda, and has nice track record. Have you actually read any of her opinions? Like.. a single one of them? I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. It comes from her direct competitors and if you read her track record documents, they do not show strong bias towards a carebear agenda. I see 0.0, PVP and FW issues amongst them. That proves that the accusations are false. I think Ankh can seperate her personal views and her csm role. That and I want someone that knows how FW works on the CSM. Her FW issues prove that she knows what she's talking about.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.09 12:05:00 - [416] Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.09 12:24:00 - [417] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'.
Balrokenx Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.10 04:56:00 - [418] Edited by: Balrokenx on 10/05/2010 04:56:11 Potentially the worst candidate possible if your vote here you should just install wow and be done with it.
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.10 05:51:00 - [419] Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'. I am curious what rock you have lived under and what ankhhblablabla actually paid you to write the above sentence when her statements and public message is the exact opposite to rational thought and logic.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2010.05.10 06:20:00 - [420] Edited by: Seeing EyeDog on 10/05/2010 06:20:45 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Nikolai Vheranimen Hint : no one with any realistic sense of self calls themselves an expert on anything less than a year after graduation, or mentions working on TWO MMOs without listing titles or shipping dates. Most rich elitist gaming companies have something called an NDA your suggestion that you work for a rich, elitist gaming company is offensive to the actual rich elitist gaming companies of the world.

Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.10 08:10:00 - [421] Originally by: Digital Solaris Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'. I am curious what rock you have lived under and what ankhhblablabla actually paid you to write the above sentence when her statements and public message is the exact opposite to rational thought and logic. So since apparently everyone has been living under a rock according to you, which attempts did she make during her time in the CSM to ban pvp?
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.05.10 08:26:00 - [422] Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'. The suicide gank issue was only balanced because CSM1 would only support it if she changed her original, over the top proposal to something more balanced. Her original proposal would've essentially made it impossible for suicide ganking to exist. So the issue isnt balanced because of her - its balanced because of the other CSM members (in CSM1). It's fine if you want to vote for Ank - people have different ideas about the game and just because I dont agree with them does not make them inherently invalid. But do make sure you're informed properly. Director of Education :: EVE University CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.10 08:52:00 - [423] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal The suicide gank issue was only balanced because CSM1 would only support it if she changed her original, over the top proposal to something more balanced. Her original proposal would've essentially made it impossible for suicide ganking to exist. So the issue isnt balanced because of her - its balanced because of the other CSM members (in CSM1). It's fine if you want to vote for Ank - people have different ideas about the game and just because I dont agree with them does not make them inherently invalid. But do make sure you're informed properly. Bull***, Dierdra. The issue document as stands has not been changed in any shape or form. None of the other CSM contributed to it in any way, it is balanced because I* made it balanced, the rest of the CSM had no part in it. And I always wanted suicide ganking to remain a possibility, it should just have harsher consequences, which ALL CSM agreed with (and CCP agreed with too, or else CONCORD would not have had the buffs it had, eh?). And the fun thing is, that I didn't request CONCORD to be buffed, I asked for tradeable killrights, overhauling the bounty system, booting gankers from NPC corps, and more ways to prevent known criminals hiding behind CONCORD. Remember my very first campaign video? I'm saying "We need more consequences for these scumbags!", not "We need to make suicide ganking impossible!" I thought you were a honest candidate, but seeing you fling mud and sprout false accusations here and on Tweakers really changed my opinion of you.
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.10 09:17:00 - [424] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Stevakis I don't think the stuff posted about her is true. Eve-search doesn't lie. Hell, you have screenshots of her "evil egg throwers need to get banned" crap in local. Be rational. Ankh has been on the CSM twice. She hasn't raised any issues to ban PVP or people that gank. The suicide gank issue she raised is balanced. It asks for PVP means to deal with it, all PVE means have this listed as 'con'. The suicide gank issue was only balanced because CSM1 would only support it if she changed her original, over the top proposal to something more balanced. Her original proposal would've essentially made it impossible for suicide ganking to exist. So the issue isnt balanced because of her - its balanced because of the other CSM members (in CSM1). It's fine if you want to vote for Ank - people have different ideas about the game and just because I dont agree with them does not make them inherently invalid. But do make sure you're informed properly. It is impossible to inform myself properly with all the disinformation in this topic. Many accusations have been made against Ankh, and when I look into them, half of them are clearly false, and the other half are dubious at best. When I look at Ankhs campaign message, her videos and her explanations, I do not see a whiny carebear, I see an intelligent, highly motivated woman that participates in these elections due to an inner drive to contribute to the EVE community. I see someone willing to represent me, and does not hesistate to voice criticism to CCP when their policies and decissions are not in the interest of the players. I see a strong personality that goes against all odds. I greatly respect Ankh for being willing to keep up with it, despite the negativity thrown at her. Ankh just said your claim about the proposal is false. Do you have anything to back up your claim?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 10:26:00 - [425] Originally by: Stevakis When I look at Ankhs campaign message, her videos and her explanations, I do not see a whiny carebear Ha ha, listening to a politician's propaganda. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.10 11:08:00 - [426] Originally by: Crumplecorn Ha ha, listening to a politician's propaganda. I'd believe that sooner than the rambling of other politicians flinging mud in a campaign thread that isn't their own.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 11:21:00 - [427] Originally by: Stevakis I'd believe that sooner than the rambling of other politicians flinging mud in a campaign thread that isn't their own. If you had any sense you wouldn't listen to either. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.10 12:32:00 - [428] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Digital Solaris I am curious what rock you have lived under and what ankhhblablabla actually paid you to write the above sentence when her statements and public message is the exact opposite to rational thought and logic. So since apparently everyone has been living under a rock according to you, which attempts did she make during her time in the CSM to ban pvp? And where did I say everyone in my response to Stevakis, hm? Originally by: Stevakis When I look at Ankhs campaign message, her videos and her explanations, I do not see a whiny carebear I hear with a bit of social engineering, you can make anyone* believe pretty much anything. *) As there is no patch for human stupidity.
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.10 12:59:00 - [429] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Originally by: Stevakis Do you have anything to back up your claim? Well I verified the chatlogs of that meeting, and it turns out the issue itself wasnt adjusted by the CSM as I originally thought (it was over 2 years ago), so I apologise for that. However, what did happen was during the discussion with CCP when we talked about this issue, that Ank did suggest some measures that would make it very difficult or impractical (almost immediate concord response, much harder sec status hits, etc). Other CSM members did argue against such harsh measures. This was done as part of the discussion with CCP. Eventually we reached an agreement on slightly improving the sec status hit (on the short term). I guess I got the meetings mixed up in my memories :P I find that very hard to believe, because the meeting minutes mention nothing of this, and because the meeting minutes make it sound as if CCP already had made up their mind (that being that the ganking was too much in favor of the aggressor and needed fixing) before the meeting. I also find this hard to believe, because Ankh just posted details that contradict your accusations, and your other accusation have just turned out to be false. That and if you look at Ankh's first video and her posts from earlier elections, you don't see her calling for CONCORD buffs, but for player-driven means of dealing with criminal players. Sorry. I believe Ankh's story here.
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.10 13:01:00 - [430] Originally by: Digital Solaris I hear with a bit of social engineering, you can make anyone* believe pretty much anything. Ah, got it. Just repeat some lies and slander over and over in someone's campaign thread, and hope people believe that?

Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.10 13:12:00 - [431] Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Digital Solaris I hear with a bit of social engineering, you can make anyone* believe pretty much anything. Ah, got it. Just repeat some lies over and over in your campaign thread, and hope people believe that? Fixed it for you, and pretty much.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.10 14:51:00 - [432] Edited by: Droog 1 on 10/05/2010 14:51:34 Originally by: Stevakis Ah, got it. Just repeat some lies and slander over and over in someone's campaign thread, and hope people believe that? Candidate claims to be Independant but is in a large Alliance. Candidate claims to support fair play but willingly abused standings against Caldari FWers. Candidate claimed to have a UO PvP server when in fact she turned off the PvP because of the 'Sort of player PvP games attract'. Tranquility is a PvP server. Candidate has, in the past, openly supported the vandalism and defacement of other peoples property just because of their playstyle. Candidate claims to have been in CCPs employment when she was not. Candidate prefers solo play and not participating with others. Eve is an MMO. Candidate is unable to make the distinction between actions in a video game and actions in real life. Eve encourages and allows players to be 'bad'. Candidate was previously caught using Alts in other CSM elections to slander other candidates and bump her own thread. There is a very good chance that this candidate will not be taken seriously by other CSM members and, possibly, CCP staff. Lies and slander?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.10 15:10:00 - [433] Originally by: Droog 1 Lies and slander? All of it, in fact.
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.10 19:26:00 - [434] Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 10/05/2010 14:51:34 Originally by: Stevakis There is a very good chance that this candidate will not be taken seriously by other CSM members and, possibly, CCP staff. Lies and slander? I'm pretty sure the only people who take Akhegtherdsfgdfmha seriously are persons who are just as delusional as she. She's a flash game designer for god's sake. She ought to be running for elections in Farmville.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.10 20:36:00 - [435] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Droog 1 Lies and slander? All of it, in fact. Well, this only proves one thing, you are completely incapable of arguing with anyone, or in thinking through other opinions and being rational about them. CCP market this game as a harsh and dark game of pvp where you are never, ever safe(even if docked thanks to your friendly neighbourhood scammers), and this person appears to be completely against pvp in general unless its "a certain type". I will continue ganking people thank you very much, as will my friends, we are literally gankers in arms, and get to plan roams the next day whilst doing rl stuff _______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =(
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.10 20:47:00 - [436] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Droog 1 Lies and slander? All of it, in fact. You're a moron, in fact.
Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.10 22:11:00 - [437] Originally by: Droog 1 Many truthful things You left out:- Candidate thinks Puzzle Pirates (a kiddies game for christsakes, I mean.. really??) is vastly superior to EVE.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.10 22:27:00 - [438] Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 10/05/2010 22:27:22 Originally by: Stevakis I find that very hard to believe, because the meeting minutes mention nothing of this, and because the meeting minutes make it sound as if CCP already had made up their mind (that being that the ganking was too much in favor of the aggressor and needed fixing) before the meeting. I also find this hard to believe, because Ankh just posted details that contradict your accusations, and your other accusation have just turned out to be false. That and if you look at Ankh's first video and her posts from earlier elections, you don't see her calling for CONCORD buffs, but for player-driven means of dealing with criminal players. Sorry. I believe Ankh's story here. The meetings took two days. The minutes are what, 20 pages or so? Condensation, and loss of side debates, are virtually inevitable. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Droog 1 Lies and slander? All of it, in fact. Funny, because some are literal truth, and most are at least reasonable. You are in a large alliance, talking about how you're an independent candidate. You did admit to alt-bumping your CSM1 thread. You do have CCP as an employer on your CV. You do primarily play solo, and Eve is an MMO. Whether those are meaningful, or good reasons to vote against you, is a matter of opinion. But they are simple facts, and hardly lies.
Alticius Espionicus	Posted - 2010.05.11 00:17:00 - [439] Ankhesentapemkah: the Sarah Palin of EVE.
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.11 04:40:00 - [440] Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Digital Solaris I hear with a bit of social engineering, you can make anyone* believe pretty much anything. Ah, got it. Just repeat some lies and slander over and over in someone's campaign thread, and hope people believe that? Willful ignorance is the best kind of ~ignorance~.

Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.11 04:50:00 - [441] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Droog 1 Lies and slander? All of it, in fact. Could you stop spamming me to vote for you in Jita please, it's getting pretty annoying.
Marlakh Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.11 05:40:00 - [442] Greetings, I'm rather new to the CSM process and politics, so pardon me if I have not done full research on all the CSM candidates and their past views and achievements, or separated all the facts from the multitude of opinions. My opinion below is based on my observations, and it is entirely possible that these may be disputed by facts. Ankh has applied to join the Ammatar Free Corps out of what I believe is her own desire to live the full range of corporation and alliance social experiences, and to make herself a more complete capsuleer. In spite of her numerous achievements in past CSMs, she has impressed me with her humility and dedication to our corp, by dutifully fulfilling the tedious maintenance of our POSes for a long time. As she had been what is effectively our version of the General Secretary of the United Nations, it is a very humbling experience to see that she can carry out her tasks without ever complaining once. Throughout her stay in the AFC/CVA, Ankh has been closely observing the situation post-Dominion, with the issues concerning NRDS alliances, sovereignty mechanics, and even roleplaying styles and motivations. She has sought valuable feedback from fellow alliance members and I believe this will be taken into account in her feedback to the council and CCP. In her replies to our alliance members, I have not detected any strong pro-CVA stance, merely her desire to listen to all perspectives, and to make herself a true representative for all capsuleers. And, although I am now Ankh's CEO in-game, she is a giant in her own right. She has done more for the Eve community than most of us can ever imagine ourselves doing. For someone who has the passion and concern to improve the game that we all love (or love to hate), and has the determination and will to run for the council again, she has my vote. I hope you will give her your support. Good luck to all the candidates!
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.05.11 07:46:00 - [443] Originally by: Marlakh Greetings, I'm rather new to the CSM process and politics, so pardon me if I have not done full research on all the CSM candidates and their past views and achievements, or separated all the facts from the multitude of opinions. My opinion below is based on my observations, and it is entirely possible that these may be disputed by facts. Ankh has applied to join the Ammatar Free Corps out of what I believe is her own desire to live the full range of corporation and alliance social experiences, and to make herself a more complete capsuleer. In spite of her numerous achievements in past CSMs, she has impressed me with her humility and dedication to our corp, by dutifully fulfilling the tedious maintenance of our POSes for a long time. As she had been what is effectively our version of the General Secretary of the United Nations, it is a very humbling experience to see that she can carry out her tasks without ever complaining once. Throughout her stay in the AFC/CVA, Ankh has been closely observing the situation post-Dominion, with the issues concerning NRDS alliances, sovereignty mechanics, and even roleplaying styles and motivations. She has sought valuable feedback from fellow alliance members and I believe this will be taken into account in her feedback to the council and CCP. In her replies to our alliance members, I have not detected any strong pro-CVA stance, merely her desire to listen to all perspectives, and to make herself a true representative for all capsuleers. And, although I am now Ankh's CEO in-game, she is a giant in her own right. She has done more for the Eve community than most of us can ever imagine ourselves doing. For someone who has the passion and concern to improve the game that we all love (or love to hate), and has the determination and will to run for the council again, she has my vote. I hope you will give her your support. Good luck to all the candidates! Nice propaganda piece, but there's evidence in this thread that directly contradicts a lot of what you've said. ---
Arwen Tyler	Posted - 2010.05.11 07:55:00 - [444] Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Nice propaganda piece, but there's evidence in this thread that directly contradicts a lot of what you've said. Indeed, On my main ( can't post on these forums because of lolRP restrictions ) I know a few of the members from this corp and they all say she's done F-all for corp until term limits were done away with and she realised she could stand again and wanted support.
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.11 08:17:00 - [445] Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Nice propaganda piece, but there's evidence in this thread that directly contradicts a lot of what you've said. Sorry but that so-called evidence has already been proven false most of the time. I rather believe a statement from her direct CEO than some professional mudflingers and trolls. Her CEO has a credible reputation.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.11 08:33:00 - [446] Originally by: Alticius Espionicus Ankhesentapemkah: the Sarah Palin of EVE.
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.11 09:09:00 - [447] Originally by: Stevakis Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Nice propaganda piece, but there's evidence in this thread that directly contradicts a lot of what you've said. Sorry but that so-called evidence has already been proven false most of the time. I rather believe a statement from her direct CEO than some professional mudflingers and trolls. Her CEO has a credible reputation. Truth is, Marlakh's sudden involvement and statement, with the classic examples of nepotism here and there, sounds more like a crusade that is getting more and more desperate to keep her campaign on life support after going from vegetative state to persistent vegetative state when it only begs for a painless death without any suffering. And as for you, it is apparent you would believe anything any one tells you to believe because it is so much simpler that way for you, isn't it?
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.11 09:33:00 - [448] Originally by: Digital Solaris Truth is, Marlakh's sudden involvement and statement, with the classic examples of nepotism here and there, sounds more like a crusade that is getting more and more desperate to keep her campaign on life support after going from vegetative state to persistent vegetative state when it only begs for a painless death without any suffering. And as for you, it is apparent you would believe anything any one tells you to believe because it is so much simpler that way for you, isn't it? If I look at the past times she and the other take care people ran for CSM, we saw the same smear on the campaign thread. All these people won the elections regardless. When on the CSM, Ankh, Erik and Z0D performed well, and time and again the whines and accusations from the griefing/ganking/0.0 crowd were proven false.
Niraia Gallente Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.11 09:51:00 - [449] Originally by: Alticius Espionicus Ankhesentapemkah: the Sarah Palin of EVE.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.11 09:56:00 - [450] Originally by: Alticius Espionicus Sarah Palin: the Ankhesentapemkah of RL.

Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.11 09:57:00 - [451] Originally by: Stevakis Sorry but that so-called evidence has already been proven false most of the time. Bolded the pertinent part. So you agree that in places she has misrepresented herself and/or the facts, yet you still think she's a great canditate. Astounding.
Penny Pancakes	Posted - 2010.05.11 10:02:00 - [452] To all who hate Ankh: go vote for someone else if you don't want her in the CSM and stfu, kthx.
Niraia Gallente Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.11 10:07:00 - [453] Originally by: Penny Pancakes To all who love Ankh: go vote for her if you want her in the CSM and stfu, kthx.
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.11 12:16:00 - [454] Time for some more corp chat quotes I suppose. Seriously Marlakh you're a great guy but, you know fine well that what you're saying is far from the truth. Where was she when G-5 was in need? Quote: [09:24:18] Aliariam > on the JB [09:24:27] Aliariam > i7s to MH9 then use auto pilot [09:24:50] Ankhesentapemkah > HELP [09:24:52] Ankhesentapemkah > under attack [09:24:59] Ankhesentapemkah > GUY II [09:25:03] Aliariam > say in citadel [09:25:05] Ankhesentapemkah > 9UY II [09:25:08] Aliariam > or NPM [09:25:10] Ankhesentapemkah > I Dont have thechannls [09:25:13] Ankhesentapemkah > AT WORK [09:25:27] More Whining > relayed for you [09:25:36] Ankhesentapemkah > Going down [09:25:40] Ankhesentapemkah > **ing great [09:26:36] More Whining > sorry man, got it into citadel as quick as I could [09:27:18] Ankhesentapemkah > noone here to help despite local being full of people [09:27:33] More Whining > yeah, that's kinda crap [09:28:11] Ankhesentapemkah > podded too [09:28:17] Ankhesentapemkah > thanks for nothing I wont be in the op tonight [09:28:33] Aliariam > don't go blaming us [09:28:45] Aliariam > don't you DARE try to blame that on us [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull game [09:29:27] Aliariam > then don't play, but don't take it out on your corp when you lose a ship [09:29:50] Ankhesentapemkah > its the corp that always wants me to do this and that and such and so, crap which I dont want. [09:30:01] Hunter Darkside > erm [09:30:02] Ankhesentapemkah > when I go there to help there is noone there [09:30:41] Aliariam > I have asked nothing from you. And frankly, if this is your attitude, no... I won't race out to help you [09:31:01] Ankhesentapemkah > not like that changes anything for me. [09:31:14] Hunter Darkside > wow. [09:31:34] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm always on my own anyway [09:32:01] Hunter Darkside > well, there is a fleet finder now [09:32:12] Hunter Darkside > which means you can join up more easily [09:32:16] Aliariam > now, had you been outside G-5 stn, I would have been able to undock and help, but screaming at us for not helping when you aren't anywhere near and haven't bothered to get into the intel channels is utterly ridiculous [09:32:57] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm at bloody work [09:33:01] Hunter Darkside > so? [09:33:06] Ankhesentapemkah > Its not like I'm plaing this game for fun** [09:33:11] Hunter Darkside > if you can load the client, you can add the channels [09:33:55] Hunter Darkside > and if you're not playing a game of internet spaceships for fun, what do you do for fun? [09:34:04] Beld Ermon > sorry to hear about your loss ank [09:34:21] Hunter Darkside > meh, beld, blame me and Ali [09:34:31] Hunter Darkside > it's clearly entirely our fault. [09:34:32] Ankhesentapemkah > I play puzzlepirates for fun lately. [09:34:45] Ankhesentapemkah > EVE Is just a job I have to pay for. Prodesse Non Nocere
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.11 12:19:00 - [455] Quote: [09:34:45] Aliariam > then go play puzzle pirates [09:35:06] Aliariam > and don't play eve, I stopped playing for 4 months when it started feeling like a job [09:35:24] Aliariam > came back, moved down here and love it [09:35:29] Ankhesentapemkah > yah but I must fuel your dratted posses [09:35:36] Aliariam > not at all [09:35:48] Aliariam > there are others here who can do that, and have offered [09:36:05] Ankhesentapemkah > there were not when I started doing that. [09:36:33] Beld Ermon > yep i've felt the same way as aliariam and you before, if it drives you nuts give it a break for a while your character will still be here when you get the urge again [09:36:52] Ankhesentapemkah > hehe I dont think I'll get the urge again [09:36:57] Ankhesentapemkah > not after all the talks I had with CCP [09:38:58] Aliariam > Well, if you do decide to stop playing.... give us all your stuff [09:39:09] Ankhesentapemkah > forget it. [09:39:15] Hunter Darkside > damnit, Ali, for having the balls to type what we were all thinking [09:39:25] Hunter Darkside > I <3 you, starky [09:39:52] Hunter Darkside > if you (seriosuly) do quit, I'll buy your character [09:39:59] Aliariam > and jsut think Hunter... I am the one here who literally has NO BALLS [09:40:08] Ankhesentapemkah > its not for sale since its a CSM character [09:40:12] Hunter Darkside > this is yet to be proven [09:40:22] Hunter Darkside > fair enough [09:41:09] Ankhesentapemkah > Rather throw the stuff away than have some silly kid like Aliariam have a single isk of it. [09:41:16] Hunter Darkside > /emote checks under Aliariam's skirt and is frnakly unable to take photos of the christmas baubles dangling thereunder [09:41:29] Hunter Darkside > Ankh, please, stop being a tool. [09:41:43] Hunter Darkside > We did what we could from where we were [09:41:53] Hunter Darkside > we alerted channels that needed to be alerted [09:41:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm not blaming you for any of that [09:42:05] Aliariam > chuckles at being called a 'silly kid' [09:42:07] Hunter Darkside > we scrambled a ship to assist [09:42:19] Aliariam > seeing as I am 30, a parent and seriously **ed off with your whiny attitude [09:42:36] Hunter Darkside > I read that as "pervert" [09:42:42] Aliariam > it is amazing the number of conversations I have on eve which resemble conversations I have wiuth my 9 yr old autistic son [09:42:44] Ankhesentapemkah > you're the one with a stupid attitude here, not me. [09:42:45] Hunter Darkside > then again, did you expect me not to? [09:42:56] Beld Ermon > i understand that your **ed off atm, but really all i can see is a noob attitude and noob actions Prodesse Non Nocere
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.11 12:22:00 - [456] Quote: [09:43:08] Beld Ermon > you got ganked in a BS coming off a station wtf? [09:43:09] Ankhesentapemkah > maybe your son inherited your genes huh [09:43:27] Hunter Darkside > for someone who has medals for long CSM service, and a seven year old character, you should seriously back off. [09:43:49] Beld Ermon > intel channels are ****y easy to set up, all you gotta do is remember the name and the provi one isn't exactly hard [09:43:52] Hunter Darkside > also, thiat part of chat has been saved and will be presented to our directors. that is bang out of order, dude [09:44:00] Aliariam > I would bloody well hope my son inherited genes of mine [09:44:12] Aliariam > otherwise sexual reproduction would be a bloody waste of time [09:44:27] Beld Ermon > hehehe [09:44:35] Ankhesentapemkah > humanity is a bloody waste of time for the most part [09:44:37] Hunter Darkside > Yeah, Ali, are you sure that when you gave birth to him, he was actually your baby? [09:45:03] Beld Ermon > just log off and stop playing, plenty of games on the net [09:45:13] Beld Ermon > fish in the sea so to speak [09:45:22] Ankhesentapemkah > all games are boring [09:45:31] Beld Ermon > focus on life then [09:45:32] Aliariam > then don't play games [09:45:41] Marlakh > o/ [09:45:44] Ankhesentapemkah > nothing else to do. Prodesse Non Nocere
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.11 12:38:00 - [457] OMG - FACEPALM
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.11 12:50:00 - [458] For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial **, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.11 12:57:00 - [459] "[09:43:09] Ankhesentapemkah > maybe your son inherited your genes huh" Blaming a parent for making their child autistic. Classy. And this is someone who has the presumption to make moral judgements on others. Amazing.
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.11 13:00:00 - [460] None of you trolls ever had a dispute in corp chat, and never insulted anyone, of course? Care to make your logs public?

Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.11 13:02:00 - [461] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial **, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless. I don't think he meant them to be accusations my dear, simple facts about you and nothing else.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.11 14:55:00 - [462] Originally by: Stevakis None of you trolls ever had a dispute in corp chat, and never insulted anyone, of course? Care to make your logs public? I keep in game arguments in game. I dont abuse mentally disabled children or their parents in them. I'd cheerfully call someone an idiot for losing a ship as Ankh seems to have done, and I'd definitely tell them to STFU if they ****ed about losing it and tried to blame anyone but themselves (actually I do this quite often). But I would leave the kid out of it. Mind you, I very rarely have "disputes" in corp chat because I actually contribute to my corp, and also I dont think that I'm too awesome to need to log in to intel or even check local (while claiming that I know just plenty* about PvP tyvm)
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.05.11 15:11:00 - [463] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Stevakis None of you trolls ever had a dispute in corp chat, and never insulted anyone, of course? Care to make your logs public? I keep in game arguments in game. I dont abuse mentally disabled children or their parents in them. I'd cheerfully call someone an idiot for losing a ship as Ankh seems to have done, and I'd definitely tell them to STFU if they ****ed about losing it and tried to blame anyone but themselves (actually I do this quite often). But I would leave the kid out of it. Mind you, I very rarely have "disputes" in corp chat because I actually contribute to my corp, and also I dont think that I'm too awesome to need to log in to intel or even check local (while claiming that I know just plenty* about PvP tyvm) For added comedy value, head to the U'K killboard and look up the loss she was emo-raging about... it's the Domi lost on 2010-01-28, I believe. Clearly, someone who would lose a ship fit like that under those circumstances is in an excellent position to be advising CCP.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.11 15:19:00 - [464] Originally by: Stevakis None of you trolls ever had a dispute in corp chat, and never insulted anyone, of course? Care to make your logs public? Exactly. Hell, you should see our corp chat, from time to time you'd wonder why the hell any of us are still playing EVE judging by all the ***ing we do. The ones with multiple accounts (including moi) do the most ***ing in general even
Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.11 15:45:00 - [465] Originally by: Stevakis None of you trolls ever had a dispute in corp chat, and never insulted anyone, of course? Care to make your logs public? How many of the trolls are running for a public position with social responsibilities? Most people know where to draw the line when having a disagreement with someone, and what was said in that corp chat goes far and beyond anything that any rational human being would consider decent, regardless of how mad you are. What happens in CSM meetings if she doesn't like what's being said? And it doesn't matter how many times you use the emoticon, what she has done is still indefensible.
seany1212 Stylo Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.11 16:27:00 - [466] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial **, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless. A) If you say they've been snipped post the full logs, everyone gets a copy B) You should NEVER be personally attacking anyones family members and actually be meaning it, especially if your highlighting a disability that one has C) The fact you do not need to comment on the evidence here due to them being "irrelevant and meaningless" strengthens my impression that they are true as thats a very poor defence I hope your votes now circle the toilet and your never even considered for CSM after this. You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned.
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2010.05.11 16:40:00 - [467] If such ill mannered, pessimistic carebears can be elected to csm then whats the point of the csm, at least get people who can play the game to speak for the players.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.11 17:18:00 - [468] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial **, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless. Let me guess - "irrelevant and meaningless" translates to "anything that attacks me"?
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.11 18:03:00 - [469] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Let me guess - "irrelevant and meaningless" translates to "anything that attacks me"? Your statement is obviously "irrelevant and meaningless" and hence doesn't deserve a response. Maybe you are a troll too Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.11 18:29:00 - [470] Oh dear... Originally by: Tyrin Amari Quote: [09:24:18] Aliariam > on the JB [09:24:27] Aliariam > i7s to MH9 then use auto pilot [09:24:50] Ankhesentapemkah > HELP [09:24:52] Ankhesentapemkah > under attack [09:24:59] Ankhesentapemkah > GUY II [09:25:03] Aliariam > say in citadel [09:25:05] Ankhesentapemkah > 9UY II [09:25:08] Aliariam > or NPM [09:25:10] Ankhesentapemkah > I Dont have thechannls [09:25:13] Ankhesentapemkah > AT WORK [09:25:27] More Whining > relayed for you [09:25:36] Ankhesentapemkah > Going down [09:25:40] Ankhesentapemkah > **ing great [09:26:36] More Whining > sorry man, got it into citadel as quick as I could [09:27:18] Ankhesentapemkah > noone here to help despite local being full of people [09:27:33] More Whining > yeah, that's kinda crap [09:28:11] Ankhesentapemkah > podded too [09:28:17] Ankhesentapemkah > thanks for nothing I wont be in the op tonight [09:28:33] Aliariam > don't go blaming us [09:28:45] Aliariam > don't you DARE try Quote: null to blame that on us [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull** game [09:29:27] Aliariam > then don't play, but don't take it out on your corp when you lose a ship [09:29:50] Ankhesentapemkah > its the corp that always wants me to do this and that and such and so, crap which I dont want. [09:30:01] Hunter Darkside > erm [09:30:02] Ankhesentapemkah > when I go there to help there is noone there [09:30:41] Aliariam > I have asked nothing from you. And frankly, if this is your attitude, no... I won't race out to help you [09:31:01] Ankhesentapemkah > not like that changes anything for me. [09:31:14] Hunter Darkside > wow. [09:31:34] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm always on my own anyway [09:32:01] Hunter Darkside > well, there is a fleet finder now [09:32:12] Hunter Darkside > which means you can join up more easily [09:32:16] Aliariam > now, had you been outside G-5 stn, I would have been able to undock and help, but screaming at us for not helping when you aren't anywhere near and haven't bothered to get into the intel channels is utterly ridiculous [09:32:57] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm at bloody work [09:33:01] Hunter Darkside > so? [09:33:06] Ankhesentapemkah > Its not like I'm plaing this game for fun [09:33:11] Hunter Darkside > if you can load the client, you can add the channels [09:33:55] Hunter Darkside > and if you're not playing a game of internet spaceships for fun, what do you do for fun? [09:34:04] Beld Ermon > sorry to hear about your loss ank [09:34:21] Hunter Darkside > meh, beld, blame me and Ali [09:34:31] Hunter Darkside > it's clearly entirely our fault. [09:34:32] Ankhesentapemkah > I play puzzlepirates for fun lately. [09:34:45] Ankhesentapemkah > EVE Is just a job I have to pay for. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)

Galactic Enquirer	Posted - 2010.05.11 18:34:00 - [471] Worried about the context of log due to snipped parts? Well fret no more, here it is in full. http://pastebin.com/EgqWUHGC
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.11 18:36:00 - [472] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial , and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless. I like how you vehemently deny most things but not this. Also that is a nice assumption to make about the entire player base. Not everyone is as bitter, pathetic and hateful as you appear to be. Very dissappointed knowing this CSM will be representing 'all players'. ~_~** (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
Sneaky Noob Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.05.11 19:07:00 - [473] posting to say that neither i, nor any of my alts voted for Ankh. that is all. carry on. ---- The Sneakiest Noob in all of EVE
Rubenson Monsters	Posted - 2010.05.11 19:36:00 - [474] There is so much drama and fighting over who did what and all I don't even care. I just want to say: Originally by: "Rubenson" Dude, there's a Chimera flying past your window and you don't even blink???
seany1212 Stylo Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.11 19:42:00 - [475] Originally by: Galactic Enquirer Worried about the context of log due to snipped parts? Well fret no more, here it is in full. http://pastebin.com/EgqWUHGC Ummm im guessing wrong logs, whether this was intentional or not who knows but the timestamps on whats been accused and any timestamp in that "full" log dont match up (e.g. accused Timelapse, 09:24:18-09:42:56. "full" log Timelapse, 15:23:28-02:29:56) You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned.
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.11 20:17:00 - [476] The future of Eve, as designed by Ankletrhrttwemka: http://www.clubgalactik.com/ Have fun, and don't forget to Take Care.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.11 21:38:00 - [477] This is turning into something truely ugly.. We got to learn a bit about Ank in this thread. It is quite clear she is a very confused person. But because we all feel so passionte about this game, and maybe even unhealthily identify ourselfs with it, we are unable to see past her shortcommings and feel personally attacked by her strong voiced misassumptions. This is not good guise... Cleary she does not belong in this game. But she doesn¦t need to be crusified for it. Ank to you, please go play other games. You don¦t understand eve and it won¦t help you in the rest of your life. Her attackers to you, no matter how harsh a response we provoke from her, remember she is a person. And means well however clumsily. To her followers, lol
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.11 21:40:00 - [478] The logs are from two separate days. That long one linked there is from before new year, whereas the other is from during the battles for D-GTMI. After the jump bridge POS fell, but before the spatial anomalies ate CVA's fleet ;) Prodesse Non Nocere
Bisba Resonance. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.12 04:37:00 - [479] Larkonis why aren't you running for csm?!?!?!?! Ankhewhateverthe...hernameis will definitly not get my votes.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.12 07:35:00 - [480] How not to get a job at CCP (or elected CSM): [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull game Gold dust there. What a quality player-base representative she would make. Completely hates the game, does not know how to play the game, calls dissenting opinion "sewage", and is currently resorting to mass-spamming locals with her chain letter of "pity me vote for me". Make it end already: [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull** game [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull game [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull game [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull** game Theres not a whole lot left to say really...aside from... lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt ~applause~

ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.12 09:18:00 - [481] Originally by: Corsair Blade Edited by: Corsair Blade on 05/05/2010 23:57:56 http://evajobse.net/ I find it telling that in your CV placed on this site of yours you claim to have been employed by CCP. Doing volunteer work does not mean you are employed by said firm. In the UK volunteer work is considered employment by law and has its own set of legal rights. Not only is it commonplace for CVÆs to have volunteer work listed in your previous employment history it is also encouraged. Eva Jobse is from the Netherlands and they have their own legal description of what constitutes as ôemploymentö.
Kuluskitur Dominion Experiments	Posted - 2010.05.12 10:23:00 - [482] Originally by: ViolenTUK In the UK volunteer work is considered employment by law and has its own set of legal rights. Not only is it commonplace for CVÆs to have volunteer work listed in your previous employment history it is also encouraged. Eva Jobse is from the Netherlands and they have their own legal description of what constitutes as ôemploymentö. Same in the Netherlands. Volunteer work = unpaid employment by the company or organisation, legally speaking. However to add to the confusion, for work to be considered volunteer work it does not require a contract of employment, according to the Dutch law. In the Netherlands, Eva is thus perfectly entitled to list her volunteer work for CCP as part of her employment history. While Eva had to waive any claims to be a 'regular' CCP employee (because all regular employees are entitled to claim minium wages etc), she was an unpaid CCP employee according to Dutch definitions and law, whenether CCP likes it or not. That, and it's perfectly normal and even encouraged in the Netherlands to list all volunteer work as part of the employment history (to avoid gaps in the CV). Although the 'employment history' section is called 'werkervaring', literally 'work experience' on the Dutch CV. I'm sure that Eva didn't feel like re-arranging her CV when translating it. *** We fight for Freedom!
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:37:00 - [483] Edited by: ThorTheGreat on 12/05/2010 13:38:06 Originally by: Kuluskitur Originally by: ViolenTUK In the UK volunteer work is considered employment by law and has its own set of legal rights. Not only is it commonplace for CVÆs to have volunteer work listed in your previous employment history it is also encouraged. Eva Jobse is from the Netherlands and they have their own legal description of what constitutes as ôemploymentö. Same in the Netherlands. Volunteer work = unpaid employment by the company or organisation, legally speaking. However to add to the confusion, for work to be considered volunteer work it does not require a contract of employment, according to the Dutch law. In the Netherlands, Eva is thus perfectly entitled to list her volunteer work for CCP as part of her employment history. While Eva had to waive any claims to be a 'regular' CCP employee (because all regular employees are entitled to claim minium wages etc), she was an unpaid CCP employee according to Dutch definitions and law, whenether CCP likes it or not. That, and it's perfectly normal and even encouraged in the Netherlands to list all volunteer work as part of the employment history (to avoid gaps in the CV). Although the 'employment history' section is called 'werkervaring', literally 'work experience' on the Dutch CV. I'm sure that Eva didn't feel like re-arranging her CV when translating it. Ah yes, she clearly forgot to mention the fact that she was not a CCP employee... Boy howdy would it be convenient for me to just put whatever suits me on my resume and claim innocent oversights. Also, who cares about Dutch laws? CCP is an Icelandic company. By that standard she was NOT an employee whether Dutch law likes it or not. Nevermind the fact that never did she perform one iota of game design or wiki development on behalf of CCP. The CSM job is not even remotely resembling game design. The wiki she made of her own free will was certainly not a work product for CCP. In short your statements are as ridiculously far fetched as the idea that she ever worked for CCP in the first place. IM DUTCH THEREFORE I GET TO CLAIM ANYPLACE I EVER HAD ANY SLIGHT ASSOCIATION WITH AS WORK EXPERIENCE GLOBALLY... Really? Not here.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:41:00 - [484] I think its clear to most people that this girl is unfit for anything. Inbox spam, channel spams, rude comments, hate for large part of the players. She makes isk spammers look good... -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Olga Kaminski	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:57:00 - [485] Originally by: Kuluskitur Originally by: ViolenTUK In the UK volunteer work is considered employment by law and has its own set of legal rights. Not only is it commonplace for CVÆs to have volunteer work listed in your previous employment history it is also encouraged. Eva Jobse is from the Netherlands and they have their own legal description of what constitutes as ôemploymentö. Same in the Netherlands. Volunteer work = unpaid employment by the company or organisation, legally speaking. However to add to the confusion, for work to be considered volunteer work it does not require a contract of employment, according to the Dutch law. In the Netherlands, Eva is thus perfectly entitled to list her volunteer work for CCP as part of her employment history. While Eva had to waive any claims to be a 'regular' CCP employee (because all regular employees are entitled to claim minium wages etc), she was an unpaid CCP employee according to Dutch definitions and law, whenether CCP likes it or not. That, and it's perfectly normal and even encouraged in the Netherlands to list all volunteer work as part of the employment history (to avoid gaps in the CV). Although the 'employment history' section is called 'werkervaring', literally 'work experience' on the Dutch CV. I'm sure that Eva didn't feel like re-arranging her CV when translating it. The Dutch revenue service might take exception to your explanation. Wat is een dienstbetrekking Regardless this was clearly padding of the C.V. ,as a employer i would applaud people keeping themselves busy and gaining experience by volunteering. Trying to pass it of as actually being employed by the company just means i will bin your C.V. . Especially if you are listing things you were not even involved in.
Kuluskitur Dominion Experiments	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:10:00 - [486] Originally by: Olga Kaminski Originally by: Kuluskitur Originally by: ViolenTUK In the UK volunteer work is considered employment by law and has its own set of legal rights. Not only is it commonplace for CVÆs to have volunteer work listed in your previous employment history it is also encouraged. Eva Jobse is from the Netherlands and they have their own legal description of what constitutes as ôemploymentö. Same in the Netherlands. Volunteer work = unpaid employment by the company or organisation, legally speaking. However to add to the confusion, for work to be considered volunteer work it does not require a contract of employment, according to the Dutch law. In the Netherlands, Eva is thus perfectly entitled to list her volunteer work for CCP as part of her employment history. While Eva had to waive any claims to be a 'regular' CCP employee (because all regular employees are entitled to claim minium wages etc), she was an unpaid CCP employee according to Dutch definitions and law, whenether CCP likes it or not. That, and it's perfectly normal and even encouraged in the Netherlands to list all volunteer work as part of the employment history (to avoid gaps in the CV). Although the 'employment history' section is called 'werkervaring', literally 'work experience' on the Dutch CV. I'm sure that Eva didn't feel like re-arranging her CV when translating it. The Dutch revenue service might take exception to your explanation. Wat is een dienstbetrekking Regardless this was clearly padding of the C.V. ,as a employer i would applaud people keeping themselves busy and gaining experience by volunteering. Trying to pass it of as actually being employed by the company just means i will bin your C.V. . Especially if you are listing things you were not even involved in. (...)waarop de werknemer tegen betaling werk verricht. The thing you're quoting is for paid employment and like I said, you don't need an employment contract for unpaid employment. And how did she not do those things? She did build a wiki, if not for her wiki, then the EVElopedia would never have those old CSM issues in there as the whole thing is copied directly out of hers. She set up the wiki, she structured it, so she did wiki-implementation. You're just a bunch of crybabies. *** We fight for Freedom!
Olga Kaminski	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:20:00 - [487] Originally by: Kuluskitur (...)waarop de werknemer tegen betaling werk verricht. The thing you're quoting is for paid employment and like I said, you don't need an employment contract for unpaid employment. No the thing I am quoting for is the definition of employment. No contract no pay means a fictive form of employment as far as the revenue service is concerned or none from a legal point of view.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:23:00 - [488] Originally by: Fly1 Sup ya'll. Thought I would share some interesting things from the being in CSM channel thingy a couple days ago. Enjoy. ----- [10:42:18] Ankhesentapemkah > So the worse this game does, it opens up more room for other space related games to have breathing room and a better shot at the pie. [10:42:36] Ankhesentapemkah > Kind of like the one we are working on. ;) [10:42:52] Ankhesentapemkah > isn't that industrial sabatoge? [10:43:09] Ankhesentapemkah > Industrial sabotage is too harsh of a word but you get the idea. ----- This relevant to this thread False logs. I don't use the "shot at the pie" expression nor do I use the ;) smiley like that. Try harder when trying to slander.
Adingo Ate'mybaby	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:47:00 - [489] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Fly1 Sup ya'll. Thought I would share some interesting things from the being in CSM channel thingy a couple days ago. Enjoy. ----- [10:42:18] Ankhesentapemkah > So the worse this game does, it opens up more room for other space related games to have breathing room and a better shot at the pie. [10:42:36] Ankhesentapemkah > Kind of like the one we are working on. ;) [10:42:52] Ankhesentapemkah > isn't that industrial sabatoge? [10:43:09] Ankhesentapemkah > Industrial sabotage is too harsh of a word but you get the idea. ----- This relevant to this thread False logs. I don't use the "shot at the pie" expression nor do I use the ;) smiley like that. Try harder when trying to slander. So this you deny, but you don't dispute the logs where you are essentially taking the **** out of someone's autistic child? Brilliant.
Gentle Bra State War Academy	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:49:00 - [490] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Fly1 Sup ya'll. Thought I would share some interesting things from the being in CSM channel thingy a couple days ago. Enjoy. ----- [10:42:18] Ankhesentapemkah > So the worse this game does, it opens up more room for other space related games to have breathing room and a better shot at the pie. [10:42:36] Ankhesentapemkah > Kind of like the one we are working on. ;) [10:42:52] Ankhesentapemkah > isn't that industrial sabatoge? [10:43:09] Ankhesentapemkah > Industrial sabotage is too harsh of a word but you get the idea. ----- This relevant to this thread False logs. I don't use the "shot at the pie" expression nor do I use the ;) smiley like that. Try harder when trying to slander. Pity, I'd vote for someone campainging for the ;) smiley.

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.12 15:50:00 - [491] I just felt like sharing this: [15:33:37] Ankhesentapemkah > Funny, I spoke with a law student and slandering me on the forums is actually a violation of dutch law and punishable with a maximum of 6 months of jailtime. [15:33:46] Ankhesentapemkah > despite the forums not being dutch. [15:34:46] Ankhesentapemkah > Lets see if I can sue some people. Serious Business. VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!
Bisba Resonance. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:07:00 - [492] People are slandering your ideas and giving opinions. This is perfectly legal.
lordmix Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:10:00 - [493] Originally by: Sokratesz I just felt like sharing this: [15:33:37] Ankhesentapemkah > Funny, I spoke with a law student and slandering me on the forums is actually a violation of dutch law and punishable with a maximum of 6 months of jailtime. [15:33:46] Ankhesentapemkah > despite the forums not being dutch. [15:34:46] Ankhesentapemkah > Lets see if I can sue some people. Serious Business. I have personally seen her spit on a baby irl. Also she cheats on her taxes. ------- Your signature is too big. The size limits for signature graphics are 120 pixels by 400 pixels, and no more than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) - Karass Sayfo
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:18:00 - [494] Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 12/05/2010 16:18:40 Originally by: Sokratesz I just felt like sharing this: [15:33:37] Ankhesentapemkah > Funny, I spoke with a law student and slandering me on the forums is actually a violation of dutch law and punishable with a maximum of 6 months of jailtime. [15:33:46] Ankhesentapemkah > despite the forums not being dutch. [15:34:46] Ankhesentapemkah > Lets see if I can sue some people. Serious Business. That's fine. Truth is an absolute defence against slander allegations. I'd just love to have confirmation of the "industrial espionage" chatlog - sadly, I was asleep at the time, and so not in channel to log it myself. I don't recall "Fly1" in channel, but maybe it's an alt?
edjeraketje	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:38:00 - [495] Originally by: Sokratesz I just felt like sharing this: [15:33:37] Ankhesentapemkah > Funny, I spoke with a law student and slandering me on the forums is actually a violation of dutch law and punishable with a maximum of 6 months of jailtime. [15:33:46] Ankhesentapemkah > despite the forums not being dutch. [15:34:46] Ankhesentapemkah > Lets see if I can sue some people. Serious Business. Well apart from the highly unlikely jail term being wrong under Dutch law if you ever decide to try and get people to court you might be in for "small" problems. First step if you had any case would be to sue CCP to provide you with the users details then find out the acccused is from say Peru and go from there. That offcourse is just the start and higly simplified. Jurisdiction in any case would be highly unclear due to differing geographical locations. If at all possible I would like the name of this lawstudent so that when and if he graduates I can be safe from ever retaining his services. I might add that the guy whose handicapped son you seem to have insulted has a case however.
lordmix Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:43:00 - [496] Someone rename this thread to Internet Space Lawyer Chat ------- Your signature is too big. The size limits for signature graphics are 120 pixels by 400 pixels, and no more than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) - Karass Sayfo
Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.12 17:04:00 - [497] I have looked at the products from your current employer. Now not to say they are horrible, but they all seem rather lacking in almost all aspects. What I mean is they all seem rather simple minded. Nothing very complex or compelling about them. The entire reason people play EVE is everything opposite of the games you work on. Judging by everything you have made from suggestions in the forums it sounds like you want to make EVE more for the easy going and simple minded game play. Less entertaining and less compelling. I for one shiver at the idea of the best MMO out there (face it, it is, rage on the forums all you want, it is) turned into the equivalent of some flash game on facebook (farmville in space?) that has no real meaning. Please stay and enjoy EVE for being EVE and not wishing it was one of the games you work on. Speaking of that company. I did not think of it until it was brought up, but I am not sure you being involved in the CSM and working for another online game company is a good idea. Conflict of interest comes to mind. False logs or not, it is just a bad idea. Everyone always jokes that EVE is about internet spaceships and internet spaceships is serious business. They say this jokingly but everyone know they are serious business. The games you work on are not serious business. Like I said before, feel free to play EVE if you like, but the CSM council is not for you. You did it before and it was shall we say, less than stellar? Maybe one day you will realize that EVE is supposed to be serious business and enjoy it like the rest of us. After all, no other game out there can be plagued with lag issues and still keep growing and growing. In closing, I really don't mean this in a mean way but, you are simply not ready for CSM. Take care, -Marlona Sky

CCP Adida	Posted - 2010.05.12 18:33:00 - [498] removed trolling comment Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.05.12 20:08:00 - [499] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Larkonis Trassler As major features in the next expansion, I'd love to see a full UI revamp, dynamically generated missions, and a factional warfare overhaul. I read through many of the changes you propose for FW. I tend to agree that the npc's (if they are going to exist in fw) should be balanced and I guess it would be ok to have corps that are in an alliance join fw. The other ideas you posted seem to be bug and exploit fixes for faction war. Are these what you mean by an overhaul? Or do you mean something bigger? What do you think about the idea of removing npcs from faction war plexes and simply notifying the player militias when they are entered so they can defend them if they want? The npcs would stay in missions of course but the occupancy effecting plexes would have no npcs. There could be a separate channel that reports what plexes are being occupied (and perhaps by whom and ship types) Also sometimes in some of your threads the idea of giving occupancy more meaning comes up. Do you think that is a good idea? If so what should be done?
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.13 03:40:00 - [500] Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 13/05/2010 03:41:07 I'll skip the "slander" and get straight to the point. It's time for you to withdraw from this race. It's time for you to move on. We've seen enough of your views. Deny all you want, the truth is out.

Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 05:54:00 - [501] It may interest those who have been following this thread that it is now the stated position of the EVE Tribune that Ankhesentapemkah is an unsuitable candidate for the Council of Stellar Management. You can read my editorial explaining our reasons for taking this decision here. You can find a separate forum thread here.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.13 09:23:00 - [502] Originally by: Adingo Ate'mybaby Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah False logs. I don't use the "shot at the pie" expression nor do I use the ;) smiley like that. Try harder when trying to slander. So this you deny, but you don't dispute the logs where you are essentially taking the **** out of someone's autistic child? Brilliant. That's how telling the truth works; you can only deny the lies. Of course, it's also how disinformation works; keep enough truth in there that people believe the lies. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:28:00 - [503] I think she explained what she did in csm in the cv. I don't have much of an issue on that, although I wouldn't have done that. Her comments about hating eve doesn't bother me becasue I certainly had moments where I hated this game. If we didn't care about it, it woudln't be a great game. Really the main issue I have, is her comment to the person who has an autistic child. That was really uncalled for. I would hope she apologized for that one. For someone who wonders if others realize there are real people flying these ships, that comment is way out of line.
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:42:00 - [504] Originally by: Cearain I would hope she apologized for that one. She didn't. Prodesse Non Nocere
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:42:00 - [505] I was commisioned this picture, don't get mad at me
Ran Khanon Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:44:00 - [506] Originally by: Boomershoot I was commisioned this picture, don't get mad at me My dear god! See how the C&P Parrot of Doom strikes down in furious anger! What excellence! Help us to make parrots game related today!
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:56:00 - [507] Originally by: Boomershoot I was commisioned this picture, don't get mad at me lol
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:57:00 - [508] Originally by: Boomershoot I was commisioned this picture, don't get mad at me
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:12:00 - [509] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku It may interest those who have been following this thread that it is now the stated position of the EVE Tribune that Ankhesentapemkah is an unsuitable candidate for the Council of Stellar Management. You can read my editorial explaining our reasons for taking this decision here. You can find a separate forum thread here. Independent journalism took a blow today...
Xenofarion Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:12:00 - [510] Originally by: Boomershoot I was commisioned this picture, don't get mad at me Wow, you actually did it heh 17 mil sent -- those who can, do those who can't, complain

Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:27:00 - [511] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Independent journalism took a blow today... Have you ever heard of editorials and opinion pieces?
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:29:00 - [512] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Independent journalism took a blow today... Have you ever heard of editorials and opinion pieces? Yes, I have.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:34:00 - [513] Originally by: Boomershoot I was commisioned this picture, don't get mad at me This is awesome ---
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.13 20:10:00 - [514] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku It may interest those who have been following this thread that it is now the stated position of the EVE Tribune that Ankhesentapemkah is an unsuitable candidate for the Council of Stellar Management. You can read my editorial explaining our reasons for taking this decision here. You can find a separate forum thread here. Independent journalism took a blow today... Yes, journalists who dont agree with you are by definition, "not independant"
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.13 20:22:00 - [515] Originally by: Boomershoot Intriguing. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.13 20:28:00 - [516] 17 mil sent VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.05.13 21:08:00 - [517] Think hard before you vote for this candidate...you might login one day and Ankh has turned the game into a turd which costs $15 a month to nibble on.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.05.13 21:29:00 - [518] this is possibly the last person anyone should vote for. this candidate, and others like it, are the reason CSM is fail. Spam-mailing every mission hub in eden, with threats that OTHER CSM's will move their lvl 4 missions to lowsec Vote Abstain - Let YOUR voice be heard. (Not Theirs)
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.05.14 05:03:00 - [519] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Spam-mailing every mission hub in eden, with threats that OTHER CSM's will move their lvl 4 missions to lowsec Seriously? L4s will never be removed from high sec. Not only are they a major part of the economic engine in game, but there's too many people who - for whatever reason - enjoy them and would likely leave Eve entirely if they were all removed. Have ANY of the candidates advocated this?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.14 05:36:00 - [520] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Originally by: Terminal Insanity Spam-mailing every mission hub in eden, with threats that OTHER CSM's will move their lvl 4 missions to lowsec Seriously? L4s will never be removed from high sec. Not only are they a major part of the economic engine in game, but there's too many people who - for whatever reason - enjoy them and would likely leave Eve entirely if they were all removed. Have ANY of the candidates advocated this? I don't think many would even seriously consider it, for the exact reasons you mentioned. VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!

Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.14 09:09:00 - [521] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Spam-mailing every mission hub in eden, with threats that OTHER CSM's will move their lvl 4 missions to lowsec Ah.... then i guess, i was dreaming this here: Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir Highsec rebalancing Level4 highsec missions are one big mistake. CCP should move them to lowsec or reduce mission rewards. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261 that Corbeau is the last person anyone shuld vote for, dude.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.14 11:13:00 - [522] Originally by: Cearain Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As major features in the next expansion, I'd love to see a full UI revamp, dynamically generated missions, and a factional warfare overhaul. I read through many of the changes you propose for FW. I tend to agree that the npc's (if they are going to exist in fw) should be balanced and I guess it would be ok to have corps that are in an alliance join fw. The other ideas you posted seem to be bug and exploit fixes for faction war. Are these what you mean by an overhaul? Or do you mean something bigger? What do you think about the idea of removing npcs from faction war plexes and simply notifying the player militias when they are entered so they can defend them if they want? The npcs would stay in missions of course but the occupancy effecting plexes would have no npcs. There could be a separate channel that reports what plexes are being occupied (and perhaps by whom and ship types) Also sometimes in some of your threads the idea of giving occupancy more meaning comes up. Do you think that is a good idea? If so what should be done? I do have bigger plans for FW, but the current priority is fixing the bugs and imbalances. After that, I'd like to see FW properly finished instead of being the half-baked expansion it is now. Ironically, the current NPC presence in the FW plexes hinders PVP, if you play for Amarr or Gallente, you even have to come with specific PVE ships to deal with them properly. Actual PVP is not encouraged in FW as all objectives and profitable activities are PVE based (plexing and mission-running). Adding LP for kills was a first step in the right direction, but unfortunately people often do not get LP even though they participated in the kill. CCP already agreed that the FW plex mechanic is flawed, and that people often do not find eachother for combat. Increasing the timer length obviously won't work either and only makes it more boring. I personally see a role for dynamic objectives which are broadcast to the whole militia. Such as: "A convoy will go from X to Y, clear the way and make sure that as many ships survive", with the opposing side receiving a "The enemy is transporting military equipment, it was last seen in X, search and destroy!". Or: "We're setting up a listening post in system X, defend us for 30 minutes so we can establish the defenses!" and the other side receiving a "The enemy is building a base in system X, you have a 30 minute window to destroy it before the defenses are activated!" The participants will then receive victory points, a standing boost, and loyalty points based on their successrate. With several of these going on at once, with mission objectives requiring specific kinds of ships, players will always find something to do.
Soraya Nol	Posted - 2010.05.14 12:29:00 - [523] And yet again you demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of eve. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I personally see a role for dynamic objectives which are broadcast to the whole militia. Such as: "A convoy will go from X to Y, clear the way and make sure that as many ships survive", with the opposing side receiving a "The enemy is transporting military equipment, it was last seen in X, search and destroy!". Or: "We're setting up a listening post in system X, defend us for 30 minutes so we can establish the defenses!" and the other side receiving a "The enemy is building a base in system X, you have a 30 minute window to destroy it before the defenses are activated!" The participants will then receive victory points, a standing boost, and loyalty points based on their successrate. With several of these going on at once, with mission objectives requiring specific kinds of ships, players will always find something to do. What triggers these events? Timers or number of players currently active in fw? How do you detect that? What if a convoy/defence event starts and there are no enemies to attack it? How do you prevent players from blobbing this and grinding it? You don't understand eve. These things you propose are too script driven and do not belong at all in te eve experience.
FatFreddy ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 12:32:00 - [524] I first didn't care about the CSM election, then read some stuff, voted for a candidate, done. Now, after reading the eve-tribune article, I made some research of my own (forum, your homepage, your curriculum vitae, "take care") and came to the conclusion that in my impression, you are not trustworthy and I would personally find it highly alienating if CCP would allow you into the CSM. Why? Because of 1) your self-presentation and the way you are treating your critics, which I think are doing their best to stay as constructive as possible in their effort in deconstructing what I perceive as your bubble; why do I think that? Because the less rational the critique towards you is conducted, the easier it is for you to dismiss it, which would not be in their favor. 2) Because of the "resume issue"; you stated your time on the CSM as "Employment" by CCP. I will start with my critique towards you at point 2) and quote from a post of mine on SHC to detail my point of view. Quote: Anyone who doesn't put everything they can on their CV which can have a positive impact is an idiot. However, if my understanding of language is correct, "Employment" has a very clear definition, meaning that someone hires you, you get a work contract and a wage. CSM delegate is no employment, it's a quasi-voluntary affair. Even if she gets the flight paid and free lodging - it is not employment. She was not an employee of CCP. Any good CV lists stuff like that under "other (work) experiences", "volunteering" or similar, and provides the necessary information if it was - paid, - unpaid - an internship, whatever, but the nature of the employment status has to be declared, clearly, on the CV. Listing it under employment suggests that CCP said "Hai, we're hiring you for a job, we sign a contract, you get xxx amount of money every month in exchange for xxx hours of work at our office, social security, you gotta pay tax and the time worked for us counts towards your pension". This isn't the case. CCP didnt' want her for a job, she was elected by the players of a game into a player-committee. This has to be clearly stated on the CV I'm impressed I bother so much, but if there's one thing I can't stand, it's dumb lies to make yourself look better, especially when it comes to your skills/CV (on which you state "structured and logical thought" as your strength. How logical is calling something which wasn't an employment - an employment?). You can read the original discussion and my post here: http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=34202&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=255 Now, back to point 1) Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Trolls and people that quote out of context will not be replied to as they don't have any interest in what I have to say, but only want to twist my statements further. I have read this thread before I replied, and I think that the critique, which wasn't an obvious troll (most of those got deleted anyway, which is good) and didn't get deleted is valid, and clearly voiced what concerns 1) format (readability is key) and 2) content. Discarding questions you seem to find uncomfortable as "trolls" is not a feature of a person which displays itself as someone who wants to be a representative for everyone. I don't agree with your view on eve, your ideas for PVP, etc. etc. This itself does not pose a problem for me, for I think that this game offers possibilities for nearly everyone and nearly every playstyle and that you are perfectly entitled to your opinion as well as your efforts to get CCP to introduce changes you find good and necessary. I have, however, a problem with the fact that, in my perception, you lied on your CV/resume. I will also write an email with similar content to CCP customer support, asking if what you did on the CSM constitutes employment (as I stated above, employment does have a clear (legal) definition. If the wording on your CV is nothing but a mishap, you could've changed it easily.
FatFreddy ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 12:39:00 - [525] Edited by: FatFreddy on 14/05/2010 12:46:55 I will further state in my email to CCP that I would not condone the fact that you would generate quite high expenses (flights and lodgings are not cheap at all) for CCP, which could be put towards things like - some more work-hours of ACTUAL CCP staff, which I am sure have more expertise than you, who DOES NOT AND NEVER DID work for CCP and displays a disdain against one of the core-principles of eve, with which CCP also advertises, namely a ruthless, harsh, unforgiving space crazyness. In lobbying against, you are essentially lobbying against the main reason I subscribed to this game; at the same time, you are also essentially declaring yourself that you do not want to occupy yourself with this core principle of the game. Since I think that when judging a matter, personal experience comes first, because while not having to fully understand every issue (god forbid), you have to have at least some understanding. In dismissing this core principle as "immoral", you are not only passing moral judgement, but you are also not giving the impression that you would fight for every issue everyone brought to you equally - but you advertise with that exact statement. I will also state in my email that I would like to know what one CSM delegate costs the company/year, and that I would absolutely not condone the fact that you, in my perceived dishonesty, would consume even a cent of what I pay for this game. To conclude, I provided you with a free bump, more attention and yet another opinion you might brush of as "troll". However, with your actions you also provided one the other candidates with now both of my votes.
Sanity Lost	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:15:00 - [526] I decided to read the CV and the attached covering letter and I canÆt see why people believe she was being misleading by listing her volunteer work for CCP in her employment history. IÆm from Britain and it is commonplace for volunteer work to be listed in your Employment history. The UK governmentÆs employment site even suggests that you do so. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/Helpapplyingforajob/DG_173655 So what does she say? Well first of all EvaÆs CV & Covering letter can be found here: http://evajobse.net/downloads/cvevajobse.pdf She has a section in the CV called ôEmployment historyö of which the first entry is as follows: CCP Games Hf., Reykjavik Council of Stellar Management Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, Documentation, Wiki-Implementation Here she states her title ôCouncil of Stellar Managementö and a brief outline of her duties as a part of that role. In her covering letter there is the following: ôAlways taking an interest in online gaming, I have been an elected Council Member of EVE OnlinesÆs Council of Stellar Management for one year, which is the maximum amount of terms an individual can serve on the council. This council consists of CCPÆs official player representatives, and are flown to Iceland several times to work closely with the lead developers to discern player concerns and provide solutions. Several of the solutions I proposed have even made it in the game.ö The CV and covering letter were clearly meant to be used in conjunction with each other. Since an employer would read the CV and the covering letter he would be lead to believe that she was an elected member of EVE OnlineÆs Council of Stellar Management. I do not get the impression that she was a game developer. IÆm sure this is what an Employer would feel after reviewing her application. I can see why she would be so keen to use this volunteer work in her employment history particularly since at the Utrecht School of Arts, Game Design and Development she was awarded a ôMaster of Arts Degreeö.
FatFreddy ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 15:34:00 - [527] Edited by: FatFreddy on 14/05/2010 15:35:47 Edited by: FatFreddy on 14/05/2010 15:34:28 Originally by: Sanity Lost I decided to read the CV and the attached covering letter and I canÆt see why people believe she was being misleading by listing her volunteer work for CCP in her employment history. IÆm from Britain and it is commonplace for volunteer work to be listed in your Employment history. The UK governmentÆs employment site even suggests that you do so. If you read my post again, you will find out that I state that she would be stupid not to put it in her CV and that I don't argue against putting it in there per se or her trying to look as good as possible on her resume, on the contrary - it's perfectly fine of course, and we all do it. You will also see that I don't claim that she tried to make the impression of having worked as a dev. I, however, have also learned/been taught to always separate - working for a wage and - volunteer work, or at least clearly designate it as such. This, she did not. Also not in the accompanying letter. A clean, honest CV would say "worked as a player-elected volunteer" or similar. Six words, done, and I would have never typed this. I am arguing semantics here ofc. Still. Definition of employment = primarily "working for a wage", employer = the dude/dudette/company that pays you a wage. The main characteristic of her "employment" at CCP/CSM was that she, herself, decided to run and got, next to several other people, elected by a fraction of the players, not by CCP because of her skills or talents. This isn't made clear. Instead, she chose to underline that she was part of the "official" council and "worked closely with developers" after "being flown to iceland", but leaves it open if she was appointed by CCP themselves or...not. Also, she states "Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, [...]" "From the unique perspective of a game designer, I found that I could have a positive impact, which is reflected by the changes implemented in the game" (p.4 of her CV, "professional attitude"). I am repeating my 2cents, so I'm stopping here; I think my point is clear and this is more nerdposting at once than I've done in a year or two.
Sanity Lost	Posted - 2010.05.14 16:52:00 - [528] Originally by: FatFreddy I, however, have also learned/been taught to always separate - working for a wage and - volunteer work, or at least clearly designate it as such. This, she did not. Also not in the accompanying letter. A clean, honest CV would say "worked as a player-elected volunteer" or similar. Six words, done, and I would have never typed this. I would agree with you. It would be clearer to state volunteer. Originally by: FatFreddy I am arguing semantics here ofc. Still. Definition of employment = primarily "working for a wage", employer = the dude/dudette/company that pays you a wage. Yes I agree. Each country has their definition of what employment is in legal terms. There is no point discussing that here since Eva has not claimed to be an employee of CCP. Originally by: FatFreddy The main characteristic of her "employment" at CCP/CSM was that she, herself, decided to run and got, next to several other people, elected by a fraction of the players, not by CCP because of her skills or talents. This isn't made clear. Originally by: FatFreddy Instead, she chose to underline that she was part of the "official" council and "worked closely with developers" after "being flown to iceland", but leaves it open if she was appointed by CCP themselves or...not. Yes I agree the manner in which she was elected wasnÆt made clear. She stuck to the positive with the fact that she was elected.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.14 19:53:00 - [529] Really, this whole thing about the CV is a storm in a teacup. The real issue is her repeatedly stated contempt for the players, contempt for the game and contempt for CCP. And the glaring conflict of interest of working for another game company which has a space-based MMO. That conflict alone should be enough to disqualify her, tbh.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:20:00 - [530] Originally by: Malcanis Really, this whole thing about the CV is a storm in a teacup. The real issue is her repeatedly stated contempt for the players, contempt for the game and contempt for CCP. Excellent! My kind of candidate. I don't want alliance puppets sucking up to CCP. I want them to tell them when they ** up. Furthermore, I * about the game all the time and so does nearly every other capsuleer I know. Contempt for the players, hell I have a **load of players I hold in contempt. A lot of them troll these very forums. So, thank you for further convincing me my votes are well spent with Ankhbear \o/

Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:22:00 - [531] I wasn't going bother voting on the CSM, but Ank just got my four votes. I don't agree with her position on some issues, but I do agree on her main stated focus of pressuring CCP on the finishing and polishing aspect of expansions, which are indeed being rushed out of the door in an increasing state of half-bakedness and brokeness, and left pretty much as such while CCP jumps into the next expansion. I believe this is one of the biggest problems EVE has at the moment. But aside from all that, she's ended up getting my votes because of the spine, character and determination she's demonstrated in the face of this preposterous character assassination campaign towards her. Emoraging volumes of tears - now even on EVE Tribute - at nitpicks over the precise words she use or didn't use on her personal CV? You are all coming across as a bunch of pathetic little whiny girls. F*ck off.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:56:00 - [532] Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria now even on EVE Tribute - at nitpicks over the precise words she use or didn't use on her personal CV? Mmmm hmmm. For those who are curious, what the Tribune actually pointed out was a history of bad judgment on Ank's part, showing that she simply does not understand the game, respect how CCP created it, and that she has a self-righteous sense of superiority that leads her to talk nonsense about how horrible people are who play the game as CCP intended. All of this was done, by the way, either with quotes that she wrote, in her own words, using her own character (the vast majority), or in a few cases with chat logs which have been verified by the people who were in them/saw them going on, but denied by Ank. We also pointed out that despite her claims on her CV, she was never employed by CCP (in fact CCP explicitly says that CSM delegates are not employed by CCP) and that she did not actually participate in "game design", unless everybody on the forums who suggests and idea to CCP is a "game designer". Just goes to possible motives for wanting to be on the CSM. Surely though, you're not an alt or someone who already supported Ank, and your wild misrepresentation of the content of the Tribune's article is just a coincidence.
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:19:00 - [533] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Surely though, you're not an alt or someone who already supported Ank, and your wild misrepresentation of the content of the Tribune's article is just a coincidence. Nice theory you got there. Though it lacks bite: would you like a copy of my CV so you can add whatever nitpicks you manage to find? I can also furnish you with private game logs, and posting history on unrelated forums. I'm confident you'll find there plenty of ammunition and things to get offended over and whine about to your heart's content.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:52:00 - [534] Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria Nice theory you got there. Which you 'disprove' by... doing exactly what I accused you of: deliberately misrepresenting the facts of Ank's own statements, in her own words. While, just coincidentally, parroting Ank's own denials of why her own statements matter. I particularly like that bit, it's Ank's "Sure I said crazy stuff that shows I don't know how EVE works and I'm hostile to those who play the game as CCP intended... but you can find bad stuff about anybody if you look hard enough!" I'm sure the fact that you're using Ank's own argument about why Ank doesn't have to justify let alone address her own comments is just a coincidence. I mean, after all, you told us that you had no affiliation or support for her before right now. What luck! Just a coincidence, I'm sure. And just as I'm sure of that, I'm sure that you accidentally missed everything of substance in order to dishonestly, oops, I mean accidentally, state that what we're talking about are mere "nitpicks" and stuff on 'unrelated forums'. Unrelated forums like, ya know, the forum we're posting on now, which is where most of her quotes came from. Here, I'll remind you, feel free to respond to the facts any time now: Quote: what the Tribune actually pointed out was a history of bad judgment on Ank's part, showing that she simply does not understand the game, respect how CCP created it, and that she has a self-righteous sense of superiority that leads her to talk nonsense about how horrible people are who play the game as CCP intended. All of this was done, by the way, either with quotes that she wrote, in her own words, using her own character (the vast majority), or in a few cases with chat logs which have been verified by the people who were in them/saw them going on, but denied by Ank. We also pointed out that despite her claims on her CV, she was never employed by CCP (in fact CCP explicitly says that CSM delegates are not employed by CCP) and that she did not actually participate in "game design", unless everybody on the forums who suggests and idea to CCP is a "game designer". Just goes to possible motives for wanting to be on the CSM. But hey, "Elect me to the CSM, I hate PvPers and more padding on my resume would be good, maybe next time I'll say that I didn't just work for CCP doing 'game design', but since I fielded questions from people I'll say I was employed as 'human resources management'. Oh oh oh! Since providing suggestions to CCP is 'game design' and people put those suggestions to me before I forward them on, maybe I was employed by CCP for 'lead game design'. Yeah..." may be a valid campaign pitch and we're just nitpicking it. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.14 21:52:00 - [535] I have to say I see considerable similarities between Ankh's supporters and those of Sarah Palin. No, I'm being perfectly serious. Take a look at this article on Palinism by Julian Sanchez, which is not too long and is worth reading in full, and then compare what Sanchez sees in the Tea Parties to what's going on here and in the other threads related to the Tribune's editorial. Both's supporters seem to be fueled by what Sanchez identifies as ressentiment: Quote: Ressentiment is a sense of resentment and hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of oneÆs frustration, an assignation of blame for oneÆs frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the ôcauseö generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of oneÆs frustration. The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability. Thus the more people demonstrate how thoroughly terrible a candidate Ankh is, the more it seems that her supporters, bristling at the contempt they imagine that PVP "elites" hold them in, support her, even though there are numerous other candidates far better qualified to represent their views. Just saying.
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:01:00 - [536] Dariah Stardweller is ankhbear's btw.
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:03:00 - [537] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero We also pointed out that despite her claims on her CV, she was never employed by CCP She did not claim to be employed by CCP.
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:08:00 - [538] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Malcanis Really, this whole thing about the CV is a storm in a teacup. The real issue is her repeatedly stated contempt for the players, contempt for the game and contempt for CCP. Excellent! My kind of candidate. I don't want alliance puppets sucking up to CCP. I want them to tell them when they ** up. Furthermore, I * about the game all the time and so does nearly every other capsuleer I know. Contempt for the players, hell I have a **load of players I hold in contempt. A lot of them troll these very forums. So, thank you for further convincing me my votes are well spent with Ankhbear \o/ Jezus you don't even have the fantasy to come up with different word choises.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:20:00 - [539] Originally by: Vinjita She did not claim to be employed by CCP. She listed CSM under "employment". Not, say, "hobbies", or "volunteer work", or "other interests", or anything other than "employment". I know that listing something under "employment" might just, unreasonably, be seen as "employment", but we'll just have to live with that mistaken impression, eh, eh? Of course, CCP had her sign an agreement specifically saying that the CSM was not employment, but who are we going to believe, CSM when they say they're not employing her, or her, when she says she was employed by CCP? She also listed things as parts of her "employment" with CCP that she simply never did for CCP, like "game design". CCP actually has a position called "game designer" (it's their dev position). Does "making suggestions to CCP" sound the same as that job description? Myself, I just can't figure out any possible motive for someone in the games industry to want to hold a position that they think they can put on a resume and describe as being employed by CCP doing "game design". Hrm... care to hazard a guess? ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:48:00 - [540] The biggest lulz will be if it turns out that piece you guys wrote on the EVE Tribune - along with all the trolling on these forums - horribly backfires, and contrary to its stated it intentions ends up getting Ank enough additional votes to get elected.

Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:53:00 - [541] Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria The biggest lulz will be if it turns out that piece you guys wrote on the EVE Tribune - along with all the trolling on these forums - horribly backfires, and contrary to its stated it intentions ends up getting Ank enough additional votes to get elected. Then the joke, sadly, will not be so much on the Tirbune as it will be on those who voted for her.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:04:00 - [542] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Here, I'll remind you, feel free to respond to the facts any time now: Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria lulz So, no, then. Of course, it'll be a damn shame if Ank gets elected and keeps an actually qualified person off the CSM. It's hardly something to celebrate. She doesn't understand 0.0,s he doesn't understand lowsec, she doesn't understand PvP, she doesn't even really understand PvE. There are far better carebear candidates if one wanted to vote for one, anyways. And it's not like CCP is going to advertise the thrill of mining or the awesomeness of mission running. There's a reason that all of their ads are about combat and fleet fights. Someone who will, at best, not help that and, at worst, hurt that will damage EVE as a game and as a brand. Cheering that on because you enjoy the thought of trolling for Ank... is kind of lame. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:54:00 - [543] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Here, I'll remind you, feel free to respond to the facts any time now: Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria lulz So, no, then. Oh, wait... you were seriously expecting me to waste my time answering your distorted opinionated crap and conspiracy theories?
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:57:00 - [544] Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Here, I'll remind you, feel free to respond to the facts any time now: Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria lulz So, no, then. Oh, wait... you were seriously expecting me to waste my time answering your distorted opinionated crap and conspiracy theories? You just did moron
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:04:00 - [545] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero or her, when she says she was employed by CCP? She did not say she was employed by CCP.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:05:00 - [546] Originally by: Vinjita Originally by: FinnAgain Zero or her, when she says she was employed by CCP? She did not say she was employed by CCP. dude you already said that. get the **** out of here.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:17:00 - [547] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 15/05/2010 00:21:35 Originally by: Vinjita She did not say she was employed by CCP. You voiced the same lie and then when I pointed out that, in her own words, Ank claimed that CCP employed her for, among other things, "game design". And when that's pointed out to you, you just go back to the original fiction that's just been refuted and claim again that when she says she's employed by CCP for "game design", she didn't say that. Again, who are we going to believe, Ank's own words or your claims about Ank's own words? Obviously we can't believe her if her words disagree with your claims. Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria your distorted opinionated crap and conspiracy theories So Ank's own words, posted by herself, are "distorted" and "opinion". Oh yeah, and Ank is many people and her own words, that she wrote, represent a "conspiracy" against her. It's an interesting game you (a person who just so happens to be parroting all of Ank's dodges but never supported or really heard about her before just now) are playing. And one that (what luck!) just happens to repeat all the dodges that Ank is using. That Ank has to rely on supporters, or alts, like this just shows that the accusations are 100% true. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:22:00 - [548] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero You voiced the same lie and then when I pointed out that, in her own words, Ank claimed that CCP employed her for, among other things, "game design". And when that's pointed out to you, you just go back to the original fiction that's just been refuted and claim again that when she says she's employed by CCP for "game design", she didn't say that. Again, who are we going to believe, Ank's own words or your claims about Ank's own words? Obviously we can't believe her if her words disagree with your claims. M8 i downloaded and read her CV. She did not say she was employed by CCP. So who is lying?
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:38:00 - [549] Originally by: Vinjita She did not say she was employed by CCP. You're repeating the same lie and over and over and over. Why? And rather obviously, people can read it despite your lies. Very first entry under "employment history" (ya know, those things that you're employed at?)... is CCP Games, where Ank claims that the CSM constituted employment (even though CCP had her sign a document which explicitly stated she was not employed by them). She also claims that her "employment" at CCP consisted of, among other things "game design", something that only paid and hired CCP employees (developers) actually engage in. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:48:00 - [550] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Vinjita She did not say she was employed by CCP. You're repeating the same lie and over and over and over. Why? And rather obviously, people can read it despite your lies. Very first entry under "employment history" (ya know, those things that you're employed at?)... is CCP Games, where Ank claims that the CSM constituted employment (even though CCP had her sign a document which explicitly stated she was not employed by them). She also claims that her "employment" at CCP consisted of, among other things "game design", something that only paid and hired CCP employees (developers) actually engage in. M8 i understand what you are trying to say. It is common for volunteer work to be listed in your Employment history. This doesnt mean you were employed by them. Eva wasnÆt lying when she listed her volunteer work under her employment history. I will say again. Eva did not say she was employed by CCP.

FatFreddy ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 00:52:00 - [551] Edited by: FatFreddy on 15/05/2010 01:00:32 Originally by: Sanity Lost post Thank you for a well-mannered discussion. I did not expect this. Quote: Yes I agree. Each country has their definition of what employment is in legal terms. There is no point discussing that here since Eva has not claimed to be an employee of CCP. Obviously, we differ in our interpretation/judgement of her wordings/self-representation/whatchamacallit, and I think this is a good point to leave it at that since I'm quite sure none of us can or wants to convince to other side at all costs - I made my best to point out my opinion as clear and rational as possible, and I got the same impression from you - the rest is up to the voters to decide, and I expect Ankh to be voted into the next CSM. Cheerio.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:07:00 - [552] Originally by: Vinjita she listed her volunteer work under her employment history. Eva did not say she was employed by CCP. I like it when you're reduced to contradicting yourself one sentence to the next. Do you even read your own lies before you post them, just to see how laughable they are? Your dodge is that while she said she was employed by CCP, she didn't really mean it because other people list non-employment under volunteer work. Yet again, "employment history" sorta, I don't know, points to things that you are "employed" for in your "history". What're the odds?!?!? No, no dodges now about "well, in Lower Mongolia..." or "Well, in the UK..." CCP, in specific, had CSM members sign documents which explicitly said that they were not being hired by CCP. To turn around and call that "employment" (oh, I'm sorry, we can't trust Ank's own words when she says she was employed by CCP because even though she said she was employed by CCP, people often put down non-employment as employment). To say nothing of the fact that she claimed that, while employed by CCP, she was employed doing "game design" among other things. Something of course which the CSM positions do not entail, at all. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:20:00 - [553] Originally by: FatFreddy Each country has their definition of what employment is in legal terms. Ank's claims disagree with the Netherland's own civil law on employment. Saying that it's considered "employment" in Micronesia has little bearing on the matter. Originally by: FatFreddy Obviously, we differ in our interpretation/judgement of her wordings/self-representation/whatchamacallit On one hand, we have Ank's own words saying that her terms on the CSM constituted employment with CCP. On the other, we have people saying that Ank saying that her terms on the CSM constituted employment with CCP doesn't count as Ank saying that her terms on the CSM constituted employment with CCP. I mean, honestly, Ank says "Employment history: CCP". And some people respond "See, she didn't just say that CCP is part of her employment history." ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:29:00 - [554] If you take a step back and a good breather from your prolific forum witch hunts and rantings, you do realize how much you are sounding like Glenn Beck, don't you? Even down to the conspiranoid Ank-is-going-to-destroy-EVE weeping and doomsday sensationalization... quite fitting, since EVE Tribune is turning into the Fox News of EVE.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:34:00 - [555] You can address the facts any time now, or just troll harder. You're not very good at trolling though, I'd suggest growing a spine. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:37:00 - [556] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Vinjita she listed her volunteer work under her employment history. Eva did not say she was employed by CCP. I like it when you're reduced to contradicting yourself one sentence to the next. Do you even read your own lies before you post them, just to see how laughable they are? This is not a contradiction neither am I lying. It is common to list volunteer work under your employment history. By doing this you are not making a statement that you have been a contractual employee. This must be frustrating for you to understand but unfortunately is true. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Your dodge is that while she said she was employed by CCP, she didn't really mean it because other people list non-employment under volunteer work. No. She didnÆt say she was employed by CCP. She is perfectly entitled to list her volunteer work under her employment history. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Yet again, "employment history" sorta, I don't know, points to things that you are "employed" for in your "history". What're the odds?!?!? You are not obliged to solely put contractual employment in your employment history. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero No, no dodges now about "well, in Lower Mongolia..." or "Well, in the UK..." CCP, in specific, had CSM members sign documents which explicitly said that they were not being hired by CCP. I have no knowledge of any document that Eva may or may not have signed with CCP. This sounds very similar in context to a paragraph you may find in a volunteer agreement. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero To turn around and call that "employment" (oh, I'm sorry, we can't trust Ank's own words when she says she was employed by CCP because even though she said she was employed by CCP, people often put down non-employment as employment). Yet again she did not state she was an employee of CCP. Yet again Volunteer work is commonly listed in your employment history. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero To say nothing of the fact that she claimed that, while employed by CCP, she was employed doing "game design" among other things. Something of course which the CSM positions do not entail, at all. This one is a little subjective. This would be something to discuss with an employer and would serve no purpose discussing it here.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:50:00 - [557] I see, you just really like lying. Not all employment is contractual but, get this, all employment is, go figure, employment. Again, who'd a thunk it? It doesn't matter if people "not employment" under the "employment" section of a resume. Get this "not employment" isn't "employment" even if you say it is. I know, who'd a thunk it? I do admit though, I like these lies of yours. I can say I was employed in any number of jobs, but because people, somewhere on Earth, put down not-employment as employment, I'm not saying it's employment. I'll change my resume right now. Would you suggest that I should say I was employed as a secret agent, or just as the President of the United States? Originally by: Vinjita This is not a contradiction neither am I lying. It is common to list volunteer work under your employment history. "It is common for the Yano Mamo to consider beating a woman until she is disfigured by scars to be an act of love. Therefore, when someone beats the ** out of their wife it's not really abuse." Or even better "He didn't abuse his wife, he just beat the out of her. This is not a contradiction and neither am I lying." Yes it is, and yes you are. Originally by:** Vinjita She didnÆt say she was employed by CCP. I've already cited this, and everybody can see you're lying. Instead of saying that when she listed it under "employment history" she didn't actually list it under "employment history" (which is an obvious lie) why don't you just claim that she listed it under employment history but really she meant something else. That at least isn't laughable. Originally by: Vinjita This one is a little subjective. And again you show that your job (oh, wait, put that down on your resume under employment) here is to defend Ank with any degree of dishonesty at all. It's "subjective" as to whether or not people voicing their opinions are really engaged in "game design" as a part of their employment with CCP? Damn, I too have provided suggestions on the forums, I guess in addition to being the President of the United States, I should also list that I'm a game designer. Hrmm... CCP never paid me for my employment as a game designer. Maybe I should follow Ank's example and contemplate legal action?
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:00:00 - [558] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero On one hand, we have Ank's own words saying that her terms on the CSM constituted employment with CCP. On the other, we have people saying that Ank saying that her terms on the CSM constituted employment with CCP doesn't count as Ank saying that her terms on the CSM constituted employment with CCP. This really is where the problem lies for you. In EvaÆs CV she has an ôEmployment Historyö. In this section she is perfectly entitled to list any volunteer work. You do not have to solely list contractual employment. You see CCP listed under her ôEmployment Historyö and you believe this is a statement by Eva that she has been a contractual Employee of CCP. Uhm. No. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero and everybody can see you're lying Actually people can see that you are talking out of your arse. Keep it going EvaÆs votes double every time you post more of your nonsense.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:08:00 - [559] Ahhh, should've looked you up first. I'm sorry Ank, you a bit upset? Obvious alt is obvious.
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:17:00 - [560] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero "She didn't say she was employed by CCP." "Right there, she lists CCP under her employment history." "She didn't say she was employed by CCP." "Right there, there, in black and white." "Doesn't count" "...what?" Listing volunteer work under your employment history isnÆt a statement that you were a contractual employee. Get it yet? Originally by: FinnAgain Zero "Lots of people list things that aren't employment, as employment." "Does that mean that they're not listing them as employment?" "Well... no." "So they're listing them as employment?" "Yes." No. This is a CV. This not a contract. You may pretty much put anything you want to under your employment history. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero "So she was saying she was employed by CCP." "No, it doesn't count, because lots of people list things that aren't employment, as employment." No. She did not state she was an employee. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Here's a hint. There are two different phrases "work history" and "employment history". Guess which one means the history of things you've been employed to do, and which means everything you've worked at whether or not it was something you were employed at? You are correct. You are perfectly entitled to list both in your Employment history.

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:21:00 - [561] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 15/05/2010 02:24:27 Just stop lying. Try it, you may like it. I never said it was "contractual" employment, that's just your lie. You can't quote me saying that, because you're making it up. I pointed out that it's not employment of any sort, and that CCP specified the same exact thing. Originally by: Ank's Alt Who Hasn't Posted, Ever, Except in This Thread and the Tribune Thread You may pretty much put anything you want to under your employment history. I'd expect you to say that. And then to lie and say that putting it there doesn't mean you're claiming it's part of your employment history. But as long as you're posting to the thread with more dishonesty, Ank, please explain how you're totally against removing term limits and to prove how against them you are, you're going to immediately take advantage of them. That's almost as good as "I just said I was employed, I didn't say I was employed!" ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:37:00 - [562] Anyone is entitled to put volunteer work in their employment history. This is not a lie. You are however making me laugh.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:43:00 - [563] Post with your main.
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.15 03:52:00 - [564] Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 15/05/2010 03:52:54 Originally by: Vinjita Anyone is entitled to put volunteer work in their employment history. This is not a lie. You are however making me laugh. So the other I went down to my local church and helped serve homeless people some piping hot soup. Shall I list the Vatican as an employer? You're right people are entitled to list volunteer work on there resumes, they just usually list it as, get this, volunteer work. People BS on resumes, this is pretty much a given. However, you weren't involved in "game design" anymore than I would be if I started a Features and Ideas thread. Also, post with your main troll.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.15 04:09:00 - [565] Finn, while I agree with most of what you're saying, you aren't winning yourself any friends. Calling people liars and flinging poop doesn't convert people to your side, even if they are liars and do deserve to have poop flung at them. Yeah, it's fun, but it doesn't actually serve your purposes.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 04:23:00 - [566] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Finn, while I agree with most of what you're saying, you aren't winning yourself any friends This is how I look at it: -most folks are capable of reading the evidence objectively and seeing what Ank has said in her own words, they'll make their decisions based on the evidence. -other folks are capable of reading the evidence objectively, and then seeing how Ank has tried to handwave it away and the dodges she's used, and they'll make their decision about her trustworthiness that way. -and a totally different set of folks won't read the evidence because Ank tells them not to, or they'll simply discard any evidence that isn't flattering of Ank. The first two groups will have already made their minds up, upon reading the evidence, without requiring a debate to choose. The third will have made their minds up before reading the evidence, and they won't require facts to choose. I'd wager that 99.9% of people, actually, will make up their own minds regardless of the arguments anybody in this thread makes, and they'll only decide based on the facts presented and not what people say about them. I'm not really trying (or caring) about making friends so much as I'm enjoying pointing out some folks' behavior. Most people, when presented with a situation, will form their own judgments and it will be the introduction of new facts, not other opinions about the facts, that will change their minds. This isn't persuasive writing, this is ranting. Oh yeah, and there's a fourth group of people, too. Alts who are most likely Ank. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.15 04:34:00 - [567] To be honest the deal about the resume is a minor point. I devote one paragraph to that, and somehow that's what everyone's talking about. But even without the dubious resume Ankh is simply far and away the worst candidate currently standing. Her own statements prove it--and the most anyone can muster to defend them is to accuse the people quoting her of trolling. Pathetic. PS: <3 Lady Spank
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 04:51:00 - [568] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku To be honest the deal about the resume is a minor point. I devote one paragraph to that, and somehow that's what everyone's talking about. 1) Agreed that it's minor, but it's also rather elucidative. Rather than just say "Yeah, I was padding my resume and I wasn't really employed by CCP and I wasn't really designing game content for them." (which I think all of us would have understood and most would have excused), Ank chose to use an alt to argue for why she didn't even do what she clearly did. 2) And of course it's the focus, because Ank won't address her own quotes, in her own words, made on her own character, that show what she thinks of PvPers and how she'd ruin the game if she got half a chance. She's actually done her best to brush them all aside and her supporters have, in turn, done their best to keep discussion away from anything substantive. Point out Ank's own words, and it's a "smear" that she won't address, her supporters will merely parrot her dodge (and it goes without saying that her alts will too). Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku But even without the dubious resume Ankh is simply far and away the worst candidate currently standing. Her own statements prove it--and the most anyone can muster to defend them is to accuse the people quoting her of trolling. That's totally not true. They can also accuse people of inventing the quotes, of 'nitpicking', of being on a crusade, of 'smearing' Ank, and a host of other dodges. It's like they've got a new thesaurus and, goddamn, they're going to use it!
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.15 15:54:00 - [569] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Agreed that it's minor, but it's also rather elucidative. Rather than just say "Yeah, I was padding my resume and I wasn't really employed by CCP and I wasn't really designing game content for them." (which I think all of us would have understood and most would have excused), Ank chose to use an alt to argue for why she didn't even do what she clearly did. Eva stated in her covering letter that ôI have been an elected Council Member of EVE OnlinesÆs Council of Stellar Managementö this should be clear. Most people are clear that her CV is perfectly acceptable. You are choosing to argue about it. You are also making a complete fool out of yourself.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 15:56:00 - [570] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 15/05/2010 15:56:40 Post with your main. Also, stop talking about yourself in the third person Ank, it's kinda weird. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!

Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.15 16:31:00 - [571] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Post with your main. Also, stop talking about yourself in the third person Ank, it's kinda weird. Yes, it's a person who has only ever commented on these issues. It could just as easily be an offended lurker as an alt. It's not like she doesn't have die-hard supporters, after all.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 16:53:00 - [572] True. Although I see no real reason for someone who's already on the record as supporting her to keep supporting her. But using an alt account to defend yourself does have advantages. It's true that until it posts with its main we don't know for sure who it is, but it seems much more likely that it's Ank logging on to defend herself than someone else, who's already defended her on another account, logging that one in. Especially since Ank hasn't been posting since the alt has been.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.15 18:29:00 - [573] Yeah, but Ank has been ignoring any detractors since about page 7. And this is one case where NPC corps don't always imply alts - she actually has supporters there. I'm not saying it's not an alt. Obviously, it could be. But it's silly to assume that you know for sure.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.15 18:41:00 - [574] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Yeah, but Ank has been ignoring any detractors since about page 7. And this is one case where NPC corps don't always imply alts - she actually has supporters there. Or, maybe it's a noob alt of someone who is not in a NPC corp but just does not want ppl to know who their main is. Ppl do that you know
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.15 19:42:00 - [575] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Yeah, but Ank has been ignoring any detractors since about page 7. And this is one case where NPC corps don't always imply alts - she actually has supporters there. Or, maybe it's a noob alt of someone who is not in a NPC corp but just does not want ppl to know who their main is. Ppl do that you know It's almost like there was a second paragraph on my post that said exactly that.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.15 19:56:00 - [576] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Pathetic. PS: <3 Lady Spank With the amount of propaganda and outright lies she is spamming into mission and trade hubs of late she's guaranteed to get on the CSM. She's implying that every other CSM candidate wants to move level 4 missions to low sec. While her filthy smear effort is blatant to anyone reading this thread, the majority of people under her carpet-bombing of local spam and emails will just take it at face value and pass their vote to her. I find this to be disgusting behaviour for someone who is supposed to be representing the player base. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
Christian Schneider	Posted - 2010.05.15 21:08:00 - [577] posting in an epic thread of lolz! i voted for ankh.
seany1212 Stylo Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.15 23:07:00 - [578] Its only for CSM for **** sake, CCP arent going to take everyone of her ideas and implement them even IF she does get voted in, they'd be flushing there own game down the toilet. People are making out shes getting voted in directly as a CCP employee and its not like CCP are never going to check there forums for ideas and only go with hers, personally i would hate to see her get in because her ideas are against everything i do so to see them all implemented would turn me away most likely with many others, plus we always have merc contracts You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.05.16 04:09:00 - [579] Vote Ankh if you want Eve to be like Second Life with furry sex bars and all.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.16 10:02:00 - [580] Originally by: seany1212 People are making out shes getting voted in directly as a CCP employee Well, according to her CV... ...(just kidding, made you look)

Xunasy GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.17 04:13:00 - [581] Ankh get out of eve thanks, your the immoral s****who seeks to ruin this game for all.
Xutech	Posted - 2010.05.17 04:57:00 - [582] Perhaps we are being far too harsh and pedantic. Can Ankh simply say that it would have been better to have added the word "volunteer" to her CCP entry in her resume? I mean, if she were to admit that, it would defuse the situation. We could move on to other topics of discussion.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 07:42:00 - [583] Originally by: Xutech Perhaps we are being far too harsh and pedantic. Can Ankh simply say that it would have been better to have added the word "volunteer" to her CCP entry in her resume? I mean, if she were to admit that, it would defuse the situation. We could move on to other topics of discussion. The trolls would find something else to nit pick about I'm sure.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.17 08:30:00 - [584] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Xutech Perhaps we are being far too harsh and pedantic. Can Ankh simply say that it would have been better to have added the word "volunteer" to her CCP entry in her resume? I mean, if she were to admit that, it would defuse the situation. We could move on to other topics of discussion. The trolls would find something else to nit pick about I'm sure. With a candidate as bad as Ankh, the only thing you need to do to troll her is to quote her.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 09:03:00 - [585] No no, you have it backwards. Ank is such an awesome candidate that to quote her own words, at least if they don't paint a flattering picture of her, is slanderous and a blatant act of trolling. The fact that Ank's own words make her look bad just shows how horrible you are.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.05.17 11:00:00 - [586] [tinfoil]She's trying to get the votes of all those people that want to see the CSM to fail, it's reverse psychology![/tinfoil] --------
Derelicht	Posted - 2010.05.17 12:53:00 - [587] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Vote Ankh if you want Eve to be like Second Life with furry sex bars and all. Sounds great.
SamuelAdams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:09:00 - [588] Edited by: SamuelAdams on 17/05/2010 13:10:17 The hedonistic angst coming from the PVP mouthfoamers in this thread is hilarious. Oh, and anyone who suicides defenseless ships in empire is nothing but a griefing coward.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:38:00 - [589] Originally by: SamuelAdams Edited by: SamuelAdams on 17/05/2010 13:10:17 The hedonistic angst coming from the PVP mouthfoamers in this thread is hilarious. Oh, and anyone who suicides defenseless ships in empire is nothing but a griefing coward. I don't think you know what that word means. Stop using it. Also: Anyone who flies defenseless ships is a tool.
SamuelAdams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:50:00 - [590] Come back when you fully understand the game.

Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 14:45:00 - [591] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku The trolls would find something else to nit pick about I'm sure. With a candidate as bad as Ankh, the only thing you need to do to troll her is to quote her. Thank you for proving my point within such a short time frame.
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.17 15:38:00 - [592] Whoa, Finn and co. are still here regurgitating the same fecal matter. For someone you profess to loathe so much, you sure are devoting a staggering amount of time and energy to her. You seem to be seriously butthurt over this... why is that, did Ank anally rpe you with Cckzilla? Don't worry boys, have some milk and cookies, calm down and relax. Ank is not going to hurt you, or hurt EVE, or take away your toys. In the meantime, get mommy to stick her thumb up your bleeding rectums to stop the profuse anal hemorrhage from spilling all over these forums. Your integrity and credibility as "journalists" may have gown down the drain, but you still may salvage some personal dignity.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 16:20:00 - [593] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Thank you for proving my point within such a short time frame It's getting harder to figure out when you folks are trolling, and when you just fail to understand what's going on. Do you really not realize that he refuted your nonsense by pointing out that nobody was "trolling" Ank, and alleging that posting her own words is "trolling" is an absurdity? Or are you trolling about your refuted allegation of troling? Because that's meta, baby. Originally by: SamuelAdams Come back when you fully understand the game. Same question, are you unaware and lacking knowledge or trolling? Do you not understand how funny it is to see you using words whose definition you obviously don't know while you talk about how following CCP's intended game mechanics and possibly scoring some neat loot in the process is "cowardly" and wrong, and other people need to figure out how the game works? Or are you trolling? Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria Whoa, Finn and co. are still here regurgitating Same question, is this meta-trolling? Do you really, honestly not understand why Ank's own words aren't slanderous accusations about her, or are you trolling? I'd ask if you really don't understand that papers write editorials, literally, all the time and that posting facts doesn't make one lose credibility, but you and I both know that you're just trolling on that point, so why waste the time discussing it, eh?
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.17 16:25:00 - [594] Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria Whoa, Finn and co. are still here regurgitating the same fecal matter. For someone you profess to loathe so much, you sure are devoting a staggering amount of time and energy to her. You seem to be seriously butthurt over this... why is that, did Ank anally rpe you with Cckzilla? Don't worry boys, have some milk and cookies, calm down and relax. Ank is not going to hurt you, or hurt EVE, or take away your toys. In the meantime, get mommy to stick her thumb up your bleeding rectums to stop the profuse anal hemorrhage from spilling all over these forums. Your integrity and credibility as "journalists" may have gown down the drain, but you still may salvage some personal dignity. You know a forum is going downhill when people start making posts like this to preach about professional standards and dignity.
seany1212 Stylo Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.17 16:56:00 - [595] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto You know ankh's forum posting is going downhill when people start making posts like this to preach about professional standards and dignity. Fixed that for you You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:15:00 - [596] Originally by: seany1212 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto You know ankh's forum posting is going downhill when people start making posts like this to preach about professional standards and dignity. Fixed that for you Nah, that's not her style. She has vices, but forum vulgarity isn't among them.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:20:00 - [597] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Thank you for proving my point within such a short time frame It's getting harder to figure out when you folks are trolling, and when you just fail to understand what's going on. I'm sure it's all very hard to understand. You need to be an Einstein to understand why nit picking about this resume thingy is trolling.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:30:00 - [598] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller \ You need to be an Einstein to understand why nit picking about this resume thingy is trolling. Ah, so you were trolling. Of course, believing that something is important even if someone else sees it as minor is not, in fact, 'trolling'. Pretending that a difference of opinion on the importance of something is an attack? That is trolling. Likewise, you were responding to a statement about Ank's own quotes. Obviously, all of her forum posts and all of her chat logs are her own words and all of them were dismissed by you as "trolling" since you don't like their content. Pretending that quoting someone's own words is "trolling" is dishonesty designed to **** people off. In other words, you were trolling in order to claim that people were trolling. Like I said, meta baby.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:36:00 - [599] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Dariah Stardweller \ You need to be an Einstein to understand why nit picking about this resume thingy is trolling. Ah, so you were trolling. No, the nit picking about the resume is just that: nit picking. Going on and on about it just to make someone look bad is trolling. Anyone making a point about that clearly has his or her priorities wrong or is just plain trolling. Pick whatever suits you best
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:44:00 - [600] The reason people nitpick is because, once one person nitpicks, the other side pounces an easy argument to counter and blows it up. Also, because Ankhe and co. ignore Ankhe's statements. They refuse to reply, confirm, deny, etc... they just ignore the statements and continue calling out individual weak arguments. I'm sure Ankh and her supporters will, again, ignore this, but.. Originally by: Space Pinata Some of Ankhe's opinions: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs. I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space! Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah None of all that, instead most pod pilots are the filth of society, irrational, immoral and/or unstable infantile ****s that just want their next dose of short-term satisfaction on the expense of everyone else. Originally by:** Ankhesentapemkah Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time. Actually, is Eve a game at all? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. And some really juicy ones! Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah To me, 'watch digits on screen grow bigger' is exactly what Eve is to me. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Also, you can get more without making another player have less. Of course this method is far superior to the apparant parasiting you suggest. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters... Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't *****ing down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum. (Yes, fair representation. Even though we're parasitic scum.) All of these quotes can be found in this thread, if anyone doubts they are valid. I just thought I'd post them to save everyone else the trouble.

Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:52:00 - [601] Originally by: Space Pinata *snip Thank you for pointing out how stupid it is to squable about resumes when you have much better smear material.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.17 17:55:00 - [602] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Space Pinata snip Thank you for pointing out how stupid it is to squable about resumes when you have much better smear material. You're a tool. I'm pointing out that it's you (and like minded individuals) keeping that argument going. Some ankh detracters post a ***ed argument and you're milking it as hard as you can to avoid having to answer to the real things that make your candidate worthless. Then again, that's her entire campaign platform. "Say bull**, ignore it when it comes back to haunt me, scare carebears".
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:01:00 - [603] Originally by: Space Pinata Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Space Pinata snip Thank you for pointing out how stupid it is to squable about resumes when you have much better smear material. You're a tool. I'm pointing out that it's you (and like minded individuals) keeping that argument going. Some ankh detracters post a ***ed argument and you're milking it as hard as you can to avoid having to answer to the real things that make your candidate worthless. Then again, that's her entire campaign platform. "Say bull**, ignore it when it comes back to haunt me, scare carebears". Wear tin foil hats much?
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:03:00 - [604] Originally by: Space Pinata Ank makes me cry Don't worry , if she gets elected, it'll be my personal pleasure to lick your tears dry. Here, here, have some milk and cookies too. No need act like a complete emotard over some selective and decontextualized quotes someone may have said under a certain situation or another. If you don't like her and what she says, don't vote for her, simple.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:24:00 - [605] Originally by: Space Pinata bunch of quotes taken out of context Oh brother... I actually looked at the thread you got them from. After checking a few posts it just became blatantly clear that you are ripping things out of context again. Did not continue to check further. And you still whine about ppl not responding to this garbage? And like stated b4: get pretty much anyones chatlogs and forum posts and you can 'prove' just about anything about them. If you had mine you could prolly 'prove' I was a pedophile, a white supremacist, a ***-jew with a leather fetish, a communist, a capitalist, a terrorist, a homosexual tranny and a gangsta rapper.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:37:00 - [606] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller ]No, the nit picking about the resume is just that: nit picking. Going on and on about it just to make someone look bad is trolling. Anyone making a point about that clearly has his or her priorities wrong or is just plain trolling. Pick whatever suits you best No, seriously, stop trolling. Disagreeing with you is not trolling. Claiming it is, is trolling. Having different priorities than you is not trolling, nor is the definition of having the wrong priorities "disagreeing with you". Claiming it is, you guessed it. Just stop trolling. Speaking of which: Originally by: Dariah Stardweller smear material. Calling Ank's own words "smears" just shows that you are willing to use obvious lies in order to troll in support of her. Stop it. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller *bunch of quotes taken out of context Wow, you guys hit the talking points real quick. If you can't handwave away Ank's own words as "smears", then, why, they must be "out of context"! Except, of course there's still no context in which those comments aren't nuts. Unless of course your claim is that before all those quotes, Ank said "I don't really believe that..." Otherwise, she was endorsing the ideas. The ideas are nuts. Therefore, there is no context in which endorsing nuts ideas is not nuts. But please, provide the full quotes and show us the context in which her words become non-nuts.
Aliariam Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:40:00 - [607] Since context is so important, please re-read this chat log posted in it's entirety, no lack of context possible... In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. Terry Pratchett
Arcathra	Posted - 2010.05.17 18:55:00 - [608] Wow, some people do really have "problems" do start such a smear campaign against a candidate... disgusting... However Ankh has my vote. I like the topics and her focus in the CSM and I think she will represent my play style and me as a player very good. And I think she can seperate her very own opinions from her work as a CSM. I wish you good luck Ankh, don't let those trolls bother you
Dariah Stardweller Gallente The Knights Who Say Pew	Posted - 2010.05.17 19:04:00 - [609] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Dariah Stardweller ]No, the nit picking about the resume is just that: nit picking. Going on and on about it just to make someone look bad is trolling. Anyone making a point about that clearly has his or her priorities wrong or is just plain trolling. Pick whatever suits you best No, seriously, stop trolling. Disagreeing with you is not trolling. Claiming it is, is trolling. Having different priorities than you is not trolling, nor is the definition of having the wrong priorities "disagreeing with you". Claiming it is, you guessed it. Just stop trolling. Speaking of which: Originally by: Dariah Stardweller smear material. Calling Ank's own words "smears" just shows that you are willing to use obvious lies in order to troll in support of her. Stop it. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller *bunch of quotes taken out of context Wow, you guys hit the talking points real quick. If you can't handwave away Ank's own words as "smears", then, why, they must be "out of context"! Except, of course there's still no context in which those comments aren't nuts. Unless of course your claim is that before all those quotes, Ank said "I don't really believe that..." Otherwise, she was endorsing the ideas. The ideas are nuts. Therefore, there is no context in which endorsing nuts ideas is not nuts. But please, provide the full quotes and show us the context in which her words become non-nuts. 1) I never claimed disagreeing with me is trolling, that's the spin you are giving to it. Claiming I am claiming that disagreeing with me is trolling, is well, trolling. 2) Having quotes from someone where he or she uses strong language is better material for 'making someone look bad'(some ppl might call it SMEARING ) than argueing about how you should list unpaid work on your resume. Don't tell me you can't see that simple fact? 3) and yes, they are taken out of context, go see for yourself. Like the part about 'psycho virgins' or something. Ank is quoted calling players something like that. What the quote does not show is that she only copied that of the previous poster. http://eve-search.com/thread/715249/page/1#29 See, now that is taking things out of context. It's just one example but I cba to post more atm.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.17 19:44:00 - [610] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller See, now that is taking things out of context. It's just one example but I cba to post more atm. That's because everything that has been quoted was not out of context at all. It showed your ignorance and I'm afraid to say malignance in it's fullest and sadest glory. Everytime somebody disagrees with you and backs it up with arguments you dismiss it as troll. At first I thought you were just beining dim but in the run of this thread it kinda appeared to me you really believe that. It appears you're the kind of weltfremd person who lives in her own fanatasy believing herself somekind of genius. You will dismiss all critizism and experiences to the contrary as false or as personal attacks. Why do you think the other carebear candidates are not getting the responses you get?

Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.17 19:56:00 - [611] Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 17/05/2010 19:55:49 Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 3) and yes, they are taken out of context, go see for yourself. Like the part about 'psycho virgins' or something. Ank is quoted calling players something like that. What the quote does not show is that she only copied that of the previous poster. http://eve-search.com/thread/715249/page/1#29 Finally a substantive critique. Unfortunately I don't think the context makes Ankh look any better: Originally by: Ankh's post Originally by: Alowishus It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins. People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins But by all means read the original thread. EDIT: Also snipe
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.17 20:04:00 - [612] WHOA! Stop the presses! Ank is definitely guilty of counter-trolling someone on the forums, two years ago! ... The biggest lulz ofc is how you guys still totally fail to realize how retarded it is be so incredibly hung-up and butthurt over such things.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 20:19:00 - [613] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 17/05/2010 20:22:47 Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 1) I never claimed disagreeing with me is trolling You just did right above. You just said that if someone believes that her resume is significant then they are just "nit picking" and trolling. That was you, saying it, just now. Originally by: you, doing what you've just denied doing the nit picking about the resume is just that: nit picking. Going on and on about it just to make someone look bad is trolling. Why is it that so many of Ank's supporters argue this way? Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 2) Having quotes from someone where he or she uses strong language is better material for 'making someone look bad'(some ppl might call it SMEARING They'd be liars engaged in trolling. The point is not that she "used bad language", but that she endorsed a number of insane ideas that would hurt EVE. You know this, because people have told you over and over and over again and yet you dishonestly describe it in terms you know to be false. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 3) and yes, they are taken out of context - You posted one thing, if you want to refute more, you need to actually do that. - As it is, you didn't even refute that one quote, as nothing changes in full context. Someone says "It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins." Ank responds " People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins" It is dishonest for you to claim that this somehow shows that she wasn't saying what she said. But yes, Miya is right, progress is being made. Now instead of claiming that those who disagree with you about the importance of things are trolling, accept that people can have subjective preferences without trolling Ank (even if you really, really like her). And if you claim that quotes are out of context, show how the context actually changes them. All we've seen so far is that in response to someone saying that people who get upset about EVE are psychopathic virgins, Ank endorsed the idea that gankers are psychopathic virgins. That doesn't absolve her by any means.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.17 20:23:00 - [614] Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria WHOA! The biggest lulz ofc is how you guys still totally fail to realize how retarded it is be so incredibly hung-up and butthurt over such things. Pro tip: Posting a smiley in every post does not make you look less ******ed and butthurt. The other way around actually.
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.17 20:27:00 - [615] Originally by: Leil Ren'Do Pro tip: Posting a smiley in every post does not make you look less ******ed and butthurt. The other way around actually. It pleases me to see how closely you've been following every post of mine.
Wicked Child	Posted - 2010.05.17 21:16:00 - [616] This whole thread, has sold me on Anknametolongtotypekah. The amount of fear, drooling, hate spewing, and stalking generated by the simple mention of her name speaks volumes. She has the nullsec / lowsec/ ganker warriors afraid, and thats a good thing. Fear the AnkBear for she will one day rule the galaxy. She gets all 5 of my votes :D
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.17 21:58:00 - [617] Originally by: Wicked Child This whole thread, has sold me on Anknametolongtotypekah. The amount of fear, drooling, hate spewing, and stalking generated by the simple mention of her name speaks volumes. She has the nullsec / lowsec/ ganker warriors afraid, and thats a good thing. Fear the AnkBear for she will one day rule the galaxy. She gets all 5 of my votes :D Before you do esteemed and mentally stable voter, please consider she's a complete ****** and there are alternatives for anti nullsec/lowsec/ganker warriors as yourself. Check out this candidate Linkage Just for the carebear voter's consideration.
Sigmorhair Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.17 23:35:00 - [618] To be honest the level of "pvp play" is pretty low in this game, especially on the corp/alliance level. It would be nice to make the PVE experience better and maybe get some fresh blood into the game.
drake duka Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.18 02:42:00 - [619] Ankhesentapemkah: Please post a video pronouncing your name and explaining its origin. I've heard plenty of trolls/insults/**** talking in my time playing EVE, but I must say blaming a mother for her sons autism takes the cake. (Autism is not hereditary, just so you know) CCP: Please introduce a kind of vote which cancels out a vote for a candidate, I do not follow the CSM closely so I'm not fit to vote, I do however know exactly who I don't want in CSM.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.18 02:53:00 - [620] Originally by: Wicked Child This whole thread, has sold me on Anknametolongtotypekah. The amount of fear, drooling, hate spewing, and stalking generated by the simple mention of her name speaks volumes. She has the nullsec / lowsec/ ganker warriors afraid, and thats a good thing. Fear the AnkBear for she will one day rule the galaxy. She gets all 5 of my votes :D You are either: 1) A troll or 2) A bitter person who wants to spite others for the loss of your poorly fit internet spaceship. Please choose one.

Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.05.18 03:20:00 - [621] I haven't read all of this thread but it seems to be about the journey of a confused 8 year old girl with multiple personalities. Sad. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.18 05:30:00 - [622] Originally by: drake duka Ankhesentapemkah: Please post a video pronouncing your name and explaining its origin. I've heard plenty of trolls/insults/**** talking in my time playing EVE, but I must say blaming a mother for her sons autism takes the cake. (Autism is not hereditary, just so you know) CCP: Please introduce a kind of vote which cancels out a vote for a candidate, I do not follow the CSM closely so I'm not fit to vote, I do however know exactly who I don't want in CSM. If you want to cast an anti-Ankh vote, I'd advise Dierdra Vaal. Judging by her past runs, Ankh has an effectively guaranteed seat on the council, and I frankly expect her to do well enough to make a serious play for Chair. DV is the other serious contender for that spot that I can see, and he's generally a reasonable fellow.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.18 06:49:00 - [623] aaaaahhhhhh: i have an idea for the next CSM campaign aaaaahhhhhh: greate an alt... named.... Ankhesentapemkaa aaaaahhhhhh: and ill get a buddy of mine to supply the passport aaaaahhhhhh: repeat for number of buddies with passports MAZZILLIU FOR CSM 2010 CHECK OUT MY CAMPAIGN VIDEO
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.05.18 10:02:00 - [624] Is one of her issues with "pirates" that CVA got kicked out of Providence? So little dear Eva lost her stuff and 0.0 access? Navy Domi loss in highsec too? Dominix Navy Issue Ankhesentapemkah Frarn (0.8) 04/26/10 13:47:00 And not exactly PvP stats. Lifetime kills 9 Lifetime losses 141 I guess you tried it, failed and then went on QQ emorage. H0h0! Adapt or die as we say. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.18 10:25:00 - [625] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 17/05/2010 20:22:47 Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 1) I never claimed disagreeing with me is trolling You just did right above. You just said that if someone believes that her resume is significant then they are just "nit picking" and trolling. That was you, saying it, just now. Originally by: you, doing what you've just denied doing the nit picking about the resume is just that: nit picking. Going on and on about it just to make someone look bad is trolling. Why is it that so many of Ank's supporters argue this way? Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 2) Having quotes from someone where he or she uses strong language is better material for 'making someone look bad'(some ppl might call it SMEARING They'd be liars engaged in trolling. The point is not that she "used bad language", but that she endorsed a number of insane ideas that would hurt EVE. You know this, because people have told you over and over and over again and yet you dishonestly describe it in terms you know to be false. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 3) and yes, they are taken out of context - You posted one thing, if you want to refute more, you need to actually do that. - As it is, you didn't even refute that one quote, as nothing changes in full context. Someone says "It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins." Ank responds " People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins" It is dishonest for you to claim that this somehow shows that she wasn't saying what she said. But yes, Miya is right, progress is being made. Now instead of claiming that those who disagree with you about the importance of things are trolling, accept that people can have subjective preferences without trolling Ank (even if you really, really like her). And if you claim that quotes are out of context, show how the context actually changes them. All we've seen so far is that in response to someone saying that people who get upset about EVE are psychopathic virgins, Ank endorsed the idea that gankers are psychopathic virgins. That doesn't absolve her by any means. 1) Tell me how the resume thingy is relevant then. You either are trolling, or you lack the ability to focus on the things that matter if you think that it is relevant. And that's what I said. YOU twisted it into "everyone not agreeing with me is trolling". You're setting up straw man to make me look bad. That is trolling in my book... 2) Her ideas are far from insane in my book. She has very valid points if she says that outlaws have it too easy in hi sec. Hell, even a lot of the pirate crowd says they don't care about sec stat cause you can still move about pretty much freely as long as you don't autopilot and hover in one spot. For the record: I don't think pirates are mentally challenged or immoral or something like that. In that respect I seem to disagree with Ank. 3) Yes, Ank threw the psycho virgins comment right back in the trolls face. Or maybe you want to deny that comments like that are trolling? If you then quote only ank, you are taking things out of context, which was my point... 4) No, I'm not going to nit pick about every quote and post it. Anyone who does not suffer from tunnel vision can read the thread or one of the billion other threads or chatlogs posted here and see that things are taken out of context. 5)If you want to have a serious discussion, stop twisting my words and start admitting things are being taken out of context, when they are indeed taken out of context, like my example, since this repeat mode is kinda tiresome
Stroh Blatz Gallente Dirty Martini Clinical Operations	Posted - 2010.05.18 12:21:00 - [626] Stop High Sec terrorism! Suiciders should get an immediate -10 penalty.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.18 12:53:00 - [627] *mental note: do not get sucked in to everlasting threadnaughts next CSM election....
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.18 14:48:00 - [628] Edited by: Space Pinata on 18/05/2010 14:49:47 I like the people who prey on those too lazy to read the thread. "Oh, yeah, it's just trolling, Ankh said it, but yknow, the -context-..." There is no context in which a representative should be throwing insults at people. There is no context in which she should openly state that a demographic is inferior, and needs to be punished, not only in the context of the game but in person. Yes, she did bring up a 'mental institution', and on a softer note, temporary/permenant bans for 'antisocial pvp activity'. You can cover your ears (unless you're an Ankh alt, which would not surprise me) and pretend none of these things were said, or that they're out of context, but here's the rub... Ankh has not denied any of those comments. She has not apologized for any of those comments. If they were not what she truly believed, I think she would say so, don't you? She's had, what, 12 pages to simply say "I was angry at the time, I don't feel that way" or "My opinion has changed" or.. yknow, anything? But she won't do that. She won't deny the statements because she still believes in them, and thinks silence is the best way to deal with it. And why not? Other, bitter carebears will read that and cast a vote thinking they'll get back at all those evil mean griefers. And, so long as she can have alts / blind followers saying 'It's not real, it's out of context'.. well then. That offers protection from anyone who might be offended, provided they're easily lied to. -------- tl;dr: Answer me this, if you can't answer the rest, O Poorly Disguised Alt: How is a thread where Ankh(you) rant about changes she wants to criminal activity, followed by a tirade of insults to the PVP crowd, out of context in proving that Ankh is biased? You can see her opinions. They are extreme. They are openly stated in that thread, not revoked, etc. Saying they're out of context is like saying that, if a politician said "I hate <minority group> and think they are all worthless", it would be OK as long as it was not an official press release. Clearly, if it's not an 'official' (Read: Riddled with half truths and lies to sound good) statement, it's not how they feel, right? Edit: Just throwing out an 'in before' this post is ignored to pick apart something easier, or a massive rant against a single line.
Edith Bunker	Posted - 2010.05.18 15:02:00 - [629] Boost Concord! Boost Hulk efficiency!
Wicked Child	Posted - 2010.05.18 15:48:00 - [630] I may not agree with some of Ank's idea's, but i must say that DO agree with many of her idea's. I think having a voice on the CSM that is different and shakes things up is great. Love it or hate it, there is a large player base in the game that holds the same beliefs as Ank. These people want their voice and ideas heard and Ank will bring those ideas to CCP through the CSM process if elected. Eve is a sandbox, and in my opinion Ank is just asking for more tools to build her idea of a great Sand Castle. I like that.

Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.18 16:18:00 - [631] Originally by: Wicked Child I may not agree with some of Ank's idea's, but i must say that DO agree with many of her idea's. I think having a voice on the CSM that is different and shakes things up is great. Love it or hate it, there is a large player base in the game that holds the same beliefs as Ank. These people want their voice and ideas heard and Ank will bring those ideas to CCP through the CSM process if elected. Eve is a sandbox, and in my opinion Ank is just asking for more tools to build her idea of a great Sand Castle. I like that.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.18 16:32:00 - [632] Originally by: Wicked Child I may not agree with some of Ank's idea's, but i must say that DO agree with many of her idea's. I think having a voice on the CSM that is different and shakes things up is great. Love it or hate it, there is a large player base in the game that holds the same beliefs as Ank. These people want their voice and ideas heard and Ank will bring those ideas to CCP through the CSM process if elected. Eve is a sandbox, and in my opinion Ank is just asking for more tools to build her idea of a great Sand Castle. I like that. You realize Ankh has effectively been on EVERY csm, yes? When she hasn't been on herself, she's had a puppet on the CSM. Ignorance is sadly a deciding factor in elections..
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.18 16:52:00 - [633] Originally by: Wicked Child I may not agree with some of Ank's idea's, but i must say that DO agree with many of her idea's. I think having a voice on the CSM that is different and shakes things up is great. Love it or hate it, there is a large player base in the game that holds the same beliefs as Ank. These people want their voice and ideas heard and Ank will bring those ideas to CCP through the CSM process if elected. Yes, that's what the whiners in this thread don't seem to comprehend... In general, I agree with ank's views. And those views extend way beyond her view on how to punish ppl who break the law in hi-sec. And I agree with her general view on that too, mainly: ganking in hi sec has too little consequences. And like me, there are a LOT of ppl who support a lot of Ank's viewpoints (again, those viewpoints EXTEND WAY BEYOND HER VIEWPOINTS ON HI SEC CRIME). Look up her passed vote counts and tell me they were all Ank alts. That's another point, nearly everyone supporting Ank in this thread is called an alt at least one time. This must either be an attempt to troll the supporters or, and that would be a quite frightning thought: ppl are so narrowminded that they can't imagine anyone supporting (most of) Ank's viewpoints. I would like to make a comment on the 'harsh language' being used. I don't see why you should get mad by being called 'murderous vermin' if you are indeed playing the game being 'murderous vermin'. And blowing up innocent ppl for no other reason than your own lulz or profit, well, don't be surprised if ppl tend to label that like 'anti-social behaviour'. It's a game and I can see the fun of playing the bad guy (I might even join the piwate ranks one day if only just to experience that aspect of the game) but if you are playing anti-social psycho murderous vermin. Yes, ppl are going to call you that.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.18 17:01:00 - [634] Originally by: Space Pinata Originally by: Wicked Child I may not agree with some of Ank's idea's, but i must say that DO agree with many of her idea's. I think having a voice on the CSM that is different and shakes things up is great. Love it or hate it, there is a large player base in the game that holds the same beliefs as Ank. These people want their voice and ideas heard and Ank will bring those ideas to CCP through the CSM process if elected. Eve is a sandbox, and in my opinion Ank is just asking for more tools to build her idea of a great Sand Castle. I like that. You realize Ankh has effectively been on EVERY csm, yes? When she hasn't been on herself, she's had a puppet on the CSM. Ignorance is sadly a deciding factor in elections.. Once again, someone manages to focus on the unimportant details and leave out the main points.... He is supporting Ank because he 'agrees with many of her ideas'! And his exact words are ' I think having a voice on the CSM that is different and shakes things up is great.'. That does not have to mean that he supports ank cause she was never on the CSM b4.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.18 17:27:00 - [635] Edited by: Space Pinata on 18/05/2010 17:27:30 I think Jita should become a trade hub to be different and shake things up. Edit: I guess there are some bitter carebears who can get behind 'ban all the pvpers', though.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.18 17:51:00 - [636] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 1) Tell me how the resume thingy is relevant then. We've already argued that, and you know it. Stop trolling. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller You either are trolling, or you lack the ability to focus on the things that matter if you think that it is relevant. So again, if someone disagrees with you then they're trolling, or if they don't focus on only one issue and go and discuss others, why, then they're also doing something wrong. Again, if you can't support Ank without trolling, maybe you need to reexamine your arguments. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller You're setting up straw man to make me look bad. I quoted what you, yourself, weer saying. You said that people who thought that the resume was something worth talking about (eg. disagreeing with your appraisal) were, therefore, trolling. I know that an Ank-meme is "if my own words make me look bad then you aer trolling me!", but it's not a very effective dodge. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 2) Her ideas are far from insane in my book. Paraphrasing her ideas doesn't get around her actual quotes. Saying that people who enjoy ganking should be locked up in mental institutions is in-freaking-sane. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 3) Yes, Ank threw the psycho virgins comment right back in the trolls face Which means your denial is hollow and your claims of "context" are deceptive. She said it. Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 4) No, I'm not going to nit pick about every quote and post it. Yah, thought as much. The one quote you claim was taken "out of context" was, in fact, not taken out of context and meant exactly what people said it did. But you claim that there are a lot of others out that there are also inaccurate you just, um... hey, look over there! Originally by: Dariah Stardweller 5)If you want to have a serious discussion, stop twisting my words and start admitting things are being taken out of context So in other words, do not post your quotes if you think they make you look bad, and start admitting that even though you're wrong and refuse to actually cite any evidence, I should "admit" that your baseless and so far debunked claims are right. Hrm... why does that seem a bit odd? ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.18 21:44:00 - [637] This is a girl we should all feel sorry for. She tries so hard. Being confrontational and rude on the internet forums has thought her she can maintain the sad selfimage she has. But when provoked a bit, her idea of fighting trolls with trolls is to blame a mother for her autistic child. But besides her character and mental stability cleary being in need of serieus help, let's look at her ideas about eve. Can anybody put forward an original idea of hers that even remotly makes sence in eve? You can't, you know why? Because she does not care about eve. Let me repeat that. Ankhesmpatalkelal does not care for the game you play. She cares for herself and struggles whith her own world. Carebear voters, there are much better and more reasonable candidates out there for you. People who are actually passionate about the game you play.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 06:56:00 - [638] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 06:56:54 Originally by: Leil Ren'Do This is a girl we should all feel sorry for. She tries so hard. Being confrontational and rude on the internet forums has thought her she can maintain the sad selfimage she has. But when provoked a bit, her idea of fighting trolls with trolls is to blame a mother for her autistic child. Yep, so do most PvP gamers. They behave exactly the same, fighting and trolling carebear threads, insulting offending and flaming people, who play the game in a different way. Quote: But besides her character and mental stability cleary being in need of serieus help, let's look at her ideas about eve. Can anybody put forward an original idea of hers that even remotly makes sence in eve? You can't, you know why? Because she does not care about eve. Do you speak again about the majority of PvP kids out there? I mean have you seen and looked at some of the PvP threads? About the ideas from the hardcore pirates what to do with empire and miners? So you talk about those guys? æCuz what you wrote here, perfectly fits to griefers and gankers. Quote: Carebear voters, there are much better and more reasonable candidates out there for you. People who are actually passionate about the game you play. Like? Like this guy here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261
AncientGuardian Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.05.19 08:32:00 - [639] Ank. After reviewing (most) of the candidates for this seasons CSM. I was looking for professionalism in their presentation, and 'evidence' that the qualifications are present for such a role for CSM. I may not have agreed with your RP terms in the past, and much of the (ingame) quarrels that were stirred. However, I recognize that this is not a Role Playing event for CSM. So. Due to your professional ability to present your campaign, your background and career (IRL). I have decided that you get my vote. Though small, I hope other readers take notice of the same that I have. --- BTW, loved the background action (ships flying by) in your video interview. Quote: 'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts' Quote: If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.19 08:49:00 - [640] Edited by: Leil Ren''Do on 19/05/2010 08:49:55 Originally by: Resonanza Yep, so do most PvP gamers. They behave exactly the same, fighting and trolling carebear threads, insulting offending and flaming people, who play the game in a different way. They don't try to hurt people by blaming them for their autistic child. Originally by: Resonanza Do you speak again about the majority of PvP kids out there? I mean have you seen and looked at some of the PvP threads? About the ideas from the hardcore pirates what to do with empire and miners? So you talk about those guys? æCuz what you wrote here, perfectly fits to griefers and gankers. No it doesn't at all. And that you are not able to see that means that you are either yet again Ankh or indeed only 30 days in the game. The main point is that Ank does not understand eve, does not even like it. How can you expect a person who does not feel passionate about the game do a good job as csm member? Originally by: Resonanza Like? Like this guy here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261 Issler Dainze

Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.19 09:19:00 - [641] Because clearly !Ankh -> Corbeau
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.19 09:24:00 - [642] Originally by: Resonanza Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 06:56:54 Originally by: Leil Ren'Do This is a girl we should all feel sorry for. She tries so hard. Being confrontational and rude on the internet forums has thought her she can maintain the sad selfimage she has. But when provoked a bit, her idea of fighting trolls with trolls is to blame a mother for her autistic child. Yep, so do most PvP gamers. They behave exactly the same, fighting and trolling carebear threads, insulting offending and flaming people, who play the game in a different way. Yes, but do they then expect to be elected to the CSM?
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:11:00 - [643] Originally by: Face Palmer Yes, but do they then expect to be elected to the CSM? Yes, they do: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:30:00 - [644] Ankh is the greatest EVE player in history. Think about it. The point of EVE is to achieve whatever you set out to do, make a net profit in the process, and crush those who oppose you. Ankh is merely doing it on the meta level; she has set out to castrate EVE, this whole talk about trying to get "faek work experience on CV!!!one" shows possible indirect profit angle, and if she succeeds she will destroy the game for all those she dislikes. She uses tear-laden carebears and other Hello Kitty refugees the way 0.0 alliance leaders use their drones. She social engineers with the best of them (just look at this thread and her campaign). And SHE MAD. The quintessential EVE player. I didn't vote for her, because despite the massive trolling potential, she is so nuts and anti-EVE that you'd have to be profoundly handicapped to actually do so, but I will certainly applaud her if she ever succeeds in the task she has set herself. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Pyea	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:17:00 - [645] In much the same manner as Jita scammers spam mails to people in station Ankh has been doing the same in Motsu. Here's a mail I recieved just before downtime. Quote: It is important that you choose a candidate to represent your interests, a vote not cast means a vote for the 0.0 powerblocks, and do you think they will represent you? No! At least 9 CSM candidates want to move all L4 missions to lowsec, and they just generally disdain non-0.0 players. We don't want 9 of them on the CSM, thus important that you use your vote, to make sure the independent players and small corporations have a say as well. I could bore you with a lot more text, but instead made a professional movie which explains exactly how I intend to improve EVE. Watch it now: http:// If you just want to vote now without watching the movie, use this link in your ingame browser: http:// Thank you for your interest! Eva Jobse / Ankhesentapemkah So the gist of the message is "0.0 sucks, but it's ok, my alliance isn't a powerblock! We don't hate you like they do. Look here's a video. Don't want to watch it? Then vote for me anyway." TLDR: I'm leaving eve to play puzzle pirates and need a CSM vote to put on my CV! Send me a vote and I will send you 6 back!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:37:00 - [646] Originally by: Crumplecorn Ankh is the greatest EVE player in history. Think about it. The point of EVE is to achieve whatever you set out to do, make a net profit in the process, and crush those who oppose you. Ankh is merely doing it on the meta level; she has set out to castrate EVE, this whole talk about trying to get "faek work experience on CV!!!one" shows possible indirect profit angle, and if she succeeds she will destroy the game for all those she dislikes. She uses tear-laden carebears and other Hello Kitty refugees the way 0.0 alliance leaders use their drones. She social engineers with the best of them (just look at this thread and her campaign). And SHE MAD. The quintessential EVE player. I didn't vote for her, because despite the massive trolling potential, she is so nuts and anti-EVE that you'd have to be profoundly handicapped to actually do so, but I will certainly applaud her if she ever succeeds in the task she has set herself. In short: Ankh is the greatest Goon?
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:50:00 - [647] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Crumplecorn Ankh is the greatest EVE player in history. Think about it. The point of EVE is to achieve whatever you set out to do, make a net profit in the process, and crush those who oppose you. Ankh is merely doing it on the meta level; she has set out to castrate EVE, this whole talk about trying to get "faek work experience on CV!!!one" shows possible indirect profit angle, and if she succeeds she will destroy the game for all those she dislikes. She uses tear-laden carebears and other Hello Kitty refugees the way 0.0 alliance leaders use their drones. She social engineers with the best of them (just look at this thread and her campaign). And SHE MAD. The quintessential EVE player. I didn't vote for her, because despite the massive trolling potential, she is so nuts and anti-EVE that you'd have to be profoundly handicapped to actually do so, but I will certainly applaud her if she ever succeeds in the task she has set herself. In short: Ankh is the greatest Goon? She surpasses even Karttoon \o/ ALL HAIL EVA! o/
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.19 14:55:00 - [648] Quote: Yep, so do most PvP gamers. They behave exactly the same, fighting and trolling carebear threads, insulting offending and flaming people, who play the game in a different way. Name a carebear thread that isn't 'Nerf PVPers so I don't lose spaceships'. You are not morally superior just because you're afraid of losing your spaceship. Get over yourself. Although I see where Ankh gets her supporters from.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.19 16:39:00 - [649] Originally by: Space Pinata Although I see where Ankh gets her supporters from. At least that's a step in the right direction. You acknowledge that there is a playerbase that supports Ank. Till now "ANK ALT!!!!1!!!" was screamed nearly every time someone said something that could even remotely be interpreted as support for her. Now all you have to do is convince that playerbase that getting ganked is actually GOOD for them. Good luck with that.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:05:00 - [650] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Space Pinata Although I see where Ankh gets her supporters from. At least that's a step in the right direction. You acknowledge that there is a playerbase that supports Ank. Till now "ANK ALT!!!!1!!!" was screamed nearly every time someone said something that could even remotely be interpreted as support for her. Now all you have to do is convince that playerbase that getting ganked is actually GOOD for them. Good luck with that. Yeah, of course there are a lot of helpless people who support the candidate that can make sure they don't have to use their brains. Funny thing, I've never been ganked in all my years of EVE. I must have superpowers or something... (Or I take responsibility for my own safety, rather than crying for the devs to do it for me. ) You are still an Ankh alt.

Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:15:00 - [651] Originally by: Space Pinata Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Space Pinata Although I see where Ankh gets her supporters from. At least that's a step in the right direction. You acknowledge that there is a playerbase that supports Ank. Till now "ANK ALT!!!!1!!!" was screamed nearly every time someone said something that could even remotely be interpreted as support for her. Now all you have to do is convince that playerbase that getting ganked is actually GOOD for them. Good luck with that. Yeah, of course there are a lot of helpless people who support the candidate that can make sure they don't have to use their brains. Funny thing, I've never been ganked in all my years of EVE. I must have superpowers or something... (Or I take responsibility for my own safety, rather than crying for the devs to do it for me. ) You are still an Ankh alt. True, most ganks can be avoided. I never got ganked in hi sec in the years that I play, and I did not need superpowers for that either. You are still a whining troll.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:26:00 - [652] Quote: True, most ganks can be avoided. I never got ganked in hi sec in the years that I play, and I did not need superpowers for that either. And yet you think the people who do get ganked shouldn't be held accountable? You think they should get a free ride and a hug just for signing on? 'Cause that's pretty much Ankh's platform. She's even mentioned banning people for ganking as a good example of a justice system.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:42:00 - [653] Originally by: Space Pinata Quote: True, most ganks can be avoided. I never got ganked in hi sec in the years that I play, and I did not need superpowers for that either. And yet you think the people who do get ganked shouldn't be held accountable? You think they should get a free ride and a hug just for signing on? 'Cause that's pretty much Ankh's platform. She's even mentioned banning people for ganking as a good example of a justice system. ROFL! Yes, let's hold the victims of crimes accountable for being victims! "She deserved to get ****d cuz she did not fit a proper tank your honor!" You're a real piece of work buddy And on the banning, that's never going to happen and Ank even said herself that such a system was not for EVE.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:50:00 - [654] Edited by: Space Pinata on 19/05/2010 17:51:39 Quote: ROFL! Yes, let's hold the victims of crimes accountable for being victims! Laughing "She deserved to get **d cuz she did not fit a proper tank your honor!" This is a video game. I'm not sure if you noticed. Comparing getting a pixel spaceship blown up to a real crime is nonsense. It's not against the RULES to shoot people, only against the laws, which are designed to be broken. (Yes, if CCP wanted no pvp in empire, they'd simply make it impossible to do.) You're also assuming this is a world where something other than your own choices effects your circumstances. So, yes. Yes it is the victims fault. It's less "Person **d" and more "Person wanders into warzone, gets shot". They knew the risks going in. ...And the way EVE is designed, it's impossible to get ganked unless you're stupid / putting yourself in a situation where you have no control. There is no reason you HAVE to CHOOSE to be vulnerable. But, plenty of people do, and then are simply shocked when someone takes advantage of that. Remind me again why we need to protect stupid people in a video game about a harsh and unforgiving universe?
Soraya Nol	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:54:00 - [655] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Space Pinata Quote: True, most ganks can be avoided. I never got ganked in hi sec in the years that I play, and I did not need superpowers for that either. And yet you think the people who do get ganked shouldn't be held accountable? You think they should get a free ride and a hug just for signing on? 'Cause that's pretty much Ankh's platform. She's even mentioned banning people for ganking as a good example of a justice system. ROFL! Yes, let's hold the victims of crimes accountable for being victims! "She deserved to get ****d cuz she did not fit a proper tank your honor!" You're a real piece of work buddy And on the banning, that's never going to happen and Ank even said herself that such a system was not for EVE. You really have no idea how stupid you just made yourself look do you. This is actually the whole point. This is what you and almost all new players don't understand about eve. People enter this game with previous mmo experiences in mind. That's why almost everybody will rage disproportianly the first time he/she gets blown up. It's why most new player don't get why people pod eachother. Eve is another kind of game. You can't compare what you would consider griefing gameplay to griefers in for example wow on a pvp server. Completly different concepts apply. The day you understand that is the day you will see how big an idiot you've made of yourself.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.19 18:04:00 - [656] They'll never see that. They think blowing up a spaceship is comparable to a crime I can't mention due to a wordfilter. They want an all powerful entity to protect them from the world, because they sure as hell can't be expected to handle things themselves. They, subconsciously and (hopefully) fallaciously seem to believe that other people are so vastly superior to them, that they can't possibly stand a chance against them. They can't outfight, outsmart, or outplay people, and thus they're 'helpless' and need protection from CCP. Realistically, they could, but they're crippled by their own fear. I mean, honestly.. Do they really think 'pvp' players are some sort of unstoppable evil gods or something? A different species which they're completely unable to compete with? I'd like to think they have a bit more self esteem than that. But, no, even an army of invincible, unstoppable, unavoidable NPCs who kill anyone who attacks them.. is not enough to put them on even terms with those crazy PVPers!
venetian hare	Posted - 2010.05.19 20:15:00 - [657] your new vid baffles me. i never thought it possible to make yourself look even more r3tarded than you did in the old vid. it makes me wanna cry. and when i read your posts... O M G. i don't mind carebear candidates, but you... please leave our game alone. you can have all my stuff. please, i'm begging you. please.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.20 10:38:00 - [658] Originally by: Space Pinata Edited by: Space Pinata on 19/05/2010 17:51:39 Quote: ROFL! Yes, let's hold the victims of crimes accountable for being victims! Laughing "She deserved to get **d cuz she did not fit a proper tank your honor!" This is a video game. I'm not sure if you noticed. Comparing getting a pixel spaceship blown up to a real crime is nonsense. It's not against the RULES to shoot people, only against the laws, which are designed to be broken. (Yes, if CCP wanted no pvp in empire, they'd simply make it impossible to do.) You're also assuming this is a world where something other than your own choices effects your circumstances. So, yes. Yes it is the victims fault. It's less "Person **d" and more "Person wanders into warzone, gets shot". They knew the risks going in. ...And the way EVE is designed, it's impossible to get ganked unless you're stupid / putting yourself in a situation where you have no control. There is no reason you HAVE to CHOOSE to be vulnerable. But, plenty of people do, and then are simply shocked when someone takes advantage of that. Remind me again why we need to protect stupid people in a video game about a harsh and unforgiving universe? Ah, the 'don't compare a game to RL whine'. What a surprise... Comparing it to any RL situation is of course not needed to know how stupid it is to say that victims are accountable for being victims. The agressor is always the one who is 100% accountable for his own actions, unless you want to claim that you are mentally unstable and the voices make you attack ppl. There is no way you can go around that. The fact that someone is carrying a T2 BPO in a shuttle on afk autopilot does not force you to shoot at him for example.... That being said, you would have to be a 'bit careless' to haul T2 BPO's in a shuttle on afk.
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.05.20 11:58:00 - [659] while the victim isnt at fault for being shot, the victim IS at fault for the measure in which his loss affects him. If you pack all your belongings in a hauler and get shot, its your fault that you lost everything: you chose to take the risk of putting all your stuff in one easily shot pinata. A smart player doesn't have to lose much of his total worth at all even if he gets shot. Director of Education :: EVE University CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.20 12:38:00 - [660] Edited by: Malcanis on 20/05/2010 12:42:21 Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Space Pinata Although I see where Ankh gets her supporters from. At least that's a step in the right direction. You acknowledge that there is a playerbase that supports Ank. Till now "ANK ALT!!!!1!!!" was screamed nearly every time someone said something that could even remotely be interpreted as support for her. Now all you have to do is convince that playerbase that getting ganked is actually GOOD for them. Good luck with that. It is good for them. One should learn something from every ship loss. You're equating "painful" with "harmful". I've lost plenty of ships because I was dumb or just plain ignorant. Each loss taught me to be smarter or encouraged me to learn what I needed to know not to lose another ship in that way. Therefore I became better at playing EVE, and consequently lost fewer ships. But perhaps I should have just cried and whined about how mean and unfair it was that the big nasty bullies hurt my wittle feelings? And refused to learn anything? And blamed everyone but myself for my own stupidity and ignorance?

Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.20 13:00:00 - [661] Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 20/05/2010 12:42:21 It is good for them. One should learn something from every ship loss. You're equating "painful" with "harmful". I've lost plenty of ships because I was dumb or just plain ignorant. Each loss taught me to be smarter or encouraged me to learn what I needed to know not to lose another ship in that way. Therefore I became better at playing EVE, and consequently lost fewer ships. But perhaps I should have just cried and whined about how mean and unfair it was that the big nasty bullies hurt my wittle feelings? And refused to learn anything? And blamed everyone but myself for my own stupidity and ignorance? Pretty much sums it up TBQFH - good post.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.20 15:51:00 - [662] Originally by: Malcanis It is good for them. One should learn something from every ship loss. You're equating "painful" with "harmful". I've lost plenty of ships because I was dumb or just plain ignorant. Each loss taught me to be smarter or encouraged me to learn what I needed to know not to lose another ship in that way. Therefore I became better at playing EVE, and consequently lost fewer ships. But perhaps I should have just cried and whined about how mean and unfair it was that the big nasty bullies hurt my wittle feelings? And refused to learn anything? And blamed everyone but myself for my own stupidity and ignorance? Of course you can learn from your mistakes. But that was not my point in this case. My point was that it will be very hard to convince ppl that getting blown up is good for them.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.20 17:36:00 - [663] Edited by: Space Pinata on 20/05/2010 17:39:15 Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Malcanis It is good for them. One should learn something from every ship loss. You're equating "painful" with "harmful". I've lost plenty of ships because I was dumb or just plain ignorant. Each loss taught me to be smarter or encouraged me to learn what I needed to know not to lose another ship in that way. Therefore I became better at playing EVE, and consequently lost fewer ships. But perhaps I should have just cried and whined about how mean and unfair it was that the big nasty bullies hurt my wittle feelings? And refused to learn anything? And blamed everyone but myself for my own stupidity and ignorance? Of course you can learn from your mistakes. But that was not my point in this case. My point was that it will be very hard to convince ppl that getting blown up is good for them. Of course it's bad for you. But if you're smart, you learn something from it, and it helps you not get blown up again. Alternatively, you cry about it, play the victim. You're only a victim in EVE if you choose to be a victim. If I'm trying to pirate someone and get killed, am I a victim? Not really, no. The only way to be a victim is to be 100% harmless and 100% careless. In fact, there ARE NO VICTIMS in EVE. You sign up to play, you sign up for a competitive game. You'll notice that I don't sign up for a boxing tournament and complain when I get punched. So, yeah. If you let me shoot your ship full of BPOs, it's your fault. In this setting, no one would pass up a few billion isk off of a flying pinata. You're confusing "I take advantage of your tactical mistake, destroy your base, and win the game" with "I raid your city, murder actual people (who don't respawn), and destroy the way of life of thousands." It's a video game. You're not a victim. If you think you're a victim you're pathetic. Quote: The agressor is always the one who is 100% accountable for his own actions, unless you want to claim that you are mentally unstable and the voices make you attack ppl. There is no way you can go around that. So I was playing Team Fortress 2 the other day and I shot somebody. I must be mentally unstable for fighting other players in a game about fighting other players.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.20 18:50:00 - [664] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Malcanis It is good for them. One should learn something from every ship loss. You're equating "painful" with "harmful". I've lost plenty of ships because I was dumb or just plain ignorant. Each loss taught me to be smarter or encouraged me to learn what I needed to know not to lose another ship in that way. Therefore I became better at playing EVE, and consequently lost fewer ships. But perhaps I should have just cried and whined about how mean and unfair it was that the big nasty bullies hurt my wittle feelings? And refused to learn anything? And blamed everyone but myself for my own stupidity and ignorance? Of course you can learn from your mistakes. But that was not my point in this case. My point was that it will be very hard to convince ppl that getting blown up is good for them. Well my point is that it isn't hard to convince some people. And, oddly enough, those people are the ones who aren't crying for more protection, for the devs to save them, and the ones are aren't arguing for their own helplessness. The only "boost" that people like Ankh and the people that she claims to represent really need is for people to stop telling them how helpless they are and for them to stop believing that they're helpless. As soon as they start believing that they can save themselves - and that only they can save themselves - why then they wont need saving at all.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.05.20 19:28:00 - [665] Quote: The only "boost" that people like Ankh and the people that she claims to represent really need is for people to stop telling them how helpless they are and for them to stop believing that they're helpless. As soon as they start believing that they can save themselves - and that only they can save themselves - why then they wont need saving at all. This. The inferiority complex makes me sad. "I have all the tools you do, but feel you need severe handicaps to make it fair for me. And, despite said handicaps, I still feel I can't possibly stand a chance against you." Defending yourself in EVE doesn't take amazing ninja keyboard skills. Just a little planning and some basic knowledge. It's not that it's so difficult that we feel hardcore for being able to do it, it's that it's so simple that we can't possibly understand how other people are incapable. Helplessness is an attitude in EVE, you're never really helpless...
Disunia Vertas Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2010.05.21 11:20:00 - [666] Edited by: Disunia Vertas on 21/05/2010 11:23:17 Breaking news! Ankh openly said on a big dutch website she watches ****.. this should've come a few weeks earlier and gave you lots of votes. Watch from 2:10, the rest is about her buddies at the pirate party (what's in a name ). Click! So whats your favorite movie? Gallente Girls Gone Wild?
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.21 14:13:00 - [667] Originally by: Disunia Vertas So whats your favorite movie? Gallente Girls Gone Wild? My money is on Carebears Gone Wild: Rainbow Herpes.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:55:00 - [668] So is it griefing if the entire community bands up to kill Ankh if she somehow wins CSM and tries to make EVE into Hello Kitty Adventure Island? Because I really, really want to do that. Something with a catchy name...sorta like Hulkageddon II..ah. Ankhegeddon. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow. You DID say this
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:06:00 - [669] I enjoy a cheap laugh as much as anyone, but seriously, you're going to make fun of someone for watching **? It's so ubiquitous that even if someone specifically claims that they don't, I assume that they're lying. Also, Carebears Gone Wild isn't **, it's a documentary about people who refuse to shoot other players, but decide to let their hair down every once in a while and fly tackle.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.05.22 02:14:00 - [670] Someone who does not understand, condone, or appreciate the concept of PvP in EVE is not representative of the community. Ankh is not fit to be a CSM. She's a moron. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow. You DID say this


CCP Shadow C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:24:00 - [671] Another round of off-topic posts, spam, and a few insults removed. -- Shadow

Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:08:00 - [672] Originally by: captain foivos Someone who does not understand, condone, or appreciate the concept of PvP in EVE is not representative of the community. Ankh is not fit to be a CSM. snip Removed insult. Shadow. What makes you believe, that you have more ingame knowledge than Ankh? Care to elbaorate that or are you just out to insult and call someone names without backing up your claims?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:50:00 - [673] Just to remind you all that the election is over and that you can all calm down now.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 16:02:00 - [674] Originally by: Malcanis Just to remind you all that the election is over and that you can all calm down now. While the rage can calm down, many of the things she's said and done here can and should be used against her if she makes it on.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.23 20:03:00 - [675] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Malcanis Just to remind you all that the election is over and that you can all calm down now. While the rage can calm down, many of the things she's said and done here can and should be used against her if she makes it on. So, tell me, if you get elected, is there any chance you can actually WORK with her? Cause if you can't, it might be smart to step aside for someone who can. CSM members at each others throat do not make for a very effective CSM...
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.05.23 20:12:00 - [676] Originally by: Malcanis Just to remind you all that the election is over and that you can all calm down now. ** me sideways I just saw this thread, can I have an extension for being **ed off? ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 20:19:00 - [677] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller So, tell me, if you get elected, is there any chance you can actually WORK with her? Cause if you can't, it might be smart to step aside for someone who can. CSM members at each others throat do not make for a very effective CSM... I'm not sure it would be good for EVE if there was anyone in the CSM willing to make extensive compromises to some of the things she's posted. I don't know what all her important issues are but some of the stuff she has campaigned with is utterly ridiculous (the promise of 'banning all griefers', for example) and that, I certainly will not be able to work with.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.23 20:31:00 - [678] Well, CSM members disagree on stuff all the time and that should not be a problem if ppl just behave in a civil manner (read: NOT like in this thread ).
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 20:55:00 - [679] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Well, CSM members disagree on stuff all the time and that should not be a problem if ppl just behave in a civil manner (read: NOT like in this thread ). Precisely, and the most civil manner for everyone would be to just vote against her every single time she proposes something outrageous, but for her sake I will have to doubt that she will behave the same once 'in' as she did here.
Dograzor The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:20:00 - [680] Edited by: Dograzor on 23/05/2010 22:22:06 Ankh, Since I do read that you want to focus on fixing game balances, and have a neutral standing to all individuals, what do you propose on the development of lowsec for the people who permanently live there? As alot of the ingame money making is divided between highsec trading etc, en 0.0sec mining, R & D and plexing/ratting, what would you propose in order to boost the moneymaking in lowsec systems? There are quite alot of people who permanently stay in lowsec as combat pilots, pvp'ers, mercenaries etc. We need to have a steady income to fund our ships we lose on regular basis, and have to depend on eg. industrial highsec alts, which in my opinion, we should not have to depend on indy alts. If you campaign to work on fixing game balance, what would you do to give lowsec pilots some more "love"? Anyways, GL with your campaign, & feel free to drop by us anytime, we haz free cookies. (100% carebear friendly ofc, Yarrr... eh.. /care) =) - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"

captain foivos	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:36:00 - [681] What makes me qualified to say Ankh is a nitwit and doesn't understand EVE? Let me count the reasons... Number 1, I don't pretend like I'm unbiased or fair. Nobody is. If you claim you are you're deluding yourself. Number 2, I've enjoyed every aspect of this game except for flying a Supercap/Titan and producing drugs. Number 3, I've played for a good while. Number 4, I understand that EVE boils down to killing and making serious internet spaceships, and that the freedom granted to players makes this game the best MMORPG out there. Nobody else has even come up with a coherent PvP system, and Ankh here wants to nerf/Hello-Kittyize it. Number 5, I don't call my opponent's qualifications into question without providing reasons. There are more reasons, of course. I'm just not going to bother listing them. I will say this, however. If Ankh wins a CSM seat I, and most likely many others, will suicide gank her. Over. And over. And over. Until she realizes that this game is about non-consensual PvP, and that if she doesn't like it she should leave, not run for CSM. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow. You DID say this
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.24 10:10:00 - [682] Originally by: captain foivos What makes me qualified to say Ankh is a nitwit and doesn't understand EVE? Let me count the reasons... Number 1, I don't pretend like I'm unbiased or fair. Nobody is. If you claim you are you're deluding yourself. Number 2, I've enjoyed every aspect of this game except for flying a Supercap/Titan and producing drugs. Number 3, I've played for a good while. Number 4, I understand that EVE boils down to killing and making serious internet spaceships, and that the freedom granted to players makes this game the best MMORPG out there. Nobody else has even come up with a coherent PvP system, and Ankh here wants to nerf/Hello-Kittyize it. Number 5, I don't call my opponent's qualifications into question without providing reasons. There are more reasons, of course. I'm just not going to bother listing them. I will say this, however. If Ankh wins a CSM seat I, and most likely many others, will suicide gank her. Over. And over. And over. Until she realizes that this game is about non-consensual PvP, and that if she doesn't like it she should leave, not run for CSM. Internet tough guy talk from a NPC alt
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:10:00 - [683] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: captain foivos What makes me qualified to say Ankh is a nitwit and doesn't understand EVE? Let me count the reasons... Number 1, I don't pretend like I'm unbiased or fair. Nobody is. If you claim you are you're deluding yourself. Number 2, I've enjoyed every aspect of this game except for flying a Supercap/Titan and producing drugs. Number 3, I've played for a good while. Number 4, I understand that EVE boils down to killing and making serious internet spaceships, and that the freedom granted to players makes this game the best MMORPG out there. Nobody else has even come up with a coherent PvP system, and Ankh here wants to nerf/Hello-Kittyize it. Number 5, I don't call my opponent's qualifications into question without providing reasons. There are more reasons, of course. I'm just not going to bother listing them. I will say this, however. If Ankh wins a CSM seat I, and most likely many others, will suicide gank her. Over. And over. And over. Until she realizes that this game is about non-consensual PvP, and that if she doesn't like it she should leave, not run for CSM. Internet tough guy talk from a NPC alt If you like, I could say the exact same thing on my main and it would still be mostly correct and 100% applicable.
Shivani	Posted - 2010.05.24 22:30:00 - [684] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: captain foivos What makes me qualified to say Ankh is a nitwit and doesn't understand EVE? Let me count the reasons... Number 1, I don't pretend like I'm unbiased or fair. Nobody is. If you claim you are you're deluding yourself. Number 2, I've enjoyed every aspect of this game except for flying a Supercap/Titan and producing drugs. Number 3, I've played for a good while. Number 4, I understand that EVE boils down to killing and making serious internet spaceships, and that the freedom granted to players makes this game the best MMORPG out there. Nobody else has even come up with a coherent PvP system, and Ankh here wants to nerf/Hello-Kittyize it. Number 5, I don't call my opponent's qualifications into question without providing reasons. There are more reasons, of course. I'm just not going to bother listing them. I will say this, however. If Ankh wins a CSM seat I, and most likely many others, will suicide gank her. Over. And over. And over. Until she realizes that this game is about non-consensual PvP, and that if she doesn't like it she should leave, not run for CSM. Internet tough guy talk from a NPC alt If you like, I could say the exact same thing on my main and it would still be mostly correct and 100% applicable. This is, why Ankh is needed and will get the most votes. Dull, jealous Griefers, frustrated CSMs (like Sokratesz, who tend to forget to show respect to the paying customers). The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player. Respect the industrialist and carebears. I do that, though i am a mercenary. Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself.
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:54:00 - [685] I too am in an NPC corp, but i didn't vote for Ankh, have corp tickers showing and I'm not a take care alt. This makes me special in this thread. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 01:37:00 - [686] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 25/05/2010 01:38:43 Originally by: Shivani Originally by: Sokratesz tend to forget to show respect to the paying customers Remind me again, is calling paying customers sociopathic virgins a sign of respect? Originally by: Shivani I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player. Please do try. Maybe I'll even fire up my alt's locator agents and see if I can't get a few sweet faction Domi kills, and you can come visit the north. Oh, and I'm not sure how many folks are blue to Imperial Shipment, but killing blues is a pretty good way to get kicked from real corps and blacklisted by friendlies. Just saying. But props to you for at least understanding EVE more than Ank does. If someone does something you don't like, the best thing to do is to go and pop their ships and pod them home. P.S. Post with your main.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.05.25 03:15:00 - [687] Originally by: Shivani This is, why Ankh is needed and will get the most votes. Dull, jealous Griefers, frustrated CSMs (like Sokratesz, who tend to forget to show respect to the paying customers). The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player. Respect the industrialist and carebears. I do that, though i am a mercenary. Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. There's so much fail I'm having a hard time deciding where to begin with. "This is, why Ankh is needed" What, to stop people from killing people in EVE? To make all of our spaceships become cute, furry, delectable forest animals? "Dull, jealous Griefers" I live in 0.0 and kill people, thank you very much. I don't know what dictionary you're using to define "griefing" but I'm assuming it's the one that says any form of killing another player is verboten in EVE. Also, I will fully admit to griefing Hulks during Hulkageddon II and killing a CSM candidate's pod the other day (note the semantic difference). "The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude" I'll let that statement speak for itself. "I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player." Shivani's Salvager I strikes my Tempest perfectly, dealing for 1 armor plate and 2 tangled power conduits. Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not set blue to any tards like you, so expect to feel a sharp and fatal pain upon jumping into my alliance's territory. Also, you do not gank people in fleet battles. Also, you don't gatecamp blues. Also, you don't know who my main is, and to keep myself from having to deal with crap-faced evemails sent by the likes of you, nobody will ever know who captain foivos really is. "Respect the industrialist and carebears." I respect Chribba and a few others. Namely, the people I build capships with and pew-pew-lazor with. Respect is not given. It is earned. In closing: Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow. You DID say this
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.25 07:07:00 - [688] Originally by: Shivani Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: captain foivos What makes me qualified to say Ankh is a nitwit and doesn't understand EVE? Let me count the reasons... Number 1, I don't pretend like I'm unbiased or fair. Nobody is. If you claim you are you're deluding yourself. Number 2, I've enjoyed every aspect of this game except for flying a Supercap/Titan and producing drugs. Number 3, I've played for a good while. Number 4, I understand that EVE boils down to killing and making serious internet spaceships, and that the freedom granted to players makes this game the best MMORPG out there. Nobody else has even come up with a coherent PvP system, and Ankh here wants to nerf/Hello-Kittyize it. Number 5, I don't call my opponent's qualifications into question without providing reasons. There are more reasons, of course. I'm just not going to bother listing them. I will say this, however. If Ankh wins a CSM seat I, and most likely many others, will suicide gank her. Over. And over. And over. Until she realizes that this game is about non-consensual PvP, and that if she doesn't like it she should leave, not run for CSM. Internet tough guy talk from a NPC alt If you like, I could say the exact same thing on my main and it would still be mostly correct and 100% applicable. This is, why Ankh is needed and will get the most votes. Dull, jealous Griefers, frustrated CSMs (like Sokratesz, who tend to forget to show respect to the paying customers). The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player. Respect the industrialist and carebears. I do that, though i am a mercenary. Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. I was going to bake bitter cookies but I see you've monopolized the vital ingredient.
Shivani	Posted - 2010.05.25 12:47:00 - [689] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero P.S. Post with your main. Oh, i am going to post with my main(s) (plural!), if the others will do too. Originally by: captain foivos Originally by: Shivani This is, why Ankh is needed and will get the most votes. Dull, jealous Griefers, frustrated CSMs (like Sokratesz, who tend to forget to show respect to the paying customers). The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player. Respect the industrialist and carebears. I do that, though i am a mercenary. Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. There's so much fail I'm having a hard time deciding where to begin with. "This is, why Ankh is needed" What, to stop people from killing people in EVE? To make all of our spaceships become cute, furry, delectable forest animals? "Dull, jealous Griefers" I live in 0.0 and kill people, thank you very much. I don't know what dictionary you're using to define "griefing" but I'm assuming it's the one that says any form of killing another player is verboten in EVE. Also, I will fully admit to griefing Hulks during Hulkageddon II and killing a CSM candidate's pod the other day (note the semantic difference). "The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude" I'll let that statement speak for itself. "I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player." Shivani's Salvager I strikes my Tempest perfectly, dealing for 1 armor plate and 2 tangled power conduits. Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not set blue to any tards like you, so expect to feel a sharp and fatal pain upon jumping into my alliance's territory. Also, you do not gank people in fleet battles. Also, you don't gatecamp blues. Also, you don't know who my main is, and to keep myself from having to deal with crap-faced evemails sent by the likes of you, nobody will ever know who captain foivos really is. "Respect the industrialist and carebears." I respect Chribba and a few others. Namely, the people I build capships with and pew-pew-lazor with. Respect is not given. It is earned. In closing: Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. First off, my dear soon-to-be victim, i have undertaken far more extreme measures than ganking some blue or ganking someone, who was in the same gatecamp like me. That's why mercenaries have various mains. And a payment of 3 billion is worth the effort to invest some time to sneak into the alliances and corps. Ya, carebears got that many isk.... Second: You are only a cheap coward on an internetboard.: Quote: Also, you don't know who my main is, and to keep myself from having to deal with crap-faced evemails sent by the likes of you, nobody will ever know who captain foivos really is. Post with your main, but i figure, you have not the balls.
Xutech	Posted - 2010.05.25 13:25:00 - [690] "The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude" broken down: The majority - More than half of "paying subscribers" - The implication being that players who do not spend money are lesser players / or that spending money gives you a greater influence and a more important opinion. Or that the people with an opposite opinion to yours are not paying for their accounts, and therefore do not have an important opinion. Any opininion opposing yours would be a free opinion and therefore an unimportant one. Are non-pvp players - Interesting; would this be an assertion that more than half of the subscribing players do not even pvp once? or to be more fair, on a regular basis? and would this include industrial characters who carry out mining and industrial / research work for pvp groups? and don't like your attitude - so of the "enormous" group of players who pay money to CCP, you know that they do not pvp, and that they are united in their approval and disapproval of certain posters? this is extraordinary and a triumph of statistical analysis.

arbiter reformed Minmatar The Waiting Room.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:59:00 - [691] Originally by: Xutech "The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude" broken down: The majority - More than half of "paying subscribers" - The implication being that players who do not spend money are lesser players / or that spending money gives you a greater influence and a more important opinion. Or that the people with an opposite opinion to yours are not paying for their accounts, and therefore do not have an important opinion. Any opininion opposing yours would be a free opinion and therefore an unimportant one. Are non-pvp players - Interesting; would this be an assertion that more than half of the subscribing players do not even pvp once? or to be more fair, on a regular basis? and would this include industrial characters who carry out mining and industrial / research work for pvp groups? and don't like your attitude - so of the "enormous" group of players who pay money to CCP, you know that they do not pvp, and that they are united in their approval and disapproval of certain posters? this is extraordinary and a triumph of statistical analysis. indeed, id say rediculously so! i call shenanigans!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:57:00 - [692] Edited by: Sokratesz on 25/05/2010 19:57:28 Originally by: Shivani Post with your main, but i figure, you have not the balls. Oh hi Natana, how are you doing? Still bitter about being banned from eve-ger?
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:28:00 - [693] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 25/05/2010 19:57:28 Originally by: Shivani Post with your main, but i figure, you have not the balls. Oh hi Natana, how are you doing? Still bitter about being banned from eve-ger? I think you should have enough 'bitter' yourself to bake your cookies nao!
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:52:00 - [694] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I think you should have enough 'bitter' yourself to bake your cookies nao! I think you should go wash your vagina!
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.25 23:02:00 - [695] Originally by: Shivani Originally by: FinnAgain Zero P.S. Post with your main. Oh, i am going to post with my main(s) (plural!), if the others will do too. Originally by: captain foivos Originally by: Shivani This is, why Ankh is needed and will get the most votes. Dull, jealous Griefers, frustrated CSMs (like Sokratesz, who tend to forget to show respect to the paying customers). The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player. Respect the industrialist and carebears. I do that, though i am a mercenary. Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. There's so much fail I'm having a hard time deciding where to begin with. "This is, why Ankh is needed" What, to stop people from killing people in EVE? To make all of our spaceships become cute, furry, delectable forest animals? "Dull, jealous Griefers" I live in 0.0 and kill people, thank you very much. I don't know what dictionary you're using to define "griefing" but I'm assuming it's the one that says any form of killing another player is verboten in EVE. Also, I will fully admit to griefing Hulks during Hulkageddon II and killing a CSM candidate's pod the other day (note the semantic difference). "The majority of paying subscribers are non PvP Players and don't like your Attitude" I'll let that statement speak for itself. "I will make sure, of you Noobs gank her, you will get ganked over and over by me. And believe me: You will not like it being ganked in a fleet Battle or a Gate Camp by a Blue Player." Shivani's Salvager I strikes my Tempest perfectly, dealing for 1 armor plate and 2 tangled power conduits. Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not set blue to any tards like you, so expect to feel a sharp and fatal pain upon jumping into my alliance's territory. Also, you do not gank people in fleet battles. Also, you don't gatecamp blues. Also, you don't know who my main is, and to keep myself from having to deal with crap-faced evemails sent by the likes of you, nobody will ever know who captain foivos really is. "Respect the industrialist and carebears." I respect Chribba and a few others. Namely, the people I build capships with and pew-pew-lazor with. Respect is not given. It is earned. In closing: Your attitude is childish and disgusting, discrediting yourself. First off, my dear soon-to-be victim, i have undertaken far more extreme measures than ganking some blue or ganking someone, who was in the same gatecamp like me. That's why mercenaries have various mains. And a payment of 3 billion is worth the effort to invest some time to sneak into the alliances and corps. Ya, carebears got that many isk.... Second: You are only a cheap coward on an internetboard.: Quote: Also, you don't know who my main is, and to keep myself from having to deal with crap-faced evemails sent by the likes of you, nobody will ever know who captain foivos really is. Post with your main, but i figure, you have not the balls. Do you think you just made the number of people who want to gank her less or more?
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.05.26 00:52:00 - [696] After I posted the various links to what Ankh's said, I most definitely increased the number of people who want to gank her for being an idiot who could wind up as CSM chair. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow. You DID say this
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.26 09:21:00 - [697] Edited by: Dariah Stardweller on 26/05/2010 09:21:28 Ank came in second in the elections, followed by Dierdra Vaal. the 2 candidates I wanted in most made it with overwhelming support. Even that ol' sourpuss Sok made it in, though barely. Don't think he'll be able to bake his cookies now though.
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.26 11:32:00 - [698] Cough Why dont you tell us whom came first? (and that didn't require spamming trade hubs and evemails, lying to other players about other candidates to get missionrunner panic votes and the like) Really pleased the E-Uni candidate got in, that's the kind of balanced response needed on the CSM that has wider views and associates with more than a monoculture of the players. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Galgacus	Posted - 2010.05.26 12:00:00 - [699] Originally by: captain foivos After I posted the various links to what Ankh's said, I most definitely increased the number of people who want to gank her for being an idiot who could wind up as CSM chair. Look at you.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.26 13:48:00 - [700] Originally by: RedSplat Cough Why dont you tell us whom came first? (and that didn't require spamming trade hubs and evemails, lying to other players about other candidates to get missionrunner panic votes and the like) I see you have already started the smear campaign for the next elections And why don't you tell us who came fourth? See, I can ask pointless questions too...

Niraia Gallente Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.26 13:51:00 - [701] Eva, Congratulations on not making chair, it couldn't happen to a more deserving idiot. Eagerly awaiting your next ******ed flash game, Niraia
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.26 13:55:00 - [702] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: RedSplat Cough Why dont you tell us whom came first? (and that didn't require spamming trade hubs and evemails, lying to other players about other candidates to get missionrunner panic votes and the like) I see you have already started the smear campaign for the next elections And why don't you tell us who came fourth? See, I can ask pointless questions too... If you'd look up the messages she was spamming, you would find they were actually lies, half-truths and scaremongering aimed at herding ignorant folk into voting for her.
Ciralla	Posted - 2010.05.26 14:07:00 - [703] you are literally the worst CSM ever, and that includes Darius 'IM LOUD AND DRUNK" JOHNSON.
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.26 14:26:00 - [704] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I see you have already started the smear campaign for the next elections And why don't you tell us who came fourth? See, I can ask pointless questions too... Okay, first things first, everything i said was true. Legitimate criticism hurts huh. Better call it a smear campaign. Now, as for pointless questions, you made a point of not congratulating the person that got the most votes and whom becomes Chairwoman. Bitters much? Be magnanimous at what has been achieved and try and live with the fact someome thats obviously immoral and a real life sociopath because they PVP is the Chair. Predicting thread lock fairly soon. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.26 14:28:00 - [705] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: RedSplat Cough Why dont you tell us whom came first? (and that didn't require spamming trade hubs and evemails, lying to other players about other candidates to get missionrunner panic votes and the like) I see you have already started the smear campaign for the next elections Just so we're clear: does "smear" mean "tell unpleasant truths about someone" to you?
Ky Vatta Majority 12	Posted - 2010.05.26 14:39:00 - [706] And here are the results of the [url=http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=763&aid=105650]vote[/url] The odds of an EVE player having both a girlfriend and one that plays EVE...well let's just say it's up there with the universe deciding that existence is highly overrated and correcting the mistake
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.26 16:50:00 - [707] Edited by: Bagehi on 26/05/2010 16:53:39 We will have TeaDaze in CSM this time to document all the amusing things Ank says. Looking forward to the meeting minutes for this CSM! This signature is useless, but it is red.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.26 17:14:00 - [708] Originally by: Bagehi Edited by: Bagehi on 26/05/2010 16:53:39 We will have TeaDaze in CSM this time to document all the amusing things Ank says. Looking forward to the meeting minutes for this CSM! And with TD, no-one will be able to accuse us of being unfair or inaccurate in our transcripts!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.26 18:38:00 - [709] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller That being said, I would like to congratulate all elected members, that includes sourpuss Sok. Even if he is an alliance puppet. If you knew me, you'd realise that I'm probably as far away from an 'alliance puppet' as possible. I have been accused of getting in through bloc vote before so I will repeat my argument here. AAA is probably the least coherent alliance in-game when it comes to the CSM elections. The Russian community is very tight-knit so most of them will vote for korvin. Most of the BDCI votes went to Omber Zombie, a good part to other candidates (TeaDaze was popular), and most of the rest just doesn't give a **** about the CSM.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.26 19:17:00 - [710] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Dariah Stardweller That being said, I would like to congratulate all elected members, that includes sourpuss Sok. Even if he is an alliance puppet. If you knew me, you'd realise that I'm probably as far away from an 'alliance puppet' as possible. I have been accused of getting in through bloc vote before so I will repeat my argument here. AAA is probably the least coherent alliance in-game when it comes to the CSM elections. The Russian community is very tight-knit so most of them will vote for korvin. Most of the BDCI votes went to Omber Zombie, a good part to other candidates (TeaDaze was popular), and most of the rest just doesn't give a **** about the CSM. I'm just yanking your chain m8 . Even if you did get in through powerbloc voting, that's the way elections work: rally enough ppl to vote for you.

Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:20:00 - [711] Turns out you're the biggest fraudster out of all of us tips hat Well played, well played!
Ashai Hirishuma	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:09:00 - [712] Or not. Don't count your chickens. When the truth will out, then we will see.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.07.07 20:09:00 - [713] Originally by: Ashai Hirishuma Or not. Don't count your chickens. When the truth will out, then we will see. CCP's not talking, Ankh's not talking, and nobody else seems to know anything that they're willing to let on. Assuming this state of affairs keeps up, the truth is as out as it'll ever be. Have fun waiting for more.
Ciralla	Posted - 2010.07.07 20:11:00 - [714] hahah get ****ed
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.07 20:12:00 - [715] Originally by: Ciralla you are literally the worst CSM ever, and that includes Darius 'IM LOUD AND DRUNK" JOHNSON. I never thought I'd say this especially after Darius's attrocious job at commentating at the tourny. But Darius was good compared to you lot glad I didnt bother voting this time as my utter contempt of the CSM has been confirmed.
Courthouse Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.08 03:42:00 - [716] Originally by: Terrigal Originally by: Ciralla you are literally the worst CSM ever, and that includes Darius 'IM LOUD AND DRUNK" JOHNSON. I never thought I'd say this especially after Darius's attrocious job at commentating at the tourny. But Darius was good compared to you lot glad I didnt bother voting this time as my utter contempt of the CSM has been confirmed. Yeah but his fanfest presentation was top notch.


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