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TR24	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:53:00 - [481] Originally by: CavScorpion If at D/T every day they make a backup before making changes - why wouldn't they roll back to that and let it run on that DB whilst they worked on whatever problem they caused AFTER the backup during D/T The backup is basically a screenshot of the database. If the database broke right after Downtime, how would using an exact image with the exact same instability fix the problem?
Teibor	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:54:00 - [482] Originally by: CavScorpion I'm not really a computer guy so please don't flame me here for lack of knowledge if this is impossible/implausible... If at D/T every day they make a backup before making changes - why wouldn't they roll back to that and let it run on that DB whilst they worked on whatever problem they caused AFTER the backup during D/T Bearing in mind no one would be losing anything as the damn thing crashed pretty much immediately after D?T anyway so no one could really have accomplished masses in that short window? I think the point that your missing is that CCP are claiming that the problem is database related. It could be anything from someone unplugging the damn thing to something deciding it doesnt like fridays and frying itself.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:55:00 - [483] Originally by: Deleros Revo Informational updates in post number 1 is a thumbs up for CCP. This! Thumbs up.
Sjolus Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:55:00 - [484] Originally by: DJB16 Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: crashchick There is a easy method called Backup and Restore, if they dont have a DB backup then no wounder it takes so long AFAIK they backup every downtime. It's part of the reason FOR downtime. Maybe they're trying to repair the DB so that they don't have to roll back. they do part backups each downtime coz to so a backup for the WHOLE of eve in less than 10 hours would be impossible they doo rollbacks in reinforced noded systems coz they have second to min to min backups for checking for where problems arise so they can roll back them but not the whole of eve think bout how oftern the sisi servers is updated it takes MONTHS between them and mainly coz it takes HOURS to just copy 1/6th of the data that eve uses (at very most) You know nothing. That is all.
CavScorpion GZS-R Minmatar Fleet	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:56:00 - [485] Originally by: TR24 Originally by: CavScorpion If at D/T every day they make a backup before making changes - why wouldn't they roll back to that and let it run on that DB whilst they worked on whatever problem they caused AFTER the backup during D/T The backup is basically a screenshot of the database. If the database broke right after Downtime, how would using an exact image with the exact same instability fix the problem? Sorry i don't understand that point - if the backup is done at the start of downtime - when there was no known issue - and then an issue was caused during changes to DB - the Backup DB wouldn't have the same instabilities as it was the DB "Screenshot" from before the ****up? - Like i said not a tech guy just trying to understand. CavScorpion CEO - GZS-R Minmatar Fleet
An Alt	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:56:00 - [486] We have a 2tb sans and we use realtime back up to racks of tape bots. Every file in the store can be reverted back 15 minutes at any time. Those tapes are removed and stored for 20 years (banking laws or some policy I'm not sure)
May Ke	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:57:00 - [487] Test Server = Lagging like hell, lol. How long til that crashes too? Then what will we do???
ImMattDamon	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:58:00 - [488] I farted in my Capsule and it REEKS!
Lykouleon	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:58:00 - [489] in b4 TUXFORD Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
Cheap Dude	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:58:00 - [490] Well... so much for going home earlier on friday for the CCP ppl

Orbite BioTech Industries	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:59:00 - [491] Edited by: Orbite on 07/05/2010 18:01:24 Originally by: ispyispy Originally by: DJB16 they do part backups each downtime coz to so a backup for the WHOLE of eve in less than 10 hours would be impossible thats partly why RAID systems were invented :) Ok - RAID isn't backup simple as that. It's redundancy intended to keep systems online during a partial failure of 1 or more drives/controllers. Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: Orbite snip Isn't that kind of backup really slow to restore from? Yes, it can be. Which could quite well explain extending downtimes when the cluster goes haywire. Really depending on the database, number of records, number of transactions etc etc. It's diffrent for every setup to be honest. Edit: Shortened that second quote, didn't look quite that long when answering it!
Sniffy McJiggles	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:59:00 - [492] The good news is we will get to mine planets soon.!!!
Diabolick	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:00:00 - [493] You guys complaining about sisi being busy, you do know why right? It has very little to do with Tranquility being down and very much to do with the fact that every account currently has 2 of EVERY faction navy and pirate ship accredited to it. They have to be redeemed like the other freebies CCP give out. Its in preperation for alliance tournament testing/training. Now that I've my 5 accounts done, I offer this info for free, GL crashing sisi :)
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:00:00 - [494] Edited by: Ascendic on 07/05/2010 18:00:49 Quote: All departments Funny how all departments can come together to fix this yet the game breaking lag and gridloading is hardly looked at with intensity. So all you idiots saying the content team does not help fix bugs can now STFU.
DJB16 Gallente DJB16 Empire	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:00:00 - [495] Originally by: Hei'di Originally by: Da'iel Zehn Wow, this is the longest EvE has ever been down outside of a patch downtime... And I've played for 4.5+ years. I'm hoping for the best. notsureifsrs then u must have a very short workign memory span cozs i can remember a few day long waits out side of patching
xGFRoSTYx Kingfisher Industries Halcyonidae	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:01:00 - [496] yup the test server is now lagging even with me sitting in a station ! Must be under strain coz everyones moving to SISI, WTF CCP, sort your **** out will ya!
Marcus Vorenius	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:03:00 - [497] give me a freakin break - the database is as good as the ISK you thow at it. Imagine one of the top-5 Investment banks going off-line for an hour ... not happening.
TR24	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:03:00 - [498] Edited by: TR24 on 07/05/2010 18:05:28 Originally by: CavScorpion Sorry i don't understand that point - if the backup is done at the start of downtime - when there was no known issue - and then an issue was caused during changes to DB - the Backup DB wouldn't have the same instabilities as it was the DB "Screenshot" from before the **up? - Like i said not a tech guy just trying to understand. Known issue** being the key words here. Say you're watching a movie, and from 1:06:05 to 1:10:10 the data on your DVD has been scratched. Do you think skipping back to the 1:06:04 is going to magically make the data from 1:06:05 on work? Nah, you need a disk doctor or some toothpaste. EDIT: Also pretend you didn't know about the scratch until you get to the part that doesn't work.
ImMattDamon	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:03:00 - [499] Oppps I **** my pant's.
Vorken Hator	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:03:00 - [500] I didn't have anything pertinent or relevant to say, but with the signal to noise ratio in this thread, I don't think anyone will care. My first post on the EvE forums! Yay ME!

Gravemind GER Caldari Fnord Works Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:03:00 - [501] The entire team is babies! SISI must be hosted on just one PC :P
Tai pei 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:04:00 - [502] Originally by: Vorken Hator I didn't have anything pertinent or relevant to say, but with the signal to noise ratio in this thread, I don't think anyone will care. My first post on the EvE forums! Yay ME! Actually shows how much we need the TQ server back onlin :D
T00NCES	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:05:00 - [503] Originally by: TR24 Originally by: CavScorpion Sorry i don't understand that point - if the backup is done at the start of downtime - when there was no known issue - and then an issue was caused during changes to DB - the Backup DB wouldn't have the same instabilities as it was the DB "Screenshot" from before the **up? - Like i said not a tech guy just trying to understand. Known issue** being the key words here. Say you're watching a movie, and from 1:06:05 to 1:10:10 the data on your DVD has been scratched. Do you think skipping back to the 1:06:04 is going to magically make the data from 1:06:05 on work? Nah, you need a disk doctor or some toothpaste. Great analogy!
Orbite BioTech Industries	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:05:00 - [504] Edited by: Orbite on 07/05/2010 18:06:09 Originally by: Marcus Vorenius give me a freakin break - the database is as good as the ISK you thow at it. Imagine one of the top-5 Investment banks going off-line for an hour ... not happening. I'm pretty sure the bank would have the money to throw at getting 5 9's uptime. Sure CCP could get 5 9's but your monthly fee would likely have to go up to pay for the extra hardware, licences and staff... Edit: 5 9's = 99.999% - Sorry, used to referring to it as that at work.
ZeroGSheep	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:06:00 - [505] whines at eve, whines at ccp, threatens to cancel all 17 accounts, arrrggghhh, EMO RAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!
Mirriam Frostbite	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:07:00 - [506] I wanted to vent my nerdrage, but with all the spam, this song came to mind: Waitress: Shut Up! Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg, bacon, spam and sausage without the spam. Wife: I don't like spam! Customer: Shush dear, don't have a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it, I'm having spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam, and spam! I bet I know what happened: Tech1: lets restart the server and fix it Tech2: ok, sounds good Tech1: oh oh, restart didn't work, maybe we should re-index the database Tech2: sounds good Tech1: oh oh, re-indexing did squat Tech2: onoz, where's the backup? Tech1: it somewhere on the backup server, it will take awhile though Tech2: do it, our players is waiting! etc
Teibor	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:07:00 - [507] Originally by: ZeroGSheep whines at eve, whines at ccp, threatens to cancel all 17 accounts, arrrggghhh, EMO RAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! Save that for when its not back up at the current expected time.
Watergaze	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:07:00 - [508] Originally by: T00NCES Originally by: TR24 Originally by: CavScorpion Sorry i don't understand that point - if the backup is done at the start of downtime - when there was no known issue - and then an issue was caused during changes to DB - the Backup DB wouldn't have the same instabilities as it was the DB "Screenshot" from before the **up? - Like i said not a tech guy just trying to understand. Known issue** being the key words here. Say you're watching a movie, and from 1:06:05 to 1:10:10 the data on your DVD has been scratched. Do you think skipping back to the 1:06:04 is going to magically make the data from 1:06:05 on work? Nah, you need a disk doctor or some toothpaste. Great analogy! Great anal logic!
asdadadad	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:07:00 - [509] THIS IS STARTING TO ** ME OFF, was funny reading al this **, but no amount of stupid comments will get me back in my fking pretend space ship type thing!!! RAR
ImMattDamon	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:08:00 - [510] Servers! UP!



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