The only thing that keeps anyone from pvping is the fact that they don't want to, regardless of the excuses they make up to justify it. If a person ants to do something, they find a way. It's like with kids who have dozens of excuses why they can't get their work done, but move heaven and Earth to make it to a party.

There is nothing wrong with not liking ship combat pvp even in a space ship game where MOST of the ships are combat ships, that makes you weird but not stupid. The stupid comes in when you think you should be immune to ship combat PVP in a ship combat PVP game just because you don't like it.

This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks.

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.

Excuses, or reasons? Realistically, both, because we're talking about a lot of people. It's easy to imagine that everyone would find something fun because you do, but it rarely works out that way.

Any time you add any content to a game, you draw people who are primarily interested in, and entertained by, that content. You might not understand or appreciate why, but there they are.

I don't think anyone's disputing that. The OP's question only makes sense in the context of EVE as a PVP-everywhere sandbox game. But if you're designing a game that is built around ship PVP, wouldn't you want to know why a significant percentage of your player base doesn't engage in it? Maybe some of the reasons are Working As Intended(TM), because there are a lot of flavors of "PVP," even if you restrict the term to people shooting at each other. People coming to EVE expecting duel- or arena-style PVP leave disappointed, because it's not that kind of game. People who get nothing out of PVP will still fleet up and follow the FC's instructions to defend their space, because it is that kind of game.

But maybe some of the reasons are worth addressing? Or at least, knowing?

That suggests there is some "problem" with the combat pvp. I don't see any, but then I didn't come into EVE with any preconceived notions of what space ship combat should look and feel like. I understood from the get go that playing EVE was about being the "captain" of a ship (not it's "pilot") and talk of individual skill or solo ship tactics ect don't mean anything to me. For me personally PVP is a tool, not the goal itself.

It is no mystery to me why even in pvp-centric MMOs like EVE a significant percentage of people try to avoid PVP (most mmo gamers in general don't care for pvp, which is why unrestricted pvp games like Darkfall are rarer than WoW clones).
Some people don't like that kind of competition and just want to "build" things or participate in other ways. Other people DO want to pvp but don't like to lose and thus won't "pvp" without an overwhelming advantage (or make excuses about why they don't PVP).

None of that is something CCP can "fix", no amount of tinkering will "cure" some people's dislike or aversion to combat pvp and I'd rather not see ccp or any other game company try to force that situation.

That suggests there is some "problem" with the combat pvp.

There's a flaw in that thinking. Maybe people who subscribe to this PVP game where player versus player in spaceship combat is supposed to be a central theme but has SO MANY MORE ASPECTS just aren't interested in participating in player versus player spaceship combat.

Why is that so hard for so many of you to grok? And try answering without a "gtfo" or some other similar childishness.

Some people don't like that kind of competition and just want to "build" things or participate in other ways.

If PVP is a tool toward a goal, then the latter view makes sense. If you go in knowing that you'll lose, you're not PVPing toward a goal. You're just costing yourself and your allies time, ISK, and their reason for fleeting up in the first place--unless your goal is ~gudfites~, of course.

Then we are fundamentally in agreement. I'm more interested in the thread as a source of information than as a manifesto for action.

10v1 = GF o7

umm, that math doesn't really work. How would you expect that one guy to say "gf" when 10 ships drop on him?

I would love to PvP but -A- don't want to undock

same way you expect the guy who just got cannon-rushed or 6-pooled to type "gg" regardless of whether he thought the game was "good" or not.

it's a matter of courtesy and sportsmanship

Not enough ISK I make... 5 days grind, 1 hour play (sold 30 plexes before, enough of that, everyone macroes their money)

Gank 3v1 attitude in EVE - eveytime no fun fights - it is all blob attacks, the outnumbered run and avoid combat.

3rd Reason, even 3 cruisers can't do Jack sh*** vs a battleship, bigger ship - no counter tactics, bring more bigger ships

This is absolutely incorrect.

Perhaps (for example) I know im going to lose my ship, or my fleet, but by fighting I prevent the opposition from fighting the OTHER fleet that is taking down the station that came out of it's last reinforce cycle. Perhaps I know i'll eventually lose my bomber, but guerilla warfare isn't about win lose, it's about making LIVING in the lands they just conquered a living hell.

None of that is the point however. The point is that some people have such personal problems that they can't even see themselves risking loss in a video game. There are videos on youtube of gamers actually crying after some kind of loss or another, and there have to be some of those folks playing EVE lol.

Action for what?

This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks.

EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why.

Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.

When I find another way to make ISK besides Incursions, and my training improves after a couple of months, I can see myself living in null for long periods of time. But for now? I shall carebear.

You'll never have "enough" ISK/SP for PvP, and the more you wait to PvP the less you'll want to do it.

Everyone here is complaining that they are outnumbered or out shipped, but that's the most fun in the game. Having to use all your focus to manage your ship to bring down a force greater than yours is the most gratifying thing you can do in this game.

Same reason as everyone else.

What's the point? When it's supposed to be 'meaningful PvP' where 'losses matter' why PvP for the 'lulz'? The motto's conflict.

Most people enjoy being better under pressure. The buzz from testing yourself and making the right decisions is second to none. Wouldn't expect a beta to understand tbh.

Its too big of a commitment, i would probably do it if warp disrupters didnt exist, at least you had the chance of getting out if things started to not go your way

Warp disruptors are not the problem; the problem is that the only means to counter them is going faster than the ship applying them, or ECM, or a module which turns your ship into bacon crisp. No idea where that came from, but I was referring to Warp Stabs making your ship a non-combat vessel by default.