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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:01:00 -
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Read CCP Zinfandel's new dev blog to find out!
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:02:00 -
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Someone said ORE?!?!!1111
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:04:00 -
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OMG GIFT! And where's the pink CCP Fallout? :D
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Conan Piter
Ways and Means
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Someone said ORE?!?!!1111
How do you do that so fast?!! Do you live in the server somewhere?
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Morscerta
Gallente Living in the Fridge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:04:00 -
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Awesome idea
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Kuar Z'thain
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:04:00 -
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Damn Chribba is fast.
Neat looking ship; can we get actual specs instead of RP-speak?
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:05:00 -
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Damn you're fast, Chribba.
So ... this is a ninja PI hauler? Cool. Cheers, CCP.
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Snake O'Donell
Gallente Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:06:00 -
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Came expecting something worthwile, like learning skills being removed. Left disappointed.
FU CCP. Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:07:00 -
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sexy cant wait to redeem You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout Read CCP Zinfandel's new dev blog to find out!
Arigatou guzaimasu!
Item DB | Sigs
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Ceq Amsander
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ceq Amsander on 24/06/2010 21:13:29 Specs?!!
Edit: Am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the Firefly class ship Serenity?
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:08:00 -
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Birthday present from CCP one day early!
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:08:00 -
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You guys really should let us link the special ships in game so we can show info on them. This one, the AT prize ships, etc. It's a pain waiting for someone to come along with a fitting that can be looked at in game. __________________________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Aranial
Gallente Empyrean Warriors Lux Caelestia
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:09:00 -
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me wants
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Xenofarion
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:09:00 -
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wtf.. I want nao!
Originally by: Ceq Amsander Specs?!!
also, this^ -- those who can, do those who can't, complain |
Dusty Meg
Shock-Wave Industrys Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:10:00 -
[16]
Now that looks like a nice ship
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Arboreal Feline
Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:11:00 -
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I assume that this will carry the new level of detail that the re-designed Scorpion has?
***************************** Sometimes I forget how dumb people are. Thank you for reminding me, OP. |
Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: SheriffFruitfly You guys really should let us link the special ships in game so we can show info on them. This one, the AT prize ships, etc. It's a pain waiting for someone to come along with a fitting that can be looked at in game.
QFT - all specialty, novelty, and gift ships should be linkable in game. I wanted to look up info on the Freki after it got fielded in the Alliance Tournament, but couldn't get the show info on it.
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Krotfric McEnchroe
Gallente Medical Mechanical Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 -
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Very nice looking ship that, hopefully it can use a covert ops cloak
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EYEDOLL
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 -
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Hurray.. another useless bearship.. first that shuttle, then that probing frig and now this. Another item to sell and replace with something useful v0v
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NeaxGrim
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:13:00 -
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so whats it do? hauler? or what?
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YarrMama
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:14:00 -
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Dang, more teasing by CCP - Give us some specs! Throw us a bone!
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:14:00 -
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I would like to thank CCP for everything from the server move, SP's and the new shiny...Excellent job and to all the speculators and tinfoil hat peeps hahahahahahahahahahahahah
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OrOr'Baroror
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:14:00 -
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So paying customers, just like anyone else, that happen to be on vacation and out of touch with the internetz while it can be obtained don't get it?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:14:00 -
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Pretty picture, but it completely left out what the specs/intended purpose are. PI is mentioned, Extraction is mentioned, but what exactly will it do? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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The Snowman
Gallente The Ascension Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:15:00 -
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So is this a one off ship, or will there be blueprints available to make more?
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Kleiner Vance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:15:00 -
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It looks awesome! gonna make a highsec alt and hold on to it. maybe make that guy a dedicated PI character. Thank you CCP!
This + Free SP = Awesome teusday.
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:16:00 -
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I was hoping for something like
"We found out why Dominion completely hosed massive fleet combats, fix is happening on tuesday!"
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"We decided to trash learning skills, you're all getting the skillpoints refunded, and all your attributes will be as if you had all V's"
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"We found a QA department"
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NeedMore Eggnog
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:17:00 -
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This is crap in every way possible.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:17:00 -
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Yes this is all very well lol... but does it defend?
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My Facebook! |
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:18:00 -
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Can I have a ship that sits in another system and I can get a remote live local feed from it instead? You see I don't have any interest in PI, and I'd like a gift that relates to something I do have an interest in, spying in other systems when I'm not really there.
No? Oh. -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining... |
Clansworth
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:19:00 -
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The question remains.. after it was 'converted' to a PI ship, is it still a viable salvage ship? (you know, something that ISN'T a destroyer?) This HAS been requested for quite some time. Intel/Nomad |
Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:21:00 -
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I think the ability to receive skillpoints as a gift is awesome, and opens up the possibility to BUY skillpoints (much like plexes), letting the newbies "catch up" with the veterans (and quieting them once and for all).
Don't know what the ship does; maybe it functions as a personal customs office (they hint it's hard to probe down, so park it on the other side of the planet, and you get a chance to avoid the gank-spot that the customs office location has become).
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Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth The question remains.. after it was 'converted' to a PI ship, is it still a viable salvage ship? (you know, something that ISN'T a destroyer?) This HAS been requested for quite some time.
Um... what about the salvacane?
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Clansworth
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Y Berion
Originally by: Clansworth The question remains.. after it was 'converted' to a PI ship, is it still a viable salvage ship? (you know, something that ISN'T a destroyer?) This HAS been requested for quite some time.
Um... what about the salvacane?
Yeah.. i guess I should have been more specific... A viable salvage ship that isn't a COMBAT ship...
Oh yeah.. and get rid of the d^&*YMNAD 5 minute post timer... it's really quite ridiculous... Intel/Nomad |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Yes this is all very well lol... but does it defend?
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More importantly, does it have whirly bit? ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Laconis Dax
Children of Armok
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:26:00 -
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Sweet. Thanks, CCP! |
Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:28:00 -
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Is this ship a one-off? I would like the ability to manufacture it. I like the design.
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:29:00 -
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Unexpected, fun bonus. Thanks!
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:30:00 -
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So I'm guessing the ship uses the special "bays", like the fuel and ore bays used by some larger ships, to only hold particular items? Any other numbers on it?
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Sable Blitzmann
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hertford I was hoping for something like
"We found out why Dominion completely hosed massive fleet combats, fix is happening on tuesday!"
or
"We decided to trash learning skills, you're all getting the skillpoints refunded, and all your attributes will be as if you had all V's"
or
"We found a QA department"
or
"We fixed the in-game font"
I was hoping for people like you to eventually STFU. Apparently, that'll never happen.
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:33:00 -
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That ship looks very good.
I would like to see the stats, and what it is good for... The fact that it cannot be produced means that not many people will use it, while it would deserve it because it's a very good design.
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GauteGodager
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:33:00 -
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Loving the design too !
And my guess for the ship would have some quite low cargo bay, some special "Planet Material Bay" with 5-20k m3 capacity (that can only hold PI stuff - like the other ORE ships have an Ore Bay), great speed/warp speed (for a hauler) and certainly not enough slots/bonus to make it anything else than a PI hauler ship for characters without hauling skills.
And prepare for the Primaegeddon (mine will be hiding in a hangar for sure)
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Darke Elune
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:34:00 -
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That is a very nice looking SHIP!! When I get mine I'll be able to quarantine the stuff from my oceanic planet to this and will use it to its maximum potential, thank you CCP!!! Not only that but will use it on all my PIs to its fullest.
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Your Client
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Luc Is this ship a one-off? I would like the ability to manufacture it. I like the design.
I think full production might mean something.... I highlighted why I think we'll have bpo's.
And, now that full production of this robust vessel is underway, I can safely announce that our agents will be delivering one Primae ship to each capsuleer in all corners of the universe, free-of-charge, to try out for themselves. We firmly believe in the proven technology ORE has to offer and trust that pilots everywhere will come to as well, having been given this unique, unprecedented gift to fly for themselves. No strings attached."
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Arboreal Feline
Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Luc Is this ship a one-off? I would like the ability to manufacture it. I like the design.
Seconded. If this ship has an actual purpose related to PI, then I think it deserves to have Blueprints seeded. In the past, we've been given shuttles that have a new model, and maybe a larger cargo-bay, or the ability to scan, but are basically eye-candy; I'm fine with these being limited availability.
This is a ship that fills a niche role, and thus deserves to be more widely available, as opposed to a once off gift. Your signature was nothing more than an insult, and it had to go. Shadow. |
Jurai Talar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:36:00 -
[47]
Neat, thank you CCP!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:37:00 -
[48]
Weeeeeeeee! Yay!
Awesome :-) |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:37:00 -
[49]
DAMMIT! That ship makes me wanna get into planetary interaction. And I'm willing to bet that's the whole purpose of this "gift" ; to get us hooked on PI.
Well...
It's working
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Tokas III
Minmatar Frost Fighters
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:37:00 -
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Thanks!
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Dan Kaneda
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:44:00 -
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Do want ! Awesome look ! Can't wait ! Two words ! Yay \o/
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Nishachara
Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:45:00 -
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Thats a very nice looking ship :D
Thank you :D
I certanly hope that this ships will not be a one time offer, but will be available for production :D
Also finnaly i have place to put those few tens of thousand excess bacteria and other things that are waiting my extractors to free themselves up for change of production :)
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democrities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:45:00 -
[53]
Can hardly wait tell one of these comes strolling into lowsec...
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:46:00 -
[54]
I am going to blow up every one I see.
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:47:00 -
[55]
I looked at it on SISI: Fitting Attributes Description
No model and no icon yet.
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GrimNeax
Amarr Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:49:00 -
[56]
looks like it can only hold 1 command center? surely not? --------- Wasnt Me! |
GauteGodager
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: GauteGodager on 24/06/2010 21:53:44
Originally by: Arboreal Feline
I think full production might mean something.... I highlighted why I think we'll have bpo's.
And, now that full production of this robust vessel is underway, I can safely announce that our agents will be delivering one Primae ship to each capsuleer in all corners of the universe, free-of-charge, to try out for themselves. We firmly believe in the proven technology ORE has to offer and trust that pilots everywhere will come to as well, having been given this unique, unprecedented gift to fly for themselves. No strings attached."
I wouldn't count on BPOs, it wouldn't make the gift special enough if you can just rebuy some at Jita for 5m everytime you blow it up. In best case I'd say you would get the ship and/or a BPC from ORE LP store ...
After all, if ORE is giving each one of us a nice ship free of charge, it's probably just to get us addicted and then make us pay some not-so-sweet price for it
Edit for the Sisi pictures : that sound like some default stats to get the entry in database ... If that's the ship we get, I won't be the only one quite disappointed !
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jentaki
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
More importantly, does it have whirly bits?
^^ this
And info sheet please...
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:51:00 -
[59]
Off-topic posts removed. Carry on.
-- Shadow
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rootimus maximus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:52:00 -
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My guess is that it just has a boost to your scanning results.
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IlluminatedOne
Amarr Tycho Brahe Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi I looked at it on SISI: Fitting Attributes Description
No model and no icon yet.
Looks like a stub, not a real characteristics. Waiting for it to appear on TQ.
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: IlluminatedOne
Looks like a stub, not a real characteristics. Waiting for it to appear on TQ.
Well, it also has two specialized cargo bays for PI Commodities and Command Centers (1000m3 and 1600m3), so it may have its final stats already. description and image are probably changing. hopefully it gets a nice bonus :)
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Kay Rizen
Minmatar Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi I looked at it on SISI: Fitting Attributes Description
No model and no icon yet.
uhhh, a cruiser with a lot of armor/shields and a crap cargohold?
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Xenofarion
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas I think the ability to receive skillpoints as a gift is awesome, and opens up the possibility to BUY skillpoints (much like plexes), letting the newbies "catch up" with the veterans (and quieting them once and for all).
Yeah, let's convert EVE into yet another free2play pay2win game -- those who can, do those who can't, complain |
Menellaix
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:00:00 -
[65]
failboat
if i reprocess it, do i get any P4s?
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Boogie Bobby on 24/06/2010 22:04:54
Originally by: IlluminatedOne
Originally by: Qoi I looked at it on SISI: Fitting Attributes Description
No model and no icon yet.
Looks like a stub, not a real characteristics. Waiting for it to appear on TQ.
Hopin you're right.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:07:00 -
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I feel a new Hulkageddon prize category coming on...
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Lan Staz
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:09:00 -
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CCP> Hey guys, here's some free stuff Players> Its not good enough CCP> Uhhh.... but its free Players> We demand better free stuff CCP> OK, we've learned our lesson there. No more free stuff.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:09:00 -
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Thanks for the gift I don't want to appear ungrateful because its cool that CCP gives the players some unique ships and toys every now and then but I'm hoping it has a slot layout and a reasonable amount of fitting so you can equip it with mods for tanking etc and generally making it useful as the ship is a really cool concept and it would be a shame to waste the designers efforts if the ship is just a hanger ornament or high sec shuttle.
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:10:00 -
[70]
In this thread I see dead .... oops....err... I see people complaining about gifts. Get over yourselves you probably suck at pvp anyways, just as I do.
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OrOr'Baroror
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:16:00 -
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I would be pleased by this free gift if the time limit for obtaining it wouldn't be so incredible short for being in the summer holidays!
So just because I'm on vacation I should miss out on this? Even though I pay as everyone else and was equaly affected by the extended downtime?
Free is nice. But if it was fair it would be even nicer...
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LonTas 5
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:17:00 -
[72]
LonTas 5 is happy because he missed getting that weird little scanning/ probe thingy with the big sail on front.
GIMME GIMME! Please? LONTAS 5 |
democrities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Snake O'Donell Came expecting something worthwile, like learning skills being removed. Left disappointed.
FU CCP.
That's because you got hyped up in the senseless and baseless speculation.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson I feel a new Hulkageddon prize category coming on...
More like new things to suicide along with hulks?
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:23:00 -
[75]
WTF CCP, no card? No pretty bow? No giant box?
I am dissapoint...
Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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HORRIBLE AIDS
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:25:00 -
[76]
so can i refine this for some minerals to sell....
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Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:25:00 -
[77]
What a lovely gift. Thank you CCP.
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:25:00 -
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As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Xenofarion
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Boogie Bobby Attributes
Just noticed: That used to be a Salvaging Ship? With 10mm Scan Res? This explains the 60km lockrange though - start locking at 60km and once you're in salvaging range, the wreck is almost locked -- those who can, do those who can't, complain |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
I'll keep mine safe for you Eris. (to sell 3 years from now for a ridiculous amount of isk)
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: OrOr'Baroror I would be pleased by this free gift if the time limit for obtaining it wouldn't be so incredible short for being in the summer holidays!
So just because I'm on vacation I should miss out on this? Even though I pay as everyone else and was equaly affected by the extended downtime?
Free is nice. But if it was fair it would be even nicer...
it is fair. just pop online for a couple min, get your gift and get back. its like 5 days and not sont over powered win ship. if you cant get one when you are out i would love to sell you mine.
stop complaining and enjoy your vacation, the world will not end
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Originally by: N0A As a project manager for a team of 120+ programmers...
Boldly proving once again why no one takes management seriously.
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
PrimaeGeddon Indeed!
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orkorde
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi Well, it also has two specialized cargo bays for PI Commodities and Command Centers (1000m3 and 1600m3)
That makes it more interesting. A nice idea in the sense it makes it easy for everyone to try PI.
The complaints about a free gift are odd. If it isn't of use to you, sell it / trash it / store and forget.
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente Hermes Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:41:00 -
[84]
More ORE type ships please!
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Freak13h3
Minmatar Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:43:00 -
[85]
Thank you ccp, for this gift. I'm sure we will all get great pleasure out of watching them assplode.
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HairySack Hangin
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: GauteGodager Loving the design too !
And prepare for the Primaegeddon (mine will be hiding in a hangar for sure)
And this is what I find so amazingly confusing...
These 'free' ships (Apotheosis, Zephyr, now Primae) outnumber every other ship in the game!! One goes to every single account!!! That's 300 thousand of them! That's more than every battleship in the entire game.
So what does randomly ganking them prove or accomplish? Other than "I popped this"?
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:52:00 -
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hi,
this is twice in one day now
RB: "can i have your stuff?" CCP: "yes." The perfect outcome.
For the thousands of negativewave based remarks: seriously? I mean really? I think the thing I find most amusing is that you took time out of your life to say negative things about FREE stuff. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
Equto
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:53:00 -
[88]
Originally by: HairySack Hangin
Originally by: GauteGodager Loving the design too !
And prepare for the Primaegeddon (mine will be hiding in a hangar for sure)
And this is what I find so amazingly confusing...
These 'free' ships (Apotheosis, Zephyr, now Primae) outnumber every other ship in the game!! One goes to every single account!!! That's 300 thousand of them! That's more than every battleship in the entire game.
So what does randomly ganking them prove or accomplish? Other than "I popped this"?
For the same reason anyone hunts in real life, because they can. Also unlike other ships like battleships these ships only last a limited time meaning that once their gone their gone unlike battleships.
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Alistair Croup
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:56:00 -
[89]
Thanks CCP! That ship sounds lovely. =)
And right on time too, finally decided to dabble into PI today. Can we get more info please if the ship will be a one time gift or actually be seeded on the market? While I appreciate the whole RP announcement stuff, I'd prefer a clear message maybe at the end for all that aren't that much into reading infos from RP-speak.
Cheers.
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Jove X
Dragon Highlords
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Chribba Someone said ORE?!?!!1111
Chribba, they even said 'veldspar'! Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed resolution of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. -Weatherman |
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Clansworth
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:57:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Qoi Well, it also has two specialized cargo bays for PI Commodities and Command Centers (1000m3 and 1600m3), so it may have its final stats already. description and image are probably changing. hopefully it gets a nice bonus :)
Didn't see that in the screenshots.. even so.. I'd be MUCH happier if ORE had kept the design as a salvage ship... as it is, it's got NO highs, so can't fit, well.. anything... Intel/Nomad |
Arkad Zu
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:03:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Ceq Amsander Edited by: Ceq Amsander on 24/06/2010 21:13:29 Specs?!!
Edit: Am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the Firefly class ship Serenity?
More like "Captain Future", if this thing in the middle (around the "neck") is spinning... just looks like it will. Serenity is definitely more round-ish.
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Nicoli Voldkif
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:04:00 -
[93]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
Can I make the subtle suggestion to release the hull as a salvage/PI based ship separate from this once and done ship... Please...
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Clansworth
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:06:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Nicoli Voldkif
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
Can I make the subtle suggestion to release the hull as a salvage/PI based ship separate from this once and done ship... Please...
yeah, really.. the tease of a salvage ship in the ORE Press Release is quite depressing... Intel/Nomad |
electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:07:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Lan Staz CCP> Hey guys, here's some free stuff Players> Its not good enough CCP> Uhhh.... but its free Players> We demand better free stuff CCP> OK, we've learned our lesson there. No more free stuff.
Actually, I'd be more like this:
CCP: Gifts for all! Players: Boo! CCP: Very well, no gifts for anyone Players: Boo! CCP: Hmm... gifts for some, small Icelandic flags for all! Players: Yay! |
45 Longslide
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:09:00 -
[96]
Thank you CCP <3 Sweet art work and creative change from the shuttle concept. Umm does is come with any Quafe Extreme ? 6 maybe a 12 pack, small barrel ? |
Delagos Almondis
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:20:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Delagos Almondis on 24/06/2010 23:20:30 Still wondering why some ppl insist on trolling CCP for this. I mean, its FREE after all, and no one forces you to USE IT. So why complain?
<3 CCP. |
Zverofaust
Gallente Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:22:00 -
[98]
I really appreciate this CCP, it looks like it'll be a really cool model. But, yeah -- I would strongly suggest that if at all possible you modify this ship to make it a viable faction salvage ship as well. Give it a few highslots and maybe some small bonuses to salvagers and/or small tractor beams. Hell, it could have the exact same stats as a destroyer with salvagers and beams and it'd still be a huge, massive hit. Make it an ORE LP store item, whichever. I don't even mission or salvage ever so I'd have no use for this sort of ship at all, but it would be really, really cool.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:28:00 -
[99]
WOOT !
Toyz !
Ignore the whiners and keep on giving
*hugs* |
Eno Lacigol
Amarr Red Chimp Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:33:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Merouk Baas I think the ability to receive skillpoints as a gift is awesome, and opens up the possibility to BUY skillpoints (much like plexes), letting the newbies "catch up" with the veterans (and quieting them once and for all).
Don't know what the ship does; maybe it functions as a personal customs office (they hint it's hard to probe down, so park it on the other side of the planet, and you get a chance to avoid the gank-spot that the customs office location has become).
What is this about buying SP? |
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:40:00 -
[101]
Bring on the npc nullsec griefing as everyone in player owned nullsec heads to the nearest NPC station on the 29th to redeem their ship and attempt to fly it back safely, I see many hull popping opportunities lol. |
Eno Lacigol
Amarr Red Chimp Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:43:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Liandra Xi Bring on the npc nullsec griefing as everyone in player owned nullsec heads to the nearest NPC station on the 29th to redeem their ship and attempt to fly it back safely, I see many hull popping opportunities lol.
Jump clone to high sec, jump bridge it back in. Not hard at all. |
Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:51:00 -
[103]
As long as it's not removal of learning skills I'm fine with it. Face it, those of us who trained the learning skills up did so at a heavy cost: the loss of putting those SP into actually useful skills for the months it took, and the opportunity cost of spending them on something else.
I trained them and nobody can train a skill faster than I can right now. Deal with it all you HTFU a-holes who want something for nothing now. Your entitlement attitude makes me sick. |
De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:52:00 -
[104]
Combat Upgrade or New Game Enhancement would have been better IMO |
Raziphan Rebular
Caldari Polished Diamond Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:07:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Swidgen As long as it's not removal of learning skills I'm fine with it. Face it, those of us who trained the learning skills up did so at a heavy cost: the loss of putting those SP into actually useful skills for the months it took, and the opportunity cost of spending them on something else.
I trained them and nobody can train a skill faster than I can right now. Deal with it all you HTFU a-holes who want something for nothing now. Your entitlement attitude makes me sick.
booo huuu I don't wanna change things because I already did the boring monotonous training that learning skills are and don't give a shift if they hurt the player base and discourage new players.
Go some place else you elitist prig, removing learning skills would be nothing but good and everyone knows it. |
Infinion
Caldari Endless Destruction Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:12:00 -
[106]
Can we have a gift to ban all the whiners? |
Zievarrenna
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:12:00 -
[107]
Originally by: OrOr'Baroror I would be pleased by this free gift if the time limit for obtaining it wouldn't be so incredible short for being in the summer holidays!
So just because I'm on vacation I should miss out on this? Even though I pay as everyone else and was equaly affected by the extended downtime?
Free is nice. But if it was fair it would be even nicer...
I think you're under the impression that this ship is to repay the downtime we just experienced.
I find it extraordinarily hard to believe an entirely new ship could be created in a day just to appease some people who were upset that they couldn't play a game that isn't guaranteed to be up, anyway.
This was something that was always going to be released, next week. The timing between this and the downtime is purely a coincidence. |
CowRocket Void
M n' C Void Exploration
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:20:00 -
[108]
Step 1: Buddy invite 24 new trials Step 2: Activate accounts w/o paying the $5 Step 3: Enjoy 2 years of EvE and have 24 fancy new ships |
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:22:00 -
[109]
Originally by: EYEDOLL Hurray.. another useless bearship.. first that shuttle, then that probing frig and now this. Another item to sell and replace with something useful v0v
LOL!
At least it wasn't Micro-transactions for SP!
I'm happy, Thanks CCP! |
Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:27:00 -
[110]
how big will these ships be?
destroyer size? |
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:30:00 -
[111]
Originally by: CowRocket Void Step 1: Buddy invite 24 new trials Step 2: Activate accounts w/o paying the $5 Step 3: Enjoy 2 years of EvE and have 24 fancy new ships
You'll also be out $360 since you have to pay the $15 fee still for the first month after the trial.
Awesome...new stuff coming out on my 20th birthday (one more year ). Yay! |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:35:00 -
[112]
I like that its name is close to the latin word for "primary." |
Ra'Kalin
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:39:00 -
[113]
First, The ship looks awesome, second:
All these unique ships are cool! but then you have these models and stats and stuff that the players like! Perhaps putting BPCs for them in LP stores like someone suggested would be a good idea! Like 3-6 months later start quietly seeding them in LP stores or something. Then the ship hangs around and people loves it! |
Luinil Cios
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:39:00 -
[114]
Love the design. Can't wait to see it. Keep up the good work, CCP!
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Persona n0ngrata
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:44:00 -
[115]
OMG,OMG,OMG. A NEW SHIP.
/FALLS ON THE GROUND HYPERVENTILATING |
kano donn
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:45:00 -
[116]
WOOP WOOP
Thank you ccp.
Pwn gift |
El PutoPater
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:45:00 -
[117]
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Carebears from empire.......xddd |
Soapy5
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:51:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Soapy5 on 25/06/2010 00:51:57
Woo thanks! Imo that ship looks *amazing*
To mime the rest of the people on this thread, is there anyway this ship model could be released to the market as a dedicated salvager (maybe with a diffrent paint scheme to maintain the Primae's uniqueness). I just think this model is too pretty to be never seen in space (and turned into even prettier wrecks)... |
Borun Tal
Minmatar Wacom Research
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:04:00 -
[119]
1) New ships are always great, whether they're free or not. :) Good stuff! 2) Anyone taking bets on how many will be killed in the first month by jerks with Cheetos-dust on their fingers playing in mommy's basement? 3) Unrelated to the OP, I hope the Learning skills don't go away. And calling someone that wants to keep the leanring skills an "elitist" by someone wanting to get rid of them is rich. |
Bud Johnson
Rapscallions
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:08:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Eno Lacigol
Originally by: Merouk Baas I think the ability to receive skillpoints as a gift is awesome, and opens up the possibility to BUY skillpoints (much like plexes), letting the newbies "catch up" with the veterans (and quieting them once and for all).
Don't know what the ship does; maybe it functions as a personal customs office (they hint it's hard to probe down, so park it on the other side of the planet, and you get a chance to avoid the gank-spot that the customs office location has become).
What is this about buying SP?
Blasphamy |
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Thor Brawn
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:43:00 -
[121]
I know what you guys went through as a fellow hamster admin (not CCP).
This gift is a very nice gesture of your hard work. Thank you and hope management gives you all a little something too.
Cheers, |
Joe Astor
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:46:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Beginning June 29, 2010, you will find the ability to redeem it on your account login screen.
YAY! Thanks for the awesome birthday present, CCP!
\o/ |
Aaric Ajin
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:51:00 -
[123]
I need this ship. O_o
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:52:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Aaric Ajin I need this ship. O_o
So you can undock and lose it.
CCP, stop making hangar trash. Make it an LP BPC so people will actually use it. |
Persephone Astrid
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:02:00 -
[125]
Thank you for the new ship!
Could this ship and BPCs for it be made into LP rewards for The InterBus? |
Damion Rayne
Gallente Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:15:00 -
[126]
Aww come on, this is actually pretty neat. Also, what's with all this talk about moving learning skills? You guys lazy or something? |
Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:33:00 -
[127]
Pretty cool actually, as a proud carebear I have to say that I like this ship already. However, I do agree with the posters who think this ship should be more than a one-time gift. A special shuttle or pleasure yacht is one thing, but a ship that actually has a practical purpose that has to be kept docked for safekeeping even in highsec? That sounds like a bit of a cruel joke to me. :) |
Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:43:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Pirokobo on 25/06/2010 02:45:48
Originally by: Borgholio Pretty cool actually, as a proud carebear I have to say that I like this ship already. However, I do agree with the posters who think this ship should be more than a one-time gift. A special shuttle or pleasure yacht is one thing, but a ship that actually has a practical purpose that has to be kept docked for safekeeping even in highsec? That sounds like a bit of a cruel joke to me. :)
Aye.
If this thing is to be actually useful it needs to be merely hideously expensive to lose, not finite.
'Cause if it's finite, we're gonna suicide them every chance we get. |
Darth Kuminos
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:29:00 -
[129]
Thank you CCP. Love the concept design.. I hope it looks very close in the rendered version. :)
I would love to see this also have a Skill based counterpart that would provide bonuses to salvaging and maybe even gas mining. |
Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:33:00 -
[130]
Few things to note
1) The gift was already planned - as the dev blog said, the timing is a coincidence 2) The BONUS SP is the make up for the extended DT 3) If this ship really is useful for PI, there needs to be a way to get a new one to eliminate the "limited edition gankfest" that will occur
Perhaps next time, CCP will gift a one off 100% material efficency 1 run BPC to people to collect (resulting in them still needing to build the ship) and then introducing a normal 5 run BPC into an LP store somewhere??? |
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:34:00 -
[131]
So is this meant to fill the gap left by having no ship balance changes on ships in tyrannis? |
Admiral Griggs
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:03:00 -
[132]
this is sweet! but for those who do not plan to use this ship itd be sweet to trade it in for a large amount (5 million plus) of SP hehe |
Imweasel09
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:10:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Pirokobo
Originally by: Aaric Ajin I need this ship. O_o
So you can undock and lose it.
CCP, stop making hangar trash. Make it an LP BPC so people will actually use it.
I have to agree, a free ship is nice and all but how often do you see people undocking zephyrs? A dedicated PI ship that's useful for something other than station spinning would be a nice addition. |
Mintoko
Gallente Taedium In Perpetuam
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:53:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Qoi I looked at it on SISI: Fitting Attributes Description
No model and no icon yet.
How did you find this? I found nothing... Not listed in market, not linkable in chat, not gifted to my account. |
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:00:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Ulviirala Vauryndar on 25/06/2010 05:00:34
I liked it more when it was for large-scale ore retrieval, I feel screwed over ;\
Originally by: Mintoko How did you find this?
Magic! |
Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:21:00 -
[136]
maybe can use this ship for salvaging |
Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:22:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Nicoli Voldkif
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
Can I make the subtle suggestion to release the hull as a salvage/PI based ship separate from this once and done ship... Please...
Yes please 1. A PI ship would be nice for ferrying stuff around for it, but if this is a one-off it will be the target of rampant suicide ganks reducing the population of these ships to a point where it ends up being treated as a hangar ornament and everyone keeps using regular haulers. 2. A Salvage ship is definitely needed and has been asked for multiple times. Since the fluff for this ship says "salvage vessel" then why not release a version that holds to that ideal. 3. I (and many others for sure) wouldn't mind a multi-purpose ship for handling this kind of stuff. 4. It's an ORE ship, make it fit in a Rorqual please. |
amarri victari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:29:00 -
[138]
Originally by: OrOr'Baroror I would be pleased by this free gift if the time limit for obtaining it wouldn't be so incredible short for being in the summer holidays!
So just because I'm on vacation I should miss out on this? Even though I pay as everyone else and was equaly affected by the extended downtime?
Free is nice. But if it was fair it would be even nicer...
Global ignorance confirmed. It is indeed Winter here.
And CCP - thanks. I like the idea of occasional oddities, i missed out on the apoth-thingy-shuttle. Also would like to add that learning skills rock, and that there really is no need to give SP just for DT - this from someone who actually lost training time. The net result of a few 000 SP to each person basically levels out and has zero impact.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:53:00 -
[139]
Another station-spinner from the spreadsheet masters at CCP. |
Eclorc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:56:00 -
[140]
Primae looks awesome. Yes, I also think it should be manufacturable, and useful stats to make it salvager with decent cargo space too added to this or a future iteration of the hull. Explorer bonus perhaps also? Ability to mine without Sleepers attacking, sorta like the Zephyr can explore unmolested by the Sleepers? I think they shouldn't see mining ships as a threat anyway tbh.
Would like to see it's volume reduced to 200,000 m3 so's it could fit inside an Orca too without taking more space than a Hulk does.
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Bud Johnson
Rapscallions
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:05:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Vio Geraci Another station-spinner from the spreadsheet masters at CCP.
I think CCP is giving us the greatest gift of all.
The nerd rage that is generated by every change they make (no matter how minor) is worth 15 bucks a month. Plus we get to play a pretty good game. |
Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:09:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Vio Geraci on 25/06/2010 06:10:34
Originally by: Bud Johnson I think CCP is giving us the greatest gift of all.
The nerd rage that is generated by every change they make (no matter how minor) is worth 15 bucks a month. Plus we get to play a pretty good game.
The resources required for them to do an entirely new ship model are considerable. Introducing a probably useless, limited-edition ship with a unique hull (rather than a useful, produceable ship that will add to the game going forward) is a waste of their already woefully mismanaged company resources. |
Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:23:00 -
[143]
(Although I suppose this is a marginally better use of their time than introducing a useless, gimmicky social network that is several years obsolete at the time of release!) |
jaelle Nox
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:34:00 -
[144]
CCP BANZA- !
BANZA- ! BANZA- ! BANZA- !
Just an ask, when did you get published Bonus / malus and special abilities on character sheet like quote on database ? :D |
Gun Hog
Caldari Ardent Industrial Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:36:00 -
[145]
CCP, I BEG YOU! Remove them as gifts, and seed some BPOs! After about half of these things get blown apart, the other half will be left in stations as yet another collector's item (Zephyr, Apotheosis). I fear the true worth of these ships will be in the unique killmails, not the ships themselves :-(. If you want them to be gifts and to be USED, offer BPOs.
Anyone who wants to use this ship would be too afraid to do so because they know that they are not easily replaceable. |
Irulan Hastur
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:45:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Irulan Hastur on 25/06/2010 06:46:14 Edited by: Irulan Hastur on 25/06/2010 06:46:00
Originally by: Gun Hog CCP, I BEG YOU! Remove them as gifts, and seed some BPOs! After about half of these things get blown apart, the other half will be left in stations as yet another collector's item (Zephyr, Apotheosis). I fear the true worth of these ships will be in the unique killmails, not the ships themselves :-(. If you want them to be gifts and to be USED, offer BPOs.
Anyone who wants to use this ship would be too afraid to do so because they know that they are not easily replaceable.
Come on, who said space is a safe place ?
With that kind of thought, stay in station, be a trader or make your operation with fighter for covering your ass !
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UNKNOWN DUDE
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:52:00 -
[147]
there will be more. It said it's in full production and every pilot gets to "try one for free" no strings attached. Now I'm no rocket scientist but that certainty sounds like you can build them or at least the market will be seeded. |
cBOLTSON
Caldari Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:59:00 -
[148]
ooo strange... errm.... PIE ship. Thanks CCP, certianly not what most were expecting, but look forwards to adding it to my collection none the less =] |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:02:00 -
[149]
Looking nice!
Probably the perfect ship for my PI alt. |
Gorgo Nova
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:13:00 -
[150]
The Primae Ship looks very nice, I like the design of it, looks like a little rorqual or better a "space flying goose" .
Have some similarities with the Firefly from the Firefly TV Series too.
Have to agree with above posters that ship or hull needs to be placed as BPC in a ORE LP Store. If CCP wants to turn Planetary Interaction into COOL Stuff and advertise for it, it would be a good step towards it. Just an idea we all remember the rifter in the sandbox video, what about similar advertising video with the primea at the beginning showing how cool PI can be.
Another idea for a PI ship: Please introduce a subcapital industrial command ship that can use "planetary deep core miners" from orbit to extract the PI stuff and maybe allow it starting process jobs on-board. It would be kinda like the deep-core mining ship from the last Star Trek movie. The mining yield should be sth like 5-10 extractors ( ~5000-10000 units/30min-cycle )
Thats just some ideas from me, thinking PI can turn out to be cool & fun and not long-term boring, when supportd with adequate ships/buildings and possibilities. |
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Saaya Illirie
Caldari NPC corp tax bugs me
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:16:00 -
[151]
You know, if ORE actually had a ship LP reward, instead of just mining laser stuff, that'd be pretty neat... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:39:00 -
[152]
Quote:
I wouldn't count on BPOs, it wouldn't make the gift special enough if you can just rebuy some at Jita for 5m everytime you blow it up. In best case I'd say you would get the ship and/or a BPC from ORE LP store ...
I'd love it was made as "P5", with a PI blueprint. Would push people in PI, even those who weren't so hot about it at all.
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xXApophisXx
Minmatar Interplanetary Trade Commission
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:49:00 -
[153]
Correct me if im wrong but isn't this "one-off" ship 'Safe' in High-Sec Empire Space?
You say they will get ganked and yet CCP declared that High-Sec-Gankathons using hit and run tactics without war deccing is deemed forbidden and thus shows some sort of safety for using it in High-Sec!
P.S - CCP, thanks for the ship. Don't listen to those who complain that it isn't good enough. However I would like it if you could gift stuff every few months. Next time a Jump Freighter? Orca? Hmm! |
Dusica
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:53:00 -
[154]
cool! |
Joe Astor
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:53:00 -
[155]
Originally by: xXApophisXx You say they will get ganked and yet CCP declared that High-Sec-Gankathons using hit and run tactics without war deccing is deemed forbidden and thus shows some sort of safety for using it in High-Sec!
Not so much forbidden, just not profitable. You can gank someone in high sec before Concord appears as long as you have enough DPS. It just means you take a sec status hit, and lose your ship once Concord shows up to dispense some pwnage on you. |
xXApophisXx
Minmatar Interplanetary Trade Commission
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:58:00 -
[156]
Originally by: DevBlog And, now that full production of this robust vessel is underway, I can safely announce that our agents will be delivering one Primae ship to each capsuleer in all corners of the universe, free-of-charge, to try out for themselves. We firmly believe in the proven technology ORE has to offer and trust that pilots everywhere will come to as well, having been given this unique, unprecedented gift to fly for themselves. No strings attached."
I can see that we will get 3 of these ships... One per toon?! Tnx
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Starlight Twilight
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:16:00 -
[157]
This would be wonderful if I had a reason to use it.
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The Snowman
Gallente The Ascension Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
You see, you've just ruined your own story behind this! Why would an organization make something just once? and give it for free? you really are useless at this kind thing arnt ya? What a waste of someones time writing all that story when its clearly bollox.
Aside from story telling, I dont see the point in going to all that effort to have someone design a ship, have someone draw the art for it, have someone enter a new database item which will remain in the database for all eternity providing nothing but serve to fatten the thing?
As pointed out, these resources could have been spent on this we NEED, and it really ****es us all off that you squander your resources like this, srsly.
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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:36:00 -
[159]
Would be better if it had a mobile processor on board, so you could just put materials in the cargo and process them in the ship.
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Sophie Malaster
EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:16:00 -
[160]
So beautiful ship... but i'll lost it one day, for always? Did you think about the selling of bpo? ________________________________________________
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Zero Space
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:28:00 -
[161]
A one time ship? What a waste of a F****** model and time again!
Its about time you hung that moron Hilmar Veigar Petursson and the rest of your management team from a swingball.
No, instead you'll bring us some more s**t expansions, with crap content, and if I hear someone say they are free again i'll kill them. CCP has a monthly turnover of at least 3 million euros. ITS NOT FREE. What do they do with it? They waste our time on some worthless EVE Gate social bollox. Turn this into a salvager and seed BPOs you gormless idiots...
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Quetazal
Gallente Fine Trades Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:43:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Quetazal on 25/06/2010 09:43:23 I would like this to be a permenant market addition too, so new players who join EVE can work on PI straight away.
I hope it has enough PWR grid to run a MWD or it will be useless in lowsec! I came, I saw, I downloaded. |
Fenris Ulfur
Bio Material Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:53:00 -
[163]
Even though after 4 years of industry and mining I swore I'd never do it again I still find the ORE ships the best looking ships in the game. Hope this one has moving parts
Thank you CCP and keep up the good work --------------------------------------------------------------------- "But rather than that you question my courage, let someone put his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done in good faith" |
Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:06:00 -
[164]
Looks awesome, thanks CCP! Just hope you'll make BPO's or BPC's available later on so we can use it longer than untill the first pirate comes along and shoots it too salvage.
To the angry mob, stop shouting, whining and crying, if you don't like it you can contract it to me.
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Dana Jin
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:17:00 -
[165]
Until July 13th???!!! I'm stuck out here in the middle of the ocean on deployment with extrememly limited internet, can't use the local internet with personal computers, and can't log in to claim my present. Is there any way CCP can take into account those that still keep an active account even though they can't login to play. Maybe something along the lines of an auto claim or put the ships in my hanger for me?
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Shadow 5trike
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zero Space A one time ship? What a waste of a F****** model and time again!
Its about time you hung that moron Hilmar Veigar Petursson and the rest of your management team from a swingball.
No, instead you'll bring us some more s**t expansions, with crap content, and if I hear someone say they are free again i'll kill them. CCP has a monthly turnover of at least 3 million euros. ITS NOT FREE. What do they do with it? They waste our time on some worthless EVE Gate social bollox. Turn this into a salvager and seed BPOs you gormless idiots...
Nice to see someone appreciates all the hard work that CCP put into undoubtably one of the best MMORPG's in history. Its a free gift you dont have to take it. You dont have to use EVE gate and you dont have to shoot your mouth off like some ungrateful spoilt brat.
[End rant]
Thank you CCP for the gift and skillpoint handshake, much appreciated.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lan Staz CCP> Hey guys, here's some free stuff Players> Its not good enough CCP> Uhhh.... but its free Players> We demand better free stuff CCP> OK, we've learned our lesson there. No more free stuff.
An alternate scenario:
CCP> Hey guys, here's some free stuff Players> Sweet, thanks! ~~~Player takes free stuff ~~~Player goes red blinky ~~~Player gets 'sploded with "pew" by CONCORD
Remember guys, nowhere is safe in EVE. -----
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:51:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Sophie Malaster So beautiful ship... but i'll lost it one day, for always? Did you think about the selling of bpo?
A LP BPC would be perfectly fine. An industrial faction ship would be a great. Then at least you could undock the thing.
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Verys
Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:56:00 -
[169]
Very nice looking ship and awesome that CCP gives it to us for free, however I'd opt to make this a produce-able ship as well .
To the whiner's you sound like those spoiled brat's from my super sweet sixteen when they get a car:
CCP > Here ya go a free present because we all love you so much! Player > Whaaaaaaaaat? It's an industrial? I can not be seen in an industrial...! I have no need for this therefore it's useless! This is what I'll do with your free ship, <insert random violence of player vs ship here>.
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Charles Javeroux
Gallente INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:08:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Charles Javeroux on 25/06/2010 11:09:29 Free stuff...Yayayay \o/ \o/ \/
Originally by: Orek Fear I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper...
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Crylnish Hlar
Vultus Intentus Constructum Sons of RA
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:13:00 -
[171]
Dear Ub3r L33t PvP'er,
It has recently come to my attention that you will soon be in posession of a new ship delivered to yourself on behalf of ORE.
I represent certain people interested in the procurement of these ships. Please direct your contracts for the sale of the new Primare class hulls to myself and find yourself reimbursed for the hassle of recieving corporate donations.
Yours faithfully, Cyrl
==: Tired of recieving corporate donations? Too busy to senselessly self-destruct that free gift?
For the low, low fee of 1m/month our corporation will provide the vital service of corporate donation removal - simply wire the ISK directly each month and contract any and all corporate donations to our CEO - Crylnish Hlar. :==
Moar ISK's for me! Cyrl
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,Crylnish%20Hlar/tpl,amarr3/signature |
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:25:00 -
[172]
At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:51:00 -
[173]
But... It isn't pink?
Gift ships should go to BPO after 6 month, it would be really cool, even if the required minerals are quite high for what the ship is. -- Fanfest memories : I looked in your eyes And I found the galaxy Now I'm stuck in eve.
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Maeve Kell
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:02:00 -
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Yes.. we need more Ships to produce.. plz introduce the gift ships as producable ships :/
at least this one.. plz.. plz plz plz
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:03:00 -
[175]
IT... LOOKS... LIKE... TECH 3...?!?!?
/me hopes fervently that this is so.
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Thent Duxll
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:05:00 -
[176]
As the Primae seems to be intended to help new players get into PI how about making it a tutorial reward?
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Elzon1
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Elzon1 on 25/06/2010 12:06:28
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
If the ship's secondary cargobay had a capacity of 30k m3 for PI materials only then you would see the value of this ship rise drastically. The only other way the ship would be seriously used if there would be BPO/C's to build it. But since neither of those are going to happen then it can only really be a colletor's item realistically.
This ship is easily replacable with a badger mark II so it isn't all that useful
Thanks for the free ship though, its the thought that counts
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Sophie Malaster
EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:17:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Sophie Malaster on 25/06/2010 12:34:37
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
What it is really sad is that has to work hard on a ship like this, that if the image looks like, it will be great, so then do not want to lose because there will be no more.
I've already lost my Zephyr by a pirate with smartbombs at empire, it is really sad I can no longer return to a not to be paying a million for a ship that is not worth it.
In my opinion, is better giving away ships really useful and get a bpo. A bpo that would be a good gift, one more ship for the fleet since long time ago. ________________________________________________
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Edith Bunker
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:27:00 -
[179]
Great news! Thanks CCP!
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Kyvon Glarner
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:51:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Dana Jin Until July 13th???!!! I'm stuck out here in the middle of the ocean on deployment with extrememly limited internet, can't use the local internet with personal computers, and can't log in to claim my present. Is there any way CCP can take into account those that still keep an active account even though they can't login to play. Maybe something along the lines of an auto claim or put the ships in my hanger for me?
lol, your country thanks you for your service. that's what you get for signing your life away :P
/glad i got out :)
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Mikail Assimov
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:06:00 -
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CCp thanks for the gift of the new ship.even if all she does is sit in my hanger. i still have the flyer too. Much thanks for all your hard work. Pay no attention to the whiners, you can never make them happy.Keep up the good work. EVE is a good game and i like to play it.
Regards mikail Assimov
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SemiCharmed
Clans of the Sanctums
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:16:00 -
[182]
Free Stuff FTW!!!
Looks cool too... --------------------------------------------
Remember Kids, Only YOU Can Prevent Fourm fires. |
Zero Space
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:23:00 -
[183]
Another deletion. Thanks CCP. The truth hurts I guess.
Free? 3 Million Euros a month isn't free.
Bring us more ships CCP.
Thanks for this great model, don't let it go to waste, give us a dedicated salvager.
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Verys
Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:46:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Zero Space Another deletion. Thanks CCP. The truth hurts I guess.
Free? 3 Million Euros a month isn't free.
Bring us more ships CCP.
Thanks for this great model, don't let it go to waste, give us a dedicated salvager.
And these 3 million euro's a month are coming out of your pocket amirite?
You could have made your truth hurts post better and more constructive by not swearing like an idiot.
Now go back and tell mom and dad ccp that you will hate them forever because the ship they bought for you was not in the colour you wanted.
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Elayae
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:56:00 -
[185]
This is a great looking ship, thanks CCP.
A pity that it is non reproducible. So it probably won't be used much, for I don't fly what I cannot afford to lose. |
miamol
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:00:00 -
[186]
signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:05:00 -
[187]
Originally by: SheriffFruitfly You guys really should let us link the special ships in game so we can show info on them. This one, the AT prize ships, etc. It's a pain waiting for someone to come along with a fitting that can be looked at in game.
You can. Just type the name in any chat window/notepad/whatever.
Highlight it and then right click->autolink->item type. :)
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Zahira Wrath
Amarr Dominion Strategic
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:10:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Xindi Kraid
1. A PI ship would be nice for ferrying stuff around for it, but if this is a one-off it will be the target of rampant suicide ganks reducing the population of these ships to a point where it ends up being treated as a hangar ornament and everyone keeps using regular haulers. 2. A Salvage ship is definitely needed and has been asked for multiple times. Since the fluff for this ship says "salvage vessel" then why not release a version that holds to that ideal. 3. I (and many others for sure) wouldn't mind a multi-purpose ship for handling this kind of stuff. 4. It's an ORE ship, make it fit in a Rorqual please.
Yeah, if it is useful for PI make it manufacturable. Or heck make BPCs for it available from the ORE (and hisec related) LP stores.
Give it 8 high slots with absolutely no turrets so we can use it as a 4 tractor, 4 salvager salvage boat. I'd be even happy with 6 high slots. Give it a bonus to tractor range, and salvage tackle chance too.
But yeah, much <3 CCP for cool new ships. :)
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:11:00 -
[189]
I'd rather have a BPO...
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Jho'heinous
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:19:00 -
[190]
Originally by: De Guantanamo Combat Upgrade or New Game Enhancement would have been better IMO
For shame... Next you'll want a Jedi class without holocrons and the entertainer grind.
As for the ORE Ship, it looks pretty funky, LP BPC for the hull would be groovy.
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Nuadi
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:20:00 -
[191]
Thanks CCP!
I can scratch Industrials training from my alts with this ship.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:25:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Nuadi I can scratch Industrials training from my alts with this ship.
Actually I think it's one per account?
Also you probably won't have it that long if you actually try to use it regularly.
A bit to Gallente-looking for my tastes....not enough rust. Otherwise another nice collectors item worth mothballing for a few years until its value rises. Thanks CCP -----
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:24:00 -
[193]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
This really makes me mad. You can't honestly expect anyone to actually use this ship, if there isn't a way to replace it? Just make it a bit more difficult to produce a BPO. How hard is it to make these ships manufacturable? How many people use the Christmas gift you sent us? I flew it for about 5 minutes, then stored it in my hangar. This logic just baffles me.
CCP - please wake up and get a clue. I say that with all love, on one hand it's great, but on the other.... I'll have two nice ships sitting in my hangar. Do the research and see how many times these ships are actually used.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:33:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 25/06/2010 15:33:27
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
This really makes me mad. You can't honestly expect anyone to actually use this ship, if there isn't a way to replace it? Just make it a bit more difficult to produce a BPO. How hard is it to make these ships manufacturable? How many people use the Christmas gift you sent us? I flew it for about 5 minutes, then stored it in my hangar. This logic just baffles me.
CCP - please wake up and get a clue. I say that with all love, on one hand it's great, but on the other.... I'll have two nice ships sitting in my hangar. Do the research and see how many times these ships are actually used.
I would like to echo this sentiment. These gifts are nice and all, but how about ships that people could actually use, manufacture and destroy on a regular basis. I would gladly trade all my mantleplace ships to get even one new T1 ship added to the game.
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Jarek Starchaser
Minmatar Osiris Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:41:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Jarek Starchaser on 25/06/2010 15:41:10 OREsome! Once again CCP DelivORE!
Loving the look of the ship guys, many many thanks!
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Hamayan
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:42:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Hamayan on 25/06/2010 15:42:32 Looks OK, but yeah, I doubt I'll be flying mine but maybe once or twice in a quiet, high-sec system for the novelty of it. It'll sit in my hangar until they're rare enough on the market to fetch decent price as a toy for the rich, or as a collector's piece.
To those who are chastising other posters for greeting this gift with criticism rather than gratitude, I'd have to say that I don't regard anything CCP gives me as a "gift" if receiving the "gift" is contingent upon my having a paid subscription active. I'd call this a "perk", one that I assume was developed and implemented by CCP employees who were on the clock, and paid from money that came from subscriptions, PLEX and ETC.
Such perks can be good, fruitful use of dev resources, but perks are just a subset of game features, and all game features are, IMO, a legitimate subject of criticism, because the development of one feature almost always will come at the expense of the development of a preferable feature, and because existing features can be improved upon. Civil feedback of all varieties is appropriate.
The features I tend to like best are those which add enduring depth, quality and verisimilitude to the game. This sort of one-off perk doesn't do that. It's a flash in the pan. I guess the game needs those too, but this perk still doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Speaking of sense, from an RP perspective, it seems somewhat odd that ORE would go temporarily go into "full production" mode to produce a ship, give it away and never sell so much as a single instance of said ship for profit. ORE already has enough profile among industrialists that it wouldn't benefit much from this if it's just a marketing stunt, and if the intention is to spur planetary development, they would at least produce and sell BPCs of the ship to friendly capsuleers to help sustain the growth. Maybe it is designed to generate some good PR outside the capsuleer community, but chronicles like Xenocracy seem to establish that such would be a dubious strategy.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Luc on 25/06/2010 15:44:57
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 25/06/2010 15:33:27
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
This really makes me mad. You can't honestly expect anyone to actually use this ship, if there isn't a way to replace it? Just make it a bit more difficult to produce a BPO. How hard is it to make these ships manufacturable? How many people use the Christmas gift you sent us? I flew it for about 5 minutes, then stored it in my hangar. This logic just baffles me.
CCP - please wake up and get a clue. I say that with all love, on one hand it's great, but on the other.... I'll have two nice ships sitting in my hangar. Do the research and see how many times these ships are actually used.
I would like to echo this sentiment. These gifts are nice and all, but how about ships that people could actually use, manufacture and destroy on a regular basis. I would gladly trade all my mantelpiece ships to get even one new T1 ship added to the game.
Yeah, it's really disappointing to get a new hull that isn't able to be put into production. Perhaps nerf the stats just a bit and make a produce-able ship that shares the same hull or different colors or something. Enough of these on-offs that don't do crap.
I liked the Christmas gift, it really looks cool, but does anyone actually use it? Make it manufacturable, and people will use it. Simple economics really
EDIT: I should add, that the purpose of ships in EVE are to be blown up. If ships don't get blown up, the economy fails. All ships should be expected to be lost, and I would hope CCP thinks of this the next time they introduce a paperweight one-off.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:56:00 -
[198]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
No BPOs or BPCs? Or LP store rewards? This seems like it could be a useful ship.
Especially if it had a mid-slot.
Even more so if it had some salvager bonuses (as a carryover from the ship's previous role) and high slots to use them. This could become a well used ship.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
Please seed the ships, BPCs, and/or BPOs in some way, shape, or form.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:01:00 -
[199]
I really hope this is making it up the ladder past Eris because this is a really easy fix that CCP could do if they decided to.
You can't seriously expect the userbase to use a ship they cannot replace. Not in this game. EVE isn't wow, **** dies in this game, so if we can't build it or invent it or buy it or get free with every death then it's a wasted effort by the art department.
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Dracnys
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:02:00 -
[200]
Love the ship design, I'll enjoy visiting my planets with it. But please make a BPO as it would be a shame to be unable to fly it because one has to fear suicide ganks just for the killmail. Having another ship collecting dust (while still great in itself) is not nearly as fun as flying and using a new ship.
If it is for the new players getting a free ship to haul stuff to and from their planets, just give one to everyone but still make a blueprint, seeded in the Outer Ring.
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Ishkan Ming
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:09:00 -
[201]
Even better. Just drop the idea of giving freebies CCP. By the imput in this thread, nothing good can come of it. Unless you give them a "haulingbattleshipwithtitandoomsday". And the respective BPC.
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:25:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Ishkan Ming Even better. Just drop the idea of giving freebies CCP. By the imput in this thread, nothing good can come of it.
The Apothesis was nice. A unique ship to celebrate a significant milestone. Worthy of a one-off ship.
The Zephyr was a little confusing but people shrugged and took the confusing little ship.
With the Primea we've reached the point where the response is pretty much...
"They're just ****ing on us without even the decency of calling it rain," to quote Avatar.
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Imweasel09
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:30:00 -
[203]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
If it can't be replaced, it isn't leaving the hangar. The bottom line is just like the zephyr this ship won't see the light of day. That's a shame because unlike the zephyr which is easily replaced by a covert ops frigate a ship suited specifically to PI would be a nice addition.
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Myyona
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:58:00 -
[204]
Yay, a ship which primary function is not to shoot others in the face. I like that. In fact, I am a great supporter for many more types of ships which are not designed for warfare.
That it cannot be build seems like a pity, but I take it as an experiment. At least, if the ship can fulfill a needed role for me, I will not be afraid to fly it where ever I go.
--- Myyona CEO, Ataraxia Pharmacies ATAP Humanitarian aid effort |
Callic Veratar
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:11:00 -
[205]
Zephyr BPCs available in wspace deadspace complexes and Primae BPCs available in new deadspace complexes!
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Adelina Jasna
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:13:00 -
[206]
Great design looks like a mini Roqual.
Should be a great addition to my collection of boats that will never see the light of day :|
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:38:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Adelina Jasna Great design looks like a mini Roqual.
Should be a great addition to my collection of boats that will never see the light of day :|
Are there more unique hulls that haven't been released as BPO's? What are you thinking CCP???
I don't care about a retextured shuttle, or a special edition "State Issue Raven", which gets beefed specs and a special paint job. This is ok for non-bpo rare ships. It's not ok to spend weeks developing new ship designs that won't get a BPO. Seems like such a waste.
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Carola Kessler
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:40:00 -
[208]
Well i for myselfs only would sit one time in it enjoying the look at it the sadly pack it back in the storage hangar and leave it there until ethernity cuz of not beeing replacable.
But anyways thanks alot for this pretty nice ship CCP i love the design and the look from it :)
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Hastein
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:52:00 -
[209]
Amazing looking design. It would be a shame if it is a one of a kind. We have enough ugly replaceable ships in EVE. Hope you guys do the right thing and get a BPO/BPC in. Thanks for the amazing ship anyway, the design reminds me of a John Berkey work :)
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Rapyract
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:15:00 -
[210]
Wow. An industrial ship intended to encourage me to take up PI. How impressive.
As for the fan-boys who think we should all be eternally grateful to CCP for them having tossed us another bone, I'm afraid I see this as no more impressive than the "free gifts" I occasinally receive from other companies that I pay to provide a service. Just as we all pay in one way or another for those "gifts", so we're all paying for this one.
CCP employees have spent time working on this ship. While people disagree on what exactly most deserves the most attention, there is definitely a general consensus that there are loads of things in the existing game that could do with further work.
Bottom line: Thanks, but I'm underwhelmed.
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croxis
Gallente The Praxis Initiative Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:20:00 -
[211]
Looks like there might be a blueprint?
http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u232/michaelandjoleen/?action=view¤t=AnotherPieceof****.jpg ----- David - Proud to be saving the universe since 1984 Wrangler - Saving the drunks by drinking their beer since 1992 [violet]Saving the breweries by sending their produce to Wra |
Captain Brace
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:42:00 -
[212]
Quote: Initially devised as a deep space salvage vessel for large-scale ore retrieval from destroyed ORE fleets in pirate-occupied areas
Got my hopes up really high there... I would like to see a free ship that has an intended bonus for being the ultimate salvage ship... ---------------------- While I'm sure everyone has there own ideas for most cool things that should be... Id like it to be (much like pods and the last gift, the wind sail scanning boat) cannot be attacked by NPCs. Give it a range and speed bonus to tractors and something to salvages would be nice... Does not need 8 high slots as the tractors are double speed. Oh, and make it fast and nimble pls : )
And remember Devs... There are no dedicated salvage boats out there... Almost on Muraders... And its not the intended use of Destroyers and BCs as they have no bonus for the job... T3 Ship with sub for tractor speed and range is close... but also comes with high(ish) skill requirement and is also not a direct intended sole use for these ships. Orca and rorq... ya well, no...
I agree there are options already available for this task... But a cheap or free specialized ships would be a sweet free bee gift imho. This could also be a good way to expand the number of Destoryers in the game, if it should be a real ship that stays around for a while, and make it worth training destroyer skills up for more folks. ----------- All that said... I still look forward to this free gift.. I'm not complaining about this one at all... Just have a suggestion for the next one : )
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:00:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Clansworth The question remains.. after it was 'converted' to a PI ship, is it still a viable salvage ship? (you know, something that ISN'T a destroyer?) This HAS been requested for quite some time.
THIS!
8 highs, tractor bonus, 4000m3.
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:19:00 -
[214]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At the moment it isn't reproducible with BPO's or other means. And I'm not aware of any solid plans for the return of the gift ships.
I know Art would like to see them more frequent because a lot of blood, sweat, tears and chocolate cake goes into making a ship.
You should still take them out and about though even if you risk getting blown up, otherwise it is a very unhappy ship never seeing space but just your hangar.
Unless CCP works "replaceable" into the plans for this ship both the players and the art department are going to be very unhappy because we won't be flying them; people aren't willing to lose a unique ship (and, thus, a collectors item) to a suicide gank. Besides that, this sounds like it might actually be a useful ship, if it has enough of a niche role for CCP to decide to make a ship to fill that role, then you might as well put it into the game as something that can be build by players, or at the very least acquired by them at a later date if they lose their free gift.
Originally by: Shawshanke tractor bonus,
Tractors are fine. Boost the range of salvagers. -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:20:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Lan Staz CCP> Hey guys, here's some free stuff Players> Its not good enough CCP> Uhhh.... but its free Players> We demand better free stuff CCP> OK, we've learned our lesson there. No more free stuff.
CCP> Hey guys, here's some free useless garbage. Players> But we want something useful CCP> Uhhh.... but its free Players> We don't really care about free, give us useful, something we've been asking for for years. CCP> Player base is annoyed, working as intended.
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Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:38:00 -
[216]
Nifty design, look forward to it.
Forget dedicated salvage SHIP, has anyone yet mentioned automatic salvage DRONES? They have been in the feature request sticky for years.
I've really enjoyed drifting through sleeper sites in the Zephyr. It came in handy a few times I needed to clean up after... accidents.
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Luke S
Zeta Corp.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:52:00 -
[217]
well that's kinda neat. to bad I cant use it, since my PI supply chain is in 0.0. I don't want to use it unless we can rebuild it. ---
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Hardreign
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:00:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Hardreign on 25/06/2010 20:00:30 I'm much less jaded than all the bloody-edged lifetimers in EVE.
The ship looks freakin' brilliant, thanks very much. Though I do concur it would be a great permanent addition to the ORE fleet in New Eden. EVE is comprised of a large percentage of rum soaked, nay-saying, s****of the galaxy (gotta love them), and I am sure there are gangs being formed as I write this to gank every single pilot flying one of these little beauties.
I had intended on training up to the Gallente Exequror for salvaging but the Primae looks like a better choice all around.
I am going to go slap a bumper sticker on the arse-end of my Hurricane. "Save the Primae. Harpoon an Amarrian."
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:02:00 -
[219]
As much as I enjoy collecting unique ships, they're just useless icons in a hangar to me if they can't be replaced. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
zandayus
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:23:00 -
[220]
interesting design /concept art.wonder how many different designs they were working with before they finalized this one.would like to see the remainder of them some day in the EON magazine.not into PI but will find a use for it in my mining operations.any chance we can get nav thrusters to use on all the EVE ships.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:33:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Hardreign Edited by: Hardreign on 25/06/2010 20:00:30 I'm much less jaded than all the bloody-edged lifetimers in EVE.
The ship looks freakin' brilliant, thanks very much. Though I do concur it would be a great permanent addition to the ORE fleet in New Eden. EVE is comprised of a large percentage of rum soaked, nay-saying, s****of the galaxy (gotta love them), and I am sure there are gangs being formed as I write this to gank every single pilot flying one of these little beauties.
We are this way because CCP has made us this way.
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Lorhan Sedaris
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:34:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Shawshanke
Originally by: Clansworth The question remains.. after it was 'converted' to a PI ship, is it still a viable salvage ship? (you know, something that ISN'T a destroyer?) This HAS been requested for quite some time.
THIS!
8 highs, tractor bonus, 4000m3.
/signed
I don't care if it is a bonus to tractors or salvagers. Either would be great.
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Caledrun
Caldari O.R.D.I.S
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:41:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Caledrun on 26/06/2010 00:45:25 Edited by: Caledrun on 26/06/2010 00:45:01
Originally by: Ceq Amsander Edited by: Ceq Amsander on 24/06/2010 21:13:29 Specs?!!
Edit: Am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the Firefly class ship Serenity?
Nope, that was my first thought. Someone at ccp has been watching firefly methinks.. As for the ship being unreproducible I would say that it will be a permament addition to the ORE fleet due to the fact that they said they're giving out one ship to try out to each capsuleer. To me that sounds as if they're either going to keep them as a stocked item or there will be better versions of it.
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Silent Bruce
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:15:00 -
[224]
This is a beautiful ship, CCP. Thank you.
As a W-space resident, mine will unfortunately sit rusting in an out of the way highsec station for a future time when it will be worth the risk to fly them, or worth the money to sell them. Same as my Zephyrs. It doesn't make me any less grateful for them, but it does limit their usefulness.
My choice seems to be this: Use it, lose it and go back to using my Hoarder for PI, or keep using my Hoarder for PI and have a nice asset accruing value. I'm sure the pirates are clever enough to sit off a Customs Office in a disposable gank ship and wait.
I'd hate to see the hard work of the designers go to waste (especially, let's be honest, when there was an opportunity cost to the effort they spent on this), and I agree that the backstory for this ship doesn't make sense as a one-off. I'm sure you can think of a way to get this hull (and the Zephyr for that matter) into the general production, even in a modified form to protect the uniqueness of the originals.
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Dolm De'Mourne
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:16:00 -
[225]
I hope the blogs wording was correct in inferring that there would be more of this ship to come, but it would be nice if the ship being given out had some notable difference from those later produced.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:20:00 -
[226]
Why do people complain about ccp birthday present being given to us? I mean how many people give away presents on thier birthday?
On a side note would love to see an 'upgraded' version avaiable though loyalty store possibly in the future.
Also quick question does ccp have a gallery of all the ships concepts they've released, I mean I know I could possibly go though all the dev blogs to go and find them all but if they're conveiently in one location I would be happy to use it to study formation and lighting values with. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
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Chuperekachu
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:13:00 -
[227]
I have found this video on Youtube: Primae ship Ship itself looks very cool, reminds me on those old Firefly-type salvager ship
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Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:32:00 -
[228]
I'm surprised nobody drew a comparison between this ship and an Earth Omega-class destroyer from Babylon 5. Either way, cool looking ship. Please CCP, make it replaceable? ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Slovic Gustav
Gallente Avatar Dynasty THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.06.26 03:04:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Slovic Gustav on 26/06/2010 03:09:29 What a shame, such amazing artwork that probably took a lot of time and effort to come up with, model, and code into the game is going to rust away in my hanger and will never be used.
I hope CCP will reuse this model again for an ORE class salvage ship thatÆs obtainable through seeded BP's either through the market or random drop from complexes/LP's. One can only hope for a dedicated salvage ship!
Throw us a bone CCP, ppplllease... with a cherry on top? /crosses fingers!
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mozaras
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:11:00 -
[230]
signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
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cBOLTSON
Caldari Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.26 06:37:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Chuperekachu I have found this video on Youtube: Primae ship Ship itself looks very cool, reminds me on those old Firefly-type salvager ship
OH sweet! That ship really does look pretty. Especially for a dirty ORE 'bear ship :)
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.26 08:04:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Chuperekachu I have found this video on Youtube: Primae ship Ship itself looks very cool, reminds me on those old Firefly-type salvager ship
Wow, it has lots of moving bits.
This is going to be great fun to fly around.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
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Jezavel
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:50:00 -
[233]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
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Destiny Buccaneer
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:21:00 -
[234]
Absolutely freakin awesome CCP, love it already. By the look of it it will be somewhat the same size of a hauler and hopefully have a big enough cargo capacity to see it piloted everyday. But due to its uniqueness it should be some how replaceable cause it looks to nice to be ganked in!!
But WOW nice work.........im already one for drooling ;)
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bambidkaa
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Posted - 2010.06.26 13:23:00 -
[235]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT, this EVEsome ship should be added to regular spaceship fleet.
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2010.06.26 13:24:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Drew Blaze on 26/06/2010 13:24:43
Originally by: Jezavel /signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
Originally by: mozaras /signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
Originally by: bambidkaa /signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
/signed for the BPO/BPC and not for a 'non-replaceable ship'
Love the announctment but I hope its worth the time for me to sit at the screen and watch the lasers run, it gets so exciting!
EDIT: Another Quote! :)
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Minop
Amarr ADVANCED R6D INSTITUTION ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:00:00 -
[237]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
I think it¦s better make a useful ship that not a ship for growing Hangars...
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Aken Ator
Caldari EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:33:00 -
[238]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
for a good ship and good use
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Decci Frost
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:38:00 -
[239]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
also want the original salvage ship ORE used to make this. :P
it's funny that collecting your reward ( looting/salvaging ) actually feels more like a punishment.
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chaosjj
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Posted - 2010.06.26 15:40:00 -
[240]
if you type "primae" in any channel and link it to a item, the resulting link directs to a BPO info window perhaps they will release the BPO in the future :)
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Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:21:00 -
[241]
Cool ship, but one question: How long until the chron detailing how the Serps have loaded this one down with spy equipment to better raid our colonies?
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Lucia Warbler
Infinite Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:43:00 -
[242]
How about using this new ship model for a salvager ship? Just give it some new textures and attributes and you are set.
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Minadoespero
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:21:00 -
[243]
Yep, some new ship will be good, until some ganker decide that its beter to see the kill mail. Thats why i think that taking the BPO to the market will be even better.
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Igor Epocci
Minmatar Fringe Industries EMS
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:23:00 -
[244]
Edited by: Igor Epocci on 26/06/2010 17:25:56 Thanks for the ship, CCP, but I must say this:
As an industrialist who also has the skills to properly fit a Typhoon to deliver a maximum assbeating, I'm sick to death of defenseless industrial ships. No worthy tank, no ability to mount a reasonable defense, yet you still can't figure out why lowesec is still left largely to the pirates.
As a minmatar industrialist with rockin' gunnery skills, I'd damn sure be welding some guns on my hulk or tweaking the strip miners to violently remove an aggressor's armor.
I'd really like to know where it says that industrial ships have to be defenseless - like your new PI ship with (purportedly) no high slots?
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Beani Kliadi
Caldari Arekin Secure Holdings
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Posted - 2010.06.26 18:03:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Beani Kliadi on 26/06/2010 18:04:38 Well, If this is just going to be a gift ship.
Its got to have its own class. So at christmass maybe you could seed a sub version of this ship hull in blueprint orginial so that we don't have to loose this beautiful ship in some rediculous gank at a planet.
That way it makes this gift unique and all the hours spent on making this ship from the Art department, get to see their ship used over and over again.
I'm gonna use these but I don't wanna loose it and never be able to fly it again. Would suck real bad.
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Glowstix
Minmatar Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:07:00 -
[246]
Thanks CCP! :D
Irreplaceable or not, I'll be using mine for mucking around with PI (dirty pirate who's no good at industry) and keeping the one for my alt account as a trophy/collector's item/etc.
I do have to agree that if you want to see them flown more, they need to somehow be replaceable. A BPO is silly, giving one to everyone would make this ship worth about 1,000 ISK unless it had extravagant manufacturing requirements, and even then it would probably be sold at 0 profit because of the prevelance. The idea of making a BPC from the ORE LP store or something seemed a decent enough idea.
Either way, thanks for the gift <3
Originally by: Chuperekachu I have found this video on Youtube: Primae ship Ship itself looks very cool, reminds me on those old Firefly-type salvager ship
IT HAS WHIRLY BITS! :DDD
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Hamayan
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:41:00 -
[247]
I like the idea of keeping this particular version of the ship as a "free" perk and reusing the art for something else down the line -- perhaps another PI ship with different specs and skill requirements, or a salvaging ship as has been suggested.
I just hate the idea of the art going to waste on something that, for 99% of players, is simply going to be an in-station novelty icon, or a novelty killmail. Also I don't like the introduction of ships which make no sense from an in-game/in-character perspective.
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:56:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 26/06/2010 19:57:25 Please lend your support for this proposal in the Assembly Hall. With luck, the CSM might be able to convince CCP to put BPOs of this useful ship on the market.
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thefastcart
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Posted - 2010.06.26 22:04:00 -
[249]
Quote: Beginning June 29, 2010, you will find the ability to redeem it on your account login screen ... and will no longer be available after downtime on Tuesday, July 13th 2010, so make sure you log in to receive yours.
Will inactive accounts have to be active before June 29th to qualify, or can players reactivate accounts anytime between the 29th and the 13th and still receive the ship?
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Brother Thrawn
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Posted - 2010.06.26 22:25:00 -
[250]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT member of Nar Shaadda Industries Corp |
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Artassaut
Minmatar Oblivion Amalgamated
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Posted - 2010.06.26 23:01:00 -
[251]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT --- The Gate: Lol, try targeting me in a fleet fight. The Station: No U. |
Spinnakers
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:45:00 -
[252]
Since it's a one time relase, this could be considered a Tech 0 or protoype??
Once ORE releases it, how long till a Tech 1 or a Tech 2 version?? Even better would be a modular version. Then we should be getting BPO's.
OR Will other companies will start Reverse Engineering it for modifications? " with a few minor modifications, be made into an efficient resource harvesting aid, ORE wasted no time in revamping the design."
Did I read this right? "planetside resource extraction and processed materials, making it an especially useful complement to any planetside harvesting endeavor."
Will we be able to mine a planet from space?
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Rakivic
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.06.27 08:07:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Lan Staz CCP> Hey guys, here's some free stuff Players> Its not good enough CCP> Uhhh.... but its free Players> We demand better free stuff CCP> OK, we've learned our lesson there. No more free stuff.
This, I find it funny how a lot of people that play this harass CCP for free stuff. And then when it is given to them it's not good enough......I will take a FREE ship any time
Thanks CCP!
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Decci Frost
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Posted - 2010.06.27 11:13:00 -
[254]
Atleast I think most people aren't asking for more free stuff but the other way around, more stuff but let us pay and make it part of the game. :)
Like those asking for BPOs probably aren't thinking that everyone should get a free BPO but that there should be BPOs so we could all buy the ship and thus making it a part of eve instead of just a novelty item. :)
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Tilc Jr
Gallente Heavy industries Shinohara ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.06.27 12:13:00 -
[255]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
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Silvana SilvY
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Posted - 2010.06.27 15:41:00 -
[256]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
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Greymoon Avatar
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.27 16:35:00 -
[257]
Here is what I plan to do with my new ship...
The Primae Pinata Cruise ...
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.27 20:49:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Rakivic
I find it funny how some people that play this game always manage to find something to complain about. Even when is a cool new ship they still complain and want something more or better. We are getting something from CCP for free and to some it's not good enough......I will take a FREE ship any time
We do complain because we care about eve and would love to make it an even better game.
The model of the Primae is pretty awesome and fits nicely into the line of ORE ship and many of us would like to fly it on occasion.
This is why we complain. We do not want the awesome work that the art department put into this gone to waste.
It's of course nice that you get free stuff, but many of us see the potential in this. If nobody would have complained about eve in the past, the servers would have closed 7 years ago.
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:07:00 -
[259]
Edited by: Pirokobo on 27/06/2010 23:07:55
Originally by: Rakivic I find it funny how some people that play this game always manage to find something to complain about. Even when is a cool new ship they still complain and want something more or better. We are getting something from CCP for free and to some it's not good enough......I will take a FREE ship any time
They spend a lot of effort to create something that looks really good, that can't be used because people will suicide gank just because they're irreplaceable.
Most of us would rather have ships that are mundanely replaceable so we can use them.
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Rakamy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 05:19:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Pirokobo Edited by: Pirokobo on 27/06/2010 23:07:55
Originally by: Rakivic I find it funny how some people that play this game always manage to find something to complain about. Even when is a cool new ship they still complain and want something more or better. We are getting something from CCP for free and to some it's not good enough......I will take a FREE ship any time
They spend a lot of effort to create something that looks really good, that can't be used because people will suicide gank just because they're irreplaceable.
Most of us would rather have ships that are mundanely replaceable so we can use them.
She raises a valid and important point better they give us something we can use instead of just look at in our hangers
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varin chace
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:42:00 -
[261]
so people are whining about a BPO for a free PI ship they are getting. If there that bothered about it why would they even redeam this 'useless free ship' oh thats right its FREE. and stop assuming it wont be replacable. after all can you see any other PI ships out there? its something there promoting for dust. ORE will probly HAVE BPC LP rewards. stop jumping ahead of the game and whining about stuff that you have no way of knowing. have a little trust in the people who are giveing you a FREE gift. or if your THAT offended by this awesome FREE gift give it to me. I'll pay 1 mill isk per hull you hate and want rid off thouse PI ships are AWESOME. oh and just for the morons out there this ship is FREE FREE FREE FREE, that means for NOTHING, dont look a gift ship in the **** pit.
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.28 11:21:00 -
[262]
Edited by: Pirokobo on 28/06/2010 11:23:39
Originally by: varin chace so people are whining about a BPO for a free PI ship they are getting. If there that bothered about it why would they even redeam this 'useless free ship' oh thats right its FREE. and stop assuming it wont be replacable. after all can you see any other PI ships out there? its something there promoting for dust. ORE will probly HAVE BPC LP rewards. stop jumping ahead of the game and whining about stuff that you have no way of knowing. have a little trust in the people who are giveing you a FREE gift. or if your THAT offended by this awesome FREE gift give it to me. I'll pay 1 mill isk per hull you hate and want rid off thouse PI ships are AWESOME. oh and just for the morons out there this ship is FREE FREE FREE FREE, that means for NOTHING, dont look a gift ship in the **** pit.
Obvious CCP PR spy.
I'd trade mine for a Erebus. I can replace that.
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Vaedon
Black Dawn Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:31:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Silvana SilvY /signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
On the contrary. I've skimmed over the thread and haven't seen this suggestion (so apologies to anyone who previously posted it), but why not make the BPO the gift?
Give everyone the BPO, but don't put it up on the market. Then the ship can be reproduced, and the BPO's will (eventually) become more and more rare.
Just a thought
Vaedon Jack-of-all-trades...Master-of-none Vaedon Jack-of-all-trades...Master-of-none |
Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.06.28 13:55:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Tilc Jr /signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
Supported. Or put the Primae in ORE's LP store as a ship reward or BPC. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market or ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here! |
Lavraen
Minmatar Unknown-Entity Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:16:00 -
[265]
*rubs hands*
Free stuff!!!!!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:17:00 -
[266]
Had hoped to get some info from the devblog, instead it is just some RP talk.
What can the ship do? How is it doing what it should do? What are the stats? Are there plans for more PI ships? Why is it unique and not buildable/purchasable from npcs?
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Kamiko Hautala
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:59:00 -
[267]
God you all complain so much.
Leave EVE, then I'll consider your complaints valid.
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.28 20:32:00 -
[268]
Im sure someone asked this before but..
What does it DO???
on that blog it says nowhere what the ship is going to do.
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:16:00 -
[269]
Originally by: varin chace so people are whining about a BPO for a free PI ship they are getting. If there that bothered about it why would they even redeam this 'useless free ship' oh thats right its FREE. and stop assuming it wont be replacable. after all can you see any other PI ships out there? its something there promoting for dust. ORE will probly HAVE BPC LP rewards. stop jumping ahead of the game and whining about stuff that you have no way of knowing. have a little trust in the people who are giveing you a FREE gift. or if your THAT offended by this awesome FREE gift give it to me. I'll pay 1 mill isk per hull you hate and want rid off thouse PI ships are AWESOME. oh and just for the morons out there this ship is FREE FREE FREE FREE, that means for NOTHING, dont look a gift ship in the **** pit.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia As far as I know there are no BPO's coming out with this.
So if they all get blown up, they are gone.
Well that takes care of part of this emotive babble. Don't care to read the rest.
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Daenna Chrysi
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Posted - 2010.06.28 23:07:00 -
[270]
For one I like the idea of the ship, but the problem is, it will just sit in the safety of my hangar, getting occasionally hauled around when I move. I doubt I will even bother to fit her out for anything. Maybe I will sell her off when I am broke or something.
From all the gift ships, this definately needs to come out with the BPO, was it an LP reward or not.
Although I like the idea of PI, I am not impressed with it. It is a good idea, but it is just too much of a chore to keep my production going, losing my interest in it fast I am sorry to say.
There is stuff that people would much rather see, and this ship will be quite the waste of CCP resources. While I am happy to get a free ship, I would prefer to hear your people are getting back to work on something cool like walking in stations and such. Or you could fix the EVE voice...
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:27:00 -
[271]
Originally by: InnerDrive What does it DO???
Sit in your hanger.
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Irongecko
Minmatar Yarrfleet
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Posted - 2010.06.29 04:33:00 -
[272]
At least it has headlights.
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Roo Gryphon
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:57:00 -
[273]
Originally by: OrOr'Baroror So paying customers, just like anyone else, that happen to be on vacation and out of touch with the internetz while it can be obtained don't get it?
i plan on taking laptop and blackberry.. on that day log on get ship then log off before i rack up charges
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Lee009
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:00:00 -
[274]
Originally by: EYEDOLL Hurray.. another useless bearship.. first that shuttle, then that probing frig and now this. Another item to sell and replace with something useful v0v
Originally by: NeaxGrim so whats it do? hauler? or what?
Originally by: NeedMore Eggnog This is crap in every way possible.
This is a remote PI extraction and processing ship. eveonline has three types of games: combat, manufacturing, and market. If you don't like it, stop complaining and play something else.
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JacobsGladedage
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:30:00 -
[275]
If it looks anything like the picture it'll be my favorite hull in the game. :p Too bad I won't get to fly it much since it won't do anything my blockade runner can't, except get blown up real fast.
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:48:00 -
[276]
Make the Orca and the Miningbarges/Exhumers in the same design style and we carebears will win by the looks ;) - Dude where is my Charon? - |
Kane 369
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Posted - 2010.06.29 11:13:00 -
[277]
ok even tho i wasnt even mad about the very long downtime mostly cuz i had work but i love you guys the gifts are gonna help so much both of them so ty
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Monk Fish
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:01:00 -
[278]
Edited by: Monk Fish on 29/06/2010 12:04:49 I think folk are being
A: a bit ungratful, which is fine so long as CCP remember to ignore you. B: a bit ott on 'I'll never undock because mine will die', as the ship gets rarer the price will rise, and as there is liable to be over 200,000 of them I suspect they will never die out of eve unlike say the tournament ships of which there are 50, or some state ships and such of which there is maybe 1 in existance. In highsec I do not expect many folk to lose theres, unless they are carrying somthing valuble enough that its worth the highsec hit to kill you. And as so far as I know suiside ganking a Badger II doing a bit of PI is rather uncommon, I do not expect this to change. C: Am I disapointed that we don't have a new ore salvage ship?, no because ccp have never said they were doing one. Sure I would like one but I never expected one. - it ifs easyer for them to make one from this hull then hell yea sound good. D: The folk complaining that there not getting rid of skill training, well you got trolled did'nt ya ;p - haha. Considering skill training level 1 skills to level 4 give you most of the benefit and takes very little time, which you can reduce futher with implants make me thing your wanting more of an arcade game. I my self only trainined upto the top end of the second set of learning skills after I had been playing a year when I realised I would of started benefiting from them by now. I can only imagine how complex it would be to remove the training skillz from existance in a 'fair' way. I can't think of a 'fair' way to do it. And as for buying Skill points, screw that. If you want a higher skilled toon you can buy one with isk and pay $10's to have it moved to your account. E: last but not least, THANK YOU CCP, I will fly mine around (dunno how much) and be in full appreciation of the art departments work. I even renewed my alt toon, just so she could get one as well :) F: I also thank you for making up lost SP's, its the first time you have done it in the millions of years I have been playing, and I think its really nice of you. Thanks. G: If possible I can understand people who for special reasons can not access there active account over the period maybe should beable to e-mail a request for to be auto done? for them on the last day to your help desk or somthing. Presuming the volume is not to high, or maybe they can register the reqest though an option on the forums thus there is less load on your staff, I think it would be nice. I know from some of the corporations I have been in that there are a good number of Millitary or oil rig staff and such who have period of limited access. But I understand this is not a wish list thread, so thanks again for the new toy!
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Calis Kreios
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:48:00 -
[279]
thanks CCP remembered my birthday |
Ama Zing
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:35:00 -
[280]
surprise - surprise .... .... just hoping the crashes are history now http://i40.tinypic.com/154aov6.jpg |
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:01:00 -
[281]
Haven't looked at mine yet. So we'll see if there is some theoretical value to this ship over say ... a rookie ship ... which is all you actually need for PI. The command centers can be carried and installed from a rookie ship - after which - everything is done through the PI interface. There is no current function for a ship to perform. Maybe this ship has a function not mentioned but so far ... my question about this ship is "what does it actually do?"
In any case, EVE being EVE - the real, practical advantage to all the gift ships - is to hold onto them and then sell them years down the road when they've achieved collector status.
In order for these ships to be worth anything - they must be rare. Now - since people joining the game after the gift ship was given out can't get one - they have to buy it if they want one - that in and of itself will eventually make them rare.
However, there is another thing that will make them rare - which is blowing them up. Thus - there is a purpose to the random gankathon that follows any gift ship distribution. All those who are keeping them safe in their hangars for future sale - will be able to benefit from that sale more and sooner the faster these ships become rare. So ... anyone taking one of these ships out - is making a mistake.
Yes - it is nice for CCP to give us something - and - I'm happy to have a ship I may be able to sell as a collectible somewhere down the road - but - that's all gift ships are.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If you can't replace it - you can't afford to lose it.
*shrug*
Now - if they actually had some real purpose where they enhanced PI operations ... and they were being produced from BPO's ... then that would be great - but until that is the case ... mine are staying in the hangar.
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Helghast2250
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:47:00 -
[282]
Get the servers back up! I need to play with it!
Thanks for the gift CCP!
And get a BPO for this one pls
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deathpain
Gallente Affinity for Spades
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:17:00 -
[283]
Ok ccp thank you for the gift, however when you released the Zephyr that was a usefull ship, and I love mine.
I however dont see the use for this ship, it has minimal cargo and the four low slots which is the only slots on the ship can't be used for cargo expanders as it doesn't effect the cargo holds, so can one please tell me why I should use this ship to do PI runs rather then my itty, as my itty seems far superior in a million ways.
I dont mean to complain, I like getting free things. However other then being rather pretty it seems rather useless...
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Pex Baskerville
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:30:00 -
[284]
CCP i have a suggestion for you
look up the term MULTIPURPOSE on the net and incorporate that in your ship designs please
this ship has one task and as the prev poster said other ships do it better.
thanks anyway!!!
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O'Kurru
Gallente Castle Amber
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:31:00 -
[285]
@ Devs; Thank You :)
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cristari
Caldari Miners In Possession Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:46:00 -
[286]
Thanks for this Elite shuttle.
Cant see how this benefits PI more than my Industrial ship does at the moment so it looks like I have another pretty trophy for my Asset collection.
Might I suggest in the future you actually design one of these present ships to be something of a use in the game and not a worthless trophy.
Thanks again anyway!
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MmmCashews
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:44:00 -
[287]
any word on specs yet?
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PropheticWarrior
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:59:00 -
[288]
Looks cool! I like the idea of a PI dedicated ship. I only hope that the seeding of BPC's are in the works. I would hate to lose a ship I can't replace.
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Yttria
Caldari EVE-RO
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:09:00 -
[289]
Originally by: PropheticWarrior Looks cool! I like the idea of a PI dedicated ship. I only hope that the seeding of BPC's are in the works. I would hate to lose a ship I can't replace.
No worries, with a little imagination any t1 cruiser can outclass this ship ... C'mon ... 100m3 cargo / 1.600 m3 command center hold and 1.000 m3 Planetary Commodities ?
Any way pretty ship ---------------------------------- EVE Online - Romania www.eve-ro.net |
PropheticWarrior
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:27:00 -
[290]
I agree that the ship really needs a buff in the PI materials bay at the very least. I guess the small cargo bay is probably to keep the ship from competing with other industrial ships.
I wonder if CCP will buff the ship in a later update.
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SXYGeeK
Gallente do you -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:54:00 -
[291]
It does seem like the ship really doesn't do anything unique, other than perhaps the planetary comodeties bay, but it's size is easily outclassed by industrial vessels. blockade runners perform PI duties with great ease.
In my daily PI maintenance I shift holds of >5km/3 between planets, that'd be several trips in the primea.
the only place I can see this being of great benefit is unskilled alts that are just being used for planet slots in high sec where the volumes will be low and the charecter will not have skills to fly basic industrial vessels.
If the ship where given a few bonuses it could give it a much larger audience that would use it for general play. some idea's, perhaps not all of them, but a couple on this list could make it really unique....
- Competitive PI bay (5,000 to 10,000 m3 for PI comods only)
- +2 warp core stability (skiff has this, as does DST) for low sec operations.
- Planetary rocket interface (import/export goods from PI bay rather than customs office when in orbit)
- High slots and tractor bonus (it was meant to be a salvager)
- salvage drone role bonus (only ship which can operate salvage drones)
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Arth Lawing
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:31:00 -
[292]
I like those ideas from SXYGeek above.
The bit I don't get... Initially devised as a deep space salvage vessel for large-scale ore retrieval from destroyed ORE fleets in pirate-occupied areas
So ORE are out in Outer Ring mining with their hulks and their orcas and their rorquals decimating belts... their scout falls asleep and they all get wiped out by an incoming pirate fleet... and afterwards they decide to go clean up all the ore thats left with something this small? I think someone's confused this with an orca.
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:14:00 -
[293]
FOUR LOW SLOTS
I laugh at everyone who said salvager in this thread.
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Morgaaan
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:43:00 -
[294]
Edited by: Morgaaan on 29/06/2010 22:45:00 Edited by: Morgaaan on 29/06/2010 22:44:21 I would be happy to use this ship full time if only they gave it a 10k m3 comodity bay.The PI set up screams 10k bay,2x 5k for filling the storage bins and 10K for unloading from spaceport.I look at this 1k m3 commodity bay and think,"it must be a typo,why do this and kill any reason to use this fine lookig craft by making it worthless vs any t1 hauler"
CCP, plz fix the typo and patch this to 10k m3 commodity bay ...else its just gonna sit in station and collect dust ...which would be a shame.
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Kylie Minogues
ISA Istarska Svemirska agencija
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:15:00 -
[295]
This ship is pure incarnated piece of junk. C'mon, 4 low slots on 100m3 of space... CCP guys postponed the 1st of April joke, I guess, (tryin to PEAS us off?)
If it was meant to bzapp lazors and help digging something from the planet, orbiting, humming, making wonderful noises and a bit of lazor lightshow, I'd support it. But I'm wondering if this one is worth redeming at all with my other 2 accounts. (note to myself: check the REPROCESS FACILITY.)
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Beani Kliadi
Caldari Arekin Secure Holdings
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:53:00 -
[296]
This ship is fail,
Magnate vs Primae
A: Higher inertia modifier (4.12 vs 0.7) B: Can be fitted better with just slightly more cargo capacity than the Primae's Commodity Bay (1008.7 m3 vs 1000 m3) C: Has the bonus of been a scanning bonused ship D: Smaller signature radius (43m vs 150m) E: Can fit a micro warp drive F: Replaceable G: Lighter than Primae (1,072,000 kg vs 15,000,000 kg) H: Higher maximum velocity (296 m/sec vs 200 m/sec) I: Can be packaged into an industrial (2,500 m3 vs 20,000 m3 packaged)
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A: Doesn't require skills to fly B: Looks cool C: Has more structure, armor and shields D: 60km maximum targeting range
Primae's Command Center Bay is generaly useless. It would only be used when launching command centers to the planet, there after (to actualy go back and use the Commodity Bay) it would be useless.
Primae is a novalty ship, something you can store in your ship hanger. Can't even be made into a musemum piece. Follows in the path of the Interbus Shuttle and Apotheosis.
Such a pitty, if this 'industrial' was more useful it might have a longer life past the redeem button.
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Fred Kyong
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Posted - 2010.06.30 03:58:00 -
[297]
This is the BEST designed ship in EVE I ever did see. Thanks CCP, please keep it rolling!
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Vbv58H
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:37:00 -
[298]
Ok please please just make the commodites bay so that u could put raw planetary materials in it it is PI stuff anyway.
P.S. could u guys make it so that u could export cmmodities directly to the primae please. Also it would be nice to have like a bounus on export/import taxes or a remote sensing bounus.
P.S.S. also u should make the primae's command hold smaller(nobody carries 4 command centers in one ship)and make the commodities bay bigger so its like 4000m3-5000m3 that would be great ty ccp!!
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Achmed TheDead
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Posted - 2010.06.30 06:57:00 -
[299]
The Primae is useless. a base industrial can do it better.
the only good thing about the primae, is that it looks bloody awesome.
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Kimbeau Surveryor
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Posted - 2010.06.30 09:02:00 -
[300]
Now if the PI hold was a corporate one, it would make transfers between co-operating PI-ers just that tad easier, and give the Primea something to set it apart from industrials ... :-)
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sir endicott
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:03:00 -
[301]
have to admit the idea was sound enough ....... the implementation however lacked any forthought whatsoever this decent looking item is about worthless I will get more use out of my spare shuttles
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Tapaidh
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:21:00 -
[302]
/signed for the BPO and not for GIFT
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Trumpkin
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:13:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Vbv58H
P.S.S. also u should make the primae's command hold smaller(nobody carries 4 command centers in one ship)and make the commodities bay bigger so its like 4000m3-5000m3 that would be great ty ccp!!
Maybe you haven't noticed but the Elite PCC is 1,600 m¦, which explains the rather odd size. But ya, the commodity hold totally sucks. |
PropheticWarrior
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Posted - 2010.07.01 02:08:00 -
[304]
I agree with a lot of what SxyGeek proposes and so here's my suggestion for some changes to the Primae.
Seed BPOs or BPCs to build this baby.
Suggested Materials (perfect ME) Tritanium: 305,258 Pyrite: 75,287 Zydrine: 241 Nocxium: 1087 Mexalon: 23,872 Megacyte: 50 Isogen: 5282
High Slots: 2 Mid Slots: 2 Low Slots: 2 Rig Slots: 2
Cargo: 100 m3 Drone Bay: 15 m3 Command Center Bay: 1600 m3 PI Material Bay: 5000 m3
bonus to salvage chance bonus to tractor beam range bonus to warp strength
What do you all think?
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Lusulpher
Sinister Elite Supremacy.
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Posted - 2010.07.01 06:30:00 -
[305]
Edited by: Lusulpher on 01/07/2010 06:31:05
Originally by: SXYGeeK It does seem like the ship really doesn't do anything unique, other than perhaps the planetary comodeties bay, but it's size is easily outclassed by industrial vessels. blockade runners perform PI duties with great ease.
In my daily PI maintenance I shift holds of >5km/3 between planets, that'd be several trips in the primea.
the only place I can see this being of great benefit is unskilled alts that are just being used for planet slots in high sec where the volumes will be low and the charecter will not have skills to fly basic industrial vessels.
If the ship where given a few bonuses it could give it a much larger audience that would use it for general play. some idea's, perhaps not all of them, but a couple on this list could make it really unique....
- Competitive PI bay (5,000 to 10,000 m3 for PI comods only)
- +2 warp core stability (skiff has this, as does DST) for low sec operations.
- Planetary rocket interface (import/export goods from PI bay rather than customs office when in orbit)
- High slots and tractor bonus (it was meant to be a salvager)
- salvage drone role bonus (only ship which can operate salvage drones)
"Now if the PI hold was a corporate one, it would make transfers between co-operating PI-ers just that tad easier, and give the Primea something to set it apart from industrials ... :-)"
Copy pasting to show CCP how it's done...if they played the game this would not be an issue.
Also, Apotheosis is immune to Jovian rats...that was my idea a year before the Zephyr came out.
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PropheticWarrior
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:32:00 -
[306]
I found this thread in the Assembly Hall: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1343238
So if you would like the bpo for the Primae seeded, it can't hurt to show a little support. I just hope the CSM and CCP pay attention.
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Wiliiam Athalis
Caldari Line Ark Industries Section Eight's
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Posted - 2010.07.02 05:29:00 -
[307]
Wow nice ship. Thank for making it free. |
Frekiegras
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:49:00 -
[308]
Edited by: Frekiegras on 07/07/2010 22:49:30 Edited by: Frekiegras on 07/07/2010 22:49:16 Will CCP ever get it right? What a useless ship, a great concept spoilt because ccp devs dont understand their own game.. I'll just warp backwards and forwards 10 times to empty my spaceport or just use a sigil perhaps....
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Vels Eikar
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Posted - 2010.07.13 05:26:00 -
[309]
Pulling all the Primae offers a few hours ahead of schedule was an insult to all serial procrastinators.
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Veron Nostal
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:31:00 -
[310]
Thanks for the free gift, didn't even realise i had a gift waiting. I must add though apart from its only ability to assist in the ititial scanning responce of planets and its rather diminished cargo space even for Commodities. Now I have a few planatary installations running, i find it easier to use an industries bursting with expander II's.
The Command Center has a capacity of 500 m3 The Storage Facility has a capacity of 5000 m3 The Launch Pad has a Capacity of 10,000 m3 The Plantary Customs Station has a capacity of 25,000 m3
Why then does the commodities cargo bay on the free ship only hold 1000 m3, bulk exporting is workable, but not with a ship that was meant for this purpose. |
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Zorpaco
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:24:00 -
[311]
Oops I missed the deadline had some hardware issues and missed it, next time at least give us 30 days for those that log-in less often for varies reasons! As my birthday is close to Eve's I'll make it a point to log in more often around that time. A few others I know also missed this offer, anyway thanks for the limited time gift! Mahalo! Zorpaco
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