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asdfasdfadfasdf
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:11:00 -
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I think the best way to do it, would be to take the market price of the BPO's and give the players that own them, the isk they are worth... The BPO's has got to go, you guys honestly expect new guys to keep playing eve when they find out about this ? If wow devs heard of this they would laugh their ass off at CCP incompetence, how they managed to let this happen i dont know it is beyond incompetent...
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Scott Ryder
Amarr
art of eve
Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:21:00 -
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 Originally by: asdfasdfadfasdf
I think the best way to do it, would be to take the market price of the BPO's and give the players that own them, the isk they are worth... The BPO's has got to go, you guys honestly expect new guys to keep playing eve when they find out about this ? If wow devs heard of this they would laugh their ass off at CCP incompetence, how they managed to let this happen i dont know it is beyond incompetent...
What is this new trolling where blizzard and t2 bpos are always mentioned? Do you guys have some kinda club?
But seriusly, everyone has the equal opertunity today to buy a t2 bpo. Stop whining.
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ZOppp
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:59:00 -
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CCP aren't gunna remove them cause you say it sways the game in favour of the older players. Why not just remove every item and every ship and skill points; we can just all fly Reapers. But then, you'd complain the older players have had more time playing and therefore naturally have an advantage.
Older players are meant to have an advantage. MMOs need long-term steady subscribers to fund themselves, and that's what older players tend to be. They have an advantage because they've poured more money and time into the game and its economy than you.
tl;dr - failing to understand the genre of game you play doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be removed.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:40:00 -
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/me is still loling at LHA and his rediculous crusade 
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Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: ZOppp
They have an advantage because they've poured more money and time into the game and its economy than you.
tl;dr - failing to understand the genre of game you play doesn't mean T2 BPOs should be removed.
More importantly, they had to have something to strive for and try to obtain through hard work. T2 BPO's are something that can take a long time to earn, remove them and what else do people have to try and get?
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Morek Doohour
Melt's in your Mouth Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:03:00 -
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I personally have been playing for many years now . I have the same problem OP does , no T2 BPO's . Yet I was playing when the "lottery" system was still in place . If i want one , I am at the same point as any other player out there .. save up and buy one ! Yes get ready to spend billions on it . Last time i looked into it the payof time for a T2 bpo was somewhere around 2 years of straight manufacturing to cover the cost of it . soory i do not want to have to worry about doing something almost everyday just to pay for an invstment of that caliber 
My advice to OP would be to accept the fact that if you want one work for it or just drop it . a game mechanic that has been around since the start of this game is not needed to lvl the playing field ... if anything else invention has leveled it fine as the prices of T2 items made by bpo's had to drop from the higher value preinvention prices where it was a i can charge this much cause i am the only one making it to sell type of deal .
leave the T2 bpo's alone and let invention pull up the slack and keep the prices of T2 items down!!
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Toribo
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Posted - 2010.08.02 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
Better yet, team up with the anti-learning skills crowd. They are foaming at the mouth for nerf-batting existing game mechanics and welfare programs for newbs.
Idiot.
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TheTradeMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.02 13:45:00 -
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The way to remove T2 BPO's is easy.
CCP create an unknown alt account\multiple alt accounts
Alts place "WTB threads" untill they own all the T2BPOs
Alts then publicly destroy the bpos outside jita.
BPO's removed, preveous owners paid off, market ****ed.
job done
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.02 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: TheTradeMonkey
The way to remove T2 BPO's is easy.
CCP create an unknown alt account\multiple alt accounts
Alts place "WTB threads" untill they own all the T2BPOs
Alts then publicly destroy the bpos outside jita.
BPO's removed, preveous owners paid off, market ****ed.
job done
Dont be surprised if this actually is happening. This is the only way to effectively remove them from the game whilst not ****ing anyone off.
What makes it sweeter is the issue of knowledge. Know one trully knows how many bpo's are actually left ingame of each class.
Lastly it trully could never be tied back to ccp. Everyone might just suspect it though five years from now when bpo's show up on the sell order forum at a rate of 1 a month. |
Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2010.08.02 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Morek Doohour
I personally have been playing for many years now . I have the same problem OP does , no T2 BPO's . Yet I was playing when the "lottery" system was still in place . If i want one , I am at the same point as any other player out there .. save up and buy one ! Yes get ready to spend billions on it . Last time i looked into it the payof time for a T2 bpo was somewhere around 2 years of straight manufacturing to cover the cost of it . soory i do not want to have to worry about doing something almost everyday just to pay for an invstment of that caliber
My advice to OP would be to accept the fact that if you want one work for it or just drop it . a game mechanic that has been around since the start of this game is not needed to lvl the playing field ... if anything else invention has leveled it fine as the prices of T2 items made by bpo's had to drop from the higher value preinvention prices where it was a i can charge this much cause i am the only one making it to sell type of deal .
leave the T2 bpo's alone and let invention pull up the slack and keep the prices of T2 items down!!
They aren't listening  they are so sure that the grass is greener. They are blinded to the fact that practcally everything on the market is invented. The guys who are screwing your profits aren't the T2 BPO holders its the Morons who thing mins are free.
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Karugan
BavTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:23:00 -
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Tech 2 Bppo's are a part of eve so get used to it and complain about something else, oh and no i dont have any
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Da Bandit
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Narfas Deteis
Originally by: Da Bandit
Just change them all back to T1 BPOs and then they can be invented to T2 BPCs like everyone else.
...and do same thing to all ships and modules.
Who wants T2 stuff anyway? It's disadvantage to new players.
No, leave T2 stuff as it is. Just change all T2 BPOs to T1. That way they are removed from the game. Players owning them arent really disadvantaged, they get to keep the T1 BPO, however they just then need to use invention going forward like everyone else.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:09:00 -
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To the OP: Mathematics m8, get a grip of it before you start to discuss a subject you clearly know very little about.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Da Bandit
Originally by: Narfas Deteis
Originally by: Da Bandit
Just change them all back to T1 BPOs and then they can be invented to T2 BPCs like everyone else.
...and do same thing to all ships and modules.
Who wants T2 stuff anyway? It's disadvantage to new players.
No, leave T2 stuff as it is. Just change all T2 BPOs to T1. That way they are removed from the game. Players owning them arent really disadvantaged, they get to keep the T1 BPO, however they just then need to use invention going forward like everyone else.
WTF? Are you serious? Hey ive got a nice piece of real estate ill sell you 500 miles east of florida. Real cheap. Interested? |
Lirinas
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Posted - 2010.08.03 16:10:00 -
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Since this post has nothing to do with existing game mechanics, this should be moved to the "Ideas" forum. And for my 2 cents on the topic:
People have been whining about T2 BPO's since they came out. I'm of the opinion that they should remain. They exist in smaller and smaller numbers, as BPO's are destroyed, or people quit the game and the blueprint lays fallow in an unused hanger.
If they do decide to eliminate BPO's, there would need to be 2 or 3 changes to other existing mechanisms before I'd be happy. Make invention a little more useful and less tedious. While invention isn't the horrendous clickfest that PI is, it's needed some TLC for a while. Give us options to increase the runs on the invented BPC, give us the ability to re-research the resultant BPC, and give us the means of increasing our chance of success. It irritates me to no end how I apparently learn nothing from repeated invention attempts at a single job. Generally speaking, if somebody does something repeatedly, they'd learn from their mistakes and get better at it?
Change #2: Make Moon-mining open to all players, and not just the mega-alliances? How? I've not a clue, but by the OP's logic, this would need to be addressed to "even the playing field"
Following the OP's logic, while we're at it, we should delete all legacy items people have that are no-longer dropped. Guardian Vexors? Gone. Elite Mining Drones? Gone. Mines and their BPO's? Gone. Hell, we should get rid of the Zephyr ship that was given to everybody back a little while ago. They're only available from other players just like T2 BPO's, so they should be removed too.
o.k... done ranting.
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Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.03 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
Group togethor with all your T2 BPO hater buddies.
Make donations to a fund.
When you have enough isk in the fund , buy some t2 BPO's then trash them.
If so many people hate T2 BPO's you should have no problem achiving this goal.
if they had t2 bpo's they wouldnt be t2 bpo haters
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Vee Raa
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.08.03 18:14:00 -
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The horse is dead, Jim.
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Da Bandit
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
Originally by: Da Bandit
Originally by: Narfas Deteis
Originally by: Da Bandit
Just change them all back to T1 BPOs and then they can be invented to T2 BPCs like everyone else.
...and do same thing to all ships and modules.
Who wants T2 stuff anyway? It's disadvantage to new players.
No, leave T2 stuff as it is. Just change all T2 BPOs to T1. That way they are removed from the game. Players owning them arent really disadvantaged, they get to keep the T1 BPO, however they just then need to use invention going forward like everyone else.
WTF? Are you serious? Hey ive got a nice piece of real estate ill sell you 500 miles east of florida. Real cheap. Interested?
Whats the big deal, the T2 BPOs were all given out free of charge originally anyways?
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:00:00 -
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Free to get, free to take away... of course massive emorage would come so, just pay em the face value... one time lump sum of isk.
TBH ccp can fix the cost of smaller ships making them take like nothing to invent, and so what if prices go up? O well... It be nice for people to get into ship invention at the frig level...
Invention / biulding is in no way as bad as PI is... (I did PI and I do t2 biulding/inventing) ya I haz hs tower, corp affair to biuld t2... and it cost me all of maybe 5bill... yep now go get a hulk bpo at 100bill... not to mention the prices of t2 bpos ATM, you need to resell to make any money, so it aint even spend 100bill and make it back in a year or 2, it is spend 100bill... make a little.... and resell... IDC if I had bpo's I'd use em to buy more to take em out of the game.
No reason those t2 bpo's cant start getting old and fall apart.
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KaetheYsera
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Posted - 2010.08.09 08:44:00 -
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1) Add T2 BPOs back
2) Remove all T2 BPOs and replace them with a stack of 10 T1 BPOs with the same ME
3) Buff invention until it's competitive with T2 BPOs
I don't really care which one, but one should be done. If there's any issue that makes me want to quit, it's this one (knowing that T2 production is not a competitive area because players who were here before me have an item I can't obtain anymore).
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: KaetheYsera
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I don't really care which one, but one should be done. If there's any issue that makes me want to quit, it's this one (knowing that T2 production is not a competitive area because players who were here before me have an item I can't obtain anymore).
Go to Sell forum. NOW!
You can also check contracts.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: KaetheYsera
1) Add T2 BPOs back
2) Remove all T2 BPOs and replace them with a stack of 10 T1 BPOs with the same ME
3) Buff invention until it's competitive with T2 BPOs
I don't really care which one, but one should be done. If there's any issue that makes me want to quit, it's this one (knowing that T2 production is not a competitive area because players who were here before me have an item I can't obtain anymore).
No.
No.
No.
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Selling Slave
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Posted - 2010.08.14 02:05:00 -
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The T2 BPO lottery left a lot of people high an dry, only a select few won.
Those that did win a BPO reaped the rewards, those that didn't were stuck, either spend billions on buying one from someone who has one, or don't.
The people who have spent billions on obtaining these BPOs, they have spent either a great deal of time an effort making the isk, or a lot of real money buying GTCs to get the isk.
What CCP did was create a problem that has festered for far too long, an gotten out of check.
CCP should of never introduced the T2 BPO, they should of forced everyone to do inventing, this would of left everything fair for all, an none of the whinning an trolling would of ever happened.
Now, real life says the world isn't fair, an if you don't like it not being fair, too bad.
Whats the ultimate answer to this problem, well, thats up to CCP to decide, they are the ones who created this mess, it's time they owned up to it, an cleaned it up.
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slipperywhenhappy
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Posted - 2010.08.15 17:33:00 -
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LOL wow I feel smarting from reading this thread. rl is not fair deal with it Tarawa even though you are ether not able to or not willing to work to buy t2 bpo's off the mark it don't have a fit trying to get them removed. The case of the matter is they are out there and can still be gotten though you have to work for them how do you think they trade hands in the 1st place? other then the odd ship that is blown up and drops one. They are made by people smart enough to figure out how to make money in this game. Yes the lotto was not the best idea but it was out there and happened. If you want to cry about not playing in the lotto nor having the skills not be in the lotto at the time go back to wow... or quit eave will offer you 2 isk for your toon so i can just bio mass it and make eve smarter as a hole.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.15 18:00:00 -
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"Perhaps I've been thinking of the T2 BPO thing the wrong way" by LHA Tarawa.
Posted - 2010.08.11 16:12:00.
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Greyson Stone
Amarr
Phoenix Industries
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:18:00 -
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Let the people who have the T2 bpos keep them, end of drama.
What seriously needs to be done is tweek inventing so it isn't so crappy. The base -ME is a joke, an I agree with the person who posted up a few posts, that inventors should get better with time. Seriously, you do something enough times it becomes easier an easier.
As for a history lesson about the lottery, it was a joke. Some people got nothing, others walked away with 2 or more T2 bpos, an some who did get T2 bpos got ones that weren't even worth wiping your behind with.
Personally, I make lots of isk off inventing, an I don't see investing my isk on a T2 bpo to be an investment I would make. Paying 100 billion for a bpo, how many years is it going to take to make back the isk it took to buy it? Way too long on a return, an far too long before you EVER start to see a profit. Lets face one important fact, all MMOs eventually cave to people whinning about something long enough. How much longer before CCP does something about T2 bpos? Maybe never, or maybe next month, who knows? I personally am not risking my isk on a maybe, there are far more worthy investments to be had.
So, if you want change, keep whinning, eventually your gonna get something. Maybe CCP will get sick of the crying an ban topics that have anything to do with T2 bpos in them.
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Ratuu
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.21 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ratuu on 21/08/2010 21:19:06
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
If the foot were on the other shoe, you would not feel the same.
Don't think for one moment that everyone who doesn't have a BPO feels the same way as you.
Been playing for nearly 7 years now, never had T2 BPO but don't resent the folks who do have them. Invention works fine, props in the luck department to those that have the BPOs.
I'm happy with the way invention is at the moment, could be better but..meh, so could a lot of things - you seem to be one of few who aren't happy judging by the momentum of this thread.
You're very good at assuming the moral highground in the name of others, righteous indignation can only take you so far however; after that, you've got to make arguments that make sense in the face of counter-arguments. Yours don't, you just repeat yourself and that's the MO of someone who is either trolling or has their fingers burnt in someone elses pie and is just angry about something. Doesn't make you right though.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:35:00 -
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All owners of T2 BPOs actually should see their precious T2 BPOs disappear. That is my opinion.
Reasons:
- EVE is just a game, get over it, loss is meaningful, T2 BPO owner tears are best tears, etc.
- the T2 BPO owners did make a lot of ISKs with them, so they have nothing to complain about
- do not bother the devs with request for new mechanics to sort out old problems, just get rid of the problem as easily as possible and move on
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 22:55:35
Originally by: Whitehound
All owners of T2 BPOs actually should see their precious T2 BPOs disappear. That is my opinion.
Your account should burst into flames. That is my opinion.
We seldom ever get what we want though, now do we ? No, we don't... *sigh*
Originally by: Whitehound
the T2 BPO owners did make a lot of ISKs with them, so they have nothing to complain about
Except the vast majority of T2 BPO types have a lousier profit-making opportunity compared to most T1 BPOs.
Also, what about people that RECENTLY became T2 BPO owners ?
Originally by: Whitehound
do not bother the devs with request for new mechanics to sort out old problems, just get rid of the problem as easily as possible and move on
Removing T2 BPOs while not radically altering invention means a lot of seldom-used items go away for good.
And if you're going to bother the devs to tweak invention to "fix" that too, that'll turn all T2 BPOs into low-actual-value (yet still overpriced) pieces of memorabilia anyway, so why bother removing them anymore ?
So... right back at you. There is no actual problem with T2 BPOs, don't bother the devs about it.
Originally by: Whitehound
EVE is just a game, get over it, loss is meaningful, T2 BPO owner tears are best tears, etc.
I have to agree with you, the T2 tears are delicious. However it's not those of the T2 BPO owners, but those of people who hold views similar to yours.
Keeping the T2 BPOs in place ensures a continuous stream of grade-A mathematically-challenged jerk tears, so regardless of anything else, that's one of the best reasons to KEEP them.
Alternatively, T2 BPOs are here to stay, EVE is just a game, get over it.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Except the vast majority of T2 BPO types have a lousier profit-making opportunity compared to most T1 BPOs.
That is not a problem.
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Also, what about people that RECENTLY became T2 BPO owners ?
What about them? They are hardly any different from those who had T2 BPOs for a long time, nor are they much different from those players who never had one.
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Removing T2 BPOs while not radically altering invention means a lot of seldom-used items go away for good.
And if you're going to bother the devs to tweak invention to "fix" that too, that'll turn all T2 BPOs into low-actual-value (yet still overpriced) pieces of memorabilia anyway, so why bother removing them anymore ?
So... right back at you. There is no actual problem with T2 BPOs, don't bother the devs about it.
No, not right back at me, Akita. Stop being a troll. Players have suggested complex changes to compensate for the remove of T2 BPOs. I think there is no need for complex changes. Just get rid of them. There is a "have and not-have" situation and that is always a problem.
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