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Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:16:00 - [151] Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion Please quote where Akita made such a claim. No, go and set my account on fire. --
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:19:00 - [152] Originally by: Whitehound However, I do not want to deny you a compensation (nor is it for me to give a compensation). I only want to see the T2 BPOs removed. You should however be able to say why you want a compensation instead of using all caps. If you cannot say why you deserve a compensation then how should the developers measure a good compensation? IIRC, and it's possible that I don't, I'm not his biographer - Akita doesn't even own any BPOs. The aversion is to the wholly arbitrary destruction of players' assets for no appreciable benefit to the game as a whole. Quote: For the sake of arguing, I still think that the owners of T2 BPOs have an advantage over those who have to use invention and that any compensation for a removal is a mere false perception. They have an advantage and... so what? What is your point? Players with more isk have more advantages. Players with supercaps have more advantages. Players with more SPs have more advantages. Players with access to better space have more advantages. None of these advantages are static, nor are any of them insurmountable. If you think BPOs confer such a huge advantage, then go buy one! They are really quite easily attained. Head on over to the sell orders forum on any given day and you'll probably see over a dozen for sale. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Nahkep Narmelion Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:21:00 - [153] Edited by: Nahkep Narmelion on 22/08/2010 18:22:31 Quote: It was a lottery, not hard work, that made T2 BPOs available for some players. In comparison, getting a Titan is hard work and a lot of patience. Either you are a troll or incredibly ignorant. People who participated in the lottery worked very hard as your chances increased the more RP you had. People would grind endlessly for RP sometimes over multiple accounts to maximize their chances. So either you know this and are trolling, or you are incredibly ignorant. Hmmm 2009.02.02 for your first employment...I'll go with incredibly ignorant unless you are an alt of much older character.
Harris	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:34:00 - [154] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Harris It's already fair for all. No, it is not, or else would we not have these threads. Yes it is. We have these threads because you like to argue against other people's logic for kicks. That and that some folks are blinkered and have only been in this game for 2 minutes and perceive every thing that others have that they don't as 'unfair'. As explained, anyone can get T2 BPOs by buying them. Anyone can get more SP'd characters by buying them. Anyone can get more isk by selling plex. Anyone can do anything they want in this game by applying a little bit of noggin and/or a bit of elbow grease. That you are possibly unwilling to do either doesn't make you right. Either that or you're a troll, but we covered that already.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:37:00 - [155] Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion People who participated in the lottery worked very hard as your chances increased the more RP you had. People would grind endlessly for RP sometimes over multiple accounts to maximize their chances. And none of the new players will ever get to know what this was like. So the same question to you: what kind of compensation to you expect to get in return for a removal of the T2 BPOs? Is it skillpoints, ISKs, an apology by CCP?? --
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:38:00 - [156] You don't seem to grasp that the vast majority of present-day BPO holders did not acquire them through the lottery. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Nahkep Narmelion Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:45:00 - [157] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion People who participated in the lottery worked very hard as your chances increased the more RP you had. People would grind endlessly for RP sometimes over multiple accounts to maximize their chances. And none of the new players will ever get to know what this was like. So the same question to you: what kind of compensation to you expect to get in return for a removal of the T2 BPOs? Is it skillpoints, ISKs, an apology by CCP?? I don't own any T2 BPOs. I know, probably think I'm lying, but I don't care. At best, isk compensation. The value that the character paid for it when they bought it at the very least. One could argue that they could get paid the discounted profits for say 5 years as well...or longer. Heck we could discount it out to infinity.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 18:59:00 - [158] Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion I don't own any T2 BPOs. I know, probably think I'm lying, but I don't care. At best, isk compensation. The value that the character paid for it when they bought it at the very least. One could argue that they could get paid the discounted profits for say 5 years as well...or longer. Heck we could discount it out to infinity. So you believe a T2 BPO has a major, if not infinite, financial advantage for its owner, while at the same time you do not posses a T2 BPO to backup your believe. And you believe that it has this value after some players ran R&D agents and won such a BPO in the lottery. Do you think that this is fair? CCP is now going to remove the ghost accumulation of RP points. What kind of compensation do you feel necessary to be given here? --
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.08.22 19:02:00 - [159] Originally by: Whitehound CCP is now going to remove the ghost accumulation of RP points. What kind of compensation do you feel necessary to be given here? They're not removing RPs that have already been accumulated, just the ability to accumulate future RPs. Your analogy fails. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Nahkep Narmelion Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE	Posted - 2010.08.22 19:15:00 - [160] Edited by: Nahkep Narmelion on 22/08/2010 19:18:04 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion I don't own any T2 BPOs. I know, probably think I'm lying, but I don't care. At best, isk compensation. The value that the character paid for it when they bought it at the very least. One could argue that they could get paid the discounted profits for say 5 years as well...or longer. Heck we could discount it out to infinity. So you believe a T2 BPO has a major, if not infinite, financial advantage for its owner, while at the same time you do not posses a T2 BPO to backup your believe. And you believe that it has this value after some players ran R&D agents and won such a BPO in the lottery. Do you think that this is fair? CCP is now going to remove the ghost accumulation of RP points. What kind of compensation do you feel necessary to be given here? No, I think T2 BPOs have a financial value. Does that mean they have an advantage over invention? That is arguable, IMO. Sure the T2 BPO can be researched, increasing its value BTW, and thus produce at a lower costs. Creating extra profit on a per module basis, but a good inventor can likely out produce the T2 BPO holder thereby negating the extra profit, or maybe even exceeding it. So, it is an empirical question and one that likely varies from T2 BPO to T2 BPO. Still, the fact that it has a financial value, both in and outside the game, means that arbitrarily taking it from a player is unfair, at least without compensation. As for owning T2 BPOs, I prefer the flexibility of invention. A market goes to crap, I move on to the next one without having a mega pile of isk tied up in a single investment. Diversification, its good for you....unless you have so much isk you can afford to do both. Sadly I don't have that much isk. Quote: CCP is now going to remove the ghost accumulation of RP points. What kind of compensation do you feel necessary to be given here? Linky please. But assuming it is true, I have less of a problem with this as it is like ghost training...why should people train and not pay, while I pay and train. It is, in a way free riding off of me and the rest of the players who continuously pay their subs to keep the game alive. Edit: Quote: They're not removing RPs that have already been accumulated, just the ability to accumulate future RPs. Your analogy fails. Ahh, should have stopped to read surrendermonkey, always a good thing to do IMO, but there you go....letting them keep what they already acquired and preventing acquisition of more. Kinda like T2 BPOs.

Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 19:30:00 - [161] Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion Linky please. devblog --
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.22 19:42:00 - [162] Crap on a crutch, Whitehound, you can't possibly be this stupid and still retain the ability to form coherent sentences in writing, so I'm going to have to assume you are either skip-reading only tiny parts of what you respond to OR plain old trolling OR a masochist. YES, T2 BPOs do give their owners an advantage. But NOT an unfair advantage, just an advantage. The advantage they give is counterbalanced by their market value, you have to decide if you'd rather have a bulk sum of X ISK now, or a much smaller sum Y on a regular basis from now on until you decide to sell it eventually, when the price will be Z, different from X. That, plus several other invalid "why we hate T2 BPO" arguments are repeatedly shot down here, where you seem to be afraid to go. AND YES, most of the current owners of T2 BPOs HAVE worked hard to get them. That's due to TWO separate things. First, because it wasn't a "one lot for every person" lottery, but a "1 RP per lot" lottery, and getting RP _was_ hard work. Sure, there was some degree of luck involved, but nowhere near as much as you seem to think there was. Mostly it was just hard work. Second, because almost all of the valuable T2 BPOs (and most T2 BPOs in general) are no longer in the hands of people that obtained them from the lottery, but in the hands of people that PURCHASED them from the previous owners (hell knows how many hands some particular T2 BPOs have been through), the same way anybody else could do right now. LET'S HAVE SEVERAL HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIOS THEN... AND SAY WHICH ONE IS OK AND WHICH ONE ISN'T, AND WHY. Scenario 1 : You work and work and work and get 101 bil ISK in your wallet. CCP decides all player wallets should be capped at 1 bil ISK. You lose 100 bil ISK. Scenario 2 : I give you 100 bil ISK. A while passes. Then I change my mind and ask CCP to give me that ISK back. You lose 100 bil ISK. Scenario 3 : I buy a T2 BPO for 100 bil ISK. I give you the T2 BPO, you gleefully put up a WTA and the last bidder said "100 bil". CCP removes T2 BPOs with no warning before you get a chance to complete the transaction. You lose assets that were worth 100 bil ISK. Scenario 4 : You have 100 bil ISK which you earned through hard work. You buy a 100 bil ISK BPO. CCP removes all T2 BPOs. You lose assets that were worth 100 bil ISK. Scenario 5 : You were around during the lottery and you won a T2 BPO that is worth 100 bil ISK now if you sold it. CCP removes all T2 BPOs. You lose assets that were worth 100 bil ISK. Scenario 6 : You bought a T2 BPO for 200 bil ISK three years ago. It would be worth 100 bil ISK now if you sold it. CCP removes T2 BPOs. You lose assets that were worth 100 bil ISK. Scenario 7 : You were around during the lottery and you won a T2 BPO that would be worth 100 bil ISK now if you still had it and tried to sell it. YOU HAVE SOLD IT THREE YEARS AGO FOR 200 BIL ISK. You don't give a damn if CCP removes all T2 BPOs. You lose nothing. Scenario 8 : Person A sold a T2 BPO to person B three years ago for 200 bil ISK. The blueprint is worth 100 bil ISK on the market. CCP removes all T2 BPOs and takes out 200 bil ISK from person A's wallet. Person A loses 200 bil ISK, person B loses assets that were worth 100 bil ISK. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 20:24:00 - [163] Edited by: Whitehound on 22/08/2010 20:31:06 Originally by: Akita T ... I still want to see them removed. I am not interested in hypothetical scenarios or pretty arguments. --
Harris	Posted - 2010.08.22 20:42:00 - [164] Edited by: Harris on 22/08/2010 20:42:22 Originally by: Whitehound I still want to see them removed. I am not interested in hypothetical scenarios or pretty arguments. I don't want to see them removed. That puts the tally at 2-1 at least. You lose fella.
Yansa Tholus	Posted - 2010.08.22 21:01:00 - [165] CCP will not remove them from the game. This thread is pointless. CCP will not remove State Ravens, Guardian-Vexors, or anything unique from the game. Only way to remove them is eather shoot them or trash them.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.22 21:30:00 - [166] Edited by: Akita T on 22/08/2010 21:32:40 Originally by: Whitehound I still want to see them removed. I am not interested in hypothetical scenarios or pretty arguments. So, basically you're saying "I don't care I have absolutely no good reason, I want CCP to make XYZ happen just because I said so" ? <long list of expletives deleted> Just... just GTFO. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 22:20:00 - [167] Originally by: Akita T So, basically you're saying "I don't care I have absolutely no good reason, I want CCP to make XYZ happen just because I said so" ? No. I am saying that I do not have pretty reasons. The good reasons have been mentioned by others before me and do not need repeating. --
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.22 22:23:00 - [168] Originally by: Harris That puts the tally at 2-1 at least. You lose fella. Seeing you count to three is a win. --
umah	Posted - 2010.08.22 22:59:00 - [169] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion Linky please. devblog This change is irrelevant to the discussion. CCP is not removing role point accumulation on active accounts.
umah	Posted - 2010.08.22 23:09:00 - [170] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Harris That puts the tally at 2-1 at least. You lose fella. Seeing you count to three is a win. Y is better than Z, so make Y worse. Get rid of X because its hard to get X's. What's the point of this game if you can't win nice things? T2 BPO's are nice things to have. When you gank an indy, and it has a T2 BPO in the hold, don't you feel happy? Stop being a prig.

Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.22 23:38:00 - [171] Edited by: Akita T on 22/08/2010 23:41:19 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Akita T So, basically you're saying "I don't care I have absolutely no good reason, I want CCP to make XYZ happen just because I said so" ? No. I am saying that I do not have pretty reasons. The good reasons have been mentioned by others before me and do not need repeating. You never mentioned to good reason so far ("good" as in "legitimate", "making sense", "logical"). Not a single one. In fact, all you did mention _were_ "pretty" reasons, with sunshine and flowers and equality for all and other such complete nonsense as far as EVE is concerned... among a host of "PETTY" reasons. If I somehow missed one such alleged legitimate reason, feel free to repeat it. We're all waiting. P.S. Feel free to put it IN HERE when you recall it. That thread is called "To people that want to remove T2 BPOs : give a GOOD reason why", so, you know, if you actually have one, it should go in there, as there is not one of such kind in there yet. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.08.23 02:49:00 - [172] Edited by: Jovialmadness on 23/08/2010 02:50:24 why the bleep was this bastard of a thread bumped Whitehound is a poor troll that is having some kind of carebear fantasy MMO flashback in the wrong damn game. You need to gtfo bro. Tell ya what, since you will stay and emobaby all over these forums im going to go buy another tech 2 bpo for myself because of you bro. Then im going to take a shower created from pure flowing isk from tech 2 bpo profits. I still need one more thing for my shower. Can you guess what it is? yes....your tears. keep them coming
Nahkep Narmelion Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE	Posted - 2010.08.23 04:18:00 - [173] Edited by: Nahkep Narmelion on 23/08/2010 04:17:54 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Akita T So, basically you're saying "I don't care I have absolutely no good reason, I want CCP to make XYZ happen just because I said so" ? No. I am saying that I do not have pretty reasons, because I have no arguments or valid reasons. FIFY
Mal Lokrano Gallente The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.23 04:53:00 - [174] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Harris It's already fair for all. No, it is not, or else would we not have these threads. We have these threads because people see somthing they don't like and demand it be changed, regardless of what everyone else thinks. The problem isn't people trying to improve the game, its people trying to improve the game with really bad ideas, which will not improve fairness or balance. How would you like it if you held a 50 bil isk ship or BPO and were then told oh were taking it becuase of unfairness, so deal with it? Besides BPOs are becoming less pwerful every year than they used to be. Oh and since people seem to want to turn this into a communismn game just for fun, "In America you can always find a party, in Soviet Union, the party always finds you!" ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two. Don't bug me ingame about diplomats, I don't know wh
Nahkep Narmelion Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE	Posted - 2010.08.23 04:57:00 - [175] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Harris It's already fair for all. No, it is not, or else would we not have these threads. It is fair now. The initial unfairness--the lottery and the follow on cartels--have been wiped out of the game by invention and competition. If you still want one or more of the remaining T2 BPOs you have the same shot at getting one like I do: Work hard. Play smart. Save your isk. Buy an existing T2 BPO. There is nothing unfair there.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.08.23 07:08:00 - [176] Nothing has convinced me yet. I still want to see them removed. Each of your comments only shows how much this change is needed. T2 BPO owner tears will be a great win for the majority of the players like all the other tears before. --
Narfas Deteis	Posted - 2010.08.23 10:00:00 - [177] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 23/08/2010 07:19:00 Nothing has convinced me yet. I still want to see them removed. Each of your comments only shows how much this change is needed. T2 BPO owner tears will be a great win for the majority of the players like all the other tears before. All your arguing to keep them is proof for the success of the change and the only way to teach you to let go is by taken them away from you. Hmm, so, short and incomplete list of things to remove (because people complain, whine or don't bother): - T2 BPO - learning skills (and maybe skills in general, because of advantages they give) - pirates - supercapitals - sov - HICs - bubbles - mining - PI - money - characters older then, say, 1 year - electronic warfare - non-consensual pvp - cloaks - drake - blobs - etc. What to introduce instaed, to satisfy whiny playerbase? - I WIN button for everyone (one click needed) Everybody would be happy! Oh wait... Nobody would play this ****.
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.08.23 13:12:00 - [178] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 23/08/2010 07:19:00 Nothing has convinced me yet. I still want to see them removed. Each of your comments only shows how much this change is needed. T2 BPO owner tears will be a great win for the majority of the players like all the other tears before. All your arguing to keep them is proof for the success of the change and the only way to teach you to let go is by taken them away from you. Im afraid im not here to convince you of anything. Im here to tell you that you are the only one in tears. Tears of frustration and lust. Guys let this dude rant. Nothing we say will change his deluded opinion. Akita you are blasting him with thought out responses that are too involved for this dude. Especially considering every reply he gives consists of five worded drizzle.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:20:00 - [179] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 23/08/2010 07:19:00 Nothing has convinced me yet. I still want to see them removed. Each of your comments only shows how much this change is needed. T2 BPO owner tears will be a great win for the majority of the players like all the other tears before. All your arguing to keep them is proof for the success of the change and the only way to teach you to let go is by taken them away from you. I can has your stuff?
Nahkep Narmelion Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:53:00 - [180] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 23/08/2010 07:19:00 Nothing has convinced me yet. I still want to see them removed. Each of your comments only shows how much this change is needed. T2 BPO owner tears will be a great win for the majority of the players like all the other tears before. All your arguing to keep them is proof for the success of the change and the only way to teach you to let go is by taken them away from you. I don't have any T2 BPOs. I really don't plan on buying any. However, like Akita I'd take a hard look at this game if T2 BPOs were removed from game with no compensation. I'd wonder, what's next? Further, there is a reason to keep them. Some markets have thin profit margins and the primary producers are T2 BPOs. Take them out and those markets would undoubtedly change...for the worse for the rest of the player community via higher prices. You have no arguments, nothing. You can't even put together a valid reason other than you want to make other players miserable...but not by your own actions but via CCP. That's totally unacceptable. At least if it were other players one can fight back. Against CCP you can do nothing. Now that is unfair and I'd argue against the very spirit of the game. Really, just go back to WoW or Maple Story or whatever. This isn't the game for you.



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