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Misanth Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.	Posted - 2010.09.11 09:30:00 - [241] Originally by: Itoli Erebus I don't know what is more discouraging: the GM blasting through the established rules of the game and voiding risk vs. reward, or the horde of morons cheering at this blatant game-compromising move. ..or the guy that thought it was cool to necro that thread. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Itoli Erebus	Posted - 2010.09.11 09:37:00 - [242] Originally by: Xia Kairui Originally by: Itoli Erebus I don't know what is more discouraging: the GM blasting through the established rules of the game and voiding risk vs. reward, or the horde of morons cheering at this blatant game-compromising move. What is compromising the game here? This could be a win-win situation. The ninja got a CNR kill mail, the CNR drops and 150M. The mission runner got his ship back and was satisfied with that situation. Everyone should be happy. Instead a lot of people whine because this incident did not frak up someone's game experience and want someone to suffer for no reason at all except for their personal enjoyment. Isn't THAT the definition of griefing? Sheesh. IMO that's the main problem with EVE: that some people cannot stand the idea of someone else enjoying themselves. There aren't any griefers in this situation, only two players playing by the currently established rules of the game. You need to get that word griefer out of your empty head, because it seems to be all you think about. EvE online has pirates in it, and it has a rule set to govern the relations between pirates and capsuleers. When you talk about griefers, it shows me that you know nothing about this game. You should review what EvE online IS as a game, and not what you think it is. Some claim that people say certain official people have said this is an exploit in the past. None of that matters, whether or not any of it is true or how much truth there is to it, because these are not the rules governing the game during these events. In the past the pirate player had an unfair advantage as the opposing player could not see the renewal of the aggression timer when wrecks were shot. This has since been fixed. The loser in this scenario blogged that he watched the timer raise and he was aware of it. Neither player had an unfair advantage in this exchange, thus the rules are ideal. Both players were aware the timers were being extended, no unfair advantage was gleaned by either player (until GM intervention). The CNR pilot could have undocked in a pod and warped into the vast universe if he so chose. I don't understand how you can't see that rules being ignored and consequences being eliminated is not compromising a game. As an aside, only one player out of two who put their ships and time on the line received reimbursement. None should receive any reimbursement, however this shows that we really do not know how much this happens. It is appreciated that this issue was brought to attention.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.11 16:42:00 - [243] Originally by: Itoli Erebus BOOHOO NO FAIR Still with the tears? Please keep crying about this. That way CCP can finally close that loop hole on extending someone's aggro without that someone even so much as undocking. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.09.12 03:35:00 - [244] Inappropriate post removed.

Statutory Ape	Posted - 2010.11.04 22:22:00 - [245] I dont think ive ever heard this much whine about mechanics from carebears. Crying tears about someone slightly lessening your hard earned grief is hilarious. crying about loosing some internet pixels is one thing.. but crying coz someone else got a free internet pixels.. thats awesome <3 This Cheasy mechanic should be fixed (again) asap, but not yet.. this is too good.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.11.04 23:56:00 - [246] Originally by: Statutory Ape I dont think ive ever heard this much whine about mechanics from carebears. Crying tears about someone slightly lessening your hard earned grief is hilarious. crying about loosing some internet pixels is one thing.. but crying coz someone else got a free internet pixels.. thats awesome <3 This Cheasy mechanic should be fixed (again) asap, but not yet.. this is too good. Ans this was so worth necroing a thread that died two months ago.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.11.05 01:18:00 - [247] Originally by: Itoli Erebus I don't know what is more discouraging: the GM blasting through the established rules of the game and voiding risk vs. reward, or the horde of morons cheering at this blatant game-compromising move. It lives! Repeating my 2 cents. Shooting wrecks has been verified as an exploit, but CCP's not fixing it. They've said that doing it is an exploit. It's simple enough to understand. ---- Gullible
Nyhlus Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.05 02:02:00 - [248] Was he in IT? All they've gotta do is pick up the batphone and CCP drops everything to help them out.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.11.05 02:29:00 - [249] Originally by: Nyhlus Was he in IT? All they've gotta do is pick up the batphone and CCP drops everything to help them out. Oh, go back to COAD. ---- Gullible
Winston Shaftmore	Posted - 2010.11.05 02:41:00 - [250] Edited by: Winston Shaftmore on 05/11/2010 02:44:08 I actually have logs of a similar incident in which the GMs say it IS NOT an exploit. So it is basically GMs deciding policy randomly and not in any standard fashion. WTB Moar Zombies. Wanted to mention that the logs also contain reference to this thread and CCP's previous reaction. GM no likey that.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.11.05 12:44:00 - [251] Edited by: Skippermonkey on 05/11/2010 12:53:15 Originally by: Statutory Ape I dont think ive ever heard this much whine about mechanics from carebears. Crying tears about someone slightly lessening your hard earned grief is hilarious. crying about loosing some internet pixels is one thing.. but crying coz someone else got a free internet pixels.. thats awesome <3 This Cheasy mechanic should be fixed (again) asap, but not yet.. this is too good. Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Ynot Eyob Minmatar Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front	Posted - 2010.11.05 12:44:00 - [252] Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 11/08/2010 14:40:09 tl:dr MR loses CNR to a ninja while knowingly undocking with aggro still active, petitions loss, recieves a free CNR. ------- read these two blogs in order then tell me that CCP knows what they are doing. http://stabbedup.blogspot.com/2010/08/eve-stupid-stupid-stupid.html http://stabbedup.blogspot.com/2010/08/eve-exchange-of-views-with-ccp.html Official CCP response would be good; explaining the rationale behind rewarding the stupid Linky for original blog post regarding aforementioned stupid I didnt read every post in here, but it quite simple, he just need to warp scram one of your wrecks and keep the scammer on. That will reset the timer. Only way you can prevent this is to lock out of game for 15 min.
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.11.05 12:47:00 - [253]
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.05 12:56:00 - [254] I want all my ships lost to lag returned to me as lag is an exploit :RAGE!:
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.11.06 17:14:00 - [255] Originally by: Statutory Ape I dont think ive ever heard this much whine about mechanics from carebears. Crying tears about someone slightly lessening your hard earned grief is hilarious. crying about loosing some internet pixels is one thing.. but crying coz someone else got a free internet pixels.. thats awesome <3 This Cheasy mechanic should be fixed (again) asap, but not yet.. this is too good. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2010.11.06 17:22:00 - [256] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Itoli Erebus I don't know what is more discouraging: the GM blasting through the established rules of the game and voiding risk vs. reward, or the horde of morons cheering at this blatant game-compromising move. ..or the guy that thought it was cool to necro that thread. Hey, I get to quote myself while being (almost) on topic! Sweet. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2010.11.06 17:45:00 - [257] Originally by: K'Mahk Edited by: K''Mahk on 11/08/2010 11:42:24 Hmm..... Ninja tears...... how strange... C'mon guys, you use mechanics and assume that everything you use is 'working as intended' Some things are 'as intended' such as the looting = aggression timers, however reseting the aggression timer (Remember that you started it, he escalated it with his act of aggression towards you) should be kept at the 'I can abuse and/or kill you as per my favorite whims' stage by you acting against his wrecks?? Whether you agree with the GSM's decision or not, he made a decision, would you rather he sat on his hands all day ignoring every request that came in for any kind of issue? Based on the mission runners comments in the Blog, I'd say he was doing his best to remain reasonable, and to get an answer out of CCP, he probably did not expect to get the ship back, and based on his comments, he probably did not read your blogs. (Shocking I know, but not everyone takes a Sun Tzu View to intelligence) and thus was not familiar with your favorite devious tricks, yes, this game punishes you for doing something stupid, yeah, he did something stupid, he honestly believed the game had glitched and/or faulted and he petitioned CCP based on that belief and opinion. CCP took him at his word (probably after checking his account's history of such petitions and his previous loss-mails) and made a decision that they thought was fair, you can stand on the side-lines and scream 'FOUL' if you want, but it ain't gonna change CCPs decision, so now I get to use the term you all love to throw around whenever a Mission runner or miner complains about your tactics... HTFU!!! IT'S A GAME!! and the GM's rule is STILL absolute. EDIT: To replace Filth-Filtered word Actually, the annoying thing here is that a formal ruling was made on this years ago, where it was determined that extending aggro via wreck shooting was not an exploit. CCP has even now made it possible to remove your claim to wrecks so that they can't be used against you. The issue isn't that a GM made a decision one way or another, it's that GM's don't even seem to be capable of consistency... great.. decide it one way or the other... just come up with some consistent method, instead of this "he gets reimbursement, you get Jack" despite it being the identical situation.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.11.07 13:08:00 - [258] Originally by: Mo0seluffer Even more proof of why the world is the way it is now.Keep making excuses and dodging the reality of it all there Zanadoo.You cant keep modifing the mechanics or excuses.The whole wreck is no ones.Nor the loot inside.As you ninjas have always said.1st come 1st served.If the wreck is the OPS why no aggression when someone salvages it?CAUSE IT ISNT HIS! Keep telling yourself that if you like but don't expect others to believe that.Until the name of the corp is removed from wrecks,that wreck is and will remain the property of that corp. Funny how the "owner" can shoot the wreck and no one else can without getting concorded in high sec too isn' it?What does that tell you?So you can argue about the salvage belonging to no one..but dont start saying the wreck belongs to no one while their name is clearly on it. But feel free to deny reality if it makes you feel better.
Feilamya Pain Elemental	Posted - 2010.11.07 19:00:00 - [259] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edit:Fact is that there is a timer on aggo for a reason..and not to be extended by any given player for as long as he pleases.So it is an exploit. No, this is is your wishful thinking. Fact is that aggro CAN be extended. Deal with it.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.07 20:07:00 - [260] Quote: To be completely fair to the GMs, the reason why he got reinbursed was that his original aggro timer was extended for an hour, presumably by shooting wrecks. I guess this is the first step towards extending aggro being declared an exploit. Have to agree with this. While I have used this extensively in the past, I never fooled myself into thinking this was really intended game mechanics. It's inconsistent and NOT DOCUMENTED ANYWHERE. While I am certainly not opposed to ways for hisec missiongrinders to have a little risk, it's a pretty bad mechanic. I support this for the same reason I supported fixing the Lofty way back.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.11.07 22:13:00 - [261] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edit:Fact is that there is a timer on aggo for a reason..and not to be extended by any given player for as long as he pleases.So it is an exploit. No, this is is your wishful thinking. Fact is that aggro CAN be extended. Deal with it. Whatever man,I have better things to do than yelling rabbit/duck season back and forth with you.You do see the guy got his ship back right? What proof do you have that it is not an exploit? None..I didnt think so.

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