Enormous base Damage. (2 Heatsinks on a Hellcat give you ~900dps)
Fit on wonderful ships. Ships that are designed to deal with the Cap use.
Spectacular damage projection.

The damage types aren't really a problem either, since most people patch their holes (Therm is usually the heardest to patch, btw).

Its situational to be honest. Some areas armor is better, some shield.

This.

They could do with a slight pg req. reduction though ;P.

So, I just had a test fight on SiSi.

It was a 1 v 1 fight versus a RATTLESNAKE in a BHAALGORN and I LOST.

My Bhaalgorn had 250 K EHP, 850 gun + 200 drone DPS, dual web, dual NOS, one neutralizer, one tracking computer with tracking scripts, one target painter, one warp scrambler and 4 T2 pulses with COnflagration L crystals.

The other guy had a generic mission carebear **** fit like all rattlesnakes do, the typical super passive+crap boring drones and pathetic 150 dps cruise missiles setup.

If this was a TQ fight I would have been ******* pissed for losing a Bhallgorn to a **** fit mission rattlesnake with two bullshit overpowered mods on it.

Enormous base damage? wat...

You lost a Bhaal to a Mission Runner?
Were you even pointed?
Could you not cap him and run if you were pointed?
Did you not kill his drones?





So, to be clear... you are not mad now? You just would be mad IF if was on TQ. So this is not rage posting?

So, I just had a test fight on SiSi.

It was a 1 v 1 fight versus a RATTLESNAKE in a BHAALGORN and I LOST.

My Bhaalgorn had 250 K EHP, 850 gun + 200 drone DPS, dual web, dual NOS, one neutralizer, one tracking computer with tracking scripts, one target painter, one warp scrambler and 4 T2 pulses with COnflagration L crystals.

The other guy had a generic mission carebear **** fit like all rattlesnakes do, the typical super passive+crap boring drones and pathetic 150 dps cruise missiles setup.

I got the guy into 5% shield FIVE ******* TIMES IN A ROW and he always bounced right up back to 70-100% in a few short seconds.

If this was a TQ fight I would have been ******* pissed for losing a Bhallgorn to a **** fit mission rattlesnake with two bullshit overpowered mods on it.

Any word on when the F you intend to NERF the ASB or at least limit the son of a ***** to ONE per ship, CCP?

The other day I had this guy in a MERLIN tank SIX GUYS in CA 1 in PVH for 8 consecutive minutes using ASB.

No seriously, when are you nerfing that ****?

If you're going to leave it like that, at least make armor repairers or armor plates repair armor passively when inactive and work like an ASB when activated.

Seriously CCP, ASB is retardedly OP right now.

Enormous base damage? wat...
"Fit on wonderful ships. Ships that are designed to deal with cap use"... loal, yes thats why you can run out of cap by just running your turrets on a battleship in a few minutes. :D


EDIT: How often do you actually fly Amarr in PVP, tell me.


Was talking about the laser part, if they fixed tracking it would be quite okay I guess.

Well to be fair the high PG use makes sense on lasers.

Crap tracking does not, pulse lasers should track even better than blasters or at least a little better than Autocannons.

Right now they are at just about Railgun level and that is weird.

Never understood why lasers in Eve don't have near perfect tracking, they are energy beam weapons (light of speed hitting), lasers IRL have amazing tracking just like CIWS miniguns.

The downside to lasers would totally be justified if they at least had blaster-level tracking.

But enough about lasers needing a buff, lets return to bitching about ASB being OP now.

Enormous base damage? wat...
"Fit on wonderful ships. Ships that are designed to deal with cap use"... loal, yes thats why you can run out of cap by just running your turrets on a battleship in a few minutes. :D


EDIT: How often do you actually fly Amarr in PVP, tell me.

You're talking lore not mechanics. It may make sense but its unbalanced. But if you're going to have that argument targeting computers would be able to hit almost anything with almost anything at 1k+ out so irl arguments about spaceship gun tracking are kind of daft.

so TL : DR

I took an expensive ship hunting and got my ass beat by another expensive obviously better fit ship. /RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*EDIT - for YEARS people have been screaming at CCP to make it so 5 VS. 1 is not an instant win.... WISH GRANTED :)

Never understood why lasers in Eve don't have near perfect tracking, they are energy beam weapons (light of speed hitting), lasers IRL have amazing tracking just like CIWS miniguns.

Now you are talking about balance when you call me a ******** whiner for complaining that there is a mod in the game that can take a rattlesnake from 5% shield to 100% shield 5 times in a row.

Hypocrite much?

A Hellcat Abaddon with 2 Damage mods hits 900 DPS at 20km (15km with 2 tracking scripts instead) with Navy Multi. 1k DPS with Conflag, but that's somewhat situational and harder to apply.

Then you have the MAGIC that is Scorch, pushing that same boat to 717DPS at 58km (45km). Reach out and touch someone indeed.

At the same time it has 130k EHP. They're a great fleetcomp.

That's 2 Damage mods. A Machariel running Hail and 2 damage mods does only 930 DPS at 3km. By the time you get to 15km, it's dropped to below 800 DPS. That's compared to a non-Pirate faction BS.

An Abaddon is gankier than a Machariel when fit similarly. Ponder that for a moment when you say Lasers don't have great damage.

Now, on to range projection:
Abaddon Scorch: 717 DPS all the way out to 60km (45 w/ Tracking).
Machariel Barrage: 665 DPS all the way out to 8km (6 w/ tracking), by 60km it's dropped below 500 DPS (below 500 DPS at 45km with Tracking).


I love the Harbi. I flew the Hellcat and the Ahac (<3 AHAX) with Red Legion in Detorid. The Guardian rocks. The Punisher is one of my favorite Frigates.

Now you are talking about balance when you call me a ******** whiner for complaining that there is a mod in the game that can take a rattlesnake from 5% shield to 100% shield 5 times in a row.

Hypocrite much?

Because it's difficult to keep the beam focused on the same spot to the extent needed to start punching holes in stuff. Pointing a laser at a target is easy; making it have more effect than a fancy torch is not.

GǪand if you want to make an argument about realism, everyone would just be using missiles anyway.

Maybe I havn't been flying in the right corps, but how often do you 1v1 a bhaalgorn vs a rattlesnake?

Your stats are all wrong, how is it that I have a Machariel that does 1200 gun DPS?

Nothing beats Machariel at turrets, and especially not pathetic lasers.

You were playing on SISI, where everyone flies Deadspace A-type Tank, faction damage mods, 6% hard wirings, leadership bonuses, Strong Drugs, High Grade Crystal/Slave implants, Super high meta mods.


What you experience on Sisi, is hardly reflective on what actually happens on TQ.

they do - which is why you usually won't see bonuses for turret damage on amarr ships and why their cap and PG requirements are balanced in a way that makes fitting them to non-amarr ships pretty much impossible.

lasers are by design overpowered relative to the other weapon types.

(my personal feeling is that lasers are in a fine place right now - they were very strong ca. 2008 but since projectiles and hybrids got buffs and the field is relatively balanced; putting them back into a significantly stronger position now would only initiate another cycle of stat inflation)

On the test server, every 20 minutes or so.

And unless Rattle has a bullshit OP mod on it or 2, Bhaalgorn always wins.

Fit an Abaddon with the same number of DPS mods as you need to hit 1200 DPS on a Mach and it hits 1228 DPS. And it projects that DPS much better.

Your stats are all wrong, how is it that I have a Machariel that does 1200 gun DPS?

Nothing beats Machariel at turrets, and especially not pathetic lasers.

True, but it does not do Explosive and Kinetic damage.

So, unless they use a fit that specifically counters your fit, they win? Try finding a counter to the ASB. All you need is to tank them until they run out of Cargo room.

The Mach doesn't do EM or Therm at 1200 DPS. It has to drop 25% of its DPS to shoot outside of essentially pure EXP damage.

Nobody leaves big enough holes for the damage types to matter particularly.