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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:44:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:>>>> SHOCKER <<<<
>>>> SHOCKER <<<<
>>>> SHOCKER <<<<
1v1 PVP in EVE is not balanced?!?!?
I DEMAND CCP BALANCE THE GAME SO EVERY SHIP IS VIABLE AGAINST EVERY OTHER SHIP IN PVP!
Badgers should stand a reasonable chance of defeating Tornadoes.
Two be fair, it was a Faction BS vs. a Faction BS
On the other hand, I'm a little mistified as to why you would need a Tracking computer in a fight vs. a BS.
edit: ..or Webs really. Nos and Neut obviously isn't going to be effective vs. ASB either, so really, you had ~5-6 fittings that were completely useless against your opponent, and you couldn't tank what you claim was 150 DPS, (approximately what an Atron would put out in the right hands apparently).
I think you need to rethink your methodology, or at least reconsider why you lost. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
192
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Posted - 2012.09.10 02:50:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
I just wanted to point to the important part you seem not willing to admit.
-you don't bring an armor fitted Talos -you don't bring a passive shield fit Talos -you don't bring an hurricane shield/armor -you dont bring *cough/laugh* a....Brutix
And so on. So I'll just finish my opinion on this specific case by telling you that when the only effective counter to this new fashion XL-ASB victims is to bring more and also fitted Xl-ASB fashion victims it's probably because something is wrong with that module and not because you're an ultra skilled pilot. The fact you can now follow your mates with your blaster ship it's not a sign this module helped your ship doing stuff he was already good for (melt faces) but just made your setup something OP. You can also fit passive shield and melt stuff but like me you choose to fit an XL-ASB because you become simply a ship murderer thx to this mod.
I've seen solo Vagas with those take on 5 men gangs with tackle/T2 assault ships/ BC's and literally murder them. 3 to 5 men Gangs withs those fitted in cloaky Lokis (hell even Machariels with cloack and those ASB fitted) and make stuff you can't even imagine it's possible, so I can safely say despite you believe me or not this mod is bringing a hell of imbalance to the game and killing more solo pvp than helping it.
But I'm ok CCP does nothing to prevent or change this, guess what, I'm using it too and have no feelings when I fit it to my ship and go out station blow stuff, after all it's CCP problem to fix their game, not me.
Well, imbalance is a matter of perception isnt it? 'imbalance' = change in balance = paradigm shift = new balance. Yes, it's different, but that doesn't mean it is bad. Its just new.
So yea, perhaps the new balance is if you have 1-5 ship gang, and will be facing another small gang, fit ASBs. The answer before was 'fit shield or armor buffer'. I have no problem with the change. Thank god. Buffer fit stuff everywhere was getting old and stale.
I've seen solo passive shield nano drakes destroy small gangs with BCs and tackle too. Nerf drakes?
What is the bet way to counter a nano-sillyness cockbag Tornado alpha fleet? Bring another nano sillyness cockbag tornado alpha fleet. Nerf nano alpha fleets?
Again, besides the dual oversized fits (and active armor suckiness and off grid boosting - which is a separate issue) I just don't see a problem here. IMHO. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2095
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:04:00 -
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So you're perfectly happy trading one "must-fit" for another "must-fit" instead of introducing actual variety to the game? Ships like the Myrm are better off fitting a T2 mod/T1 rig ASB fit than with a deadspace mod/T2 rigged triple deadspace rep. Do you honestly think that the situation with ASB is largely acceptable and that armor is just that bad?
Seriously?!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Hrett
Justified Chaos
192
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:44:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:So you're perfectly happy trading one "must-fit" for another "must-fit" instead of introducing actual variety to the game? Ships like the Myrm are better off fitting a T2 mod/T1 rig ASB fit than with a deadspace mod/T2 rigged triple deadspace rep. Do you honestly think that the situation with ASB is largely acceptable and that armor is just that bad?
Seriously?!
-Liang
Yes, active armor is bad (not just the mods, but the rig penalties too) - especially compared to the ASB. But it was bad BEFORE ASBs. Shield and armor buffer Myrms and Brutix would ignore the active armor bonus already (though there were and still are some viable fits in very limited circumstances). ASBs just highlight the problem - they didnt make the problem. And there are still situations where shield and armor buffer will be preferable to ASB fits.
Before, it was small gang = buffer and large gange = buffer.
Now, it is small gang = ASB and large gang = buffer.
That says MORE variety to me, not less.
Look, we have beat this horse. Neither of us will convince the other. We both agree some changes need to be made, and some changes are (allegedly) in the pipe. Let's just agree to disagree and wait and see how the changes turn out. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2095
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:47:00 -
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Meh, I used to active armor fit all the time. Now I feel compelled to fly shields all the time.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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NickyYo
StarHug
225
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Posted - 2012.10.13 18:15:00 -
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I use the ASB and i feel bad for using it..
All of us shield tankers know what i mean, we all know its GOD MODE I agree with the op, there is no challange for me when i use this, and i have to use it to compete with other shield tankers who i may fight... .. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:44:00 -
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Simple solution, put it on each off ur own ships.................. tada! |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
658
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:01:00 -
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Ya'll realize that the number of reps, as it stands now, are being cut by 30% on December 4th? CCP Fozzie also indicated that they are looking at buffing armor, possibly via heat. Easy on the pitchforks. |
Pipa Porto
1202
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:38:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Ya'll realize that the number of reps, as it stands now, are being cut by 30% on December 4th? CCP Fozzie also indicated that they are looking at buffing armor, possibly via heat. Easy on the pitchforks.
#512Posted: 2012.09.10 03:47
#513Posted: 2012.10.13 18:15
Nicky the necro. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 12:19:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:So let me get this straight.
You're pissed at loosing a shitfit bhaal to a well tanked rattlesnake while flying solo.
On sisi.
I have some advice you should follow friend, before you start commenting on the state of mods in eve:
1) Grow some balls and fight on tranq 2) Learn to fit ships. 3) Don't go crying to CCP if you loose a fight. It won't work and just makes you look pathetic. 4) Don't fly what you cant afford to loose (emotionally as well as financially) How about you shove your advice up your ass? Judging by your killboard all you do is fly in drake swarm fleets.Eve ******* sucks compared to how it was in 2007 I swear, WAY more fun and player skill oriented back then.
+1 - epic reply! - /me hates drake blobs n 2bh anyone who says drakes arnt that common in eve pop needs to check se stats - iota they hold the no1 spot for most kills in eve ^^
Also asb's are overpowered - n I'd like to see 1 per ship BUT what I want more is ancillary armour reppers and XML reppers that bs's can fit and a mod similar to shield boost amplifiers but for armour reppers
HOWEVER they guy you quoted does have a point; it's an epic rage for a sisi loss ^^
-Wardeneo-
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Freundliches Feuer
Hivemind Defense
19
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Posted - 2012.10.25 13:26:00 -
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Why is this thread still going?
Adapt or Die.
Quit cryin. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire
179
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:29:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Simple solution, put it on each off ur own ships.................. tada!
And this folks, is how games go to ****.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
883
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:07:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Ya'll realize that the number of reps, as it stands now, are being cut by 30% on December 4th? CCP Fozzie also indicated that they are looking at buffing armor, possibly via heat. Easy on the pitchforks.
The problem I have with heat is the mechanic it self and related skills where you don't have the choice but to train them completely if you want somehow to be competitive, it's not just another fake skill to learn like rah, it's really something taking a good chunk of your training time to use it. Will it be worthy?-sure, with all 5's....make it even more difficult for noobs and low skill players, it's obviously the ood way to go in a game where you already spend almost one hear commiting to silly trainings just to be other thing than meat canon or and older player alt.
For the meanwhile I'll still be using asb's ... awesome bad ideas are somehow bad.
brb |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
30
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Posted - 2012.11.03 06:31:00 -
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[quote=Zarnak Wulf]Ya'll realize that the number of reps, as it stands now, are being cut by 30% on December 4th? CCP Fozzie also indicated that they are looking at buffing armor, possibly via heat. Easy on the pitchforks.[/quote
this sounds to me a silly idea. overheat affecting all nearby modules ..
for me all the coming changes dont look well thought. they patch here and then find out there is something else broken and patch there then and anotehr one and come to absurd ideas... |
Romvex
116
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:16:00 -
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i'm sorry but your Bhaalgorn fit sucks Post with your main |
Freezehunter
314
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:48:00 -
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Why does every new moron that posts in this thread automatically assume that the Bhaalgorn I was flying was fit specifically to counter that one guy?
I am not one of those container baiting bitches that always fits their ship specifically against targets they know they will be attacking or be attacked by.
The fit was actually supposed to murder Battlecruisers and under, but it should have had no problems with that Rattlesnake unless it had the bullshit OP ASB fitted, what part of "I GOT HIM INTO 5 PERCENT SHIELDS 5 TIMES IN A ROW BUT THEN HE RECHARGED EVERY TIME" and "I killed 2 other guys in HACs IN THE SAME FIGHT" don't you morons understand?
Seriously, do you guys know how to read or did you take English classes with the Polish immigrant janitor?
Anyway, ASB is getting nerfed bad in Retribution, mission accomplished, now someone close this ******* thread so I don't have to see semi illiterate morons talking out of their asses flashing up on my notifications panel every day. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Larry LowBlow
Guy On A Buffalo
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 01:18:00 -
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I don't know if this has been addressed yet, but if he had a crap carebear fit, how did he manage to point you?
Last I checked, npc's don't require a point to keep them in place. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
495
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Posted - 2012.11.05 10:18:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Why does every new moron that posts in this thread automatically assume that the Bhaalgorn I was flying was fit specifically to counter that one guy?
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now someone close this ******* thread so I don't have to see semi illiterate morons talking out of their asses flashing up on my notifications panel every day.
A) Because of troll
B) Unclick "send me notifications". Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Itala D'Uhmri
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:31:00 -
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Current tanking is RPS.
Rock is buffer (armor or shield.) You're not completely cap dependant, and will typically thrash a standard active tank.
Scissors is Standard Active - non ASB shield boosters or armor reps. You die in a fire to buffer because of cap reliance and generally having less tank than they have damage.
Paper is ASB - You'll die to an active because they don't have reloads, but you'll beat buffer because your actual EHP, if spread out over the course of your load, is much higher than your average buffer fit. Also, less slot strain than active tanks. |
Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
348
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:55:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Why does every new moron that posts in this thread automatically assume that the Bhaalgorn I was flying was fit specifically to counter that one guy?
I am not one of those container baiting bitches that always fits their ship specifically against targets they know they will be attacking or be attacked by.
The fit was actually supposed to murder Battlecruisers and under, but it should have had no problems with that Rattlesnake unless it had the bullshit OP ASB fitted, what part of "I GOT HIM INTO 5 PERCENT SHIELDS 5 TIMES IN A ROW BUT THEN HE RECHARGED EVERY TIME" and "I killed 2 other guys in HACs IN THE SAME FIGHT" don't you morons understand?
Seriously, do you guys know how to read or did you take English classes with the Polish immigrant janitor?
Anyway, ASB is getting nerfed bad in Retribution, mission accomplished, now someone close this ******* thread so I don't have to see semi illiterate morons talking out of their asses flashing up on my notifications panel every day.
250k ehp sounds like a buffer fit to me.
You were going to lose to ANYONE who could tank your damage and live through your cap warfare...... eventually.....
I mean what else do you want? He probably had crystal implants, strong blue pill, and 1 shield boost amp. Depending on the resistance, the ehp boosted from a resistance bonused BS from a 1,500 shield hp boost is a ton.
What did you have for reps? If you had slaves in and were justing hoping to outlast errybody, you have no sympathy from me.
(well you had none anyways as this was on SiSi.) |
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vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
27
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:07:00 -
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true story OP is the reson we can't have nice things |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:57:00 -
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Itala D'Uhmri wrote:Current tanking is RPS.
Rock is buffer (armor or shield.) You're not completely cap dependant, and will typically thrash a standard active tank.
Scissors is Standard Active - non ASB shield boosters or armor reps. You die in a fire to buffer because of cap reliance and generally having less tank than they have damage.
Paper is ASB - You'll die to an active because they don't have reloads, but you'll beat buffer because your actual EHP, if spread out over the course of your load, is much higher than your average buffer fit. Also, less slot strain than active tanks. It would be interesing to try this actually. But I wonder, isn't ASB also frees your cap to use neuts and drain that standard active tanker?
Well, it was said I don't know how many times in this thread, but if not for neuts, it would be tad easier to balance ASBs out. Oh well, it's always the case, more factors = more PITA... |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
1
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Posted - 2012.11.06 18:43:00 -
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Wait.... Your complaining you lost your neuting ship to a ship whose tank and weapon system does not use cap. How bout you rethink your plan of attack first. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
1
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Posted - 2012.11.06 18:47:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Itala D'Uhmri wrote:Current tanking is RPS.
Rock is buffer (armor or shield.) You're not completely cap dependant, and will typically thrash a standard active tank.
Scissors is Standard Active - non ASB shield boosters or armor reps. You die in a fire to buffer because of cap reliance and generally having less tank than they have damage.
Paper is ASB - You'll die to an active because they don't have reloads, but you'll beat buffer because your actual EHP, if spread out over the course of your load, is much higher than your average buffer fit. Also, less slot strain than active tanks. It would be interesing to try this actually. But I wonder, isn't ASB also frees your cap to use neuts and drain that standard active tanker? Well, it was said I don't know how many times in this thread, but if not for neuts, it would be tad easier to balance ASBs out. Oh well, it's always the case, more factors = more PITA...
I doubt it. ASB doesn't need a cap booster. They would use their cap neuting but the active guy has cap booster So wouldn't be a big issue I would think. |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
319
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:57:00 -
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I haven't kept up with the whole thread and only just came back from a break ~2 weeks ago, would someone do me the favor of linking where CCP says they will be nerfing ASB's? |
Diesel47
My Little Pwnys
301
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:10:00 -
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guy fights enemy with crystal set, strong blue pill, and OGB in test server and loses.
rages on forum. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
119
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:31:00 -
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The rattlesnake has the best passive near-0-cap-usage tank of any subcap in the game, and uses no cap to fire its weapons. This obviously makes it a wonderful candidate for ASB shenanigans.
The bhaal relies on capping out its enemies, and does relatively little dps for a battleship. It's basically the opposite of what you'd want to bring to fight an ASB-boosted passive rattler.
I really see no reason why OP should have won this. Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
811
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:32:00 -
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Berendas wrote:I haven't kept up with the whole thread and only just came back from a break ~2 weeks ago, would someone do me the favor of linking where CCP says they will be nerfing ASB's? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155474&find=unread 14 |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
320
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:55:00 -
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Much appreciated |
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