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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.25 02:20:00 -
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@Inbrainsane
Hehe. Sorry, wasn't a flame. I make flames real personal. :) I probably did read a bit into it.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.09.27 11:36:00 -
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the price seems to lower already, the end ? |
Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.27 11:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Raid'En
the price seems to lower already, the end ?
I just had a flashback to old B-rated horror movies where right before the credits they add a shot of an egg of the theme creature over the text reading "THE END" while some dramatic music plays and a question mark materializes so it reads "The End ?"
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Inbrainsane
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Posted - 2010.09.27 12:29:00 -
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This is not the end. Massive resistance at 80k/u though.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.27 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Inbrainsane
This is not the end. Massive resistance at 80k/u though.
Look at the 77k candle shadows
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TornSoul
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 27/09/2010 16:54:40
Originally by: Inbrainsane
Massive resistance at 80k/u though.
Disagree that we are seeing resistance.
Simply the usual weekend/monday behavior.
Weekend : Prices&volume move faster than normal.
Monday : Prices settle down again, after a hyper weekend.
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TheCrazyT
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:30:00 -
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Weirdly eve-metrics shows only a weird trend in "The Forge".
http://www.eve-metrics.com/market/501/items/16649#statistics
Translation:
"It's a trap! Sell all your stuff!!!"
Oh well ... actualy do what you want, I have no clue if the market is manipulated or not, just think its weird. 
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:13:00 -
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As quoted before any price stabilizing occured.
Originally by: AnakieNine
Edited by: AnakieNine on 24/09/2010 14:28:50
Looking at the current numbers and a few other indicators we might actually have a couple of days at 80k a unit while the regional average catches up. That last 10k was quick and that 311k sell order should hold. Also a chance of a few people that have stock selling off with this comment. :)
So looks good and is moving as expected.
Sell orders are only 20% or 200k units above last months normal sell order volumes. Which is good considering such a large price increase. Jita Daily sell Volume is also back to normal levels and below the 1 million units a day.
Combined, these show that the market is accepting the price and no large sell off's are still occuring. Why? Either people think it is still going up, or stock piles no longer exist to the extent of the past.
I say give it another week and it will probably go up again. Most people will want 100k. Its a number thing.. The only thing that will keep us at a current holding pattern is the larger volume of sell orders up for Nanotranistors and a bit higher sell order listing for fullerides. Which in itself is interesting for a few reasons. I'll be watching this. :)
Microprocessors look really good as they continue to put a positive outlook for technetium. Still a first for 6 months.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.09.28 10:46:00 -
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seems someone is trying to lower the price, and people are following,
i saw really low quantites orders, and now some biggers have followed
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.28 11:39:00 -
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Yeah. BeeFive and Rayne someone? (I think) has been trading the price gap for the last 3 days. Completely camping the buy and sell orders continuously for the last 24-30 hours.
Lots of small and multiple sell orders have gone up to bait Moon miners. It wasn't a big problem until today when they seemed to have enough stock. That or enough people continuously selling to them in frustration to outbid the sell orders every 5 minutes during offpeak time. Hence the large string of sell orders running downward all day. I saw a lot of moon miners selling out to buy orders as technetium holders got really frustrated. Straight after about 1/2 the stock was replace on 3-4 sell orders. I also saw the buy orders increase time and again and narrow until they where filled again and again. Which in turn increased the problems as Beehive was almost always the highest placed buy order. Returning it to a sell order.
It will be interesting to see where this goes. Technetium moon miners aren't very used to updating their own bids every few minutes. It was a reasons I listed for prices staying up. No 0.01-ers. :)
I guess I will wait the week while stock should drop at whatever price it settles at and see what happens. One good thing is if the price drops it can hurt the gap trader too. As its hard to flip stock efficiently. More than once I saw them selling for roughly the same as they purchased it for.
His wallet seems smallish with a lack of buy orders when he has to many buy orders up.
fyi. He is also trading nano-transistors too.
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.09.28 14:22:00 -
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Ah, nice to see the behaviour looked at closely, i'm not active enough (log in maybe 1ce per day to see where hte price has gone) so thanks for that Anakie 
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:22:00 -
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Interesting.
The top 5 sell orders just so happen to offset another sell order by exactly 5 minutes. Well Plus or minus 2 seconds.
Coincidence?
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Einear Lightfingers
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Einear Lightfingers on 28/09/2010 15:39:58
Then the trick to get him out of market is to buy his sell orders as they get lower and don't sell back. Create your own stock and wait for the price to go back up. Even if you only turn a 2K profit per unit you can still make a good deal. Tech is definitely going to go back to 80K or better. This is a small time operation and it won't be long before his stock is purchased and his buy orders stop getting filled.
Meanwhile as you increase your stock you drive down your average purchase price further increasing your profit when you sell.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:43:00 -
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No great hurry. Its kind of interesting to watch.
Lets see how long it last.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Einear Lightfingers
Edited by: Einear Lightfingers on 28/09/2010 15:39:58
Then the trick to get him out of market is to buy his sell orders as they get lower and don't sell back. Create your own stock and wait for the price to go back up. Even if you only turn a 2K profit per unit you can still make a good deal. Tech is definitely going to go back to 80K or better. This is a small time operation and it won't be long before his stock is purchased and his buy orders stop getting filled.
Meanwhile as you increase your stock you drive down your average purchase price further increasing your profit when you sell.
Which you just did, but you caught one of my orders I was using to drive them down with.
Oops. 
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.09.29 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Originally by: Einear Lightfingers
Edited by: Einear Lightfingers on 28/09/2010 15:39:58
Then the trick to get him out of market is to buy his sell orders as they get lower and don't sell back. Create your own stock and wait for the price to go back up. Even if you only turn a 2K profit per unit you can still make a good deal. Tech is definitely going to go back to 80K or better. This is a small time operation and it won't be long before his stock is purchased and his buy orders stop getting filled.
Meanwhile as you increase your stock you drive down your average purchase price further increasing your profit when you sell.
Which you just did, but you caught one of my orders I was using to drive them down with.
Oops.
Heh
Well despite the lulz this did worry me a bit, but a little stability during this week has pretty much been exactly what Tech needed as Anakie and I think VV pointed out for a stable continuation of the rise.
There were about 2m units between 75k and 80K yesterday at about this time, now there are closer to 1.5m units, so a very rough estimate would be for the upward trend to start moving again around the the start of the weekend, which is usually the time for this kind of thing anyway.
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Solara Solo
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Posted - 2010.09.29 18:42:00 -
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Quick question, Weren't moons supposed to degrade after a time and respawn somewhere else? Imagine that tech moon showing up in the enemies back yard.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.09.29 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Solara Solo
Quick question, Weren't moons supposed to degrade after a time and respawn somewhere else? Imagine that tech moon showing up in the enemies back yard.
I think they thought about it and decided against it.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.30 04:23:00 -
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They really should do this.
It would mean a return to the career of the old moons mappers. Currently people just go to websites and have all the info they need. It would also allow active moon scanners who generally aren't rich to hit the jackpot like it was in its heyday. That is until it gets taken off them. :)
I also wonder if it would be worth mining all your crap moons in the hope that you discover a rarer resource underneath. Just not sure how you would have not scanned it before. :(
This would be one of the best things CCP could do for the game mechanics.
Stop allowing things to be stagnant like the current system! Game players like turmoil and opportunities. Give the new player more chances to hit it rich etc.
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Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.09.30 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: AnakieNine
They really should do this.
It would mean a return to the career of the old moons mappers. Currently people just go to websites and have all the info they need. It would also allow active moon scanners who generally aren't rich to hit the jackpot like it was in its heyday. That is until it gets taken off them. :)
I also wonder if it would be worth mining all your crap moons in the hope that you discover a rarer resource underneath. Just not sure how you would have not scanned it before. :(
This would be one of the best things CCP could do for the game mechanics.
Stop allowing things to be stagnant like the current system! Game players like turmoil and opportunities. Give the new player more chances to hit it rich etc.
I'd say CCP needs to spice up a little bit but not too much. Say all moons get shuffled every once in a while but certain types of moons should only be available within certain area, e.g. technetium within only Guristas space.
Whenever a moon gets depleted like wormhole dies off, a same type of moon with more or less likely the same amount of containment should spawn somewhere around same region or constellation.
Alliances are currently facing constant amount of resources anywhere they go from Sov. upgrade, and this, at least to me, effectively kills off alliance warfare more than lag issue does. Moon re-spawn at a seemingly random place won't help that issue either. |
Da Trader
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Posted - 2010.09.30 08:44:00 -
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I think that random moon spawning is good, not bad - it leads to massive shifts in incomes Also alchemy for all rare moon materials should be done possible, so there are no hard bottlenecks (and no 'sky in the limit for tech' as well)
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.30 09:28:00 -
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I definitely see the attraction in random moon spawning but ...
Wouldn't it be more or less impossible to explain without resorting to something like 'the fairies did it'. Rather immersion-breaking given its departure from everything that science does know about moons.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.09.30 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 30/09/2010 11:17:55
Originally by: RAW23
I definitely see the attraction in random moon spawning but ...
Wouldn't it be more or less impossible to explain without resorting to something like 'the fairies did it'. Rather immersion-breaking given its departure from everything that science does know about moons.
well it will be a bit hard to explain some natural phenomenon doing this on all moon every xxxx months...
a processus needing thoousand / millions of years would be easy to explain, but for some months :/
would be easy to do using some human-created technology however
but well after all, lore said wormhole spawning at some points can be very dangerous for a system, so why not using this explication for modification of moon material on a system ? must have a way to do it.
this could even be included on incursion lore, as they use very specifics wormholes, we can say after they come womwhere, and the battle who follow moons become affected.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.30 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Rather immersion-breaking
*cough*regeneratingstaticasteroidbelts*cough*
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:49:00 -
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I think the two most likely scenarios are convoys and comets.
Back in the day (before they rejiggered the veldspar respawn rate) 0.0 rats would sometimes escort haulers full of trit. This was seen as a temporary rebalancing. I see no reason why they wouldn't do this again with Tech as a short-term stop gap measure.
Longer term, the idea of introducing random and rare celestial objects than can be mined for whatever Dr. E wants to inject into the game also seems to be a possibility.
Can you imagine the screaming if it ever became known that CCP planted a tech moon or moons in alliance territory? I don't think that is ever going to happen.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:55:00 -
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They can always just push all the w-space moons full of minerals 
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:55:00 -
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yes after all it is far harder to drop a hauler, umm sorry freighter full of technetium in an alliance territory.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: RAW23
Rather immersion-breaking
*cough*regeneratingstaticasteroidbelts*cough*
lol - very true. I guess I find things more problematic the bigger and more familiar the objects are.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
They can always just push all the w-space moons full of minerals
They could always let the K-space moons "deplete" down to a fraction of their current production, then add lots more R32/R64 moons in new "U-space" on the other side of W-space, with U-space only being accessible via C5/C6 systems.
Then high end moon minerals would be valuable because it was difficult and dangerous to move them, not just because they were scarce.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: AnakieNine
yes after all it is far harder to drop a hauler, umm sorry freighter full of technetium in an alliance territory.
:)
I may not think much of CCP, but I'm pretty sure they could figure out that a freighter load of tech is not the same as a freighter full of trit.
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