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Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.25 12:50:00 - [1] Yeah so CCP finally 'officially' announced their second MMO, and showed a private screening of a short film. Here. It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and how it might influence CCP's work with EVE, more so with WIS and how it might move forward in the future.
Blnukem 192 Amarr Impetar	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:02:00 - [2] So it's official, EVE really is dying...
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:04:00 - [3] We can has twilite in stashuns? ~~Recruiting.~~
Tuttomenui II Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:05:00 - [4] Different game different Team. The only connections with eve would be that its by CCP, and maybe EvE provided capital to get it rolling, but it will have its own everything really. I don't see how this will effect eve. Vampires are a big seller they never get old. They have a huge cult following. Even ***ty Vampire books make it big because of this. Cough Cough* Twilight.. Cough* Cough*.... !ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME!
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:11:00 - [5] Well I think it is somewhat relevant in that obviously both EVE and WOD will use the Carbon engine stuff. I think there could be some kind of 'gameplay' or game design considerations in terms of Incarna, and Incarna's future in relation to ideas resonating from WOD or how Incarna can in turn resonate with WOD. But obviously we ain't going to start seeing emo vampires in spaceships... yet anyway
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:14:00 - [6] hay CCP, can we have that vide in highress please?
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:17:00 - [7] One thing I thought when I watched that short film, If they can make the game with that much foreboding, blood, and sex appeal, then I hope we get that kinda of stuff in Incarna.
Tuttomenui II Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral But obviously we ain't going to start seeing emo vampires in spaceships... They are called Blood Raiders... !ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME!
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Tuttomenui II Originally by: Flynn Fetladral But obviously we ain't going to start seeing emo vampires in spaceships... They are called Blood Raiders... But Bloodraiders aren't EMO
Tuttomenui II Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Originally by: Tuttomenui II Originally by: Flynn Fetladral But obviously we ain't going to start seeing emo vampires in spaceships... They are called Blood Raiders... But Bloodraiders aren't EMO Law of Averages would dictate that at least one of them is... !ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:32:00 - [11] When was the last time you spoke to a Blood Raider? Exactly. ~_~
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Originally by: Tuttomenui II Originally by: Flynn Fetladral But obviously we ain't going to start seeing emo vampires in spaceships... They are called Blood Raiders... But Bloodraiders aren't EMO Nor is World of Darkness.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:36:00 - [13] I for one, welcome the arrival of WoD, but that said I probably won't be playing it since I'm a internet spaceship pilot, and we all know that's serious biz But that said, being the awesomness that CCP is, it's a major + in my book either way. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

oil Double-L	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:53:00 - [14] let me hunt those darkies with my laser punisher. ill show them the light.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Zagdul on 25/09/2010 14:09:39 Originally by: Chribba I for one, welcome the arrival of WoD, but that said I probably won't be playing it since I'm a internet spaceship pilot, and we all know that's serious biz But that said, being the awesomness that CCP is, it's a major + in my book either way. /c No veld in Vamp world bud. Hey CCP... How's about releasing that vid? The lady friend wants to see it as she hates my internet spaceships, but has this thing for vampires.
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:11:00 - [16] We require ze video. In high resolution. Signature? What signature?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Zagdul No veld in Vamp world bud. Fark, seriously? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:30:00 - [18] Why is everyone cheering at the end? Oh, OFFICIAL announcement. With a video! (That reveals absolutely nothing substantial about the game, etc.)
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:34:00 - [19] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/09/2010 14:36:17 Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Yeah so CCP finally 'officially' announced their second MMO, and showed a private screening of a short film. Here. It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and how it might influence CCP's work with EVE, more so with WIS and how it might move forward in the future. I for one welcomes our new vamp overlords! This mean I will be playing two MMOs in the future; both made by the same company! Hehehehe! CCP can truly say they are now on their path to world dominion! But earliest in 2012?? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Why is everyone cheering at the end? Oh, OFFICIAL announcement. With a video! (That reveals absolutely nothing substantial about the game, etc.) Sure it does... Did you even watch it?!! THERE WERE GIRLS IN IT!! Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Victor Valka Caldari The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:39:00 - [21] Disturbing lack of werewolves and mages. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Why is everyone cheering at the end? Oh, OFFICIAL announcement. With a video! (That reveals absolutely nothing substantial about the game, etc.) Sure it does... Did you even watch it?!! THERE WERE GIRLS IN IT!! Girls in my MMO??? You surely must be jesting or mistaken!?? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Shizo Lang Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:41:00 - [23] i am also truly amazed, after playin the original computer game vampire: the masquerade a few more years ago i really was faszinated by its world, tho i am not a vampire fan at all. im really lookin frward for more info
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:42:00 - [24] One thing the video does reveal is that art direction seems good, but then I already expected that. EVE's one of the best-looking MMORPGs out there. I'm talking about art direction, by the way, not brownbloom and polygon count.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Why is everyone cheering at the end? Oh, OFFICIAL announcement. With a video! (That reveals absolutely nothing substantial about the game, etc.) Sure it does... Did you even watch it?!! THERE WERE GIRLS IN IT!! Girls in my MMO??? You surely must be jesting or mistaken!?? ubblind! /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:01:00 - [26] Interestingly, the fact that this game is about vampires will indeed mean a much higher IRL female population.
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Why is everyone cheering at the end? Oh, OFFICIAL announcement. With a video! (That reveals absolutely nothing substantial about the game, etc.) Yeah, girls are screaming! Throwing themselves at CCP representatives! I think they are so hyped cos it's some kind of 'vampire' / World of Darkness type thing convention.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:20:00 - [28] and you know this because. . . TBS though virtualy all of the people who I knew played Vampire: The Masquerade were male fans of Ann Rice, but that may just be my percetion.)granted its kind of hard not to have that perception when the roughly 20 people who are local members of the V:TM group includes only 5 (total) fm members. Around here there seems to be more Female midevil/renesance fantasy (ala Tolkin/Forgoten relms)LARPA players than male, but only slightly. (about 48% male to 52% Female roughly) . . . . . . . . a (Long) Guide to Pi
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:43:00 - [29] grats to the op for posting the 5th topic about this and to top it off in the wrong forums. There is already a thread about this in out of pod experience cause thats where this stuff goes.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Victor Valka Delightful lack of werewolves and mages. Fixed. The cross-overs almost universally sucked anywayà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk grats to the op for posting the 5th topic about this and to top it off in the wrong forums. There is already a thread about this in out of pod experience cause thats where this stuff goes. my pleasure, please come again.
Jofridur	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:56:00 - [32] Interesting... They will probably release it soon, I happen to be going somewhere where I might actually get a chance to see some more of that with my own eyes.
Caine Demastikus	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:05:00 - [33] aww imagine world of darkness in eve.. vampire brutors-gangrel... sebiastor-nosferatu vampire hunter amarrs :) tremere probably would be caldari and some of the rulling cast of amarr etc etc...
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:08:00 - [34] I loved Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, can't wait to don the Malkavian madness once again, you know after I get sick of EVE and that game with the space ninja's and magic. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
CharmingButIrrational Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:09:00 - [35] At least World of Darkness is a decent setting. Not into the whole Vampire thing, but I thought Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines was a pretty decent RPG so I'll probably give this a shot. I'm interested to know if CCP will follow with EVEs 'harsh mistress' approach, or if it's just going to be a standard hack and slash WoW clone affair. But dear god will the twilight fans flock.
Lady Parity	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Yeah so CCP finally 'officially' announced their second MMO, and showed a private screening of a short film. Here. It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and how it might influence CCP's work with EVE, more so with WIS and how it might move forward in the future. Actually world of warcraft was created by blizzard not ccp and has been out for year!
Moonmonkey Amarr Orange Clover	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:40:00 - [37] Nice video but no game play to back it up or screen shots, Next!
Deliras	Posted - 2010.09.25 17:08:00 - [38] Looking forward to it.
Aera Aiana Amarr	Posted - 2010.09.25 18:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Lady Parity Actually world of warcraft was created by blizzard not ccp and has been out for year! So you say that because it's a fantasy MMO? Or because it's about trade and politics (totally unlike eve...)? Hope you get the hint here. - Don't let the trolls stop you from giving a helpful reply. :)
Serz Wayfarer	Posted - 2010.09.25 18:48:00 - [40] (combat) Your Vampire Fangs I bites Female Villager, doing 59.7 damage.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.25 19:02:00 - [41] As cool as it might be, i'm kind of expecting them to do something like create a bottleneck between every area that will be camped and force the majority of players to remain in the starter area. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 19:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Professor Tarantula As cool as it might be, i'm kind of expecting them to do something like create a bottleneck between every area that will be camped and force the majority of players to remain in the starter area. They fixed that problem two years ago by giving people malleable privacy spheres that you could always pass throughà àthe comment was along the lines of "well, we have heard about these guys called 'goons' and we decided that the pool wouldn't be closed". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.25 20:48:00 - [43] I will try it as a show of support for CCP, but it better have guns in it. Lots of guns. And explosions. I like explosions.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:05:00 - [44] that looked pretty sweet, I want to play!
Razor Vision	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:28:00 - [45] I want to play it, NOW! You know, now that I think about it, I cannot believe there hasn't been a good attempt at a Vampire MMO done yet by any big gaming company. But I never would have guessed that of all companies out there, CCP was the one to take a serious stab at a Vampire MMO. But that's pretty cool because I can definitely expect a very cutthroat vampire world that way. (sandbox mmo's ftw)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Razor Vision You know, now that I think about it, I cannot believe there hasn't been a good attempt at a Vampire MMO done yet by any big gaming company. Easy. It's not a folow-the-leader WoW-clone. It's not a Hollywood franchise IP cash-in. It requires player-generated drama. All of these means that all other MMO manufacturers are inherently incapable of creating it. Blizzard might, but it's not one of their IPs, so there goes that possibility. àthe only question is: how on earth do we get CCP to pick up the Shadowrun IP? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Valorous Bob The Real OC Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral One thing I thought when I watched that short film, If they can make the game with that much foreboding, blood, and sex appeal, then I hope we get that kinda of stuff in Incarna. lol Theres plenty of manlove in space already. the last thing we need is to worry about dropping the soap, err "veldspar", while standing around in space stations filled with lonely space men.
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:53:00 - [48] I don't think I'll be playing it. I can't see how I would be able to use a spreadsheet to enhance the play at all! And Eve has me addicted to internet spreadsheet space pilots! Issler
Hroya Gallente TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Valorous Bob Originally by: Flynn Fetladral One thing I thought when I watched that short film, If they can make the game with that much foreboding, blood, and sex appeal, then I hope we get that kinda of stuff in Incarna. lol Theres plenty of manlove in space already. the last thing we need is to worry about dropping the soap, err "veldspar", while standing around in space stations filled with lonely space men. Hey, you dropped your mission item. Arent you going to pick it up ? Errr .. Naaa. Screw the agent, i am going to tell him he can forget it! Are you ssssure you're not going to pick it up? Oh hell no, i am a tough guy ! pushes back against the wall

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.25 22:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Well I think it is somewhat relevant in that obviously both EVE and WOD will use the Carbon engine stuff. I think there could be some kind of 'gameplay' or game design considerations in terms of Incarna, and Incarna's future in relation to ideas resonating from WOD or how Incarna can in turn resonate with WOD. But obviously we ain't going to start seeing emo vampires in spaceships... yet anyway Indeed then EVE Online and World of Darkness are based on the same CARBON technology foundation. We have in the last few years split up the code of EVE into game-specific and game-agnostic parts, creating the CARBON framework that will be used by World of Darkness and DUST 514. A lot of the code that has been written for World of Darkness, in particular the avatar-specific code, will in turn be used in the Incarna expansion of EVE. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

SIEGE RED	Posted - 2010.09.25 23:01:00 - [51] How much work will it take for Carbon to be marketable?
Alexey Chernobyl	Posted - 2010.09.25 23:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Tippia àthe only question is: how on earth do we get CCP to pick up the Shadowrun IP? This is a question that truly must be asked.
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.25 23:12:00 - [53] Originally by: SIEGE RED How much work will it take for Carbon to be marketable? It looks like CCP haven't followed current graphics trends, and are actually utilizing vivid colors in Carbon. For Carbon to be marketable, they'll need to add brownbloom support. Basically, the graphics should look like someone smeared human excrement all over the game geometry and models, and as though they're being viewed through a foggy lens.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.25 23:30:00 - [54] Originally by: SIEGE RED How much work will it take for Carbon to be marketable? "The Carbon Framework is used by CCP to create virtual worlds, and not intended or available for licensing." Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.25 23:31:00 - [55] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: SIEGE RED How much work will it take for Carbon to be marketable? "The Carbon Framework is used by CCP to create virtual worlds, and not intended or available for licensing." This stuff looks nice, Explorer. I hope WOD works out great for you guys and the investment pays off. I've got friends who are super excited about it. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
SIEGE RED	Posted - 2010.09.25 23:44:00 - [56] Edited by: SIEGE RED on 25/09/2010 23:45:29 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: SIEGE RED How much work will it take for Carbon to be marketable? "The Carbon Framework is used by CCP to create virtual worlds, and not intended or available for licensing." Marketable doesn't necessarily mean licensing, but at least that is good to see. I am more curious on current and/or future projects by CCP. Seeing how the feature page for this winter reads like a hybrid of a press release and an investor portfolio statement you can't blame people for being curious. Catbon reads like it could be quite interestng as a cornerstone element in it all. Just one question if I may, is Carbon the result of or partial result of corification processes over time?
Cyan Whisper	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:04:00 - [57] Does CCP/White-Wolf intend to release this as a Vampire: The Masquerade (Gothic-punk, dark comic graphic novel atmosphere) or a Vampire The Requiem setting (a fictional, yet faux-reaity, aimless, souless, dry setting that's not cold, but really has no sense of what it is anymore beyond being an excuse to sell new books with a new, justifiably improved ruleset.) ?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:09:00 - [58] Will it be an M rated title, and if so how will you deal with ISPs charging people more money to connect to it? Couldn't resist My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Legs Mackenzie	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:14:00 - [59] Would be interested to know about the hardware being deployed. Is the infrastructure based on that of Eve?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:20:00 - [60] Originally by: SIEGE RED Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: SIEGE RED How much work will it take for Carbon to be marketable? "The Carbon Framework is used by CCP to create virtual worlds, and not intended or available for licensing." Marketable doesn't necessarily mean licensing, but at least that is good to see. I am more curious on current and/or future projects by CCP. Seeing how the feature page for this winter reads like a hybrid of a press release and an investor portfolio statement you can't blame people for being curious. Catbon reads like it could be quite interestng as a cornerstone element in it all. Just one question if I may, is Carbon the result of or partial result of corification processes over time? It's the combined result of corification of the game-agnostic code of EVE on one hand and new development of EVE and World of Darkness on the other hand. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:22:00 - [61] Originally by: Legs Mackenzie Would be interested to know about the hardware being deployed. Is the infrastructure based on that of Eve? Only in the sense that we have a lot of knowledge on how to set up and operate big clusters. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Legs Mackenzie	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:28:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Legs Mackenzie Would be interested to know about the hardware being deployed. Is the infrastructure based on that of Eve? Only in the sense that we have a lot of knowledge on how to set up and operate big clusters. So clusters then. And also big. I considered mentioning latency, but too obvious. Good luck though, sincerely
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:29:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Legs Mackenzie Would be interested to know about the hardware being deployed. Is the infrastructure based on that of Eve? Only in the sense that we have a lot of knowledge on how to set up and operate big clusters. So it's also going to run on a single server? My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Legs Mackenzie Would be interested to know about the hardware being deployed. Is the infrastructure based on that of Eve? Only in the sense that we have a lot of knowledge on how to set up and operate big clusters. So it's also going to run on a single server? Can we export our ships? Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist

CCP Kepler	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Cyan Whisper Does CCP/White-Wolf intend to release this as a Vampire: The Masquerade (Gothic-punk, dark comic graphic novel atmosphere) or a Vampire The Requiem The World of Darkness MMO will be based on Vampire: The Masquerade.

Cyan Whisper	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:59:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Kepler Originally by: Cyan Whisper Does CCP/White-Wolf intend to release this as a Vampire: The Masquerade (Gothic-punk, dark comic graphic novel atmosphere) or a Vampire The Requiem The World of Darkness MMO will be based on Vampire: The Masquerade. Fantastic. Thank you.
Mr M Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:15:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Explorer Indeed then EVE Online and World of Darkness are based on the same CARBON technology foundation. We have in the last few years split up the code of EVE into game-specific and game-agnostic parts, creating the CARBON framework that will be used by World of Darkness and DUST 514. A lot of the code that has been written for World of Darkness, in particular the avatar-specific code, is also a part of the CARBON framework and will in turn be used in the Incarna expansion of EVE. Odin's beard. Was that so hard to say? You could've admitted that months ago and you'd dodged a lot of drama. Oh well, I'm glad the vampire is out of the bag at last. Malkavians are cool. Eve Tribune\|EVEgeek\|Firebrand Radio
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:24:00 - [68] I've always liked the catiff, clanless is fun I hope they do it in sandbox style like eve, the level of freedom is one of the things that makes EvE great. The whole atmosphere is also very important however the trailer looks like its staying fairly close which is nice. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Cyan Whisper Fantastic. Thank you. Curious why you prefer VTM to VTR? Not that I know anything about it. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:48:00 - [70] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cyan Whisper Fantastic. Thank you. Curious why you prefer VTM to VTR? Not that I know anything about it. -Liang Before forums, pen and paper nerds used new editions as a catalyst for rage. The trend is still continuing.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cyan Whisper Fantastic. Thank you. Curious why you prefer VTM to VTR? Not that I know anything about it. -Liang I think they answered that in how each was described. But if you want, play VTM: Bloodlines and see for yourself. One of the most underrated games of this decade. Stumbled on it quite by accident and was blown away. Really a shame it didn't get more exposure. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Professor Tarantula I think they answered that in how each was described. But if you want, play VTM: Bloodlines and see for yourself. One of the most underrated games of this decade. Stumbled on it quite by accident and was blown away. Really a shame it didn't get more exposure. Yeah, one of the creepier games I've ever played. The scene in the haunted house really messed with my mind... I had to keep reminding myself that I was a bad ass mother **ing vampire and no silly ghost was gonna mess with me! -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Professor Tarantula I think they answered that in how each was described. But if you want, play VTM: Bloodlines and see for yourself. One of the most underrated games of this decade. Stumbled on it quite by accident and was blown away. Really a shame it didn't get more exposure. Yeah, one of the creepier games I've ever played. The scene in the haunted house really messed with my mind... I had to keep reminding myself that I was a bad ass mother ****ing vampire and no silly ghost was gonna mess with me! -Liang So many events in that game stuck with me, which is rare these days. Characters and everything were so vivid. AI was a little buggy, but we can blame that on Valve. Everytime the subject comes up i find myself gushing about it. Think i'm going to finally give it another playthrough. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Noun Verber Before forums, pen and paper nerds used new editions as a catalyst for rage. The trend is still continuing. These days, it's usually with good reason. Witness Shadowrun 3rd compared to Shadowrun 4th.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Mr M Originally by: CCP Explorer Indeed then EVE Online and World of Darkness are based on the same CARBON technology foundation. We have in the last few years split up the code of EVE into game-specific and game-agnostic parts, creating the CARBON framework that will be used by World of Darkness and DUST 514. A lot of the code that has been written for World of Darkness, in particular the avatar-specific code, is also a part of the CARBON framework and will in turn be used in the Incarna expansion of EVE. Odin's beard. Was that so hard to say? You could've admitted that months ago and you'd dodged a lot of drama. Oh well, I'm glad the vampire is out of the bag at last. Malkavians are cool. Possibly, but World of Darkness had not been officially announced then, even though it's one of CCP's worst kept secrets... But it has been announced now and therefore we are able to talk about EVE Online, DUST 514, World of Darkness and CARBON (the common technology foundation) and explain in more detail how they are linked or a part of the same strategy of shared code and BattleTesting. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:24:00 - [76] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/09/2010 02:25:21 Originally by: CCP Explorer BattleTesting. Moar Details. NAO! -Liang Ed: Holy crap man, its 2:30AM in Reykjavik. You trying to steal my forum *** title??! -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:42:00 - [77] I think battletesting is just the term they use for adapting code that is used on the live server. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:42:00 - [78] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: CCP Explorer BattleTesting. Moar Details. NAO! Ed: Holy crap man, its 2:30AM in Reykjavik. You trying to steal my forum *** title??! See this dev blog: CCP has a technical vision of sharing game-agnostic code between different projects. We have a Core Technology team that works specifically on such code, e.g., the Trinity graphics engine, and then the game teams, such as the EVE Development team, integrate that code and build game specific functionality leveraging as much of the CCP Core Technology Platform as possible. When writing new functionality, the game teams are encouraged to separate the game-specific code from the game-agnostic code and submit as additions and enhancements to the CCP Core Technology Platform. That way all the different development teams within CCP further all our projects. (True leveraging of global synergies.) Of course the CCP Core Technology Platform, as stands today, didn't come into existence this way. It was originally written simply as a part of EVE and then later the game-agnostic parts were extracted from it. This process has come to be known internally at CCP as "corification", and the act of releasing Core Technology Platform enhancements to EVE Online is called "battletesting". and this dev blog: As CCP and EVE continue to grow, it makes sense for us to consider our existing technologies and re-use these if appropriate across our projects as part of the Carbon framework. This becomes more appealing if those technologies are proven (or, as we call it, æbattletested') in the crucible that is a game being used by a passionate, resourceful and sometimes devious player base**. Furthermore, as our new projects continue to mature, we can take the technologies developed by them and apply them to EVE. This means that the EVE development teams get some great new technologies which it hasn't had to spend any developer time creating. Having the CTG take the strain making this happen ensures the EVE developers can concentrate on developing EVE and make best use of this common technology. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.09.26 02:46:00 - [79] Originally by: CCP Explorer See this dev blog Ah yeah, I read those. I just didn't recognize the term. Thanks for the links though! -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Saint Lazarus Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.26 03:52:00 - [80] This thread is full of awesome and win Cant wait for Incarna and now I cant wait for WoD. That Carbon vid was amazing, plz show more soon(tm) ----------------- My EvE Comic
Thagurz	Posted - 2010.09.26 04:27:00 - [81] The bald head glare was a bit distracting. Originally by: Optical Illusion Whilst your there, could you also remove learning skills, T2 bpos, and install a feature where by i cant get ganked outside jita 4-4 with my 2 bil in a badger.
illford baker exo-galactic enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.26 04:52:00 - [82] will it have the same "one player driven server/universe" that eve has?
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.26 04:53:00 - [83] I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Cyan Whisper	Posted - 2010.09.26 05:16:00 - [84] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cyan Whisper Fantastic. Thank you. Curious why you prefer VTM to VTR? Not that I know anything about it. -Liang Aesthetically speaking: VTM: -Simplicity. -Strong Gothicpunk ambiance. -Straightforward unabashedly comic approach to setting (a don't ask why (strictly speaking) set of reasons for things that are for the most part coherent.) -An underlying & fictionally hinted at via writing style of various speakers that produced an ambiance of: - this is how it is IRL. Even if everyone reading and writing the material is mature and well aware it's all just a game. Note this was much more prevalent in early to mid era White Wolf written material. As development progressed, it became more and more surreal. Clearly a game / comic setting. VTR: -Complexity. -Rationalized vampires in a faux-real-world-esque setting, -A lack of signal and a lot of noise when trying to grasp onto the setting as a whole. It's a bit like a shoebox of ideas all thrown together, jumbled around, reconfigured and subsequently laid out with much attention paid to detail and execution. Yet in the process Vampire seems to have lost its heart and soul. In many respects from an aesthetic point of view, one can endlessly argue for either as a valid way to play "Vampire". Yet honestly i'm of the opinion that VTR got lost in its myriad of possible ways to be played. If i want complexity and rational explanations for nearly everything, I'll play Eve + Incarna.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.26 05:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cyan Whisper Fantastic. Thank you. Curious why you prefer VTM to VTR? Not that I know anything about it. -Liang While the narrator/gamemaster will make a lot of difference: VTM: - world spanning ambientation where he "elders" are really much more powerful than the "young" vampires, you have to fight teeth and nails to climb the ladder of vampire political power and the increase in your vampire powers has very clear upper limits unless you drink the "soul" of a elder, something that if discovered will likely make you the target of a death hunt; - nice backstory with Caino as the first vampire and your most important trait (generation) showing of far removed you are from him; - good for a game where new players will not be too disadvantaged (game mechanic wise) against players with more years of gaming time while the player RL political/relational skills will have a real impact. VTR: - more localized playing with weaker links with other cities, the gap between "elders" and "young" vampires is much narrower, the increase in your vampire powers is easier and not really limited by your generation; - backstory is less developed; - using that set of rules the time you have played will make a larger difference in your personal power advantaging older players instead of more politically savvy players. Note that I really hope that the "elders" will be NPC only (what age/generation will mark an elder is something that should be balanced by CCP).
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.26 07:58:00 - [86] Methinks it is time to invest in CCP shares. They'll be pumping out 10 gpy soon (games per year) ^_^ ~~Recruiting.~~
Jim Pooley The Bobtheminer Appreciation Society	Posted - 2010.09.26 08:10:00 - [87] Is it true you were going to call the engine "Charon" but got scammed? ------------------------------------------ Mines a Pint of Large
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.09.26 08:13:00 - [88] Originally by: Ghoest I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. You dont think offering gullible middle-class kids a chance to talk about their inner selves and suffering in return for money is a good business plan? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.09.26 08:19:00 - [89] Originally by: CCP Explorer But it has been announced now and therefore we are able to talk about EVE Online, DUST 514. Seems like it's been a long while since anyone at CCP talked to us about Dust... let's hear something? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
NewGit Caldari Rusty Industries	Posted - 2010.09.26 08:24:00 - [90] Will I be able to open a universal chain of Blood Banks and corner the market on red Bio Goo ? Perhaps a chain of late night dental clinics as well ? Long cloaks and gothic wear shops will be a hit, as maybe garlic/crucifix/silver shops too ? (Can I get a price check on a Silver Crucifix BPO ? And some T2 Wooden Stakes ?) --------------* If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, mine it.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.09.26 08:50:00 - [91] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Victor Valka Delightful lack of werewolves and mages. Fixed. The cross-overs almost universally sucked anywayà While I'm glad that it is just Vampires I would disagree that the other games sucked... It's just that they were different games. Werewolf: The Apocolypse was splatterpunk, it was all about ripping people in half and impossible odds (not least because they were fighting the wrong enemy (the Weaver being far more dangerous to Ghia than the Wyrm). However, as separate games they don't play well together, immortality means very little when you know someone who can literally change all of the rules of reality around you. Mages in a computer game, Assension mages at least, would almost certainly suck. It might just about work for the Technocracy or the Order of Hermes but the limited number of effects possible within a coded framework would lead to spells as opposed to magic... Forces + Correspondence can be used for more than Fireballs after all -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.26 09:00:00 - [92] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Ghoest I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. You dont think offering gullible middle-class kids a chance to talk about their inner selves and suffering in return for money is a good business plan? Yeah, this, and the fact, as I understand it, VTM has a MASSIVE following. So it should be pretty win for CCP. Look how mental everyone goes after the video is finished. I actually think, by design or not, CCP makes good calls on what demographics to go after to build alternative games (to the industry norms). Most people in the MMO industry only ever seem obsessed by being a 'WOW' Killer, and I guess who would blame them. But pure profit as a drive to build games tends to reap bland games. CCP is an indie studio that does not seem to lose its roots, even after how much they have expanded. It's been a long 7 years, but right now CCP is in an awesome place to make good MMOs, it can take risks and be cutting edge. What's more interesting is that when you consider EVE 7 years ago, and what it has grown from in relation to CCP as a start up company. Think of everything CCP wanted to do with EVE, but at the time was unable to for monetary and technical reasons. Both WOD and DUST514 are not going to be chained to such restrictions. CCP can realized its whole vision for these games right off the bat.
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Fidelis Discordia	Posted - 2010.09.26 09:02:00 - [93] Originally by: CCP Kepler Originally by: Cyan Whisper Does CCP/White-Wolf intend to release this as a Vampire: The Masquerade (Gothic-punk, dark comic graphic novel atmosphere) or a Vampire The Requiem The World of Darkness MMO will be based on Vampire: The Masquerade. You are a GOD, I don't get requiem :P Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Aera Aiana Amarr	Posted - 2010.09.26 09:57:00 - [94] Originally by: Ghoest I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. You don't have to be gay to play fantasy games. Not being a complete jerk usually suffices. And why would it be bizarre? It ensures that there is not too much overlap in target audiences for EVE and WOD, so that WOD actually attracts additional customers as opposed to taking them away from eve. - Don't let the trolls stop you from giving a helpful reply. :)
Vic Tandi	Posted - 2010.09.26 10:09:00 - [95] Oh, thats why some new head models from Singularity client have vampire fangs
Erdiere Minmatar Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.26 10:23:00 - [96] Originally by: Vic Tandi Oh, thats why some new head models from Singularity client have vampire fangs pics or gtfo
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.26 10:29:00 - [97] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Witness Shadowrun 3rd compared to Shadowrun 4th. Pff! SR4 is almost as good as SR2! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Vic Tandi	Posted - 2010.09.26 10:47:00 - [98] Edited by: Vic Tandi on 26/09/2010 10:51:56 Originally by: Erdiere Originally by: Vic Tandi Oh, thats why some new head models from Singularity client have vampire fangs pics or gtfo enjoy http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1009/mod1.png http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1009/mod2.png http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1009/mod3.png Fangs is just too big for jinmei male o/
Dalmont Delantee Gallente British Legion	Posted - 2010.09.26 12:26:00 - [99] Ars Magica was fantastic, I've always wanted to run a game on that, but I think it was too complicated for some of my ummm players... Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Brolly Caldari 13th Legion the lastchancers	Posted - 2010.09.26 13:29:00 - [100] Do eve players get first dibs on beta testing?
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.09.26 13:39:00 - [101] Originally by: Brolly Do eve players get first dibs on beta testing? Incarna will presumably be out first (plan is summer 2011, WoD is planned for somewhere in 2012), so in a way we do. And CCP will probably let their community know when a Beta-test is going to be planned.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.26 13:50:00 - [102] Originally by: Aera Aiana Originally by: Ghoest I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. You don't have to be gay to play fantasy games. Not being a complete jerk usually suffices. And why would it be bizarre? It ensures that there is not too much overlap in target audiences for EVE and WOD, so that WOD actually attracts additional customers as opposed to taking them away from eve. \ I really dont think I implied at all that you have to be gay to roleplay or even enjoy roleplaying. I was strictly meaning just what I said - that it seemed like an odd demographic switch from one particular game to another particular game. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 14:55:00 - [103] Originally by: Ghoest I really dont think I implied at all that you have to be gay to roleplay or even enjoy roleplaying. I was strictly meaning just what I said - that it seemed like an odd demographic switch from one particular game to another particular game. What real difference is there between immortal bloodthirsty humans in space, and immortal bloodthirsty humans on Earth? Like i mentioned in my last post, you can thank Anne Rice for creating the idea you have about vampires. Twilight is a continuation of the same garbage, and i hate it all as much as anyone, but it's not the final word in the genre. White Wolf's vamps aren't the kind of angsty teenagers you find in most pop culture. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.09.26 14:57:00 - [104] Why do they even waste their money making trailers such as this ? I look forward to the game but that "Short film" did nothing.
Towaoc Caldari Applied Technologies Inc	Posted - 2010.09.26 15:04:00 - [105] Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Yeah so CCP finally 'officially' announced their second MMO, and showed a private screening of a short film. Here. It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and how it might influence CCP's work with EVE, more so with WIS and how it might move forward in the future. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I saw a couple of Minmatar in there...
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.09.26 15:15:00 - [106] Cool, I hope Carbon lets me make a character that looks like this in WoD.
Kolatha	Posted - 2010.09.26 16:04:00 - [107] Edited by: Kolatha on 26/09/2010 16:04:56 Originally by: Professor Tarantula White Wolf's vamps aren't the kind of angsty teenagers you find in most pop culture. Maybe not the original intention, but they are the target audience for the game. If you spend any time with larger fan groups of the VTM you will find that it is dominated if not by angsty pop culture influenced teens then by angsty pop-culture influenced 20 somethings.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.26 16:07:00 - [108] Edited by: Tippia on 26/09/2010 16:09:30 Originally by: Kolatha Originally by: Professor Tarantula White Wolf's vamps aren't the kind of angsty teenagers you find in most pop culture. Maybe not the original intention, but they are the target audience for the game. If you spend any time with larger fan groups of the VTM you will find that it is dominated if not by angsty pop culture influenced teens then by angsty pop-culture influenced 20 somethings. Maybe, but those who started playing it back when it was good have now turned into pop-culture influenced 40 somethingsà (angst is optional). àand I do believe that VTM was very keen on the good old "age and guileà" quote, soà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.26 17:10:00 - [109] Originally by: Towaoc Originally by: Flynn Fetladral Yeah so CCP finally 'officially' announced their second MMO, and showed a private screening of a short film. Here. It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and how it might influence CCP's work with EVE, more so with WIS and how it might move forward in the future. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I saw a couple of Minmatar in there... I swear I saw a naked chick in a bath of blood... pretty 'M' rated if you ask me... M for Minmatar.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 17:24:00 - [110] Was speaking more about the characters and stories WoD has compared to the average Vampire fare, not the fans. It simply having Vampires will make the Twilight crowd show up, and they'll probably retch at the first sign of blood or the sound of a neck snapping. The main difference to me is in WoD you're more apt to see Vampires loving every minute of being one and feeling like gods than you are ones feeling sorry for themselves. Which is why i find their Vampires more realistic. Anne Rice had this 'ooo, poor me, i'm an ageless superhuman' thing going on which wore thin after awhile. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Tub Chil	Posted - 2010.09.26 17:27:00 - [111] how you play this game? running in the streets sucking NPC blood?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.26 17:33:00 - [112] Originally by: Jim Pooley Is it true you were going to call the engine "Charon" but got scammed? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.26 17:46:00 - [113] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Jim Pooley Is it true you were going to call the engine "Charon" but got scammed? That's a "yes" if I ever saw oneà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.09.26 17:50:00 - [114] Originally by: Aera Aiana Originally by: Ghoest I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. You don't have to be gay to play fantasy games. Not being a complete jerk usually suffices. And why would it be bizarre? It ensures that there is not too much overlap in target audiences for EVE and WOD, so that WOD actually attracts additional customers as opposed to taking them away from eve. The Incarna expansion will expand EVE to the type of players that like a sci-fi setting but don't like being a spaceship all the time and want an avatar to connect to. DUST 514 will expand EVE to players that like a sci-fi setting but are console players or want a more fast-paced game (an FPS). At the same time the current EVE (that we will continue to evolve) will continue to appeal to sci-fi players that want a more slow-paced strategic game. World of Darkness will appeal to a different type of people so it won't (directly) compete with EVE and DUST 514. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Oorestes	Posted - 2010.09.26 18:28:00 - [115] Why would being gay have anything to do with the demographic at all? Jeez, some people. Gay people have been playing Eve since the beginning and are no more or less likely to be attracted to a vampire mmo than they are a spaceship mmo. We enjoy the same things the rest of you do ffs. Some of us like Vampires, some of us like spaceships, most of us like both. Just...like...you.
wizard87	Posted - 2010.09.26 18:37:00 - [116] It all begins, when Eve dies...
Comrade Tsukae	Posted - 2010.09.26 18:38:00 - [117] Originally by: Oorestes Why would being gay have anything to do with the demographic at all? Jeez, some people. Gay people have been playing Eve since the beginning and are no more or less likely to be attracted to a vampire mmo than they are a spaceship mmo. We enjoy the same things the rest of you do ffs. Some of us like Vampires, some of us like spaceships, most of us like both. Just...like...you. Glad to see a reasonable human being here.
Psiri	Posted - 2010.09.26 20:32:00 - [118] I'm interested to see how the game world will be built. Pherhaps CCP has a plan, because it just seems like an absolutely huge undertaking to do.
Mr M Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2010.09.26 20:36:00 - [119] Originally by: CCP Explorer Possibly, but World of Darkness had not been officially announced then, even though it's one of CCP's worst kept secrets... Don't run around with shirts saying <New Secret Gamename> if you try to keep things secret Eve Tribune\|EVEgeek\|Firebrand Radio
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.09.26 21:15:00 - [120] I hope, after CCP is swimming in all the emo kid money they're going to make from this, that they still remember to update and support little old EVE. Good luck you guys.
Null Color	Posted - 2010.09.26 21:16:00 - [121] Originally by: CCP Explorer Possibly, but World of Darkness had not been officially announced then, even though it's one of CCP's worst kept secrets... I really really like RTS's me.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.26 21:54:00 - [122] Originally by: Oorestes Why would being gay have anything to do with the demographic at all? Jeez, some people. Gay people have been playing Eve since the beginning and are no more or less likely to be attracted to a vampire mmo than they are a spaceship mmo. I think they're probably going on how effeminate male Vampires have become in a lot of movies. Which doesn't mean gay exactly, but it still conjures confusing feelings in the hearts of those guys who are militantly hetero. You know the type. They put a lot of effort into appearing as straight as possible for some reason. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2010.09.26 22:08:00 - [123] Originally by: CCP Kepler Originally by: Cyan Whisper Does CCP/White-Wolf intend to release this as a Vampire: The Masquerade (Gothic-punk, dark comic graphic novel atmosphere) or a Vampire The Requiem The World of Darkness MMO will be based on Vampire: The Masquerade. Epic ballsy move on your part guys. As an old V:TM p&p player, thank you
Pesky LaRue The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.09.26 22:21:00 - [124] Originally by: Jim Pooley Is it true you were going to call the engine "Charon" but got scammed? Brilliant. Originally by: Noun Verber Before forums, pen and paper nerds used new editions as a catalyst for rage. The trend is still continuing. Equally brilliant. Originally by: Ghoest I find it completely bizarre that CCP has decided to switch to the gothic woman/gay male target demographic considering that they build the company with EVE. It's called diversification but honestly, that's a pretty small-minded view to have. They will get more interest from a variety of demographics than the limited selection you mentioned. .
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.26 22:57:00 - [125] All this discussion of core technology and Carbon(tm) is fine and dandy... but now that the convention is officially over and stuff, can we please please pretty please with a werewolf on top get the WoD Online trailer uploaded to youtube in HD? Signature? What signature?
Captain Torgo The Geedunk Expedition	Posted - 2010.09.26 23:12:00 - [126] Yes, please release that trailer. I'm tired of looking at the back of that guys head and watching a trailer from the side. Not cool. And if it's anything like VtM Bloodlines, I may wet myself.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.27 00:13:00 - [127] Originally by: CCP Explorer World of Darkness will appeal to a different type of people so it won't (directly) compete with EVE and DUST 514. I will most likely, when WoD comes out, quit playing eve to play WoD. As a hard-core P&P World of Darkness gamer since near the beginning (I played my first V:tM game about 18 years ago), I'm quite pleased to see that it's not just Vaporware.

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.09.27 02:57:00 - [128] An inappropriate post removed.

Kolatha	Posted - 2010.09.27 03:28:00 - [129] Originally by: Tippia but those who started playing it back when it was good have now turned into pop-culture influenced 40 somethingsà (angst is optional). Guilty as charged :) I am looking forward to this game, if only for the epic emo-rage threads from all the kiddies expecting puppy hugging sparklepires. More to the topic at hand, any chance of the vid in question uploaded to youtube? Although we probably have to wait for the official announcement to hit the White Wolf page.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.09.27 04:56:00 - [130] For fan boys out there just a hint that you won't be seeing other super naturals as a playable race since different game lines run at completely different power levels for example a wimpiest of a werewolf would easily beat the beefiest of Brujah, only things that werewolves (or garou as they are called) are vulnerable are 'mind ****' and silver. Same issues go with the rest of the game lines in OWOD, they just don't mix that well and are impossible to balance for an online game without screwing up the feeling from P&P game lines. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.27 05:33:00 - [131] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Oorestes Why would being gay have anything to do with the demographic at all? Jeez, some people. Gay people have been playing Eve since the beginning and are no more or less likely to be attracted to a vampire mmo than they are a spaceship mmo. I think they're probably going on how effeminate male Vampires have become in a lot of movies. Which doesn't mean gay exactly, but it still conjures confusing feelings in the hearts of those guys who are militantly hetero. You know the type. They put a lot of effort into appearing as straight as possible for some reason. Yes in "Interview with a Vampire", that last scene between Louie and Armand was kind of.... close.... but this notion from Anne Rice's work about vampires lacking in desires - being somewhat celibate, was a stepping stone. Gone was Belle Lugosi's Count Dracula who was known to like the ladies and Bram Stoker's Vlad on who this was based was all to pieces over a woman.
Zeuth Proxy Caldari Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2010.09.27 08:08:00 - [132] What Iam curious about is if CCP ever plans on releasing a single player game. It seems odd that 3/3 if the games planned to be released are either MMOs or Online FPS. Is this due to the single player market being that bad compared to MMOs? Its seems more suicidal in my mind for a company like CCP to release a Online FPS considering the amount of competition in that market aswell as CCP not being well known in comparison. Where as EvE has grown so well and lasted so long because its a unique niche style. Same goes for the planned WOD MMO which hits a broader niche market, Personally Iam looking forward more to WoD then iam Dust514. So long as WoD is based more off of VTM and not the emo/homo Twilight type vampire persona.
Flynn Fetladral Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2010.09.27 11:04:00 - [133] Originally by: Zeuth Proxy What Iam curious about is if CCP ever plans on releasing a single player game.... Its seems more suicidal in my mind for a company like CCP to release a Online FPS considering the amount of competition in that market aswell as CCP not being well known in comparison. Where as EvE has grown so well and lasted so long because its a unique niche style. Same goes for the planned WOD MMO which hits a broader niche market... I don't see CCP getting into the Single Player market. DUST 514 is most likely going to be the closest thing they get. More and more Single player games are going online more now. People want persistent and or DLC so either you get more MMO type games or Single player games which are persistent and have some MMO elements. There is also not too much in the way of a fully blown MMO FPS, and obviously non which connect into another MMO. Right now the closest thing would be MAG that I know of. Obviously with Carbon now they have a big basket of goodies, but after WOD and DUST I'm not sure if they would invest in building more games for a while. Your talking about a company going from 1 MMO to suddenly having 3. They will need to iterate, and see if DUST / WOD are successful and start to pay back on the companies investment before they want to invest into another game.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.09.27 12:37:00 - [134] Here is a better video. If only people could use the zoom button...
Mallui Mallard	Posted - 2010.09.27 13:29:00 - [135] Can I mine for Blood?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.27 14:58:00 - [136] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer but this notion from Anne Rice's work about vampires lacking in desires - being somewhat celibate, was a stepping stone. Yeah, Vampire myths trace their origins to Succubis and Incubis, so the celibate thing is a step away from that. However it started a long time before Anne Rice, with blood drinking replacing the more intangible act of draining someones life force via sex. In modern versions, WoD included, Vampires just use their seductiveness to manipulate members of the opposite sex into doing things, and blood is often just taken from any living thing with no need for such subtleties. It just occurred to me that male vampires becoming more androgynous looking in modern versions may be a response to them feeding from both sexes instead of being specialized in just the opposite sex, like succubis and incubis. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:35:00 - [137] Hm.. why does this backgroundstory remind me of Blade?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:41:00 - [138] Originally by: Tres Farmer Hm.. why does this backgroundstory remind me of Blade? Because Hollywood hasn't had an original idea since the 80's? My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:49:00 - [139] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Tres Farmer Hm.. why does this backgroundstory remind me of Blade? Because Hollywood hasn't had an original idea since the 80's? Well, they just make movies from stuff that's written on paper, can't blame 'em really. I'm still waiting for a Foundation Triology movie
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:59:00 - [140] Originally by: Tres Farmer Hm.. why does this backgroundstory remind me of Blade? Because the comic was one of the inspirations they used for the original setting. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.27 16:03:00 - [141] Originally by: Oorestes Why would being gay have anything to do with the demographic at all? Jeez, some people. Gay people have been playing Eve since the beginning and are no more or less likely to be attracted to a vampire mmo than they are a spaceship mmo. We enjoy the same things the rest of you do ffs. Some of us like Vampires, some of us like spaceships, most of us like both. Just...like...you. Because I guess you dont understand what demographics are. In no was did my comments mean that you or any other individual shouldnt be enjoying what ever game you like. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.27 16:07:00 - [142] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tres Farmer Hm.. why does this backgroundstory remind me of Blade? Because the comic was one of the inspirations they used for the original setting. I heard it was the cinematic masterpiece Monster Squad which started it all. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Oorestes	Posted - 2010.09.27 16:52:00 - [143] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Oorestes Why would being gay have anything to do with the demographic at all? Jeez, some people. Gay people have been playing Eve since the beginning and are no more or less likely to be attracted to a vampire mmo than they are a spaceship mmo. We enjoy the same things the rest of you do ffs. Some of us like Vampires, some of us like spaceships, most of us like both. Just...like...you. Because I guess you dont understand what demographics are. In no was did my comments mean that you or any other individual shouldnt be enjoying what ever game you like. Apparently I have a much better understanding of demographics than you do of tact. I personally can't wait for this one. I just reinstalled VTMB a couple weeks ago in anticipation of this. Also if anybody is interested, you can pick it up really cheap on D2D. If you haven't played it, you certainly should. It is one of the most underrated games of all time and still holds up quite well today, years after its release.
DonHel Gallente Kentucky Fried Capsuleer	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:01:00 - [144] i will probably check this out when it is released only because it's by ccp, not realy big fan of vampire stuff( twiligiht craze made me hate even more lol) but ccp may suprise us with this one and it be pretty sweet game, dunno.. 2012 earliest release date tho :(
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:08:00 - [145] I found gameplay footage
Caldari citizen52145894561	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:15:00 - [146] Edited by: Caldari citizen52145894561 on 27/09/2010 17:16:00 I want to bombard the vampire landscape with my purifying lazors of light ofcourse that will never happen
Kambiri Zoltana the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:17:00 - [147] Another fantasy mmo the world isn't waiting for
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:19:00 - [148] Originally by: Kambiri Zoltana Another fantasy mmo the world isn't waiting for Which one? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.09.27 19:05:00 - [149] Originally by: Zeuth Proxy What Iam curious about is if CCP ever plans on releasing a single player game. It seems odd that 3/3 if the games planned to be released are either MMOs or Online FPS. Is this due to the single player market being that bad compared to MMOs? Its seems more suicidal in my mind for a company like CCP to release a Online FPS considering the amount of competition in that market aswell as CCP not being well known in comparison. Where as EvE has grown so well and lasted so long because its a unique niche style. Same goes for the planned WOD MMO which hits a broader niche market, Personally Iam looking forward more to WoD then iam Dust514. So long as WoD is based more off of VTM and not the emo/homo Twilight type vampire persona. I think the drive for more MMO's is the hope to keep stringing players along on a game that has no end so you keep playing and paying rather than having to constantly 'reinvent the wheel' with a new title every few months (development taking years). They also almost "can't lose" in that they can sell you the mmo game with a month of play time for the price of a game that you own and can actually beat. With an MMO they can still charge you to keep playing whereas the single player game all they can hope is to sell you an expansion or two, likely a year or so later, with most likely less sales than the original title. I doubt it is suicidal to make Dust514, though I personally don't see the 'got to have it' aspect of the game, maybe as time passes more will show how it is 'unique' and 'worth it' to play/try/get. From what I see I'm not the only one questioning it, though here people might have different motives for doing that, I'm so over FPS games and don't see anything 'ground breaking/OMG' about what DUST514 is/will be. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.27 19:10:00 - [150] Originally by: Oorestes Apparently I have a much better understanding of demographics than you do of tact. Setting aside your understanding of "demographics" -you dont even seem to understand the word "appearently." Regardless I hope you enjoy whatever games you chose. Wherever you went - Here you are.
caka ringrawer	Posted - 2010.09.27 19:14:00 - [151] i love eve and,i will also sub to WOD...is there a problem with that? also,can we have rules banning any player created references to Twilight?
Contactman	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:36:00 - [152] What I hope to see from WoD: A sherif that actually kills repeat offenders, masquerade breachers and other riff raff. I want actual consequences. I want to be able to embrace another player. (some kind of buddy system, with ingame consequences) I want realistic populations of vampires. I want an actual gameplay involving getting blood, and competition for same. I want well functioning elders. (NPCs obviously) Generation as we know it, will probably have to go, for balancing purposes. But more than anything, I want a static and unchanging setting where what the players do never will have any "real" impact.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:41:00 - [153] Originally by: Contactman But more than anything, I want a static and unchanging setting where what the players do never will have any "real" impact. ...no Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:44:00 - [154] Originally by: Contactman I want realistic populations of vampires. That wouldn't make it much of an MMO, thoughà Quote: I want well functioning elders. (NPCs obviously) Why NPCs? It's the elders that set the politics and social arenas in motion (although ancillae will be the outwards movers and shakers). Quote: Generation as we know it, will probably have to go, for balancing purposes. ànah. Om nom nom nom. Quote: But more than anything, I want a static and unchanging setting where what the players do never will have any "real" impact. I'm not entirely sure CCP are up to (down to) the task of doing something that boringà What do you mean by "real" impact? If the arenas don't change and there is no back-and-forth between the clans and coteries, it just wouldn't be Vampire. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Michael Scar Caldari Dunder Mifflin Paper Co.	Posted - 2010.09.27 22:37:00 - [155] Its about time someone made a hardcore game for girls.
Baron Wikkheiser TOMFOOLERY.	Posted - 2010.09.27 23:00:00 - [156] Originally by: Steve Thomas Around here there seems to be more Female midevil/renesance fantasy (ala Tolkin/Forgoten relms)LARPA players than male, but only slightly. (about 48% male to 52% Female roughly) Get out more.
Mahakali	Posted - 2010.09.28 10:40:00 - [157] Oh god, I can¦t wait to see some Twilight-worshipping emo teens meeting the usual goon-hardened, jita-scamming, suicide-ganking, pirating midthirties-scumbag community from EVE online. Tears and emorage will be epic!
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.28 10:44:00 - [158] Originally by: Mahakali Oh god, I can¦t wait to see some Twilight-worshipping emo teens meeting the usual goon-hardened, jita-scamming, suicide-ganking, pirating midthirties-scumbag community from EVE online. Tears and emorage will be epic! My thoughts exactly! Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.09.28 13:43:00 - [159] Originally by: Michael Scar Its about time someone made a hardcore game for girls. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Shiho Weitong Caldari Koa Mai Hoku	Posted - 2010.09.28 14:30:00 - [160] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Contactman I want realistic populations of vampires. That wouldn't make it much of an MMO, thoughà Quote: I want well functioning elders. (NPCs obviously) Why NPCs? It's the elders that set the politics and social arenas in motion (although ancillae will be the outwards movers and shakers). Quote: Generation as we know it, will probably have to go, for balancing purposes. ànah. Om nom nom nom. Quote: But more than anything, I want a static and unchanging setting where what the players do never will have any "real" impact. I'm not entirely sure CCP are up to (down to) the task of doing something that boringà What do you mean by "real" impact? If the arenas don't change and there is no back-and-forth between the clans and coteries, it just wouldn't be Vampire. I'll reply with my main... (Stupid boards wouldn't let me change my char last night, so it was time to delete an alt) About realistic populations... If ccp is making a single city game, that would be hard. But with a possibility of hundreds, if not thousands of different cities, it should be possible.. Elders as NPC's. How else? I hope that the players will be playing ancilla, as elder positions could be considered "winning" in VtM. No fun in playing if you already won. And about static settings. Ofcourse the arenas will change and coteries will interact, But when I say real change, I mean being able to throw an entire clan out of a city or killing off half a citys population, shouldn't be in the players power. And to the comment about being static means boring. You clearly haven't read the prime fiction for WoD. VtM is all about being stuck in a static unchanging world, where everything you do already have been planned out by a bigger power. If that goes away, so does the charm of the game IMHO. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
Indimiel	Posted - 2010.09.28 14:46:00 - [161] Originally by: Contactman I want to be able to embrace another player. (some kind of buddy system, with ingame consequences) This would mean that you get to play a vampire, while the other player at least starts as human. Unless you mean either a) you wish to bring a new player to the game by embracing a human to be their character, or b) you just want the /hug emote to be available, this idea seems pretty flawed to me.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.09.28 14:54:00 - [162] Originally by: Indimiel Originally by: Contactman I want to be able to embrace another player. (some kind of buddy system, with ingame consequences) This would mean that you get to play a vampire, while the other player at least starts as human. Unless you mean either a) you wish to bring a new player to the game by embracing a human to be their character, or b) you just want the /hug emote to be available, this idea seems pretty flawed to me. I think you just feel left out, thats ok. /me hugs Indimiel Now we are buddies! please dotn eat me Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Shiho Weitong Caldari Koa Mai Hoku	Posted - 2010.09.28 14:55:00 - [163] Originally by: Indimiel Originally by: Contactman I want to be able to embrace another player. (some kind of buddy system, with ingame consequences) This would mean that you get to play a vampire, while the other player at least starts as human. Unless you mean either a) you wish to bring a new player to the game by embracing a human to be their character, or b) you just want the /hug emote to be available, this idea seems pretty flawed to me. As I wrote... A kind of buddy program, like we have in eve. You invite someone and if they accept and start playing they play as your child. Obviously this shouldn't just be done, as illegal childer will get you killed by the sherif. Maybe it could be some kind of ingame reward from the prince. (Whom I still hope will be an NPC) And LOL at the /hug emote idea... ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
Arakash Mond Amarr Kings In The Back Row	Posted - 2010.09.28 22:40:00 - [164] Saw the short film. I have to agree it seems most likely to apeal to the demographics mentioned in several posts. Some people seemed to take offense to that. I don't know why. Chick flicks are called that for a reason. But this cracked me up. What I hope to see from WoD: Quote: A sherif that actually kills repeat offenders, masquerade breachers and other riff raff. I want actual consequences. I want to be able to embrace another player. (some kind of buddy system, with ingame consequences) I want realistic populations of vampires. I want an actual gameplay involving getting blood, and competition for same. I want well functioning elders. (NPCs obviously) Generation as we know it, will probably have to go, for balancing purposes. But more than anything, I want a static and unchanging setting where what the players do never will have any "real" impact. This is why I would never probably ever pay attention to the game much less pay to play it. I don't understand anything this fellow is talking about but it sounds terribly pretentious and besides, that which I don't understand I hate. But this Quote: Oh god, I can¦t wait to see some Twilight-worshipping emo teens meeting the usual goon-hardened, jita-scamming, suicide-ganking, pirating midthirties-scumbag community from EVE online. Tears and emorage will be epic! Well if this has even a remote possibility of coming true I might be there. Arakash mid thirties scumbag
Tira Mitzu Muse Tech	Posted - 2010.09.29 01:51:00 - [165] Awesome, scratches Assamites tatoo
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.29 02:02:00 - [166] Originally by: Michael Scar Its about time someone made a hardcore game for girls. Damn straight. The female to male ratio in this game might actually be close to even. There will still be plenty of sausage fest games for you to play, so don't fret. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:06:00 - [167] Not all women want to play internet vampires; I sure dont. Nothing against those that do, nothing against CCP for making it; I still prefer my spaceships, tyvm. Dirty Little Slave, reporting for duty!
Captain Torgo The Geedunk Expedition	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:29:00 - [168] Originally by: Ava Starfire Not all women want to play internet vampires; I sure dont. Nothing against those that do, nothing against CCP for making it; I still prefer my spaceships, tyvm. So... Team Edward then?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.29 04:00:00 - [169] Originally by: Ava Starfire Not all women want to play internet vampires; I sure dont. Nothing against those that do, nothing against CCP for making it; I still prefer my spaceships, tyvm. I didn't say all did. It's just something more tend to be interested in. Women who are into internet spaceships, for example, are a very rare breed. You find more in fantasy games like WoW, but it's still not even close to the amount of guys. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.09.29 04:04:00 - [170] Originally by: Ava Starfire Not all women want to play internet vampires; I sure dont. No, but women are 90% to blame for the popularity of the Twilight movies.
Soarer425 Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2010.09.29 20:27:00 - [171] Originally by: Mahakali Oh god, I can¦t wait to see some Twilight-worshipping emo teens meeting the usual goon-hardened, jita-scamming, suicide-ganking, pirating midthirties-scumbag community from EVE online. Tears and emorage will be epic!
Krxon Blade	Posted - 2010.09.29 21:07:00 - [172] 5 days latter, 6 pages thread and this OT post still wasn't moved into more appropriate OOPE subforum. When it suits them CCP breaks own forum rules -- Eve Online related stuff
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.09.29 22:49:00 - [173] Do anyone know if this new onlinegame have got its own website yet? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.09.30 12:04:00 - [174] Originally by: Krxon Blade 5 days latter, 6 pages thread and this OT post still wasn't moved into more appropriate OOPE subforum. When it suits them CCP breaks own forum rules Yeah, the first couple of days I even reported it half a dozen times. Guess the community team has its blinkers on to filter out bluebar threads. If it wasn't a CCP game this thread might actually have the rules apply to it. -----

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