ooOOoo look at that!

Full of great stuff, amitrite?

Evening all:

Just a quick question for the devs....

Are the new mining role rigs inventable? If so, what is the calibration of the T2 version? Which NPC corps will have the
BPO?


Thanks for your time. This patch is a game changer, and I'm excited for it!

-- Etharion

45 mins??

The new mining rigs do not have a material list yet and how are they going to be seeded
on TQ?

Ships that self-destruct whilst under aggression will now generate a regular kill-report.

Are the new mining role rigs inventable? If so, what is the calibration of the T2 version? Which NPC corps will have the
BPO?-- Etharion

[quote=Etharion Calthon]
And will there be a new skill for these rigs? And do they have penalties?

By the way, will the calibration points will be the same on the new barges? (No 2 mining rigs on 1 hulk?)

Added a Settings tab into all Inventory windows that allows players to make all secondary Inventory windows open up in a new window as the default behavior, making it unnecessary to hold the Shift key.

@DEVs in what case do you think the skiff would be usable. It is pointless in high sec, low/null sec it will just get tackled then blown up.

@DEVs in what case do you thiink the skiff would be usable. It is pointless in high sec, low/null sec it will just get tackled then blown up.

Quick question... looking at potential yield and ore hold/cargo hold sizes, am I going to need to fit all of my barges and exhumers with expanded cargo hold mods in order to complete one cycle of anything, or will mining turrets dump their output directly to the ore holds?

@DEVs in what case do you thiink the skiff would be usable. It is pointless in high sec, low/null sec it will just get tackled then blown up.

The mining modules know to use the ore holds.

Would you mind giving the Hulk about 20 more CPU? I'm 21 units short of being able to fit:
High power
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium power
1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
1x Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
1x Survey Scanner II
Low power
2x Mining Laser Upgrade II
Rig Slot
2x Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

if you throw in an extra 20 PWG, I could fit a Medium Shield Extender II instead of one of the shield amps.


(Crosses fingers.)

Drox

Special bonus allows its 1 mining turret to have the mining output of 3 mining turrets

I think that makes it a lot more useful in HS now :P

1x Survey Scanner II

Mining devblog is up take the mining stuff over there

Quick question... looking at potential yield and ore hold/cargo hold sizes, am I going to need to fit all of my barges and exhumers with expanded cargo hold mods in order to complete one cycle of anything, or will mining turrets dump their output directly to the ore holds?

And the lord looked down upon new eden, and he saw that it was very good.

If a ship has an ore bay, incoming ore from modules/drones will always go in to the ore bay.
If a ship does not have an ore bay, incoming ore from modules/drones will always go in to the cargo bay.
If the appropriate bay is full, the module/drone will deactivate as normal, and excess ore is lost.

Would you mind giving the Hulk about 20 more CPU? I'm 21 units short of being able to fit:
High power
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium power
1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
1x Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
1x Survey Scanner II
Low power
2x Mining Laser Upgrade II
Rig Slot
2x Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

if you throw in an extra 20 PWG, I could fit a Medium Shield Extender II instead of one of the shield amps.


(Crosses fingers.)

Drox

You seem to be trying to tank the wrong barge...

Ships that self-destruct will now drop loot in their wreck. This follows the regular chance based loot drop mechanics for items fitted to the ship and carried in the cargo hold.
Ships that self-destruct whilst under aggression will now generate a regular kill-report. In order for this to happen, the ship must have been recently aggressed, and there must be at least one of the aggressors in space in the system at the time of death. The final blow will be awarded to the eligible attacker who inflicted the most damage.

And you can leave you Item hangar open in station and it should stay open. Do this by SHIFT clicking on it.

Also the Primary window has separate in station and in space hangars.

User Interface

In the Standing Transactions window, "Show Details" is no longer available as the functionality was removed long ago.

Added a Settings tab into all Inventory windows that allows players to make all secondary Inventory windows open up in a new window as the default behavior, making it unnecessary to hold the Shift key.

Added a Settings tab into all Inventory windows that allows players to make all secondary Inventory windows open up in a new window as the default behavior, making it unnecessary to hold the Shift key.

I've been asking on the forums all week what is the window CCP classes as the primary UI window and from where is it opened.

@DEVs in what case do you thiink the skiff would be usable. It is pointless in high sec, low/null sec it will just get tackled then blown up.

If the appropriate bay is full, the module/drone will deactivate as normal, and excess ore is lost.

You seem to be trying to tank the wrong barge...

This is true for player set standings to player characters or corporations. Show Details just brings up a blank box.

However, for npc entities, the standings transactions still show details of each transaction.

For example, in my character sheet, I have standings transactions with the Angel Cartel
ID 8940544917 show details brings up "This penalty was incurred for destroying Angel Cartel's Flimsy Pirate Base in Hulm"

There's other ones like "This penalty was incurred for attacking Angel Cartel's Gistii Hijacker in Malukker"

Is all that also being removed ? it's useful to see why something has happened, like losing agent access.

I agree with the above poster.
Why remove "Details" in the Standing Transactions window for npcs. It works on Tranquility now, and now all the standings transactions are going to be a big mystery, because I can't see the reason now.
I can't see any transaction details on Sisi now, and I am really going to miss them.

People are going to end up with -10 in faction standing, and they are not going to see which npcs or structures they shot to get there. It was really useful to see those things when i was a newbie.

Please bring back the Transactions Details window for Standing Transactions for npcs, npc corporations, and factions.

On Sisi, mining crystals apparently got shrunk to 25 m3 apiece. The patch notes make no mention of how big mining crystals will be when the patch drops. This is really crucial information. With only 350 m3 in the Hulk to hold crystals, and with crystals at 25 m3 each, it will only be able to carry enough "ammo" for 4 different ore types (plus a 5th set of crystals in the strip miners). While this is probably enough capacity for high sec mining, it seems very limiting for mining the grav sites in SOV and wormhole space, where there can be as many as 12 (or even more) ore types in a single belt.

I don't really care how big the cargo hold is in the Hulk, but it should be able to carry enough crystals to support a much larger number of ore types. The obvious way to make this happen is to make the mining crystals smaller.

Mission Overlay
See the bookmarks for your current mission in an easy to access panel.
Interact with mission sites, set destination, warp to etc.

Just a quick question for the devs..

Will the caldari ships (frigates mostly) be getting bonuses to rockets and not just missiles?

thanks!

Rockets are small missiles, so missile bonuses will affect them also.

There is now a small icon at the top of a window that open a tick box, if you tick this box then any item you open by right click, select or double click, like your cargo hold, ore bay, cargo containers, will open in individule secondary windows.

Clicking the 'Inventory' icon in the Neocom will open a normal window with a Tree, the secondary windows open with no tree, and limited extra 'fluff'.

On SiSi I could double click up to 6 (the most I had in one place) cargo containers and they would all open in their own window, and remember where they opened next time.

Best fix yet.

On Sisi, mining crystals apparently got shrunk to 25 m3 apiece. The patch notes make no mention of how big mining crystals will be when the patch drops. This is really crucial information. With only 350 m3 in the Hulk to hold crystals, and with crystals at 25 m3 each, it will only be able to carry enough "ammo" for 4 different ore types (plus a 5th set of crystals in the strip miners). While this is probably enough capacity for high sec mining, it seems very limiting for mining the grav sites in SOV and wormhole space, where there can be as many as 12 (or even more) ore types in a single belt.

I don't really care how big the cargo hold is in the Hulk, but it should be able to carry enough crystals to support a much larger number of ore types. The obvious way to make this happen is to make the mining crystals smaller.

So... a Skiff with its one 'supercharged' strip miner will roughly pull in as much ore as a Hulk with its three strip miners.

Question: will mining crystals used by the Skiff and Procurer wear down 3 times faster than mining crystals used by the Hulk and Covetor? Or 1.5 times faster than crystals used by the Retriever and Mackinaw? That would be fair.

I may have missed it, but in a Corp Mining OP, I carry a full complement of T2 crystals for the type of rock I will encounter. I carry spare sets for used ones. A cargohold of that size will prevent you from carrying much of anything.

Mining Laser Crystal size should be reduced from 50 m3 to 5m3 to allow a sufficent number to be carried in the now very small cargo bay.

Actually, that's a damn fine idea.

Ships that self-destruct whilst under aggression will now generate a regular kill-report. In order for this to happen, the ship must have been recently aggressed, and there must be at least one of the aggressors in space in the system at the time of death. The final blow will be awarded to the eligible attacker who inflicted the most damage.

Fixed a delay experienced when attempting to deploy probes or bombs directly after coming out of warp.

Cloaked Ships will no longer be uncloaked by invisible Cosmic Signature and Cosmic Anomaly beacons

Technetium nerf?

This is getting more ret@rded patch after patch...

Fixed an issue where the wrong amount of dungeons were spawning in the drone regions in relation to pirate detection arrays.

Welcome to the party. But the answer is no. They honestly expect you to get a second account to haul crystals out in an industrial. Park your Hulk. You won't be needing it anymore.

anyone worked out if it's better to mine ice in a hulk or mack yet ??
other than hold/ore space at first glance a hulk wins ..
4%reduction per lvl +12%red x3 harvesters ..
1%reduction +12%red x2 harvesters (seeing as they lost there 100% bonus )

plus your t2 mods in lows ..

anyone want to buy 6 macks ..lol

The Mackinaw and Hulk cargo bay sizes have been swapped by accident by the looks of it. The hulk has the much smaller bay, yet has three strip mining turrets, versus only two on the Mackinaw.

Surely this has been a mistake.

Any body know what the true mack ore bay will be i have ssen 3 diffrent number and i would like to know the true ammount also it the ore bay size able to be increased in size in anyway ---- noob questions i know but i wanted to ask

There is now a small icon at the top of a window that open a tick box, if you tick this box then any item you open by right click, select or double click, like your cargo hold, ore bay, cargo containers, will open in individule secondary windows.

Clicking the 'Inventory' icon in the Neocom will open a normal window with a Tree, the secondary windows open with no tree, and limited extra 'fluff'.

On SiSi I could double click up to 6 (the most I had in one place) cargo containers and they would all open in their own window, and remember where they opened next time.

Best fix yet.

Lordy, I hope that we can turn off the weapons meta data contextual pop-up windows. The last thing that I need are big obstructions to clicking and r-clicking in the heat of battle.

The patch notes are correct. Mackinaw will have a 28.000 m3 ore hold and a 5% bonus per level of Mining Barge skill to a total of 35.000 m3.

The Orca in your fleet is the ore bay for your Hulk. As intended - see the dev blogs.

Did the defense stats on the hulk and mac change from last week.?

The last patch changes quite a few things, I noticed the ore holds all got a little buff, making the hulk viable, crystals sized have been reduced to 15 m3 for T1 and 25 m3 for T2.

At the same time the cargo hold of it seem only the hulk had been reduced IIRC from 500 m3 to 350 m3. That of the Mackinaw which was before 2/3rd the size (same storage space per turret) as hulk has been increased instead.

I did not a change in defense on the test ships i have fitted, well if its there, it wasn't huge else I would have noticed :).

There was a guy on the Singularity channel that claimed a ~50% nerf from what he had fitted before.

As for the unfilted bug report . Posting it here is the right thing to do or privite convo a ISD BH ie bug hunter and ask them to screen and make a defect out of it.

I got some "easy fix" bugs they could fix to but they have sat at the defect stage for a while as the devs have more important things to fix.

@DEVs in what case do you thiink the skiff would be usable. It is pointless in high sec, low/null sec it will just get tackled then blown up.

I'm sorry dude. I am sure CCP will jump right on that and make a mining barge that is invincible. Come on seriously? Your complaint is that a ship will just get tackled and blown up? Of course it will, that is how you kill ships in EvE. The benefit to the skiff is that it can survive much longer tackled and under fire. giving your PvP buddies more time to get to you and save your dumb@$$. I am a vet miner and the new mining barges are great. The skiff has a great place in null. In highsec, it has less appeal only because of a lower mining yield and you don't need that much EHP to mine in highsec. So for the solo miner in highsec I would recommend the Mack. unless you are in a mining op, then go with a hulk, but make sure you have an interceptor or two protecting the fleet

Here is the secret to mining without losing a ship....
1. Fit at the very least a moderate tank (1-2 medium shield extender(s); 1-2 adaptive invuls; small-medium Shield Boost PG/CPU dependent.

2. stay aligned to a station/safe spot/gate

3.Stay aware of what is around you!

4. PLAN AHEAD! So that every pilot knows what to do, when, and plans A, B, and C.

Do that and you will never lose a mining barge.

I have only lost 2 barges/exhumers in ~ the last year

I havent tried it myself, but I assume that you still have to open the goddamn tree, and scroll down to the containers you had previously marked, in order for them to open in their own window ?

If so, the only improvement is that you don't have to hold shift. Why not just bring back the ships & items buttons and ALL the rt-click facility of the old system. Its really not that hard. Seriously.



Bring back the original buttons ffs

Can't believe you are going ahead with that alchemy bullshit. You suck CCP

"Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war."

OOOH. Skill point reimbursement.. Sweet thanks CCP.

The first time you open your inventory after the patch... yes you will have to open the tree.

However, once you open individual windows. The settings will be saved and will automatically default to multiple windows. You will have to enable this setting in your Uni.Inv after the patch.

I didn't realize they were used for NPC standings. I'll fix it as soon as I can on Tuesday (Monday is holiday).

This appears to be on fixed on singularity now, but I have just noticed that the Transaction Details window on Security Status changes is missing too.
When i right click on tranquility i can select Details to get a Transaction Details window, and on Singularity I get nothing !

The transaction details can look like
This standing change was granted by CONCORD as an award for actions performed against Serpentis

I created bug report 142088 for this

I messed up, I didn't realize they were used for NPC standings. I'll fix it as soon as I can on Tuesday (Monday is holiday). If you'd file a bug report it would speed up the process (F12 - bug report). Thanks!

Good luck in killing all the (market) Bots, and hope to see anyone from CCP in a targetable ship during a live event soonGäó

Added a Settings tab into all Inventory windows that allows players to make all secondary Inventory windows open up in a new window as the default behavior, making it unnecessary to hold the Shift key.

This. These pop-ups cover half of your module icons sometimes.

We HAVE to be able to turn these off, either in the settings menu or an icon/hotkey to toggle them on/off.

im more intrested in knowing that if i have to train for specific race BC and destroyers is the price on tehre skill books going to be decreased to 1/4 of what the skill is now or are we going to have to pay 4 times as much now to fly those ships

All cyno alts are rejoicing that the increased powergrid on noob ships means that Micro Auxiliary Power Cores are no longer needed to add sufficient powergrid to fit a Cynosural Field Generator...

... but Amarr cyno alts are feeling discriminated against, since their racial noob ship has lost 5m3 cargo capacity (others races have stayed the same or increased) meaning they can no longer fit the 300 liquid ozone to light a cyno with Cynosural Field Theory IV, without fitting an expanded cargo hold.

Pretty please, can the Impairor stay at 120m3 cargo capacity?

THE HULK HAS
Ore hold capacity: 8500
Gùª Cargo capacity: 350
WTF come on with rigs I got 17k cargo space why so low???????
will the rigs expand the ore hold ????

The Rigs will not expand the ore hold.

The Hulk is now designed to be used in fleet environments with Hauler support.

and just like that the value of the hulk has dropped off a cliff
long live the retty!!!

This behavior is demonstrable on Singularity?

I disagree.

The hulk is still the best thing to use if you want max yield. Most people using Hulks as a career are using them in a gang with an Orca or hauler. For them not much will change except they'll be mining even more.

And the lord looked down upon new eden, and he saw that it was very good.

This has been on Tranq for at least a month

Not complaining... had the usual Nyx turd pilot trying to self destruct and popped when in structure. We were quite chuffed with a loot drop and a KM.

Didn't happen on a proteus just 4 days ago... :/

dont see how we will be mining more seen that the ore yield stays the same. except for the ice that is

Could someone please elaborate on this? Is it referring to anoms or complexes?

CCP.

It would be nice if submitted bug reports for bugs easily fixed before the patch would actually get attention and not left to look at after the patch or maybe never. As it is, after two full workdays days, plus the weekend days, the bug 141969 hasn't even been looked at and is still in the status 'Not filtered'.

So I am pretty sure this bug will hit TQ on patch roll out and it will be one of those things people it affects will find annoying.

This won't be the only issue, nor the most severe, but at least within two workdays feedback from a small test server should have been looked at and not sitting on some unread pile on a digital desk. This way all the fury you will read on forums after the patch is likely deserved and it is not motivating any bug reporter at all to file more reports if they feel it isn't looked at anyway! Let alone test things that go beyond their own direct market manipulation advantage that comes with changes.

This has been a bad experience on top of a lot of bad experiences with regard to CCP paying attention and listen to player input.

Hi guys,

i have a question. In the Patch under Explo. & Deadsp. there is written: "Cloaked Ships will no longer be uncloaked by invisible Cosmic Signature and Cosmic Anomaly beacons".

Now the Interesting question is, DOES THAT COUNT FOR WORMHOLES ASWELL???

This has been on Tranq for at least a month

Not complaining... had the usual Nyx turd pilot trying to self destruct and popped when in structure. We were quite chuffed with a loot drop and a KM.

O'h look, the launcher has failed yet again and has stalled on 80% 65.77/109.54 MB. What a shock.
Can someone link the URL for the direct patch download for me to import it please, I can't find the old thread that CCP kept updating with direct downloads.

You will now have the option to Warp Squad to other distances for bookmarks

o god please why..... now on topic

Good patch love to see the change allot of bug fixs

It's been kinda-sorta working on TQ (largely by accident) for a month After 1.2 it should be happening consistently in a supported manner.

A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!

Zilero, please.

If you have the money for fitting a cyno ship and buying the fuel, you have the money for a hauler frigate too. how much could it cost? 500k isk?

You're missing the point. Of all the rookie ships, why should *only* the Amarr one not be able to do it?

You're missing the point. Of all the rookie ships, why should *only* the Amarr one not be able to do it?

I can skill the frigate, but transporting a ship to a remote location takes up much more cargo space than just transporting a cyno module.

Before the patch, in order to use a rookie ship as a cyno ship you needed:

1x Cyno module
1x Micro Aux module

Cyno IV skill.

After the patch, caldari + minmatar + gallente needs:

1x cyno module

Cyno IV skill.

Whereas the amarr now needs:

1x cyno module
1x cargohold expander (does not matter which, T1 is fine).

Cyno IV skill.



Do you see the problem now?

I am telling you that AMARR chars now need to carry something extra which the gallente, caldari and minmatar do NOT need to.

It is not a change from before in terms of mods needed, but somehow the other races are now different in their needs making it... idiotic.

A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!

I messed up, I didn't realize they were used for NPC standings. I'll fix it as soon as I can on Tuesday (Monday is holiday). If you'd file a bug report it would speed up the process (F12 - bug report). Thanks!

A better question is "why should rookie ships be usable as cyno beacons?". None of them should have the cargo space to run a cyno.

Did I miss something? Where are the new Mining (ORE) Frigs?

That I can't answer, but since it is possible why was amarr rookie ships nerfed and not the others? :S

Where they not talking about releasing them on this patch? CCP, when will they be seeded?

Oh, and FWIW, your import patch BS doesn't work either. Thanks for the craptastic launcher. I will be back on every big patch to **** and moan about this - just sayin'.

So what changes have been made to the spawning of anomalies in nullsec? I've been scanning down a system in Provi now for a few minutes too many waiting for any of the hubs to respawn and none of them have, there hasn't been any listed for some time now.

Lordy, I hope that we can turn off the weapons meta data contextual pop-up windows. The last thing that I need are big obstructions to clicking and r-clicking in the heat of battle.

Great, but again: you're placing stuff in the region where most players keep their localchat. Which is disappointing.

At this point the only thing that really concerns me about the changes is how this is going to affect the usage of low slots on mining barges and exhumers. Unless expanded cargohold modules are updated to have even just a minimal impact (say 5%) on ore holds they are going to be rendered virtually if not absolutely useless on any and all non-combat mining ships. Likewise the overall reduction in hull HP values, despite the overal increase in armor and shield HP values, makes me wonder just how useful damage controls will be for increasing EHP, as a percentage and not an absolute value, when compared to current numbers.

Frankly, I don't even understand why these ships have such low hull HP values given that ORE ships all currently favor Hull as the HP sink of choice. Does this herald a change to all ORE ships that will result in, for example, the orca's hull HP being reduced while it sees a significant increase in armor and shield HP values or is this just a somewhat arbitrary change in light of "standard" ORE ship design?



Well, presuming that the mining turret statements are typos the skiff and procurer will sit there, mining around as much as a covetor with mining barge 2 (which yes, I know, is technically impossible) would right now and being very, very hard to suicide gank while packing more cargo into it than it currently can now.



Why isn't the overload automatically transferred? Given how much the standard cargo bays were nerfed this would have been a nice bone to toss ore miners.

Also have ice harvesters been fixed so that they no longer shut down prematurely compared to mining lasers and strip miners? It gets pretty annoying fairly fast to have, for example, an 8km3 cargo mackinaw and have your harvesters shut down after just two cycles if you don't dump your cargo between cycles while having 9km3 cargo allows the harvesters to function just fine and continue to initate potential "partial cargo" pulls.



No, he isn't. He's just min-max'ing. This is EVE after all. If you aren't min-max'ing you're playing Hello Kitty Online.

_____

Insofar as the proposed/intended changes to the standings transactions window go, I have to agree that removing information from the players' hands, even if it's just relating to NPC corporations, is a bad move until or unless the tooltips for the transactions window itself can pick up the slack by displaying more, and more accurate, infomration regarding what caused the transaction in question.

Edit: On a secondary note these changes to the inventory UI will be somewhat underwhelming until I can drag/drop fitted modules onto the ship hangar to have them transferred to my item hangar again, double-clicking on ships in the ship hangar opens them up instead of making them my active ship again, and I can stop worrying about the ship hangar section in the list view pane automatically expanding any time it feels like it regardless of whether or not I want it expanded. Ever.

Punkturis trolls!!

She knows the process will take several weeks.