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Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 13:55:00 - [31] I would at least like a message though to at least the alliance executor or the ceo's saying why the GM's interfered in the first place. Something more transparent then an absent minded dec refund. Originally by: The PitBoss Edited by: The PitBoss on 15/11/2010 13:43:45 Please contact me in-game and let me know what happens If it turns out GMs are hand holding again .. I'll offer my services for free for a couple weeks on them I'm pretty sure Kuroda or Inev will talk to you about this at one point or another, as it stands right now, -FA- will be dec'd for the next several weeks at least.
seany1212 The Scowling Men	Posted - 2010.11.15 14:24:00 - [32] This reeks of fishiness, CCP removed the TCUs because sovereignity was being intentionally taken without having to worry about anyone being able to stop it due to the extended downtime, war decs however in my opinion are completely different, going through without being able to be interferred with. The only thing that -FA- missed out on due to it was being able to move assets around eve to there advantage. I hope this GM business is cleared up instead of being swept under the covers You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:14:00 - [33] Originally by: seany1212 This reeks of fishiness, CCP removed the TCUs because sovereignity was being intentionally taken without having to worry about anyone being able to stop it due to the extended downtime, war decs however in my opinion are completely different, going through without being able to be interferred with. The only thing that -FA- missed out on due to it was being able to move assets around eve to there advantage. I hope this GM business is cleared up instead of being swept under the covers Well your right that anything unexplained is fishy - you are wrong otherwise. Its is analogous to exploiting downtime to establish sovereignty. Both are PVP situations where downtime is being used to limit the normal responses an opponent would be allowed to use. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Inevitability Caldari Death By Association Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Inevitability on 15/11/2010 15:23:07 Originally by: The PitBoss Edited by: The PitBoss on 15/11/2010 13:43:45 Please contact me in-game and let me know what happens If it turns out GMs are hand holding again .. I'll offer my services for free for a couple weeks on them We'll be in touch Pit. Thanks for the support. The bottom line is, Fatal Ascension had plenty of notice. The corporation we were originally at war with, was at war for five full days before they joined FA. FA knew going into this that CONCORD would upgrade this war to an alliance vs. alliance fight as soon as they accepted Militaris Industries into their ranks. They had days of notice... There was no exploit used, we were at war days before the downtime happened. Ladies and Gentlemen, we're not looking for handouts here. We simply want an answer. If in fact there was a GM who stepped in and comitted an illegal intervention here, we want to see that GM punished accordingly and an explanation given. I can speak for all of my alliance mates when I say we love this game. We support it 100% and enjoy the interactive sandbox it gives us. We don't want to see this game go down the drain due to unfair practices by the GM team. From the looks of it, many of you are the same way. We'll keep you updated as long as we can. If the GM's lock this thread, so be it. Thanks for the info of who to contact and escalate this to.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: seany1212 This reeks of fishiness, CCP removed the TCUs because sovereignity was being intentionally taken without having to worry about anyone being able to stop it due to the extended downtime, war decs however in my opinion are completely different, going through without being able to be interferred with. The only thing that -FA- missed out on due to it was being able to move assets around eve to there advantage. I hope this GM business is cleared up instead of being swept under the covers Well your right that anything unexplained is fishy - you are wrong otherwise. Its is analogous to exploiting downtime to establish sovereignty. Both are PVP situations where downtime is being used to limit the normal responses an opponent would be allowed to use. For the record, this dec went live a week before, and was extended through the extended downtime, it wasn't pushed through during/before the downtime with any anticipation of 'gaining' an advantage. The situation is, we we're to disrupt their logistics, and deny them access to major trade hubs; the fact that they were able to take SOV in several systems overnight, after a mysterious dec retraction all leaves us rather suspicious. If we would have done something wrong I'm sure we would have heard from the GM's by now. This type of behavior from a GM abusing his powers (clarify: we're not pointing fingers OR accusing anyone) is a smack in the face to all the reputable Mercs in New Eden.
Aeir Myiez	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:24:00 - [36] I can tell you why. 1 member of MI is suspected as being a CCP Dev. Even their own corpies suspect this.
Lubomir Penev Sausages of Truth	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Aeir Myiez I can tell you why. 1 member of MI is suspected as being a CCP Dev. Even their own corpies suspect this. Who is MI and how are they related to this story?
Aeir Myiez	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Aeir Myiez I can tell you why. 1 member of MI is suspected as being a CCP Dev. Even their own corpies suspect this. Who is MI and how are they related to this story? You need to read closer.
Artemis97 Caldari SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:54:00 - [39] FREE KARTTOON!!! amidoinitrite
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Aeir Myiez I can tell you why. 1 member of MI is suspected as being a CCP Dev. Even their own corpies suspect this. I kinda doubt that if that was true, he would be that stupid. After all the noise from the past and stuff...
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.11.15 19:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Aeir Myiez I can tell you why. 1 member of MI is suspected as being a CCP Dev. Even their own corpies suspect this. I kinda doubt that if that was true, he would be that stupid. After all the noise from the past and stuff... don't underestimate stupidity. its frightening how stupid some people are. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Aeir Myiez I can tell you why. 1 member of MI is suspected as being a CCP Dev. Even their own corpies suspect this. Who is MI and how are they related to this story? Militaris Industries, they joined FA a few days into the Dec, and they are the central point for all this drama.

CCP Morpheus Minmatar C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:42:00 - [43] Hi, I'm CCP Morpheus, Internal Affairs Specialist at CCP. I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case. I can't go into more detail on a public forum, but the affected parties will have their concerns addressed via petitions. A Senior GM will be replying to your CEO's petition as soon as possible. Internal Affairs is reachable by email at "[email protected]". Best regards, CCP Morpheus


CCP Morpheus Minmatar C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 15/11/2010 05:13:55 CCP Arkanon Director of Internal Affairs CCP Morpheus Internal Affairs Agent Just incase you were not awhere make sure you EVE Mail these two. They are the Internal Affairs Devs at CCP. One Question: Were you using any kind of new unheard of tactic that could be deamed a future exploit? I know it is unlikely do too the weird GM response but I thought I sould mention it. First Test and now this... Very disconcerting. Hi, Thanks for spreading the word! We rarely use EVEMail on our developer characters, please contact us through email at "[email protected]" instead. Regards, CCP Morpheus

Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:57:00 - [45] Care to comment on the whole war decs before extended downtime thing CCP Morpheus? Oh man this sounds really, really juicy now. I must know all the drama, when I get home from work I better see a nice thread on shc. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:59:00 - [46] Edited by: thelung187 on 15/11/2010 21:00:25 Originally by: Vaal Erit Care to comment on the whole war decs before extended downtime thing CCP Morpheus? Oh man this sounds really, really juicy now. I must know all the drama, when I get home from work I better see a nice thread on shc. If someone would be so kind as to post the final correspondence on a proper forum (SHC, kugu, etc), that would be superb. Originally by: CCP Morpheus I can't go into more detail on a public forum, but the affected parties will have their concerns addressed Yes, because heaven forbid anyone with blue/red next to their name provide situational clarity to the community at large. I can't wait to read the applied rationale here
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:11:00 - [47] Originally by: thelung187 Yes, because heaven forbid anyone with blue/red next to their name provide situational clarity to the community at large. I can't wait to read the applied rationale here I am sure it is a CRAZY CONSPIRACY OH MY GOD!!!!!!!
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:16:00 - [48] Originally by: CCP Morpheus Hi, I'm CCP Morpheus, Internal Affairs Specialist at CCP. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case. Insert vast disappointment here... looking forward to finding out what we did wrong.
Inevitability Caldari Death By Association Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:18:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Morpheus Hi, I'm CCP Morpheus, Internal Affairs Specialist at CCP. I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case. Really???
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Pennwisedom Originally by: thelung187 Yes, because heaven forbid anyone with blue/red next to their name provide situational clarity to the community at large. I can't wait to read the applied rationale here I am sure it is a CRAZY CONSPIRACY OH MY GOD!!!!!!! You missed the implication entirely. The point isn't that there's some gargantuan-grassyknoll-tinfoilery going on here, but rather the transparency that's been so highly flaunted by CCP en masse continues to be nothing more than lip service to the player/customer base.
Jones Bones Heretic Army	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:38:00 - [51] LOL wardec PVP is so dramatic.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:49:00 - [52] Sounds like bullshi+ to me.

CCP Morpheus Minmatar C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Vaal Erit Care to comment on the whole war decs before extended downtime thing CCP Morpheus? The Internal Affairs department deals mainly with issues regarding CCP staff and their in-game conduct, I'm the wrong person to comment on that matter.

Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:03:00 - [54] Originally by: CCP Morpheus The Internal Affairs department deals mainly with issues regarding CCP staff and their in-game conduct, I'm the wrong person to comment on that matter. Will there be a Dev Post or Blog explaining what happened and how it can be avoided. I never heard of a GM invalidating an war for any reason. It would be know exactly what happened to cause this so it doesn't happen again. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Rommell Drako	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:06:00 - [55] Edited by: Rommell Drako on 15/11/2010 22:07:10 CCP Morpheus *The Internal Affairs department deals mainly with issues regarding CCP staff and their in-game conduct, I'm the wrong person to comment on that matter.* Can you tell us who we should talk to? We have tried conventional methods and you have been the first actual response that we were given with anyform of an attempt to respond. We are also still awaiting a legit response with evidence and rulings on anything that is being claimed.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:26:00 - [56] So- the long and short of our GM Response was... apparently a GM didn't understand that a corporation that we're at war with, joins an alliance, thus making the alliance a wartarget. Without a 24 hour cooldown. So- now, they are going to refund everything lost on both sides, so we get 4 random ships back, and they get all 45 of theirs back...Linkage. We got an apology.....
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:31:00 - [57] Edited by: knickersoffalot on 15/11/2010 22:33:04 Originally by: Aerion Va'rr So- the long and short of our GM Response was... apparently a GM didn't understand that a corporation that we're at war with, joins an alliance, thus making the alliance a wartarget. Without a 24 hour cooldown. So- now, they are going to refund everything lost on both sides, so we get 4 random ships back, and they get all 45 of theirs back...Linkage. We got an apology..... Thats fkin bullshi+ you telling me a GM does not have the basic knowledge of game mechanics!!!!!!! Is it just me that finds that a little offish?
Rommell Drako	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:37:00 - [58] Edited by: Rommell Drako on 15/11/2010 22:40:03 quote=CCP Morpheus]Hi, I'm CCP Morpheus, Internal Affairs Specialist at CCP. I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case. I can't go into more detail on a public forum, but the affected parties will have their concerns addressed via petitions. A Senior GM will be replying to your CEO's petition as soon as possible. Internal Affairs is reachable by email at "[email protected]". Best regards, CCP Morpheus We got a we messed up sorry note... Please look into the subject before you post in local forums about it. Try to not make yourself look good and do the job given to you. P.S. Thanks for giving FA their 1.12 bil back and our 0.22 bil back with retracting the war we declared. Sounds like a quality sorry note.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Aerion Va'rr So- the long and short of our GM Response was... apparently a GM didn't understand that a corporation that we're at war with, joins an alliance, thus making the alliance a wartarget. Without a 24 hour cooldown. So- now, they are going to refund everything lost on both sides, so we get 4 random ships back, and they get all 45 of theirs back...Linkage. We got an apology..... wait what.... eh? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Jack Dant Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Aerion Va'rr So- the long and short of our GM Response was... apparently a GM didn't understand that a corporation that we're at war with, joins an alliance, thus making the alliance a wartarget. Without a 24 hour cooldown. That's absurd. The mechanics of joining an alliance with an active war are well known, and have been often been used by the targets to trap the wardeccers. I myself have seen this happen many, many times over the last two years. Joining an alliance has a 24 hour delay anyway, during which the alliance leadership knows a war is incoming and can warn their members. But even if this really merited GM action, what is the sense in cancelling the war after the 24 hour warning period has passed. Or reinbursing losses after that time? It only creates an easy way out for decced corps: join an alliance, petition, and get the war cancelled.

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