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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.11.17 19:29:00 -
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EVElopedia says "Corporations not currently engaged in any war can apply to join an Alliance."
If that is the "bug" in question, shouldn't the corp have been ejected from the Alliance instead of the war being cancelled?
Documentation of "the rules" in this game sux. It almost makes me feel sorry for the GMs.
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.17 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant EVElopedia says "Corporations not currently engaged in any war can apply to join an Alliance."
If that is the "bug" in question, shouldn't the corp have been ejected from the Alliance instead of the war being cancelled?
Documentation of "the rules" in this game sux. It almost makes me feel sorry for the GMs.
Corporations with outgoing wardec's can't join an alliance, Corporations with incoming wardec's can join alliances; which they typically do readily in an attempt to de-rail would be aggressors (that typically rejoice in the newly increase in flashys.)
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.17 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul You're simply preying on the stupid of my alliance. And every alliance has some stupid in it.
If you or your alliance do want a fight, come for it, we welcome you.
I bet they won`t have much trubble to deal with your Mining Carriers
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2010.11.17 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Zagdul You're simply preying on the stupid of my alliance. And every alliance has some stupid in it.
If you or your alliance do want a fight, come for it, we welcome you.
I bet they won`t have much trubble to deal with your Mining Carriers
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:28:00 -
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wow, so it was all just a big pile of errors and misinterpretations. Surely hope so such thing won't happen again. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Zagdul You're simply preying on the stupid of my alliance. And every alliance has some stupid in it.
If you or your alliance do want a fight, come for it, we welcome you.
I bet they won`t have much trubble to deal with your Mining Carriers
I'd heard stories of such things, but omg....
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:34:00 -
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GM Lelouch posted exactly what needed to be posted. Transparency for this issue: Achieved. Thank you, CCP. Now go update the training for your GMs! ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears |
Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.11.17 21:41:00 -
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Thank you, GM Lelouch, for a very welcome and thorough explanation and for your communications with the CSM. ♥
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.11.17 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet GM Lelouch posted exactly what needed to be posted. Transparency for this issue: Achieved. Thank you, CCP. Now go update the training for your GMs!
And don't forget to update EVElopedia. |
podlol
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Posted - 2010.11.17 22:33:00 -
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THANK YOU CCP/CSM/IA/EVERYONE. THE COMMUNITY IS HAPPY AND THANKFUL FOR YOUR OPENNESS. THANK YOU.
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Antonius Lee
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Posted - 2010.11.17 22:38:00 -
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GM Lelouch has responded to all of the concerns I had regarding this situation. I'd like to thank you once again for providing all of us with some welcome clarity.
GM Lelouch apology best apology.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2010.11.17 23:00:00 -
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Nice disclosure by GM Lelouch but,
Originally by: GM Lelouch We have taken measures internally to ensure that all current and future GMs are familiar with in-game war mechanics as well as the policy listed above and we hope that these mistakes will not repeat themselves.
It's quite clear from reading several petition responses on other sites that war mechanics are not the only area GM's are unfamiliar with.
I hope these measures taken, prevent the appointment of unqualified GMs to positions of responsibility across the board. Good time to have a little review.
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Rheige Bladewhisper
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Posted - 2010.11.17 23:39:00 -
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Firstly, thank you very much for stepping up and putting this reply out. Admitting how badly the GMs in question screwed up is helpful as far as transparency... it is certainly far more helpful then just trying to keep utterly quiet about it.
As for the failure itself... There seems to be a recent string of GM actions where they have not taken their due diligence as far as the game goes. In this case, it led to a pretty colossal series of screweups. The people that caused this need more then just a retraining as far as wardecs, they need a basic retraining in dealing with the game itself.
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Raddick Tseng
Dark Shadow Industries Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.17 23:54:00 -
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When a corp's application is accepted by the alliance executor the corp enters a 24hr waiting period before becoming a part of an alliance. When a corpÆs application with an active war is accepted, send the alliance a 24hr war notice.
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Velocity Prime
Misfit Toys
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:05:00 -
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CCP, please give me a job. I could GM circles around your current staff.
For real.
We're recruiting! Visit my blog. |
Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime CCP, please give me a job. I could GM circles around your current staff.
For real.
I fully endorse this message.
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Thronde
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:41:00 -
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Props to Lelouch for the transparency, as has been said.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:45:00 -
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The GM's mistake here was 100% understandable...
It was probably the first time in his career that a 0.0 alliance petitioned because they got war decked. Hell, it might have been the first time that he had seen ANYONE -- including noob corps -- petition because they got decked. It's no wonder they did not know what to do.
And as for the alliance that petitioned....
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Quendishir
Caldari The Immortal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers The GM's mistake here was 100% understandable...
It was probably the first time in his career that a 0.0 alliance petitioned because they got war decked. Hell, it might have been the first time that he had seen ANYONE -- including noob corps -- petition because they got decked. It's no wonder they did not know what to do.
And as for the alliance that petitioned....
It's not understandable. I've been playing for six months and even I understand how the concepts of war decs work. I understood it two months into the game! If you're saying that it's understandable for someone who is paid to know this to not know the rules and regulations, then somethin is wrong on your end. =/
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
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Posted - 2010.11.18 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: GM Lelouch
Honest and in depth explanation
Clone this guy, and get them all clones a raise.
Originally by: GM Lelouch
There are no indications that the petition filed by Fatal Ascension was created with malicious intent.
And there cannot be, however, the limited game mechanics knowledge of the first line GM often means you are better of playing the lottery and tell the truth but not all of it. Many people admit at least privately petitioning stuff they know went by the book in the hope of a junior GM getting fooled...
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.18 01:51:00 -
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Thank you for the statement. Do you believe that the internal records system needs to be altered, or was the information present, but overlooked?
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.11.18 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime CCP, please give me a job. I could GM circles around your current staff.
This. The lower level GMs real seem to be lacking in regards of game knowledge. Should probably force them to play all aspects of the game more often.
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Gregor Vernof
Voodoo Tactical Ghost Syndicate.
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Posted - 2010.11.18 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Quendishir
Originally by: OT Smithers The GM's mistake here was 100% understandable...
It was probably the first time in his career that a 0.0 alliance petitioned because they got war decked. Hell, it might have been the first time that he had seen ANYONE -- including noob corps -- petition because they got decked. It's no wonder they did not know what to do.
And as for the alliance that petitioned....
"It's not understandable. I've been playing for six months and even I understand how the concepts of war decs work. I understood it two months into the game! If you're saying that it's understandable for someone who is paid to know this to not know the rules and regulations, then somethin is wrong on your end. =/"
Translation:
Quote: Hi, am still fairly new to EVE and definitely the C&P forums. I have yet to train up "Written Sarcasm" to a workable level and missed your intent. Once pointed out to me I became horribly embarrassed and will stop posting until such time I train up the required skills. I have immediately switched my training queue to reflect this training necessary and should be finished with Written Sarcasm IV in 5 days. Thank you for your patience.
Ah there ya go, much better.
To CCP I'd like to say a amazed thank you for the apology and transparent explanation of the failure. I can only hope that your GM re-training accomplishes the changes we all (CCP and players) desire for the continued excellence of the game.
To the Leadership of FA I'd like to ask you to provide better guidance for your membership, training for them to make better EVE players and stop being so foolish in Empire (remember no place is EVE is safe, and a gag order on your idiot trolls found in this thread. I am sure if you accomplish nothing but the last request you will have increased the quality of EVE Online ten fold single-handedly.
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Aiko Zan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:06:00 -
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I have been following this thread eagerly awaiting an outcome. Glad to see CCP's transparency and openness on the matter, Much appreciated!
This does show quite a few flaws with the GM department though. Not just the obvious GM and SENIOR GM mistakes, really a SENIOR GM, really!?! And of course this highlights the already known ****ty logging system, "our logs show nothing". If a petition is escalated from a GM to a senior GM why is the senior GM not reviewing the work done by the lesser experienced GM? They just assume that their investigation was done correctly? If the GMs involved thought that a bug had made it so the war notification was postponed for 5 days would you not expect FA to be petitioning as to why they are being killed by war targets in high-sec when there is no war being shown against their alliance? Why wasn't Violent Intent contacted on the matter before a decision was made? To get both sides of the story. Why did it take 4 days for FA's petition to get a resolution? Is this type of petition not a high priority? Why did it take over 24 hours after Violent Intent's petition to decide to reopen the original investigation? I don't expect a GM response but, i sure hope you are asking yourselves, CCP, these questions internally. |
Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 18/11/2010 04:18:30 Thank you, CCP, for the in-depth response.
Although we certainly expect competency from our GMs, even more so we desire maturity. Having the ability to communicate openly with us and accept responsibility and accountability where it is due propels you to the forefront of games' PR departments.
I would much prefer a group of designers and admins who weren't perfect but whom I could work with, than competent but snooty unapproachables. Thank you for being the former.
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Kruntologist
The Krovicants
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 18/11/2010 04:18:30 Thank you, CCP, for the in-depth response.
Although we certainly expect competency from our GMs, even more so we desire maturity. Having the ability to communicate openly with us and accept responsibility and accountability where it is due propels you to the forefront of games' PR departments.
I would much prefer a group of designers and admins who weren't perfect but whom I could work with, than competent but snooty unapproachables. Thank you for being the former.
Amen. Please, CCP, learn from how this debacle was handled and reap the goodwill of the players. Continue your past ham-fisted ignoring of such debacles and earn our contempt..
(Seriosly, though, thanks for handling this like mature adults)
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Aphalionex
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Aphalionex on 18/11/2010 04:50:50 We accept your apology.
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Lex Lemon
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:49:00 -
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GM Lelouch,
Thank you for this apology. It is nice to finally get an apology for the removal of TEST TCUs.
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:52:00 -
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Quote: I'd like to extend my most sincere apologies on behalf of the whole GM team for these mistakes on our part and I hope that the measures we've taken and are planning to take in response to this will prevent similar mistakes from happening in the future.
Thank you for the appology, we too are very sorry about the recent loss of our TCUs
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Iniquita
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:55:00 -
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This direct and honest apology about the destruction of Test Alliance TCU's is greatly appreciated.
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