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Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.11.17 02:39:00 - [181] Just watched "Another Perfect World. In Search of Virtual Paradise" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1441240/ on National TV 2 hours ago and now Im reading this. I highly recommend that movie to people wondering about CCP stance on meddling in EVE universe.
Ore Grunt	Posted - 2010.11.17 04:16:00 - [182] Originally by: The PitBoss Error or not .. This will be dealt with What you think you're eve's friggin godfather or something lol you all do know this is a game right lol
OT Smithers	Posted - 2010.11.17 04:54:00 - [183] If I want to get the GM's to end some wars for me, should I petition them directly or contact them via their in-game buddies in FA?
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.17 07:41:00 - [184] From what I gather you got hit by the GM dork disease in which a GM makes a terribly bad call only to be later overruled by a smarter GM. In this case yes it is quite a terrible thing and you were given a bad deal as that GM did a very wrong thing by canceling your war dec early. However, demanding a public apology and dev blog about this is going over the top. They did something wrong to you so they should apologize to you. CCP should only apologize to the community when it is an issue that affects the community at large (T20/POS exploit/etc) If you think this is the first time a GM has made a mistake then you got another thing coming. Unless you can prove some GM/dev favoritism or involvement as I see it CCP refunds your isk, gives you personally an apology and says that the GM has been dealt with and the situation is over. Asking for some grand apology is unwarranted and unnecessary. We get it, a GM did something dumb...again. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Sral TBear Macaroni family	Posted - 2010.11.17 08:09:00 - [185] Well a mistake is a mistake, But a "small" mistake by CCP have a great impact on the server... But everyone should relax about there "X files" ideas..... All comes down to massive power by one click, combine that with a bad day at work and you have this....
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:09:00 - [186] Originally by: Ore Grunt Originally by: The PitBoss Error or not .. This will be dealt with What you think you're eve's friggin godfather or something lol you all do know this is a game right lol You must be new to C&P, ~~welcome~~ get out. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:08:00 - [187] I wonder what IA's logs look like. Can you raise "Nothing to the power of Nothing"?
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:25:00 - [188] Originally by: Ore Grunt Originally by: The PitBoss Error or not .. This will be dealt with What you think you're eve's friggin godfather or something lol you all do know this is a game right lol You realise calling someone out for being too serious about a game while posting on an alt shows you take the game more seriously than someone like the pitboss who is simply dealing with an injustice by playing the game rite? Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.17 13:33:00 - [189] Originally by: Vaal Erit From what I gather you got hit by the GM dork disease in which a GM makes a terribly bad call only to be later overruled by a smarter GM. In this case yes it is quite a terrible thing and you were given a bad deal as that GM did a very wrong thing by canceling your war dec early. However, demanding a public apology and dev blog about this is going over the top. They did something wrong to you so they should apologize to you. CCP should only apologize to the community when it is an issue that affects the community at large (T20/POS exploit/etc) If you think this is the first time a GM has made a mistake then you got another thing coming. Unless you can prove some GM/dev favoritism or involvement as I see it CCP refunds your isk, gives you personally an apology and says that the GM has been dealt with and the situation is over. Asking for some grand apology is unwarranted and unnecessary. We get it, a GM did something dumb...again. Actually- I would say we asked for one, them pulling a dec for whatever reason affects more then just our alliance, but most of the Merc world (and those Griefer types too). The reason it was mentioned, is simply because a senior GM said they would respond to this thread with what happened, why, and how they are going to make it so that when a corp joins an alliance, the alliance gets a similar warmup message with a war, and whom its with. Mynxee and the CSM Reps have been amazingly supportive during this whole situation, and I look forward to reading the notes from the summit. If you think that a wardec getting pulled via petition under false pretenses only affects me and my alliance, well... go back to mining. General Discussion is over there --->
OT Smithers	Posted - 2010.11.17 14:19:00 - [190] Edited by: OT Smithers on 17/11/2010 14:20:28 Setting aside GM mistakes or whatever, the really funny thing is that this alliance or corp petitioned to have this war deck removed in the first place. That alone deserves its fair share of scorn, particularly considering the smack-talk from some of them in this thread. They pop in here talking all bad-ass, pants sagging like null-sec gangbangers... We got more caps than you got peeps (Yo!) F*ing models while you f*ing sheep (Yo!) Haters see us and getting hostile (Yo!) But we got GMs on the speed dial! (Word!) And all you can do is laugh.
Indeterminacy THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.17 14:58:00 - [191] I heard neutral freighterm alts are the new black. Also, why let a formality such as a war dec deflect from what you've been paid to do? You can go into low-sec / 0.0 and kill them for free. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you chose not to? Afterall, disrupting logistics into 0.0 should be easy right especially because FA are ****, etc, etc as you say. It's not like there aren't choke points for you to gank'm. Wait, wait, don't tell me. You just wanted to chill outside 4-4 and get epic killmails courtesy of Charles Darwin himself. You're not actually interested in PVP. Would that be about right? Srs Bzns....I went through a lot of posts and one thing I don't see a record of is a request on FA's part to end the dec via sekrit GM powers. That would be a useful piece of information to see. Otherwise, it's just accusations.
Quendishir Caldari The Immortal Dawn	Posted - 2010.11.17 15:13:00 - [192] Originally by: Indeterminacy I heard neutral freighterm alts are the new black. Also, why let a formality such as a war dec deflect from what you've been paid to do? You can go into low-sec / 0.0 and kill them for free. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you chose not to? Afterall, disrupting logistics into 0.0 should be easy right especially because FA are **, etc, etc as you say. It's not like there aren't choke points for you to gank'm. Wait, wait, don't tell me. You just wanted to chill outside 4-4 and get epic killmails courtesy of Charles Darwin himself. You're not actually interested in PVP. Would that be about right? Srs Bzns....I went through a lot of posts and one thing I don't see a record of is a request on FA's part to end the dec via sekrit GM powers. That would be a useful piece of information to see. Otherwise, it's just accusations. 1.) Popping neutral freighter alts in low-sec brings with it the loss of security standing, resulting in loss of access to to high-sec systems. As a mercenary corporation, access to those systems is important for contracts. 2.) The war dec's premature and unforeseen termination led to the freighters getting away into safe null sec space. They aren't going to chase them into their enemy's safe space, since to do that would be tantamount to pulling a Custer. 3.) Posting chat logs and GM conversations on the forums is warranting of a ban. 4.) STFU you stupid ** and next time don't make it so obvious that you're an FA alt.
Indeterminacy THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.17 15:30:00 - [193] Originally by: Quendishir Originally by: Indeterminacy I heard neutral freighterm alts are the new black. Also, why let a formality such as a war dec deflect from what you've been paid to do? You can go into low-sec / 0.0 and kill them for free. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you chose not to? Afterall, disrupting logistics into 0.0 should be easy right especially because FA are **, etc, etc as you say. It's not like there aren't choke points for you to gank'm. Wait, wait, don't tell me. You just wanted to chill outside 4-4 and get epic killmails courtesy of Charles Darwin himself. You're not actually interested in PVP. Would that be about right? Srs Bzns....I went through a lot of posts and one thing I don't see a record of is a request on FA's part to end the dec via sekrit GM powers. That would be a useful piece of information to see. Otherwise, it's just accusations. 1.) Popping neutral freighter alts in low-sec brings with it the loss of security standing, resulting in loss of access to to high-sec systems. As a mercenary corporation, access to those systems is important for contracts. 2.) The war dec's premature and unforeseen termination led to the freighters getting away into safe null sec space. They aren't going to chase them into their enemy's safe space, since to do that would be tantamount to pulling a Custer. 3.) Posting chat logs and GM conversations on the forums is warranting of a ban. 4.) STFU you stupid ** and next time don't make it so obvious that you're an FA alt. u mad? Also, EC- is held by Mostly Harmless (were the ships headed to Pure Blind). W-4 is held by GEWNS (more likely, were the ships headed to Cloud Ring). Neither system can be considered FA space by any reasoning. I see no reason why you couldn't mount an op into either system. Well, one reason. Finally, success. Fake Edit: Trying to think of a person in FA that I know. Nope.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.17 15:37:00 - [194] Originally by: Indeterminacy I heard neutral freighterm alts are the new black. Also, why let a formality such as a war dec deflect from what you've been paid to do? You can go into low-sec / 0.0 and kill them for free. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you chose not to? Afterall, disrupting logistics into 0.0 should be easy right especially because FA are ****, etc, etc as you say. It's not like there aren't choke points for you to gank'm. Wait, wait, don't tell me. You just wanted to chill outside 4-4 and get epic killmails courtesy of Charles Darwin himself. You're not actually interested in PVP. Would that be about right? Srs Bzns....I went through a lot of posts and one thing I don't see a record of is a request on FA's part to end the dec via sekrit GM powers. That would be a useful piece of information to see. Otherwise, it's just accusations. You know, I would actually pursure them off the Jita 4-4 Undock, or the Amarr EFA Undock, or FedNavy Station in Dixie.. if they wouldn't keep undocking... by themselves.. untanked.. with billions in cargo. I go where the kills are. Can't do much in lowsec since im exactly -2.0 and don't feel like ratting it up (read: laziness), and well 0.0 has that disadvantage of being a target for.. everyone, considering we've spent the last few weeks killing most 0.0 alliance members, I don't think were on anyones blue list. Like I said, I play how I want to, as do my alliance mates, and for the last time, stop attempting to de-rail this into something as mindless as 0.0 vs Highsec PvP. If you took the time to read this, as many have, you would know that this is all actually based off GM Correspondence, sorry I didn't think you were important enough to discuss it with in detail.
Gregor Vernof Voodoo Tactical Ghost Syndicate.	Posted - 2010.11.17 16:51:00 - [195] Originally by: Indeterminacy Excuse me while I completely miss the point and try to derail the discussion. Since I am Ubermench I will now rant/boost about Null Sec warfare vs Empire warfare. Finally, success. Fake Edit: Hold on a sec, I still need to make myself sound like the superior player I believe myself to be.... COAD is that way ===> Please we have enough problems here with the Low Sec vs High Sec *****/moan sessions, thank you, have a nice day.
Detria Omega Wing Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.11.17 16:58:00 - [196] Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Originally by: Vaal Erit From what I gather you got hit by the GM dork disease in which a GM makes a terribly bad call only to be later overruled by a smarter GM. In this case yes it is quite a terrible thing and you were given a bad deal as that GM did a very wrong thing by canceling your war dec early. However, demanding a public apology and dev blog about this is going over the top. They did something wrong to you so they should apologize to you. CCP should only apologize to the community when it is an issue that affects the community at large (T20/POS exploit/etc) If you think this is the first time a GM has made a mistake then you got another thing coming. Unless you can prove some GM/dev favoritism or involvement as I see it CCP refunds your isk, gives you personally an apology and says that the GM has been dealt with and the situation is over. Asking for some grand apology is unwarranted and unnecessary. We get it, a GM did something dumb...again. Actually- I would say we asked for one, them pulling a dec for whatever reason affects more then just our alliance, but most of the Merc world (and those Griefer types too). The reason it was mentioned, is simply because a senior GM said they would respond to this thread with what happened, why, and how they are going to make it so that when a corp joins an alliance, the alliance gets a similar warmup message with a war, and whom its with. Mynxee and the CSM Reps have been amazingly supportive during this whole situation, and I look forward to reading the notes from the summit. If you think that a wardec getting pulled via petition under false pretenses only affects me and my alliance, well... go back to mining. General Discussion is over there ---> ^^ This Being a merc, the final outcome of this has a direct impact on how we play the game. High sec wars are our bread and butter and is a large reason why IÆve stuck with EvE for so long. If not handled properly this could set a horrible precedent that could drastically alter the way the game is played for the entire merc / griefer community. That being said, IÆm anxiously awaiting the resolution and applaud the efforts of Violent Intent in pursuing this with professionalism and patience. Seeing Myx involved gives me confidence that this will be handled appropriately. Kill Em All, Dee.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:08:00 - [197] Originally by: Detria ^^ This Being a merc, the final outcome of this has a direct impact on how we play the game. High sec wars are our bread and butter and is a large reason why IÆve stuck with EvE for so long. If not handled properly this could set a horrible precedent that could drastically alter the way the game is played for the entire merc / griefer community. That being said, IÆm anxiously awaiting the resolution and applaud the efforts of Violent Intent in pursuing this with professionalism and patience. Seeing Myx involved gives me confidence that this will be handled appropriately. Kill Em All, Dee. Thanks for the support Dee, I along with others from the Merc World will no doubt be attending the Round Table discussions with the CSM on Sunday, anyone else who is a fan of killing people in High-Sec (War-Dec Types) would be encouraged to attend; since the outcome of all of this impacts all of us.

GM Lelouch Game Masters	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:38:00 - [198] Hello all, I'm the GM tasked with investigating what happened surrounding this war's cancellation. After reading this thread in full, I wanted to offer the explanation you requested. First, I'd like to present a time-line of the events which took place to give everyone a clearer picture of what happened. 2010.11.02 01:08 û The Violent Intent alliance declares war on the Militant Industries corporation. 2010.11.07 20:30 - Militant Industries joins the Fatal Ascension alliance, thus the war with Violent Intent is instantly moved over to the alliance level. 2010.11.08 00:07 - A petition is filed by a member Fatal Ascension expressing confusion as to why the war notification stated that the war would begin immediately but was not preceded by the standard 24 hour grace period. He suspected that an exploit had been at play. 2010.11.12 11:55 - A senior GM investigates and the war is canceled as a result of this investigation. (Read more on this below.) 2010.11.14 05:26 - A representative of Violent Intent files a petition asking why the war was canceled. 2010.11.15 22:03 - We reopen the investigation and respond to Violent Intent's petition. When wars between two alliances are viewed in our current logging system, the start date for the war will be listed as the date and time when the war originally started. In this case the start time for the war between Violent Intent and Fatal Ascension was listed as being 2010.11.02 01:08, which is when the war between Violent Intent and Militant Industries started. As can be seen in the above timeline, the war did not involve the Fatal Ascension alliance until 2010.11.07 20:30 when Militant Industries joined the alliance. Therefore, the initial petition was originally investigated by a game master from the angle that the war notification had not been sent out on time. This decision was based on what he could see from the notification quoted in the petition and had also seen on our end in our server logs, that the notification had been sent out five days after the purposed start date of the war. An internal note was placed on the petition and it was escalated to more experienced GMs for review. A senior GM reviewed the case based on the previous GM's investigation and came to the conclusion that a bug had indeed caused the war notification to be delayed by five days. The detail that the war originated with the Militant Intent corporation was missed, likely as a result of the preconceived notion that a bug of some sort was involved. An internal defect about the "bug" was submitted into our issue tracking system to have the bug investigated and fixed for good. The war was canceled and a refund for the war bill was issued. An offer was made to Fatal Ascension in the petition that all losses incurred as a result of the "bugged" war would be reimbursed should players who incurred such losses file a petition. Compounding the issue, the cancellation of the war was not communicated to the leadership of the Violent Intent alliance as it should have been. Our policies dictate that this should be done when actions are taken which affect more than one player entity, a war being canceled would under such certainly fall a situation. There are no indications that the petition filed by Fatal Ascension was created with malicious intent. A series of mistakes and assumptions led to the war being canceled. These mistakes were ours and we accept full responsibility and humbly apologize for them.


GM Lelouch Game Masters	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:39:00 - [199] We have taken measures internally to ensure that all current and future GMs are familiar with in-game war mechanics as well as the policy listed above and we hope that these mistakes will not repeat themselves. I'd like to address the matter of the reimbursement offer which was made to both sides which has been discussed quite a bit within this thread. As was mentioned above, Fatal Ascension was offered reimbursement for any ships which had been lost as a result of the war on the basis that the war notification had indeed been bugged. During our investigation into the whole ordeal on the 15th of November when Violent Intent's petition was being handled, an offer to reimburse the losses they had incurred was extended on the basis that Fatal Ascension had already received such an offer in the past and that their reimbursement claims had most likely already been granted at that point in time. Removing ships which have already been reimbursed is something we wish to avoid as much as possible. This offer was made with the intention of compensating everyone involved and it was made before we had taken an in-depth look into the actual losses that were incurred throughout the duration of the war. After further consideration we decided instead that it would be best to redact the reimbursement offers that had been made to both sides on the grounds that it was the most reasonable way to be fair to everyone involved. All petitions submitted by members of corporations within Fatal Ascension after the war had been canceled were reviewed and no reimbursement had been granted. I'd like to extend my most sincere apologies on behalf of the whole GM team for these mistakes on our part and I hope that the measures we've taken and are planning to take in response to this will prevent similar mistakes from happening in the future. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support

Kojee DEATH'S LEGION Hell's Hide-Out	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:51:00 - [200] Edited by: Kojee on 17/11/2010 17:51:50 Thanks Lelouch. Much appreciated.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:52:00 - [201] Originally by: GM Lelouch There are no indications that the petition filed by Fatal Ascension was created with malicious intent. I am Jack's Smirking Revenge. A personal thank you GM Lelouch and the CSM Council for your time in settling this issue. While unfortunate, I'm glad everything has been reviewed, I'm sure -FA- will enjoy the next few weeks
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:28:00 - [202] Edited by: thelung187 on 17/11/2010 18:31:08 Originally by: GM Lelouch We have taken measures internally to ensure that all current and future GMs are familiar with in-game war mechanics as well as the policy listed above and we hope that these mistakes will not repeat themselves. I'd like to address the matter of the reimbursement offer which was made to both sides which has been discussed quite a bit within this thread. As was mentioned above, Fatal Ascension was offered reimbursement for any ships which had been lost as a result of the war on the basis that the war notification had indeed been bugged. During our investigation into the whole ordeal on the 15th of November when Violent Intent's petition was being handled, an offer to reimburse the losses they had incurred was extended on the basis that Fatal Ascension had already received such an offer in the past and that their reimbursement claims had most likely already been granted at that point in time. Removing ships which have already been reimbursed is something we wish to avoid as much as possible. This offer was made with the intention of compensating everyone involved and it was made before we had taken an in-depth look into the actual losses that were incurred throughout the duration of the war. After further consideration we decided instead that it would be best to redact the reimbursement offers that had been made to both sides on the grounds that it was the most reasonable way to be fair to everyone involved. All petitions submitted by members of corporations within Fatal Ascension after the war had been canceled were reviewed and no reimbursement had been granted. I'd like to extend my most sincere apologies on behalf of the whole GM team for these mistakes on our part and I hope that the measures we've taken and are planning to take in response to this will prevent similar mistakes from happening in the future. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support As a "vocal" member of the pro-transparency side of the coin, I must say I am quite impressed by the level of explanation you've provided here GM Lelouch. Despite the negative consequences of the action(s) that occurred, this is a very thorough explanation of events, and displays a level of granularity that is too rarely seen on these forums. We can only hope that this type of communication becomes more the rule, and less the exception. Well done.
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:30:00 - [203] I'm happy to see there were no actual reimbursements. The offered reimbursements were the reversible and inexplicable link in the chain of mistakes. It was also nice seeing the issues being laid out and in due time responded to appropriately.
Master Akira Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:41:00 - [204] Well, color me surprised. An honest GM explanation about a controversial issue with apologies and all. Good job.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:41:00 - [205] Edited by: Zagdul on 17/11/2010 18:44:29 Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 17/11/2010 17:56:11 Originally by: GM Lelouch There are no indications that the petition filed by Fatal Ascension was created with malicious intent. I am Jack's Smirking Revenge. A personal thank you GM Lelouch and the CSM Council for your time in settling this issue; and to the C&P Community (well most of you) for your support. While unfortunate, I'm glad everything has been reviewed, I'm sure -FA- will enjoy the next few weeks Please read past that line, There was a bug, so a member of my alliance petitioned the bug, not the Declaration of War. As long as you come out to Cloud Ring or Pure Blind, yes, we will enjoy our next (how ever long you wanna war dec us for). If you sit on the Jita 4-4 undock, you're not getting a fight. You're simply preying on the stupid of my alliance. And every alliance has some stupid in it. If you or your alliance do want a fight, come for it, we welcome you.
Aerion Va'rr Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:51:00 - [206] Originally by: Master Akira Well, color me surprised. An honest GM explanation about a controversial issue with apologies and all. Good job. I must say, I am fully impressed with the GM staff and how they handled this; the public explanation, the in-game mails, everything.
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:58:00 - [207] Edited by: knickersoffalot on 17/11/2010 19:00:09 I like this bit Quote: *It had nothing to do with us* and if i ever found out it was a member if my corp that petitioned ccp, he/she would be looking for a new corp Quote: 2010.11.08 00:07 - A petition is filed by a member Fatal Ascension expressing confusion as to why the war notification stated that the war would begin immediately but was not preceded by the standard 24 hour grace period. He suspected that an exploit had been at play. Good to see a thorough explanation though
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:59:00 - [208] Edited by: Mag''s on 17/11/2010 19:02:33 Originally by: Zagdul Please read past that line, There was a bug, so a member of my alliance petitioned the bug, not the Declaration of War. As long as you come out to Cloud Ring or Pure Blind, yes, we will enjoy our next (how ever long you wanna war dec us for). If you sit on the Jita 4-4 undock, you're not getting a fight. You're simply preying on the stupid of my alliance. And every alliance has some stupid in it. If you or your alliance do want a fight, come for it, we welcome you. Please read it again, they believed it was a bug, but it wasn't and that was their mistake. You personally, have not come out of this smelling of roses. What with your assurance that no one from your alliance petitioned this and now misreading the GM reply. Edit: Great GM reply. Kudos. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Quendishir Caldari The Immortal Dawn	Posted - 2010.11.17 19:25:00 - [209] Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 17/11/2010 18:44:29 Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 17/11/2010 17:56:11 Originally by: GM Lelouch There are no indications that the petition filed by Fatal Ascension was created with malicious intent. I am Jack's Smirking Revenge. A personal thank you GM Lelouch and the CSM Council for your time in settling this issue; and to the C&P Community (well most of you) for your support. While unfortunate, I'm glad everything has been reviewed, I'm sure -FA- will enjoy the next few weeks Please read past that line, There was a bug, so a member of my alliance petitioned the bug, not the Declaration of War. As long as you come out to Cloud Ring or Pure Blind, yes, we will enjoy our next (how ever long you wanna war dec us for). If you sit on the Jita 4-4 undock, you're not getting a fight. You're simply preying on the stupid of my alliance. And every alliance has some stupid in it. If you or your alliance do want a fight, come for it, we welcome you. Incorrect. There was a perceived bug in the war declaration notification system. When a corporation enters an alliance, any war decs that they are currently involved with (whether initiated by the joining corporation or against) are transferred to the alliance. In all cases, it falls upon the corporation being assimilated to warn the alliance of this fact, or to cancel the war decs, if possible. A notification is not sent out stating that there is a war brewing, and that the alliance will be involved in it. The fault, in this case, rests with your alliance leaders for not informing the alliance en masse of the coming conflict. /devil's advocate What has essentially been said here by a GM is that someone was too stupid to look into what was going on. This isn't a matter of war decs only, but rather the consistency and determination of CCP employees to do as they have said: resolve issues with the game mechanics to the best of their abilities. There is no reason that I can see where a war declaration notification would be delayed by five whole days. I'm sorry, but even an extended downtime wouldn't cause that type of issue. And if there was such an issue that the alliance that petitioned was actively engaged in the war, they should have been shot at long before the petition was filed, meaning the petition would have been filed days sooner. /end devil's advocate
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2010.11.17 19:27:00 - [210] GM Lelouch apologizes for the stupidity and ignorance of a GM and a senior GM. Are we going to see an apology (for being stupid) from Fatal Ascension leadership as well?

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