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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:51:00 -
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This is some seriously messed up s**t. CCP Morpheus, not sure what to say to you dude if this is true.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr So- the long and short of our GM Response was... apparently a GM didn't understand that a corporation that we're at war with, joins an alliance, thus making the alliance a wartarget. Without a 24 hour cooldown.
That's absurd. The mechanics of joining an alliance with an active war are well known, and have been often been used by the targets to trap the wardeccers. I myself have seen this happen many, many times over the last two years.
Joining an alliance has a 24 hour delay anyway, during which the alliance leadership knows a war is incoming and can warn their members.
But even if this really merited GM action, what is the sense in cancelling the war after the 24 hour warning period has passed. Or reinbursing losses after that time? It only creates an easy way out for decced corps: join an alliance, petition, and get the war cancelled.
You should apply for GM. apparently you know more than some of them do...
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Schwa88
Death By Association Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Schwa88 on 15/11/2010 22:53:58 For a GM to not understand game mechanics , is well, uh, derp? Seriously?
A Game "Master" that is master of....nothing?
That is utterly ludicrous sir.
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souhyeahright
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:55:00 -
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Quote: I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case.
Would really love to see what that paper trail looks like.
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: souhyeahright
Quote: I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case.
Would really love to see what that paper trail looks like.
I would as well...
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Dracoknight
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:00:00 -
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This is seriously messed up, a REFUND of ships? what the heck is the idiot thinking?
Seriously when did this game turn all Kitty Cat Online? WORST ****ING SOLUTION EVER! ____________________
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: OT Smithers on 15/11/2010 23:01:21
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
We got an apology.....
Ending a war is a big deal, not something a single GM just does on his own. It sounds to me like a single GM abusing his power to help some friends in game.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: souhyeahright
Quote: I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case.
Would really love to see what that paper trail looks like.
souhy... Ive given up thinking there is a paper trail. That is a general reply give to cover themselves. 1 of 2 things will happen here: 1. Both sides will be reimbursted. (GM corruption suspected for rest of life). 2. Sorry note will be sent again with differnet wording and nothing else will happen. (welcome to eve, angry wardecs ensue)
Unfortunalty number 3. will never happen simply because that would take actual action instead of a few minutes typing mails. 3. GM that made the error would be dealt with (Removal, warning, supervision etc) anything that happened to FA during the error time will be reset (removal of SOV in 4 (YES 4) systems.)...
Nothing good will come of this. Bad publicity only.
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Schwa88
Death By Association Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: souhyeahright
Quote: I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case.
Would really love to see what that paper trail looks like.
I would as well...
And I.
WE DEMAND JUSTICE!
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Schwa88
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: souhyeahright
Would really love to see what that paper trail looks like.
I would as well...
And I.
WE DEMAND JUSTICE!
It'll never happen. Sorry to say.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:05:00 -
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There is really nothing worse in an MMO than a GM abusing their power to help their buddies. That's what this looks like to me. It would be nice to see an alliance of corporations come together to wipe these cheaters off the map -- but this being Eve I doubt that would happen.
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Quendishir
Caldari The Immortal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:06:00 -
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if you wouldn't mind, OP, please send a copy of all correspondence between you (or your CEO/executor) to this character, or preferably to my e-mail address: [email protected]. My intent is to put together a collection for this sort of thing for future events.
Thank you. :)
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Inevitability
Caldari Death By Association Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:07:00 -
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I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
You sir have hit the nail clean on the head!
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Schwa88
Death By Association Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
And it shall be called MilitarisGate...
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: knickersoffalot
Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
You sir have hit the nail clean on the head!
This, basically. This entire thing reeks of a CCP alt giving a backhander to his corpies then trying to have it all brushed under the carpet when the proverbial hits the fan.
If this GM did misinterpret the rules and refunded the wardec fee because he thought it was the correct action in the circumstances (as claimed above), then why didn't he send some sort of explanation along with the money?
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
Of course the GM involved knew. He knew he was helping his buddies.
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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
Of course the GM involved knew. He knew he was helping his buddies.
I TOO AM A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
Seriously, though, this seems like an ordinary mistake to me. Sure, the GM should apologize and be scolded by his fellow employees, yada yada, but seriously? Accusations like that with no evidence? -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:24:00 -
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Is it possible for CCP to Alienate themselves more?
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:24:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 15/11/2010 23:25:16
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
Of course the GM involved knew. He knew he was helping his buddies.
I TOO AM A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
Seriously, though, this seems like an ordinary mistake to me. Sure, the GM should apologize and be scolded by his fellow employees, yada yada, but seriously? Accusations like that with no evidence?
Theres a 3 Page response from the GMs in my inbox, theres actually evidence, important people have read it. Pretty sure if you actually thumb through the whole thread, we've openly shared information arguing our point.
Sorry but I'm not going to post a GM Response on C&P and get this locked and forgotten.
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
They are called game "MASTERS" ie: they are supposed to have a vague understanding of game mechanics, or is it just me that see's them in this light?
Of course the GM involved knew. He knew he was helping his buddies.
I TOO AM A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
Seriously, though, this seems like an ordinary mistake to me. Sure, the GM should apologize and be scolded by his fellow employees, yada yada, but seriously? Accusations like that with no evidence?
Quote: Game Master ûnoun the person who controls a role-playing game.
so would that not mean a GM should have a basic understanding of a game mechanic everyone other then the GM in question seems to get?
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Inevitability I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
Of course the GM involved knew. He knew he was helping his buddies.
I TOO AM A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
Seriously, though, this seems like an ordinary mistake to me. Sure, the GM should apologize and be scolded by his fellow employees, yada yada, but seriously? Accusations like that with no evidence?
I wish this was just a witch hunt. Unfortunatly there has been way too many instances of bs to bee seen.
. A alliance does not understand that when a corp joins the allaince inherits the war (WHICH IS STATED IN RULES). MORE THAN ONE GM did not fulfil his/her role as a GM by investigating the situtation. 1st GM presented info on the situtation and the rest just followed what he/she said as correct. Even Internal affiars sided with the original statement before we recieved a sorry note. And now that we have a sorry note we will not see any reply by any other GM on this thread regardig it.
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Bobkate Dobbs
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:42:00 -
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WTF?
Id like to see some more info before I completely jump to the conclusion that this is utter BS, but my god.. it walks like a pile of steaming BS, talks like a pile of steaming BS, and certainly stinks like one.
Im sorry but actions like this completly destroy credibility of this game, and everything that makes it fun. Really sad... and really dissapointing.
Only one thing to say really.... VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS!!
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podlol
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:43:00 -
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THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION AT THIS POINT IS AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS FACT FINDING OPERATION, THEN TRANSPARENCY TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY VIA AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEV BLOG. MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF THIS GM, SHOW THE COMMUNITY, YOUR CUSTOMERS, THAT CSM AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS AREN'T JUST LIP SERVICE.
INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WE DEMAND ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
I TOO AM A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
Seriously, though, this seems like an ordinary mistake to me. Sure, the GM should apologize and be scolded by his fellow employees, yada yada, but seriously? Accusations like that with no evidence?
If it were simply a mistake it was a HUGE one. I highly doubt GM's area authorized to end wars without at least discussing it with others. This GM not only ended a war that his buddies found difficult, but he reversed their losses and refunded their ships. Calling this an "ordinary mistake" is like calling child molestation "advanced cuddling."
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bobkate Dobbs WTF?
Id like to see some more info before I completely jump to the conclusion that this is utter BS, but my god.. it walks like a pile of steaming BS, talks like a pile of steaming BS, and certainly stinks like one.
Im sorry but actions like this completly destroy credibility of this game, and everything that makes it fun. Really sad... and really dissapointing.
Only one thing to say really.... VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS!!
A better solution is to wipe out the corporation that the GM is involved with.
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:50:00 -
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So all you need to do if you lose a war is to find an intellectually challenged GM for everything to be wiped out?
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Bobkate Dobbs WTF?
Id like to see some more info before I completely jump to the conclusion that this is utter BS, but my god.. it walks like a pile of steaming BS, talks like a pile of steaming BS, and certainly stinks like one.
Im sorry but actions like this completly destroy credibility of this game, and everything that makes it fun. Really sad... and really dissapointing.
Only one thing to say really.... VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS!!
A better solution is to wipe out the corporation that the GM is involved with.
once again great idea. Will not happen unfortunatly. We have not heard from a GM in this forum since CCP Morphues and i doubt any GM will attmept to salvage this charlie foxtrot.
If any do attempt to I wish them the best of luck in their efforts to "prove" becasue this has gone way past we are a authoritaive source, prove that you are acting in the best of all of eve and not just your friend or even worse YOUR ALT.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Morpheus "vague and unsubstantiated assurances"
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The superficial appearance now is that internal affairs is covering up a GM cheating.
Telling us you checked and its all ok - even though what happened does not match the stated rules basically means that we cant trust you.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Transient Drifter
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:58:00 -
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i'm pretty damn new to eve, but this seems to be a reoccurring theme with this place... hell, i had heard these accusations within other games outside of eve. lulz all around
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