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Thorleifer	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:38:00 - [451] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: Thorleifer Originally by: T0Y If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup? It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please. True but that blog made no reference to older character at all. So clarification is asked for again. Originally by: T0Y Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: T0Y If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup? It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please. So if you don't know the answer, why are you replying? Just a few quotes up in thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420510&page=15#424 (Means: u blind) Ya I got that part but doing the math it doesn't seem to work for how I remapped is all, dunno, we shall see.
Eve Aldeir	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:38:00 - [452] This removal of learning skills maybe will attract new players, but at the same time the older players are again being nerfed. We had to learn those learning skills to speed up training in the future. Now everyone gets the bonus without any learning of learning skills at all. So where it took the older players a long time to reach certain sp levels, the new generation reaches those same levels in a much smaller amount of time. A reasonable change would have been if the extra attributes from removal of the learning skills would be given to players without learning skills after the time which is needed to learn the learning skills in the old system, something like a bonus for playing Eve for x days.
Shandir Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:39:00 - [453] "Miscellaneous other cleanup tasks will be performed that are not very interesting, details available on request." Details requested
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:40:00 - [454] CCP: I have a question about reimbursement. How long will the reimbursement period last? The reason I'm aksing this is because I won't be around in December and I would be a bit sad to lose those juicy SPs when arriving back in Jan. And thanks for this, CCP. It's the best thing for the game in many respects because it simplifies the beginner game for new players and gives us older players a funky little christmas present that we can spend on stuff that makes blwoing up other stuff easier.
Cyprus Black Caldari Ministry of Destruction SCUM.	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:41:00 - [455] Learning skills going away is a good thing. Really. I can finally talk friends into playing and they might actually stay. Though it seemed like the logical choice to do, they will no longer train learning skills for a month, get bored because they can't do anything else, and quit. No matter how many times I tell friends NOT to train learning skills first, they always do because it seems to make sense to do so first. Thank you CCP. After the 14th if you see subscription numbers go up by two, you'll know why. __________________________________________________ http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2084/lolveur2.gif
Lord Zulu The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:42:00 - [456] 4,743,765 SP to go into anything I want erm great now I have to make that decision thanks CCP/CSM
KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:42:00 - [457] Edited by: KurnKuku on 25/11/2010 15:43:04 Originally by: Eve Aldeir This removal of learning skills maybe will attract new players, but at the same time the older players are again being nerfed. We had to learn those learning skills to speed up training in the future. Now everyone gets the bonus without any learning of learning skills at all. So where it took the older players a long time to reach certain sp levels, the new generation reaches those same levels in a much smaller amount of time. A reasonable change would have been if the extra attributes from removal of the learning skills would be given to players without learning skills after the time which is needed to learn the learning skills in the old system, something like a bonus for playing Eve for x days. ie.."I had to take time training, and therefore I am not happy unless everyone else does"? How does new players training quicker possibly 'nerf' you?
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:44:00 - [458] Originally by: Eve Aldeir This removal of learning skills maybe will attract new players, but at the same time the older players are again being nerfed. We had to learn those learning skills to speed up training in the future. Now everyone gets the bonus without any learning of learning skills at all. So where it took the older players a long time to reach certain sp levels, the new generation reaches those same levels in a much smaller amount of time. A reasonable change would have been if the extra attributes from removal of the learning skills would be given to players without learning skills after the time which is needed to learn the learning skills in the old system, something like a bonus for playing Eve for x days. You realise you're getting all the extra SP back that you spent on learning to put on something else? If I were you, I'd put it in reading comprehension V.
Harrigan VonStudly Original Sin.	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:44:00 - [459] Hrm. Well... It sounds decent and seems like a good idea. BUT! New players can dive right in. Something not so much doable by the rest of us if we wanted to have decent training times by training learning skills first. We'll be reimbursed the learning sp number that we have now. Ok, but that doesn't recover the time lost for the rest of us having "immediate" fun. You can't make up for that CCP. I demand a make up for all that lost fun we didn't get to have. I demand a pic of Stevie SG holding a sign saying she loves Harri. Do eet!!!111one
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:46:00 - [460] I know have a big chunk of SP to spend. What plagues me - and which is why I did like the concept of "learning skills", even at the time I was doing them: it provided sort of a sieve to filter out the "lvl 80 in two days otherwise the game sucks" kinda players real quick. EVE is a game of patience. Doing the learnings teaches you that. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager

KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:46:00 - [461] Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly Hrm. Well... It sounds decent and seems like a good idea. BUT! New players can dive right in. Something not so much doable by the rest of us if we wanted to have decent training times by training learning skills first. We'll be reimbursed the learning sp number that we have now. Ok, but that doesn't recover the time lost for the rest of us having "immediate" fun. You can't make up for that CCP. ie..."I had to waste time training the skills, and therefore I am not happy unless everyone else does" ?
Mr morris Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:47:00 - [462] This is awesome*** Shame to all the whiners who resist any and all upgrades to this great game. CCP needs to do this for many reasons. This isn't 2003 and we are not in Kansas Dorothy. Big Grats to the Dev Team Mr Morris is sold in game on boyout offer.
Aarin Wrath Caldari East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:47:00 - [463] Wow CCP. Never thought you guys would ever do this. Sheer awesomeness.
T0Y Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:48:00 - [464] Originally by: Tonto Auri (Means: u blind) I get it, you're here to try and be clever and yet you really have no clue. I on the other hand was asking for clarification on something, because even though certain things are mentioned, it's not at all clear. That's why we adults, sometimes ask for things to be made a little clearer.
Pellit1 Caldari Vitai Lampada Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:49:00 - [465] Originally by: Hel O'Ween What plagues me - and which is why I did like the concept of "learning skills", even at the time I was doing them: it provided sort of a sieve to filter out the "lvl 80 in two days otherwise the game sucks" kinda players real quick. EVE is a game of patience. Doing the learnings teaches you that. Exactly my thoughts :/ ------------- Rough Necks Alliance BOOST FALCONS. Nerf whiners.
Feligast Minmatar Intentionally Destructive	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:50:00 - [466] OLder players may train slower under the new system with maxed out skills.. I read earlier approx 640k per year. So, with the freeing of over 5m skillpoints from the learning skills, you realize you're getting almost 8 YEARS of the nerfed training free, right? Excellent move, CCP. Well done.
Axe Coldon	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:52:00 - [467] I have a question and I didn't see it addressed in the post. Will we still be able to remap? They said the 12 points was "non-remappable" So does that mean we can't lower charisma and jack up preception after the change? And will there still be Attribute Implants?
Harrigan VonStudly Original Sin.	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:53:00 - [468] Originally by: KurnKuku Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly Hrm. Well... It sounds decent and seems like a good idea. BUT! New players can dive right in. Something not so much doable by the rest of us if we wanted to have decent training times by training learning skills first. We'll be reimbursed the learning sp number that we have now. Ok, but that doesn't recover the time lost for the rest of us having "immediate" fun. You can't make up for that CCP. ie..."I had to waste time training the skills, and therefore I am not happy unless everyone else does" ? No, I just really want the pic.
Miklas Laces No Second Prize	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:54:00 - [469] Originally by: CCP Nooblet It's also considered empirically likely that, in the process of reading the above, you've had one or more thoughts spring into your minds that start with the word "Why...". Therefore, here are some Whys for you. WHY TWELVE EXTRA POINTS? WHY AREN'T YOU REIMBURSING SKILLBOOKS I BOUGHT AND INJECTED? WHY ARE YOU REIMBURSING PEOPLE WITH SKILLBOOKS IN THEIR HANGARS, THERE'S NO REAL WAY THIS COULD BE BAD FOR ME BUT I FEEL OUTRAGED NONETHELESS (WHY ELSE WOULD I BE TYPING IN ALL CAPS)? WHY DIDN'T YOU SETTLE ON A LOWER ATTRIBUTE COUNT/TRAINING SPEED? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO (THING WHICH IS MORE COMPLICATED/EXTENSIVE, EVEN IF ONLY BY A SMALL MARGIN)? WHY OH WHY ARE YOU GETTING RID OF THE NEW PLAYER LEARNING SPEED BONUS? You missed one: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS ? Not that I care much about the removal of learning skills, but I would like to know the reason behind this change. ________________________________________________ CCP Claw > Sokata has been destroyed for boundary violation Drug Kito > Sokata you'll always be remembered as a noob in history of alliance tourname
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:54:00 - [470] that's a good news :) ---------------- Wormhole Trading

Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:55:00 - [471] Originally by: Bomberlocks CCP: I have a question about reimbursement. How long will the reimbursement period last? There will be no time limit. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_Reimbursement
Marcus Caspius	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:55:00 - [472] ARRGGHH! THIS SUCKS - AND IT IS NOT FAIR: While I took the time to train all Learning skills to 5, I missed out the opportunity/time to train something else. So that means I lost the "Game-Time" where I could flow have a better ship, or fired a Missile or Gun more efficiently. Furthermore, I may have been able to tank that WT better or whatever... The point here is the COST of the LOSS of OPPERTUNITY. The pilots who stand to lose the most out of this are the ones that took the time to train it up to MAX. Maybe give guys like me a BONUS on "Remap points" for all Learning skills to V at date of publishing.
Evil Zeb	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:56:00 - [473] Originally by: Feligast OLder players may train slower under the new system with maxed out skills.. I read earlier approx 640k per year. So, with the freeing of over 5m skillpoints from the learning skills, you realize you're getting almost 8 YEARS of the nerfed training free, right? Excellent move, CCP. Well done. not free is it, already spend 2/3 months training it. do i get the 90days in plex's back?
KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:57:00 - [474] Edited by: KurnKuku on 25/11/2010 15:58:12 Originally by: Marcus Caspius ARRGGHH! THIS SUCKS - AND IT IS NOT FAIR: While I took the time to train all Learning skills to 5, I missed out the opportunity/time to train something else. So that means I lost the "Game-Time" where I could flow have a better ship, or fired a Missile or Gun more efficiently. Furthermore, I may have been able to tank that WT better or whatever... The point here is the COST of the LOSS of OPPERTUNITY. The pilots who stand to lose the most out of this are the ones that took the time to train it up to MAX. Maybe give guys like me a BONUS on "Remap points" for all Learning skills to V at date of publishing. How are you possibly losing out on this? You will be in the same situation after the change as you are now. Is it a case of "I had to take the time to train this, and therefore I will be happier if everyone else has to also as opposed to everyone else not having to train this." ?
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.25 15:59:00 - [475] Edited by: amarian arch on 25/11/2010 15:59:18 Will remapping still be possible and if so will we be able to get a free one after this change? If i lose my 31 perception and 25 willpower im going to be mad.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.25 16:00:00 - [476] Originally by: Marcus Caspius ARRGGHH! THIS SUCKS - AND IT IS NOT FAIR: While I took the time to train all Learning skills to 5, I missed out the opportunity/time to train something else. So that means I lost the "Game-Time" where I could flow have a better ship, or fired a Missile or Gun more efficiently. Furthermore, I may have been able to tank that WT better or whatever... The point here is the COST of the LOSS of OPPERTUNITY. The pilots who stand to lose the most out of this are the ones that took the time to train it up to MAX. Maybe give guys like me a BONUS on "Remap points" for all Learning skills to V at date of publishing. If someone gave you wings so you can fly, would you go to the airline company and ask for a refund for all those flights you had over the years? I mean, it's a missed opportunity - you could have been using your wings.
KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.11.25 16:01:00 - [477] Originally by: Evil Zeb not free is it, already spend 2/3 months training it. do i get the 90days in plex's back? So what you mean is, "I had to spend 2/3 months training, I am not affected by these changes, however I am not happy that others now don't have to spend time training. I would be happier if people still had to train them, because I had to." ?
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.11.25 16:01:00 - [478] Mmm... A couple mil of tasty skillpoints, shiny stat boost and a nice pile of cash to flow back into the "Skillbooks for Republicans" fund, which will become the "Template Ships for Newbie Republicans" fund. Team Yggdrasil can have cake, IMHO. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
King Pleasure	Posted - 2010.11.25 16:02:00 - [479] Awesome news. Guessing this means you'll be removing the learning skill lock on some nullsec deadspace gates as well? Just asking coz it wasn't mentioned. Vote NO to PLEX for Remap.
Xenitha Towers	Posted - 2010.11.25 16:03:00 - [480] I'm a little sad. I invested a lot in learning because that's the type of character I wanted to play: an academic. Although it is not a large part of the game, not as big as trade, industry or combat, and you can't sustain that type of character for the entire life of the game, we'll now be losing the scholar type of game-play that I enjoyed thus far in the game. However, with the skill reimbursement I'll now be above my friends in skill points. I've been lagging behind them because they started a couple months ahead of me, but I'll be above them in skill points now and I won't have to wait my calculated 2 years to catch up to them. Very excited about this.



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