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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2011.01.14 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: CSM CCP Minutes Discussion then turned to the issue of botting and RMT, and what could be done to reduce their impact on the game. As this discussion involved potential countermeasures, it is sealed under NDA.
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I find it funny how out of the whole thing this discussion was the shortest, I understand that you cant tell us some stuff but you could have atleast told us the following.
1. Will macro ratting and macro mining be targeted 2. When can players expect to see a change 3. Can incursions be changed to affect botting (ie warp jamming etc)
The CSM have already stated that CCP have said they would look into RMT in 2011 or so, which sounds really bad, is this still the case or will CCP look at both RMT & botting THIS YEAR
Originally by: Kool StoryBro <---
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed.
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Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
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Posted - 2011.01.14 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos The CSM have already stated that CCP have said they would look into RMT in 2011 or so, which sounds really bad, is this still the case or will CCP look at both RMT & botting THIS YEAR
Hmmm...
(getCurrentYear().equals("2011"))
Function returns "true"
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2011.01.14 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sixtina KL
Originally by: Kalle Demos The CSM have already stated that CCP have said they would look into RMT in 2011 or so, which sounds really bad, is this still the case or will CCP look at both RMT & botting THIS YEAR
Hmmm...
(getCurrentYear().equals("2011"))
Function returns "true"
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Guess you missed the 'or so' part
Originally by: Kool StoryBro <---
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:25:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: CSM CCP Minutes Discussion then turned to the issue of botting and RMT, and what could be done to reduce their impact on the game. As this discussion involved potential countermeasures, it is sealed under NDA.
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I find it funny how out of the whole thing this discussion was the shortest, I understand that you cant tell us some stuff but you could have atleast told us the following.
1. Will macro ratting and macro mining be targeted 2. When can players expect to see a change 3. Can incursions be changed to affect botting (ie warp jamming etc)
The CSM have already stated that CCP have said they would look into RMT in 2011 or so, which sounds really bad, is this still the case or will CCP look at both RMT & botting THIS YEAR
CCP, will hide behind the NDA on all those points as they might tip botters off when in reality the answer is probably something more like they aren't going after them unless RMT is involved, change will happen once they pencil in a team and allocate people to actually do something.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran ...change will happen once they pencil in a team and allocate people to actually do something.
18 months.
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Solena Rain
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: CSM CCP Minutes Discussion then turned to the issue of botting and RMT, and what could be done to reduce their impact on the game. As this discussion involved potential countermeasures, it is sealed under NDA.
Source
I find it funny how out of the whole thing this discussion was the shortest, I understand that you cant tell us some stuff but you could have atleast told us the following.
1. Will macro ratting and macro mining be targeted 2. When can players expect to see a change 3. Can incursions be changed to affect botting (ie warp jamming etc)
The CSM have already stated that CCP have said they would look into RMT in 2011 or so, which sounds really bad, is this still the case or will CCP look at both RMT & botting THIS YEAR
CCP, will hide behind the NDA on all those points as they might tip botters off when in reality the answer is probably something more like they aren't going after them unless RMT is involved, change will happen once they pencil in a team and allocate people to actually do something.
"They aren't going after them"
first, terrible sentence structure, second reading and comprehension is not your strong point is it?
Incursion is directly targeting botters. Are you not aware of the new features?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:22:00 -
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Hi. I believe this RMT is not permitted for discussion on forums because it is real money trade ... Thanks. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.01.15 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain
Originally by: Bhattran
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: CSM CCP Minutes Discussion then turned to the issue of botting and RMT, and what could be done to reduce their impact on the game. As this discussion involved potential countermeasures, it is sealed under NDA.
Source
I find it funny how out of the whole thing this discussion was the shortest, I understand that you cant tell us some stuff but you could have atleast told us the following.
1. Will macro ratting and macro mining be targeted 2. When can players expect to see a change 3. Can incursions be changed to affect botting (ie warp jamming etc)
The CSM have already stated that CCP have said they would look into RMT in 2011 or so, which sounds really bad, is this still the case or will CCP look at both RMT & botting THIS YEAR
CCP, will hide behind the NDA on all those points as they might tip botters off when in reality the answer is probably something more like they aren't going after them unless RMT is involved, change will happen once they pencil in a team and allocate people to actually do something.
"They aren't going after them"
first, terrible sentence structure, second reading and comprehension is not your strong point is it?
Incursion is directly targeting botters. Are you not aware of the new features?
Thanks, you might look at your own reading comprehension and understanding of the situation with botting and game mechanics if you think Incursions is directly targeting botters.
Incursions at best will be a minor annoyance to botters for the time they last if the botters don't leave the systems affected. They will be far more of a 'problem' for real players grinding with limited time to play who don't move, over bots that run hours on end everyday.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:27:00 -
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Ok ppl... new avatars are great and all but don't forget more important things in EVE that need DEVs attention...
And i think that Botting and RMT problem must be one of the priorities. "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
Artisan Botanist
Minmatar Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:28:00 -
[640]
Thanks for the bump, was looking for this thread earlier
You probably will need to bump it on Feb 5th onwards, when everything is cool and calm
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:05:00 -
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Did you see in the dev blog about account security that CCP is reverse engineering bot programs? That one statement carries more weight than the entire "raging on" blog.
Also for anyone looking at this thread and thinking "maybe I should get a bot": read that blog on phishing. It says bot programs secretly steal your account info and send it to the bot program writer, or do other nasty stuff to you.
People writing programs for cheating don't stop at cheating in the game, they cheat you too.
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Artisan Botanist
Minmatar Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena Did you see in the dev blog about account security that CCP is reverse engineering bot programs? That one statement carries more weight than the entire "raging on" blog.
Also for anyone looking at this thread and thinking "maybe I should get a bot": read that blog on phishing. It says bot programs secretly steal your account info and send it to the bot program writer, or do other nasty stuff to you.
People writing programs for cheating don't stop at cheating in the game, they cheat you too.
Link blog, all I want is an ETA on when will we see majority of bots dead, there is a deadline for all projects and it really wouldnt make a difference if a date (or vague date ie 'first quarter') is given, but one needs to be given
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:56:00 -
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If you want to make a difference this is what you need to do:
1. Create an alt character. 2. Train him/her up to be able to use the lowest skilled cloaking device. 3. Use one of the resources available to you (web, word of mouth) which shows systems with unusual numbers of NPC kills. 4. Move your character to that system. 5. When you go to sleep / work etc, log him/her in to afk cloak in that system.
The bots rely on code which effectively disables them from botting when a nuetral is in system. Your afker character will be a nuetral and will stop the bot from farming.
The only fix for the bot will be to flag your neutral character as a blue character making it vulnerable to attack by you.
Win for us / loss for bots.
Best thing about this tactic, you lose nothing, bot loses everything.
--------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.01.21 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 21/01/2011 17:07:58
Originally by: Vincent Athena Did you see in the dev blog about account security that CCP is reverse engineering bot programs? That one statement carries more weight than the entire "raging on" blog.
Also for anyone looking at this thread and thinking "maybe I should get a bot": read that blog on phishing. It says bot programs secretly steal your account info and send it to the bot program writer, or do other nasty stuff to you.
People writing programs for cheating don't stop at cheating in the game, they cheat you too.
Yes, i saw that blog... but i saw many other "words on paper" that remained only that... That words give us hope that something will be done on this subject... but i would like to see results too...
I know that there is not simple solution of this problem... but if you dont do anything, thats approval... and i know that noone wants to be riped-off and/or have competition which you can not mach in any way, simple becouse you have one flaw... you are human... and becouse that many ppl are thinking why to do something that one stupid code can do and beat you in that becouse "it has all the time in the world"... and then that code "gives" ISK to some "elite PVPer" and that PVPer kills you with isk which he stole from you and now its in his ship... Many ppl are feeling stupid becouse of that... and ask themself "whats the piont"... Or simple cash out that ISK in $$$ and than show off with $$$ stolen from CCP and you...
Becouse that there is EULA... and I think that EULA is law... and law must be obeyed and protected... and becouse that i plea to CCP, protect citizens of New Eden and protect New Eden himself becouse i don't want to see EVE Online to become Macros Online.
"Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
Avila Cracko
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 21/01/2011 18:17:13
Originally by: Vincent Athena Did you see in the dev blog about account security that CCP is reverse engineering bot programs? That one statement carries more weight than the entire "raging on" blog.
Also for anyone looking at this thread and thinking "maybe I should get a bot": read that blog on phishing. It says bot programs secretly steal your account info and send it to the bot program writer, or do other nasty stuff to you.
People writing programs for cheating don't stop at cheating in the game, they cheat you too.
Yes, i saw that blog... but i saw many other "words on paper" that remained only that... That words give us hope that something will be done on this subject... but i would like to see results too...
I know that there is not simple solution of this problem... but if you dont do anything, thats approval... and i know that noone wants to be riped-off and/or have competition which you can not mach in any way, simple becouse you have one flaw... you are human... and becouse that many ppl are thinking why to do something that one stupid code can do and beat you in that becouse "it has all the time in the world"... and then that code "gives" ISK to some "elite PVPer" and that PVPer kills you with isk which he stole from you and now its in his ship... Many ppl are feeling stupid becouse of that... and ask themself "whats the piont"... Or simple cash out that ISK in $$$ and than show off with $$$ stolen from CCP and you...
Becouse that there is EULA... and I think that EULA is law... and law must be obeyed and protected... and becouse that i plea to CCP, protect citizens of New Eden and protect New Eden himself becouse i don't want to see EVE Online to become Macros Online.
ill quote myself what i wrote in other post:
Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
I wont worry if botters would not affect my game experiance... but they are...
- the problem is that ore that I mine becouse of bots worth 2 to 3 times less... - the problem is that plex becouse of bots costs 1,5 to 2 times more... - the problem is that I cant even mine that much ore becouse bots mine out belts before i come online... - the problem is that when i kill them they just buy new ship and when they kill me i must earn for new ship... - the problem is that they play the game and dont have to worry about ISK, and i must calculate can i afford to play the game that way or i must wait to play it becouse i dont have ISK for that ship or something... - the problem is that they play the game only when its fun and I must to do less fun parts for longer time becouse of them....
they are ruining the game for real ppl...
signed!!!
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Kappas Katamara
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:19:00 -
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Bumping an important thread.
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Elanor Vega
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:38:00 -
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@ CCP What are you doing on this subject??? there are so many topics on same subject and all we get is one sentence from DEV or in most cases nothing.
can you please tell us are you doing anything and can we expect results of it, and maybe when??? |
Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 23/01/2011 18:40:32 Ok. It's official.
This thread is now officially the "Tea Party of Eve" thread. You guys whine at CCP just about as much as the Tea Partiers do at Obama.
EDIT: Also, once again, "fed" |
Ancalagon DorDaedeloth
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 23/01/2011 18:40:32 Ok. It's official.
This thread is now officially the "Tea Party of Eve" thread. You guys whine at CCP just about as much as the Tea Partiers do at Obama.
EDIT: Also, once again, "fed"
I like teaBetter than licking the slime off the Socialist Popsicle
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Yavanna Akallabeth
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:28:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Ancalagon DorDaedeloth
Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 23/01/2011 18:40:32 Ok. It's official.
This thread is now officially the "Tea Party of Eve" thread. You guys whine at CCP just about as much as the Tea Partiers do at Obama.
EDIT: Also, once again, "fed"
I like teaBetter than licking the slime off the Socialist Popsicle
Now now madame be nice, you old hag.
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Elanor Vega
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Posted - 2011.01.24 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Elanor Vega on 24/01/2011 10:41:50
Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 23/01/2011 18:40:32 Ok. It's official.
This thread is now officially the "Tea Party of Eve" thread. You guys whine at CCP just about as much as the Tea Partiers do at Obama.
EDIT: Also, once again, "fed"
and what are you? Obamas Secretary for Public Relations?
you dont need to read this if you dont want to but you cant say that there isnt a big problem.
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:07:00 -
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We need to destroy all bots!!
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Marlona Sky
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:37:00 -
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Sure is a **** ton of macro haulers in low sec.
Yeah and before you go giving me the same line of "If you suspect someone... blah, blah" and then link the petition thing. I have petitioned my ass off. So has a bunch of others. CCP has done nothing and we still have the same macro haulers for a year now.
Get off your ass and do something about these bots already you lazy ****s!
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Shakira MILF
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Sure is a **** ton of macro haulers in low sec.
Yeah and before you go giving me the same line of "If you suspect someone... blah, blah" and then link the petition thing. I have petitioned my ass off. So has a bunch of others. CCP has done nothing and we still have the same macro haulers for a year now.
Get off your ass and do something about these bots already you lazy ****s!
Frankly I don't believe CCP will ever fix this...
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Torquemada Credo
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:27:00 -
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Botters dont care, marcoing is becoming more common and legit in mmorgs.
As for RMT, big giant who cares, CCP have taken over that market with plexes. So I really cant see the issue with it anymore. Its true it borks the economy, but if CCP are flooding the market with fake isk, why should I care if others are.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:29:00 -
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Hey guys, I've come up with a better solution that might end the macro invasion.
Please read my thread on this and give a +1 or -1 to it...the more people respond, the better chance CCP has to fix it.
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Dev Jah
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Posted - 2011.01.25 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Torquemada Credo As for RMT, big giant who cares, CCP have taken over that market with plexes. So I really cant see the issue with it anymore. Its true it borks the economy, but if CCP are flooding the market with fake isk, why should I care if others are.
RMT is financed by bots which flood the market with ISK/loot/minerals. PLEX does not flood the market as such, buying/trading PLEX does not create any isk/minerals.
Originally by: NinjaSpud Edited by: NinjaSpud on 24/01/2011 21:10:17 Hey guys, I've come up with a better solution that might end the macro invasion.
Please read my thread on this and give a +1 or -1 to it...the more people respond, the better chance CCP has to fix it.
(so as i dont get pointed at for double posting) EDIT: Are people actually brave enough to discuss their use of macros in game? check it out
Seems like some good ideas regarding mining.
But it wouldn't really help with the botting issue as a whole, as there are bots that can run missions, rat as well. I don't know how much harder it is to set up a bot running missions/ratting vs mining. But I figure if there are a lot of players who suddenly lost their means of free income they would soon find another way. So CCP would have to take care of that part of the game as well, if it even is possible to make certain aspects of the game unbotable.
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Q aa's Vassal
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Posted - 2011.01.25 04:24:00 -
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/noice kill all bots!
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Avila Cracko
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Posted - 2011.01.25 13:45:00 -
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many people say that this or that would not work, maybe it wont 100% but thats not excuse for not doing anything!!!
DO SOMETHING
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rock crawlermne
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread
bump it up!!!
EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this.
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