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Aquila Draco	Posted - 2011.01.26 12:49:00 - [661] Originally by: rock crawlermne Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread bump it up!!! EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this. I am afraid that this thread is on CCPs ignore list... :(
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.01.26 12:59:00 - [662] Originally by: Aquila Draco Originally by: rock crawlermne Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread bump it up!!! EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this. I am afraid that this thread is on CCPs ignore list... :( Nah. I'm sure they're keeping an eye on it... its just every time someone enters the thread they cloak or log off. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.26 13:04:00 - [663] Edited by: Sophia Amelia Stone on 26/01/2011 13:05:04 Originally by: rock crawlermne Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread bump it up!!! EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this. This thread 22 pages long 50,057 views and a creation date of 05-12-2010. Rate the avatar above thread, 83 pages long 71,630 views and a creation date of only 19-01-2011. Seems that this thread does not make such an impact as you seem to think. Note: Figures used correct at time of gathering the information to use in this post (which was shortly before posting).
Superpossee	Posted - 2011.01.26 13:10:00 - [664] That is because all has been said. No point in repeating over and over again. All that matters is to keep the thread on top so people esp. newcomers who read this forum get informed about cheating in eve until CCP finally stops tolerating botting.
L A G Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.26 13:13:00 - [665] Looks like sansha are actually putting and effort in killing botters and RMT
Severian Carnifex Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.26 13:29:00 - [666] Originally by: L A G Looks like sansha are actually putting and effort in killing botters and RMT But incursions are only in few systems of EVE... and bots in other systems are working fine... :( and there are many many systems in EVE...
Rin Vires Gallente RinCorp	Posted - 2011.01.26 13:39:00 - [667] Originally by: L A G Looks like sansha are actually putting and effort in killing botters and RMT LMAO, that thread is awesome. Botter tears... ain't nothing better. --- You're in the topic. Topic is in the forum. Troll is in the forum.
DTMKnight	Posted - 2011.01.26 14:16:00 - [668] Killing the bots sounds good to me. +1 Sansha I'm all for CCP actually doing something significant to stop botting. If a bot is reported do they actually check then suspend the account of the bot?
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:40:00 - [669] Originally by: DTMKnight Killing the bots sounds good to me. +1 Sansha I'm all for CCP actually doing something significant to stop botting. If a bot is reported do they actually check then suspend the account of the bot? Someone posted a link to a macro site in a locked thread earlier today, after perusing their forums, it seems they only temp-ban the accounts. I don't know what the threshold is for a perma-ban though. They need to revisit that policy and make it perma-ban on the first offense. I can understand why they only temp-ban, but seriously, from reading that forum, it's rediculous what people are getting away with and the amount of isk they're making. It seems CCP also is tracking all the accounts linked to botters and banning those too. My faith in CCPs efforts have been somewhat restored, but seriously they need to rethink their policy on only temp-banning people. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Xylengra	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:46:00 - [670] If you think that CCP is ever going to permaban someone caught botting you need to either get off your meds or get on better ones. Recent online record somethere near 635000 If CCP banned the botters, there would be half or less. While that might appeal to you, it makes absolutely NO business sense to CCP. Facts is facts and no matter what YOU want, this is their game. They are going to keep the subs and say goodbye to the very few that would actually quit over their rage against botters.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:49:00 - [671] Edited by: Barakkus on 26/01/2011 22:50:29 Originally by: Xylengra If you think that CCP is ever going to permaban someone caught botting you need to either get off your meds or get on better ones. Recent online record somethere near 635000 If CCP banned the botters, there would be half or less. While that might appeal to you, it makes absolutely NO business sense to CCP. Facts is facts and no matter what YOU want, this is their game. They are going to keep the subs and say goodbye to the very few that would actually quit over their rage against botters. They do perma-ban but I guess they have a high threshold on it. And a little hint, it's not just me that wants botters banned. You seem to have missed the devblog explaining how botters cause undue load on parts of the cluster they'd rather not have to deal with. When they have to keep upgrading hardware to compensate for increased loads, or they can choose to ban some accounts, the cheaper and more cost effective method would be to ban accounts. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Naya Mae	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:01:00 - [672] Originally by: Xylengra If you think that CCP is ever going to permaban someone caught botting you need to either get off your meds or get on better ones. Recent online record somethere near 635000 If CCP banned the botters, there would be half or less. While that might appeal to you, it makes absolutely NO business sense to CCP. Facts is facts and no matter what YOU want, this is their game. They are going to keep the subs and say goodbye to the very few that would actually quit over their rage against botters. Any reliable source stating that each of us has his/her botter soul in the universe of EVE? P.S.: If all that was true, I would quit over my rage against CCP who does nothing to ban the botters.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:14:00 - [673] Btw, I have more botter character names aside from the once I already posted here. EVE mail me and I'll send you the proof. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:40:00 - [674] Edited by: Vincent Athena on 26/01/2011 23:43:21 Originally by: Naya Mae Originally by: Xylengra If you think that CCP is ever going to permaban someone caught botting you need to either get off your meds or get on better ones. Recent online record somethere near 635000 If CCP banned the botters, there would be half or less. While that might appeal to you, it makes absolutely NO business sense to CCP. Facts is facts and no matter what YOU want, this is their game. They are going to keep the subs and say goodbye to the very few that would actually quit over their rage against botters. Any reliable source stating that each of us has his/her botter soul in the universe of EVE? P.S.: If all that was true, I would quit over my rage against CCP who does nothing to ban the botters. Well, if we take a totally made up case and do the math: Assume 97% of players are playing legally, and average 2.3 hours of play a day, and on average run 1.5 clients. Assume the other 3% are bot users, are on 23 hours a day and on average run 5 bots. Result: About half of those on-line are bots. So a very large fraction of the ships we see could be run by bots, even if a tiny fraction of the subscribers are cheaters. Edit: It also means that we do not really have a player driven economy, we have, to some unknown extent, a cheater driven economy. It also means that if CCP managed to rid the game of bots, their subscription base would not go down much, but server use would go down alot. Also CCP has stated that many bot users use stolen accounts and engage in various fraudulent activities that directly cost CCP money. So why are there still bots? Why has CCP not killed them all? I can only conclude it is in fact a difficult problem. But I sure would like to see some data from CCP showing this to be true.
Jing Toh	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:43:00 - [675] What is this botting you speak of? Are you talking about the macro miners who clear out whole belts and never sleep?
Lellian Marcellus Taron	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:44:00 - [676] I am so glad this thread -- a reminder of how bad spelling is these days -- has made it back to the first page.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:46:00 - [677] I have come up with a clever name for the tea party of Eve. It is the quafe party. Quafers. I'll go with quafers. Close enough. Anywho, "fed"
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:46:00 - [678] Originally by: Jing Toh What is this botting you speak of? Are you talking about the macro miners who clear out whole belts and never sleep? Macro mining, market bots, ratting bots...I didn't think there were market bots, didn't seem to make any sense to me, but I saw some **** that actually enlightened me on the aforementioned forums I perused today. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Crucis Cassiopeiae Amarr PORSCHE AG	Posted - 2011.01.27 10:33:00 - [679] Originally by: Vincent Athena Edited by: Vincent Athena on 26/01/2011 23:43:21 Originally by: Naya Mae Originally by: Xylengra If you think that CCP is ever going to permaban someone caught botting you need to either get off your meds or get on better ones. Recent online record somethere near 635000 If CCP banned the botters, there would be half or less. While that might appeal to you, it makes absolutely NO business sense to CCP. Facts is facts and no matter what YOU want, this is their game. They are going to keep the subs and say goodbye to the very few that would actually quit over their rage against botters. Any reliable source stating that each of us has his/her botter soul in the universe of EVE? P.S.: If all that was true, I would quit over my rage against CCP who does nothing to ban the botters. Well, if we take a totally made up case and do the math: Assume 97% of players are playing legally, and average 2.3 hours of play a day, and on average run 1.5 clients. Assume the other 3% are bot users, are on 23 hours a day and on average run 5 bots. Result: About half of those on-line are bots. So a very large fraction of the ships we see could be run by bots, even if a tiny fraction of the subscribers are cheaters. Edit: It also means that we do not really have a player driven economy, we have, to some unknown extent, a cheater driven economy. It also means that if CCP managed to rid the game of bots, their subscription base would not go down much, but server use would go down alot. Also CCP has stated that many bot users use stolen accounts and engage in various fraudulent activities that directly cost CCP money. So why are there still bots? Why has CCP not killed them all? I can only conclude it is in fact a difficult problem. But I sure would like to see some data from CCP showing this to be true. :((( so EVE-online has become MACROS-online... and how can CCP say that this is player driven economy??? new advertise: EVE-online - the best macros driven economy!!! "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes"
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:11:00 - [680] Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae new advertise: EVE-online - the best macros driven economy!!! lol
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:15:00 - [681] Originally by: Vincent Athena It also means that if CCP managed to rid the game of bots, their subscription base would not go down much, but server use would go down alot. Also CCP has stated that many bot users use stolen accounts and engage in various fraudulent activities that directly cost CCP money. So why are there still bots? Why has CCP not killed them all? I can only conclude it is in fact a difficult problem. You are looking at the same situation as was described in fight club. If the lost profit from killing a bot account off is more than the cost of tidying up after the bot. You don't kill the bot. So if the mining bot is just sat there grunting away behaving itself and not directly annoying anyone... it's unlikely anything bad will happen to it. It's simple business sense and with 700? employees around the world... you don't really want to hack away parts of the cash cow. So whilst "Unholy Rage" and "We (temp)banned X bots, look at our server stats now" make good PR, everyone knows they'll be back, accepts they'll be back and actually hopes they'll be back due to the subscription cost; even if all the bots PLEX that just offsets the ú14 to someone else, it doesn't mean 'play for free'.
Aquila Draco	Posted - 2011.01.27 14:13:00 - [682] Edited by: Aquila Draco on 27/01/2011 14:13:36 Originally by: L A G Looks like sansha are actually putting and effort in killing botters and RMT but the thing is... all macros are updated by now or will be in few days... and they are back in business... this expansion can't stop macros... sadly...
Crucis Cassiopeiae Amarr PORSCHE AG	Posted - 2011.01.27 15:46:00 - [683] Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 27/01/2011 15:46:58 Originally by: Sophia Amelia Stone Edited by: Sophia Amelia Stone on 26/01/2011 13:05:04 Originally by: rock crawlermne Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread bump it up!!! EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this. This thread 22 pages long 50,057 views and a creation date of 05-12-2010. Rate the avatar above thread, 83 pages long 71,630 views and a creation date of only 19-01-2011. Seems that this thread does not make such an impact as you seem to think. Note: Figures used correct at time of gathering the information to use in this post (which was shortly before posting). Just saw this... please add up together all posts on this subject and you will see how many threads, pages, posts, views this subject has in all sub forums... and ppl are fed of writing the same things over and over again over years and they still write about botting... and threads about new avatars are here now, when this is new thing, and only now... "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes"
Severian Carnifex Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.27 18:59:00 - [684] I would like to point you all to one thread that i found in Assembly Hall: [Reality Check] Bots, Macros and CCP follow the link and support the cause if you think that "next CSM should bring this situation to the table and ask why is CCP openly allowing bots to flourish"
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:33:00 - [685] Question about null bots, if it's so obvious where they are and big empires are using them to fund their wars why do their enemies let this happen? EG is it really beyond the means of the NC or IT to flood areas with afk cloakers and pick off bots at random? I would have thought that this would make military sense. Apologies if this is a naive question, I have a serious aversion to poses, cap ships and blindly following orders so know very little about the current state of sov warfare.
Larz Eldherjur Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.27 23:50:00 - [686] Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 21/01/2011 18:17:13 Originally by: Vincent Athena Did you see in the dev blog about account security that CCP is reverse engineering bot programs? That one statement carries more weight than the entire "raging on" blog. Also for anyone looking at this thread and thinking "maybe I should get a bot": read that blog on phishing. It says bot programs secretly steal your account info and send it to the bot program writer, or do other nasty stuff to you. People writing programs for cheating don't stop at cheating in the game, they cheat you too. Yes, i saw that blog... but i saw many other "words on paper" that remained only that... That words give us hope that something will be done on this subject... but i would like to see results too... I know that there is not simple solution of this problem... but if you dont do anything, thats approval... and i know that noone wants to be riped-off and/or have competition which you can not mach in any way, simple becouse you have one flaw... you are human... and becouse that many ppl are thinking why to do something that one stupid code can do and beat you in that becouse "it has all the time in the world"... and then that code "gives" ISK to some "elite PVPer" and that PVPer kills you with isk which he stole from you and now its in his ship... Many ppl are feeling stupid becouse of that... and ask themself "whats the piont"... Or simple cash out that ISK in $$$ and than show off with $$$ stolen from CCP and you... Becouse that there is EULA... and I think that EULA is law... and law must be obeyed and protected... and becouse that i plea to CCP, protect citizens of New Eden and protect New Eden himself becouse i don't want to see EVE Online to become Macros Online. ill quote myself what i wrote in other post: Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae I wont worry if botters would not affect my game experiance... but they are... - the problem is that ore that I mine becouse of bots worth 2 to 3 times less... - the problem is that plex becouse of bots costs 1,5 to 2 times more... - the problem is that I cant even mine that much ore becouse bots mine out belts before i come online... - the problem is that when i kill them they just buy new ship and when they kill me i must earn for new ship... - the problem is that they play the game and dont have to worry about ISK, and i must calculate can i afford to play the game that way or i must wait to play it becouse i dont have ISK for that ship or something... - the problem is that they play the game only when its fun and I must to do less fun parts for longer time becouse of them.... they are ruining the game for real ppl... Signed!
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.28 05:32:00 - [687] Originally by: yani dumyat Question about null bots, if it's so obvious where they are and big empires are using them to fund their wars why do their enemies let this happen? EG is it really beyond the means of the NC or IT to flood areas with afk cloakers and pick off bots at random? I would have thought that this would make military sense. Apologies if this is a naive question, I have a serious aversion to poses, cap ships and blindly following orders so know very little about the current state of sov warfare. This isnt some sleepy third world farmer working for pennies. Bots seem to be highly advanced and defeating a good one is next to impossible. Which is pointless anyway because the idiot has 20-50 extra in reserve. Incursions are going to help but we need more to stop this madness. The way min prices and suggested massive bot fleets are going... Capship defeats will mean almost nothing.
Murtal Liven	Posted - 2011.01.28 06:25:00 - [688] lol im sorry I was looking at this OP guy he has a cool moustache and didnt read the rest of the thread
Pesadel0 the muppets RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:12:00 - [689] Originally by: Murtal Liven lol im sorry I was looking at this OP guy he has a cool moustache and didnt read the rest of the thread Thank you for the free bump.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:24:00 - [690] CCP wil ldo a minimum only when it affects their bottom line maybe a permanent hulkageddon

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