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Letifer Deus
Project Nemesis WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.12.16 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Given equally skilled pilots, it doesn't make any sense for 80 capsuleers to load up in T1 frigates that are worth < 1% of their clone cost - let alone implants.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.12.16 06:56:00 -
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Fun fact, the overall usage of BCs over BSs is 2,5:1 which is kinda low given all the Drake swarms about lately.
So what is the problem again, battleships disappearing? Obviously not, if anything they are heavily used given all their disadvantages.
We are not seriously arguing the biggest sub-cap should be the most used, and at the same time complaining about capital vs subcap usage, are we?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Fun fact, the overall usage of BCs over BSs is 2,5:1 which is kinda low given all the Drake swarms about lately.
So what is the problem again, battleships disappearing? Obviously not, if anything they are heavily used given all their disadvantages.
We are not seriously arguing the biggest sub-cap should be the most used, and at the same time complaining about capital vs subcap usage, are we?
Pray tell what the statistics are for small gang combat.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Pray tell what the statistics are for small gang combat.
Its overall, so that includes small gang combat. As for a specific small gang combat statistic, I dont have one, but one can only hope that its a lot more towards the smaller hulls there.
Unless we want to advocate increased capital usage in small gang combat at the same time
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Marak Mocam
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian I too am a BS aficionado. My take on the best way to fix BSes is multifaceted:
First, give them all 3 more slots. Yes even if it means a 6 midslot geddon.
Second, buff scan resolution base values by 100%.
Third, increase drone bay sizes by 100%, but not the drone bandwidth.
Finally, let them fit a modular Jump Drive that has a range similar to BO range. But let it lock on to a star in addition to a cyno.
Bad mix there and way off the mark. Also, too generic with respect to drones. "let everything be better drone boats" -- nope.
If you want a change that might make them "oddly different" -- Try removing the weapons bonus limits.
Example "Large <weapon type>" becomes "<weapon type>" bonus. Same with other systems like that -- missiles for all missile systems...
Odd but they'd bonus all small, medium or large weapons fit on the hull. Let's see your smaller ships close in to find a battleship packing all small guns because they know it's a frigate/destroyer gang hunting area or the like.
No major change in other ways, let them load up with whatever weapon system of <type> allowed -- just without the size limit on them. Shock value or special fit purpose... BS's would have some potentially interesting fits from such a change and being heavier tanked...
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afkalt
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Posted - 2010.12.16 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Fun fact, the overall usage of BCs over BSs is 2,5:1 which is kinda low given all the Drake swarms about lately.
So what is the problem again, battleships disappearing? Obviously not, if anything they are heavily used given all their disadvantages.
We are not seriously arguing the biggest sub-cap should be the most used, and at the same time complaining about capital vs subcap usage, are we?[/q uote]
Forgive my ignorance, but do your stats include all the mission runners?
If they do, it'll be massively skewed.
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.19 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Pray tell what the statistics are for small gang combat.
Its overall, so that includes small gang combat. As for a specific small gang combat statistic, I dont have one, but one can only hope that its a lot more towards the smaller hulls there.
Unless we want to advocate increased capital usage in small gang combat at the same time
I doubt this(it is like 10 bcs per BS), and we run very BS heavy down here. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.12.19 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Omara Otawan Fun fact, the overall usage of BCs over BSs is 2,5:1 which is kinda low given all the Drake swarms about lately.
So what is the problem again, battleships disappearing? Obviously not, if anything they are heavily used given all their disadvantages.
We are not seriously arguing the biggest sub-cap should be the most used, and at the same time complaining about capital vs subcap usage, are we?
Pray tell what the statistics are for small gang combat.
-Liang
To be fair, Liang, the BS is a "fleet mainstay" whereas I would say the BC/HAC is the mainstay of small gangs.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.20 06:05:00 -
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As the Drake Craze is slowing because Certain ALli`s have shown how easy it is for proper fit and flown BS`s to wipe them out even to 2 to 1 odds this thread is becoming proved more wrong each day.
Now we have official Goons fit to be 1400 arty Maels/Pest, PL to be Abby`s, Evoke still using its Arty fleets. Basically the BS was dying not because its huge disadvantages but more because peoples perceptions, Eve is like the stock market where 1 rumor gets out and is heavily talked about perception makes it so.
For instance 1 guy loves the drake and gets his Carebears who normally dont PVP to get in proper fits they do well compared to what they used to do, partially because its a great ship but also because they now have a standard fit and are paying attention to what they are fitting, they now thinks its superior and tell everyone, then someone see`s the KB`s and see`s how a normally CareBear alli did very well. 3 weeks later a ton of players new and old have similiar fits and do very well. And it keeps going and going.
In Eve if you fit any large group of ships that are decent and fit them all the sameit usually is alot more effective than taking a great ship and fitting them all a differant way.
The Drake was easy to fit, purchase and fly and this made it even more effective but was by no means the end all be all.
Now that people in Eve fly a ton of them the pilots who fly BS`s that are rigged to fight and beat drakes will get great KB STats and soon we will have a BS`s need to be Nerf`d threads. Eve is about adapting through change of trends, CH for instance was Shield for a while in the begining then Armor and towards the end 50/50 and they did remarkable things using all 3, Ships didnt change but trends did, so they Took things like Hacs and fought BS`s when BS were king, BC`s to fight Hacs when Hacs became king, SC`s to beat Titans etc.
The BS is safe IMO, peeps just need to realise they cant fight Solo ,in them unless its a very small number of them like the Tempest, Phoon Etc. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:33:00 -
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Limit the amount of ECM modules a ship can activate on a target to one. In that way ecm ships stay the same in gang versus gang combat but can't go "lol ima put 5 jammers on that ship for permajam".
Also combine eccm module effect into another module or give eccm modules another bonus. Sensor boosters/Capacitor boosters/Tracking computers all have multiple uses while ECCM only has one, and even then needs multiple modules to work even decently.
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Kingwood
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.20 12:26:00 -
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This thread is pretty homosexual.
I fly the Hurricane almost exclusively, with a smattering of Machariel, Tempest and Rupture thrown in. It's all about speed nowadays, cuz after the nano nerf speed is more important than ever if you want to engage gangs solo.
Pilot skill (not the character SPs) also play a very important role - I've killed ******ed Canes in a Rupture, and there are enough people who fly Solo Blaster BS successfully, so please refer to the first sentence in my post again.
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.20 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Starstrider Curious what kind of fit you using to get 94K out of a drake? with worth mentioning DPS and tackle and an MWD?
Here have fun took all 45 seconds to put together.
DCU II RCU II BCU II X 2
LSE II X2 Yt8 MWD Photon Scattering II Invul II Scram II
rigs CDFE x 3
HAM II all the way empty high make it a heat sink if you like with something. Stats 462 missile only DPS with CN Terror plust the drones should you choose so fits with no implants on the all level 5 toon EHP 95 420 with the em holy plugged at 78 % with the lowest resist thermal at 63.2. so Tackle check mwd check 94 k HP + check
If you insist on a scram + web you have to make of course compromises but If you drop one of the LSEII's and use pdu instead of the RCU you will get almost 80k EHP with t2 web and scram, while having same offense. Have fun
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NiiKleagh
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Posted - 2010.12.20 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm As the Drake Craze is slowing because Certain ALli`s have shown how easy it is for proper fit and flown BS`s to wipe them out even to 2 to 1 odds this thread is becoming proved more wrong each day.
Now we have official Goons fit to be 1400 arty Maels/Pest, PL to be Abby`s, Evoke still using its Arty fleets. Basically the BS was dying not because its huge disadvantages but more because peoples perceptions, Eve is like the stock market where 1 rumor gets out and is heavily talked about perception makes it so.
For instance 1 guy loves the drake and gets his Carebears who normally dont PVP to get in proper fits they do well compared to what they used to do, partially because its a great ship but also because they now have a standard fit and are paying attention to what they are fitting, they now thinks its superior and tell everyone, then someone see`s the KB`s and see`s how a normally CareBear alli did very well. 3 weeks later a ton of players new and old have similiar fits and do very well. And it keeps going and going.
In Eve if you fit any large group of ships that are decent and fit them all the sameit usually is alot more effective than taking a great ship and fitting them all a differant way.
The Drake was easy to fit, purchase and fly and this made it even more effective but was by no means the end all be all.
Now that people in Eve fly a ton of them the pilots who fly BS`s that are rigged to fight and beat drakes will get great KB STats and soon we will have a BS`s need to be Nerf`d threads. Eve is about adapting through change of trends, CH for instance was Shield for a while in the begining then Armor and towards the end 50/50 and they did remarkable things using all 3, Ships didnt change but trends did, so they Took things like Hacs and fought BS`s when BS were king, BC`s to fight Hacs when Hacs became king, SC`s to beat Titans etc.
The BS is safe IMO, peeps just need to realise they cant fight Solo ,in them unless its a very small number of them like the Tempest, Phoon Etc.
This guy has plenty of time in EVE, lol. Well said.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2010.12.20 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Pray tell what the statistics are for small gang combat.
Its overall, so that includes small gang combat.
Well if it includes all the BS running L4 missions in high sec it's not that useful a metric.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2010.12.20 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 20/12/2010 19:05:57
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Hotdropping is the most carebear form of pvp ever invented in this game.
I wouldn't be sad to see it pretty much go by the wayside entirely.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.20 19:23:00 -
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The more I think about the whole cap fleet mobility idea and cyno mechanics, the more I realize it was a bad idea. CCP could have thought of something better.
The basic idea of long range instant teleportation of military units wrecks havoc on strategy and tactics.
Battleships are effected most by it simply cause they are easiest ships to tackle. But any expensive ship that's tackled for more than 5 seconds suffers the same vulnerability.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.12.20 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Pray tell what the statistics are for small gang combat.
Its overall, so that includes small gang combat.
Well if it includes all the BS running L4 missions in high sec it's not that useful a metric.
As long as these mission running BSs generate player killmails, why would that not be useful? I severly doubt that there are more than a few dozen of them in there though.
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Seishi Maru
Organization for Nuclear Research
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Posted - 2010.12.20 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Even now, the only really good battleships to fly in small gangs are those that bring extra utility to the fight - the aforementioned Tempest with its two utility highs, the Scorpion, etc. I think at this point, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies:
-Liang
Damm liang.. you know Temepst is not a battleship! Its a BC that ate too much and got fat!
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d00m2
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Posted - 2010.12.21 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm As the Drake Craze is slowing because Certain ALli`s have shown how easy it is for proper fit and flown BS`s to wipe them out even to 2 to 1 odds this thread is becoming proved more wrong each day.
Now we have official Goons fit to be 1400 arty Maels/Pest, PL to be Abby`s, Evoke still using its Arty fleets. Basically the BS was dying not because its huge disadvantages but more because peoples perceptions, Eve is like the stock market where 1 rumor gets out and is heavily talked about perception makes it so.
For instance 1 guy loves the drake and gets his Carebears who normally dont PVP to get in proper fits they do well compared to what they used to do, partially because its a great ship but also because they now have a standard fit and are paying attention to what they are fitting, they now thinks its superior and tell everyone, then someone see`s the KB`s and see`s how a normally CareBear alli did very well. 3 weeks later a ton of players new and old have similiar fits and do very well. And it keeps going and going.
In Eve if you fit any large group of ships that are decent and fit them all the sameit usually is alot more effective than taking a great ship and fitting them all a differant way.
The Drake was easy to fit, purchase and fly and this made it even more effective but was by no means the end all be all.
Now that people in Eve fly a ton of them the pilots who fly BS`s that are rigged to fight and beat drakes will get great KB STats and soon we will have a BS`s need to be Nerf`d threads. Eve is about adapting through change of trends, CH for instance was Shield for a while in the begining then Armor and towards the end 50/50 and they did remarkable things using all 3, Ships didnt change but trends did, so they Took things like Hacs and fought BS`s when BS were king, BC`s to fight Hacs when Hacs became king, SC`s to beat Titans etc.
The BS is safe IMO, peeps just need to realise they cant fight Solo ,in them unless its a very small number of them like the Tempest, Phoon Etc.
How do the Goons and Evoke 1400 Arty fleets work? I can't see how they'd stand up to a typical Amarr BS/Guardian fleet. If the Mael/Temp fleet is armor, it will have a smaller tank and less damage. If the fleet is shield, it'd have a huge EM hole typically going up against pure EM damage.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.21 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron The more I think about the whole cap fleet mobility idea and cyno mechanics, the more I realize it was a bad idea. CCP could have thought of something better.
The basic idea of long range instant teleportation of military units wrecks havoc on strategy and tactics.
Battleships are effected most by it simply cause they are easiest ships to tackle. But any expensive ship that's tackled for more than 5 seconds suffers the same vulnerability.
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Cailais
Amarr Random Pirate's
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Posted - 2010.12.21 15:06:00 -
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DHB Wildcat's comments here seem remarkably similar to the complaints directed against nano fits back in the day. In that forum war BS pilots complained they couldn't hit or tackle smaller ships.
And here we are again.
I think a pertinent question that needs to be asked is - why should the Battleship be a favoured ship class in EVE. What makes that ship class 'special'?
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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mama guru
Gallente Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.21 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: mama guru on 21/12/2010 16:21:00 Edited by: mama guru on 21/12/2010 16:19:58
Originally by: Kail Storm Stuff
Exactly, as more people learn that while Drakes have respectable EHP they dont posess the huge buffer or alpha dps a maelstrom fleet can provide. Which is why Maelstroms/abaddons are becoming drake counters. 20 maelstroms will overpower any buffer tank fit out there and its just that simple.
The drake became the staple ship due to the rampant use of muninn/Zealot AB fits in fleets. The EHP and missiles of the drake effectively countered the evasive anti turret strategy of the armor hac gangs at a more skill and cost effective level. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Gabriel Karade
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.12.21 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade Ah good to see some ærevisionistÆ history being passed around.
Smaller ships did perfectly fine even when the last remaining æproperÆ solo BS (i.e. Blasters/ACÆs) were viable due to 90% webs. Even then, they [solo BS] were not solopwnmobiles due to mobility issues and vulnerability to getting caught, oh and getting EWÆd to death. In fact in the run up to the speed changes they werenÆt very popular at all û most people plumping for turbocharged nano-HACÆs.
ôblah blah Battleships shouldnÆt fly soloö û then pray tell, what is the point of a Large blaster, with a comparable range to most cruiser weapons and need to fully grapple a target to hit it?...
Still waiting for an answer....
TBH if the original close-range BS hadn't been knee-capped we wouldn't be having this discussion - short range fits were useless for big fleets, but pretty good on the smaller scale stuff, particularly with a good pilot at the helm 'baiting' small groups of smaller ships in close. Those were really fun days. --------------
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.21 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
I think a pertinent question that needs to be asked is - why should the Battleship be a favoured ship class in EVE. What makes that ship class 'special'?
I'm going to turn this question around: why should the battleship be the only subcapital ship that is excluded from small gang combat? Furthermore, why should ships and weapons systems which are obviously geared towards small gang combat be excluded from it?
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Joss56
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan As long as these mission running BSs generate player killmails, why would that not be useful? I severly doubt that there are more than a few dozen of them in there though.
Looked out at EULA and GAME rules, can't find anything about what you are talking about.
Where is said that BS purpose is to make kilmails? That's the point you're missing, there's no reason to fly them in other conditions than snipelolzboulz.
All youre comments and ideas suggest is to fly T3 improbable ships, great...
...or not. ________________________________________________
"You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
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Cailais
Amarr Random Pirate's
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cailais
I think a pertinent question that needs to be asked is - why should the Battleship be a favoured ship class in EVE. What makes that ship class 'special'?
I'm going to turn this question around: why should the battleship be the only subcapital ship that is excluded from small gang combat? Furthermore, why should ships and weapons systems which are obviously geared towards small gang combat be excluded from it?
-Liang
Well Im not 100% convinced BS are excluded from small gang combat but it is probably true to say they sit in the 'mid point' between small gang ops, and large fleets and capital fights. Like any median, or comprimise, they might not excell in both arenas but they can compete in either. Thats quite a bit of flexibility in one hull.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: d00m2
How do the Goons and Evoke 1400 Arty fleets work? I can't see how they'd stand up to a typical Amarr BS/Guardian fleet. If the Mael/Temp fleet is armor, it will have a smaller tank and less damage. If the fleet is shield, it'd have a huge EM hole typically going up against pure EM damage.
Well like all things there are counters, Do Abby`s do well against Mael`s absolutely, but the real genius behind the Arty fits is its ability to kill the enemys Logi`s before they can rep them.
For instance lets just pretend there is a even numbers battle with opposite setups.
50 Abbys 20 Gaurdians vs 50 Maels 20 Scimmis
Since Pulse Abby`s dont have huge volleys the enemy repper/Scimmi has not only the 10 secs of locking lightup [Time it takes them to all lock you up] but also they are doing a few K VOlleys worth DMG from a BS Weapon, so since all 50 wont be in postition and on time lets say 20 Hit the target, in theory because tracking and reps it could survive, and a enemy BS will certainly survive.
From the opposite every 16 Secs the Mael`s will spit out 10kish alpha lets cutt in half because tracking, so 5kx20 Maels is 100k Alpha this has almost 0 chance of survival, and against a BS will hit for full DMG so a minimum of 200k.
So while the Abby`s will do well, the Maels will have lower resists to EM remeber that Arty boats can switch DMG Types but more importantly will kill a ton of Logi off.
The tactics change in Arty fleets you kill off there Logi`s 1st and with Abby`s its better to kill there Closest or best positioned BS`s. So on paper with good FC`s arty fleets have better chances esp in lag fests because sometimes guns dont cycle or by the time they do enemy can be out of range, so its smarter to pt all DMG at once, plus as I have said it kills RR or Logi.
And once that 50/20 fleet becomes 50/10 or 50/5 and the Maels still have 20 Logis even though tthey have lost a few BS`s those 20 Logi`s have kept them alive for longer since its steady DMG VS Huge Buffer overwhelming DMG. Lastly they are Fast and have better range, so you can burn sideways and open distance.
But my main point was Arty vs Drakes, since BS`s have bigger Buffers as a whole you can cripple Logi`s of Drake gang and then pick them apart, basically your side will still be heavy Logi`d vs there now light logi.
TL:DR Overwhelming there buffers is the key to breaking Logi supported fleets, and nothing is bettter esp in lag than Arty. The only thing close is Pulse Abby`s because there massive 225k EHP tanks are hard to break. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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d00m2
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Posted - 2010.12.21 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: d00m2
How do the Goons and Evoke 1400 Arty fleets work? I can't see how they'd stand up to a typical Amarr BS/Guardian fleet. If the Mael/Temp fleet is armor, it will have a smaller tank and less damage. If the fleet is shield, it'd have a huge EM hole typically going up against pure EM damage.
Well like all things there are counters, Do Abby`s do well against Mael`s absolutely, but the real genius behind the Arty fits is its ability to kill the enemys Logi`s before they can rep them.
For instance lets just pretend there is a even numbers battle with opposite setups.
50 Abbys 20 Gaurdians vs 50 Maels 20 Scimmis
Since Pulse Abby`s dont have huge volleys the enemy repper/Scimmi has not only the 10 secs of locking lightup [Time it takes them to all lock you up] but also they are doing a few K VOlleys worth DMG from a BS Weapon, so since all 50 wont be in postition and on time lets say 20 Hit the target, in theory because tracking and reps it could survive, and a enemy BS will certainly survive.
From the opposite every 16 Secs the Mael`s will spit out 10kish alpha lets cutt in half because tracking, so 5kx20 Maels is 100k Alpha this has almost 0 chance of survival, and against a BS will hit for full DMG so a minimum of 200k.
So while the Abby`s will do well, the Maels will have lower resists to EM remeber that Arty boats can switch DMG Types but more importantly will kill a ton of Logi off.
The tactics change in Arty fleets you kill off there Logi`s 1st and with Abby`s its better to kill there Closest or best positioned BS`s. So on paper with good FC`s arty fleets have better chances esp in lag fests because sometimes guns dont cycle or by the time they do enemy can be out of range, so its smarter to pt all DMG at once, plus as I have said it kills RR or Logi.
And once that 50/20 fleet becomes 50/10 or 50/5 and the Maels still have 20 Logis even though tthey have lost a few BS`s those 20 Logi`s have kept them alive for longer since its steady DMG VS Huge Buffer overwhelming DMG. Lastly they are Fast and have better range, so you can burn sideways and open distance.
But my main point was Arty vs Drakes, since BS`s have bigger Buffers as a whole you can cripple Logi`s of Drake gang and then pick them apart, basically your side will still be heavy Logi`d vs there now light logi.
TL:DR Overwhelming there buffers is the key to breaking Logi supported fleets, and nothing is bettter esp in lag than Arty. The only thing close is Pulse Abby`s because there massive 225k EHP tanks are hard to break.
Thank you for the explanation; I don't have access to that type of warfare but I'm always very curious. Do the Arty fleets use Scimitars or Basilisks?
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battlejuice
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Posted - 2010.12.22 09:13:00 -
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I saw one option mentioned here that I really like and that is to change bs's bonus from big guns to all guns, so you can fit anti frig or cruiser bs setup with the ships bonus and so make them more interesting.
You can even fly them solo again and with this they wont be overpowered either.
Please ccp change this and make it fun to use bs's
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2010.12.22 09:35:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cailais
I think a pertinent question that needs to be asked is - why should the Battleship be a favoured ship class in EVE. What makes that ship class 'special'?
I'm going to turn this question around: why should the battleship be the only subcapital ship that is excluded from small gang combat? Furthermore, why should ships and weapons systems which are obviously geared towards small gang combat be excluded from it?
-Liang
I agree with some of your opinions but still don't understand how exactly you see "fixed" BS
why are there so few BS in small gangs? because eve is full with huge blobs, so ability to f**k off is crucial for skirmish gangs, while fat ass battleships are not good for it. frankly I don't know if this issue is fixable and I'm not sure that this is issue at all. roaming in a battleship is strange.
you were also comparing BS and BC. I agree that price/performance is much better for BC, but one thing to consider is that BS will 90% of time will kill a BC. it is true for 1v1, 5v5, 30v30 fights and so on. I am talking about standard fits and competent pilots not faction mods pvp fitted cane vs ratting raven.
and also note that roaming BC-s are usually shield+nano while most alliances armor fit their battleships thus turning them into immobile bricks. it is understandable, very few BS can be effectively nanoed while armor BC-s like cane, harby are usable while shield tanked
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