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Xessej	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Schmacos tryne Since one question already been asked but not answered I take the liberty to put it a little clearer in 2 short questions: WHAT ABOUT THE 72 SP/h NERF???? WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING THAT THIS IS A X-MAS PRESENT WHEN IN FACT IT'S A SOLID GFYHITA FOR PLAYERS WHO DID FINNISH THE MOTHER**ING TY MALNEUTRICIANT GOD DAM UGLY / EXPENSIVE CRAPPY **SKILLS THAT THEY ARE? If this is a christmas present, it would have to be in back-wards land, where santa climbs down the chimney to steal all the toys for the sleeping children. What a jerk eh? Some x-mas this is.... Contact CCP in June 2019. That's when the sp reimbursement will fall behind the 72 sp/hour difference. I'm sure they'll be happy to do something for you then.
Odelya d'Hanguest 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:31:00 - [92] Thank you, Mike deVoid, your numbers are much appreciated! And thanks for the Q&A! And for those 72 sp/h whiners I hope that in 8.5 years theyÆll get over it...
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:34:00 - [93] screw the 8,5 years. The reimbursment does not count since I already did those SP (At reduced training speed mind you!) so as of 14'th I will receive SP slower then I did before 14'th. Nothing to argue about and spare me the theories and bullsacks. You whiners have won and get your learning skills for free, now I get to rage about it! I suggest you get your cups and whatnot and collect tears or whatever you forum pro's call it.
mjed mazga These are not the droids you're looking for Beyond Ascension	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:35:00 - [94] Originally by: Trina Carmen honestly this is a good change for 99% of eve player's and will improve the new player base why don't you get over yourself and look at the big picture. I'm one of the people who will be affected by the loss of 72 SP/hour optimal skill training speed, and on multiple accounts. I admit to being fairly upset that yes, I did train all 5.3 million of those skillpoints at SUB-OPTIMAL sp/hour training speeds, and yes, even though I now get to reallocate them elsewhere, the 8 year argument does not hold water because of the sub-optimal training speeds I endured to max out my attributes. It hurts, and CCP should come out and say so. They don't have to fix it but it's the right thing to do to at least acknowledge it. Do the right thing, CCP. Please. HOWEVER, here's how I have justified the changes to myself and how these changes will affect me long-term: I have a lot of alts, and on even my mains, I have a couple of toons which have skills trained, and which I would like to train a couple more skills. Now I will be able to train them at optimal SP/hour levels far exceeding that which was previously possible (since I would never have trained all lvl5 learning skills on them). This, in the end, is where the change benefits us lvl5 learning skill people. The time we will save in training on new accounts or new toons versus the past will make it worth it. In the end, however, it is about 700k SP per year that you are losing, so roughly 2 weeks of skill training time, and for CCP, it comes down to money and now they are going to make an extra few bucks every year off everyone, even their most loyal, devoted, long-term customers like myself and others who have trained all learnings to V. Please accept the change as a good one, but please CCP, acknowledge that you have hurt us. At least give us that.
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:37:00 - [95] To those ***ing about that 72 sp per hour.... YOUR GETTING OVER FIVE MILLION FREE *ING SP!! 7224=1728 per day....630720 per year....it will take nearly EIGHT MORE YEARS TO EQUAL WHAT YOU RECIEVE ON TUESDAY!! Jesus ****in Christ get the hell over yourselves.
Debir Achen	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:39:00 - [96] Originally by: Trina Carmen so in 8 years from now when the diff between the sp you get back and the sp you lose an hours catches up you should be to uber to care.....no? Now, if only there were turn this into a scam. Give me your 5 mil bonus SP and I'll give you 72 SP an hour for the next 4 years. :) Note 1: bonus SP can be applied to skills that you HAVEN'T currently remapped for. At which point, they're worth a lot more than 72 SP an hour. Note 2: While I see the remap issue, I can't believe it's THAT big a deal. Basic learning skills feed off Mem/Int, but with a max Mem/Int setup only take a couple of weeks to max out, so either you were set Mem/Int for the long haul or you've only got a week or two to wait until your remap refreshes. Advanced learning skills feed directly off the attributes they boosted, so a remap that's good for training (say) Perception is also beneficial for training Perception-based skills. It seems to me that if you need a remap to fix your attribute plan then your attribute plan was already broken before this change?
Keti Loovic	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:39:00 - [97] Originally by: DJWiggles Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Q: Your question here A: Can I have a Pony? Love and kisses.. Wiggles ROFL! Epic responce Wiggles!
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:39:00 - [98] Originally by: mjed mazga Originally by: Trina Carmen honestly this is a good change for 99% of eve player's and will improve the new player base why don't you get over yourself and look at the big picture. I'm one of the people who will be affected by the loss of 72 SP/hour optimal skill training speed, and on multiple accounts. I admit to being fairly upset that yes, I did train all 5.3 million of those skillpoints at SUB-OPTIMAL sp/hour training speeds, and yes, even though I now get to reallocate them elsewhere, the 8 year argument does not hold water because of the sub-optimal training speeds I endured to max out my attributes. It hurts, and CCP should come out and say so. They don't have to fix it but it's the right thing to do to at least acknowledge it. Do the right thing, CCP. Please. HOWEVER, here's how I have justified the changes to myself and how these changes will affect me long-term: I have a lot of alts, and on even my mains, I have a couple of toons which have skills trained, and which I would like to train a couple more skills. Now I will be able to train them at optimal SP/hour levels far exceeding that which was previously possible (since I would never have trained all lvl5 learning skills on them). This, in the end, is where the change benefits us lvl5 learning skill people. The time we will save in training on new accounts or new toons versus the past will make it worth it. In the end, however, it is about 700k SP per year that you are losing, so roughly 2 weeks of skill training time, and for CCP, it comes down to money and now they are going to make an extra few bucks every year off everyone, even their most loyal, devoted, long-term customers like myself and others who have trained all learnings to V. Please accept the change as a good one, but please CCP, acknowledge that you have hurt us. At least give us that. You are correct. This is a free pass to all botters and rtm'ers. (Not that I'm calling you one, but yo know the "others"). But I understand that this will give CCP more active accounts and after all that is all that means something when the quarterly repport is due. But still I get to ***** about it!
mjed mazga These are not the droids you're looking for Beyond Ascension	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:41:00 - [99] Originally by: Konoch To those ***ing about that 72 sp per hour.... YOUR GETTING OVER FIVE MILLION FREE *ING SP!! 7224=1728 per day....630720 per year....it will take nearly EIGHT MORE YEARS TO EQUAL WHAT YOU RECIEVE ON TUESDAY!! Jesus ****in Christ get the hell over yourselves. umad bro?
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:45:00 - [100] Originally by: mjed mazga Originally by: Konoch To those ***ing about that 72 sp per hour.... YOUR GETTING OVER FIVE MILLION FREE *ING SP!! 7224=1728 per day....630720 per year....it will take nearly EIGHT MORE YEARS TO EQUAL WHAT YOU RECIEVE ON TUESDAY!! Jesus ****in Christ get the hell over yourselves. umad bro? Hahahahahaha Not for the reasons you think. Not for the reasons you think bud. But yeah you could say i'm mad. They get a little piece of the rage. I tend to spread it around. This is one of the craziest complaints i've ever seen.
Billy Stevens Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:45:00 - [101] They should just make it +13 rather than +12, then everybody is happy :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ------------------------- Rawr!
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:45:00 - [102] Originally by: Konoch To those ***ing about that 72 sp per hour.... YOUR GETTING OVER FIVE MILLION FREE *ING SP!! 7224=1728 per day....630720 per year....it will take nearly EIGHT MORE YEARS TO EQUAL WHAT YOU RECIEVE ON TUESDAY!! Jesus **in Christ get the hell over yourselves. Dude... your XXX <--- Put extreemly funny remark here at your own leasure... GTFO of MY BIATCHING thread. You hear me boy? Clean your fakking ears and GTFO of MY GOD DAM ***ING thread!!!
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:48:00 - [103] Originally by: Billy Stevens They should just make it +13 rather than +12, then everybody is happy :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Or even better, Give 13 to all who had the bastards maxed out and +12 to the rest... Like that would ever happen in hippie hold hans land. But seriously bro, your suggestion is atleast not a nerf for anyone...
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:50:00 - [104] Edited by: Schmacos tryne on 12/12/2010 23:51:39 Uhm... It just struck me... It's an anogram.... Learning Skills Removal FAQ It should be: Learning Skills Removal ****! EDIT: WHUUUT??? It actually sais: Learning SKILL(!) not SKILLS... so this means they only removing one skill?
Feligast Minmatar Intentionally Destructive	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:55:00 - [105] Originally by: Schmacos tryne WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ;_; JOO STEEL MAH SMUG SENSE OF SURPERIORITAH!!!! Your tears amuse me. Please, PLEASE keep them flowing. Kthksbai.
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:59:00 - [106] Originally by: Feligast Kthksbai. OMG U Awesome dude. How you come up with this original reply? Lamer!
Feligast Minmatar Intentionally Destructive	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:00:00 - [107] Originally by: Schmacos tryne Originally by: Feligast Kthksbai. Lamer! Kettle, pot. Pot, kettle.
Guinness Hooker	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:01:00 - [108] Originally by: Schmacos tryne screw the 8,5 years. The reimbursment does not count since I already did those SP (At reduced training speed mind you!) so as of 14'th I will receive SP slower then I did before 14'th. Nothing to argue about and spare me the theories and bullsacks. You whiners have won and get your learning skills for free, now I get to rage about it! I suggest you get your cups and whatnot and collect tears or whatever you forum pro's call it. IT Makes a big deal when you train a high lvl skill. Days not hours But then again you prob not even close to training any of the Battleship to 5 or Carriers to 5.
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:03:00 - [109] Originally by: Feligast Originally by: Schmacos tryne Originally by: Feligast Kthksbai. Lamer! pot ^^^---Which you smoke too much of....
Feligast Minmatar Intentionally Destructive	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:05:00 - [110] Originally by: Schmacos tryne Originally by: Feligast pot ^^^---Which you smoke too much of.... OMG U Awesome dude. How you come up with this original reply?
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:06:00 - [111] Originally by: Guinness Hooker Originally by: Schmacos tryne screw the 8,5 years. The reimbursment does not count since I already did those SP (At reduced training speed mind you!) so as of 14'th I will receive SP slower then I did before 14'th. Nothing to argue about and spare me the theories and bullsacks. You whiners have won and get your learning skills for free, now I get to rage about it! I suggest you get your cups and whatnot and collect tears or whatever you forum pro's call it. IT Makes a big deal when you train a high lvl skill. Days not hours But then again you prob not even close to training any of the Battleship to 5 or Carriers to 5. Yeah You're right. Actually I only have the Learning skills trained at all. The rest I never cared about so please uncle, can you teach me how to distribute my skillpoints please?? Seriously Your'e making assumptions of which you know nothing about.
Guinness Hooker	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:06:00 - [112] Originally by: Konoch To those ***ing about that 72 sp per hour.... YOUR GETTING OVER FIVE MILLION FREE *ING SP!! 7224=1728 per day....630720 per year....it will take nearly EIGHT MORE YEARS TO EQUAL WHAT YOU RECIEVE ON TUESDAY!! Jesus ****in Christ get the hell over yourselves. As I said "no clue" we trained the skills you didnt So our time was wasted not yours.
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:10:00 - [113] Originally by: Feligast Originally by: Schmacos tryne Originally by: Feligast pot ^^^---Which you smoke too much of.... OMG U Awesome dude. How you come up with this original reply? Game over. Nice talking to you!
Artanis Creed	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:33:00 - [114] O... since most people seem to be in an uproar and be confused slightly.. After the learning skills are removed, along with the bonuses they grant, CCP will be granting 12 points to each stat. Because of the particular nature of the Learning skill there will be one less point than there is now. This drops the total sp/hr gain by 72 points. Which is roughly 630k sp a year less. Obviously younger/new players benefit from this the most (up till a certain point which im not gonna bother trying to figure out). The sp spent for the learning skills being refunded makes training them not a total loss, since u can use the points to INSTANLY raise some skills. So yes your cap 5 is gonna take longer but u can always sink ur sp bonus into it to negate a hell of a lot of time spent training it in the first place.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:00:00 - [115] Originally by: Schmacos tryne Since one question already been asked but not answered I take the liberty to put it a little clearer in 2 short questions: WHAT ABOUT THE 72 SP/h NERF???? WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING THAT THIS IS A X-MAS PRESENT WHEN IN FACT IT'S A SOLID GFYHITA FOR PLAYERS WHO DID FINNISH THE MOTHER**ING TY MALNEUTRICIANT GOD DAM UGLY / EXPENSIVE CRAPPY SKILLS THAT THEY ARE? If this is a christmas present, it would have to be in back-wards land, where santa climbs down the chimney to steal all the toys for the sleeping children. What a jerk eh? Some x-mas this is.... Fine, I will answer your question for you. You will be refunded your skill points, so it will be as if you had never had to train those skills in the first place. So NOT ONLY did you have the benefit of having 5/5 learning skills for your entire life until this point, but the time cost associated with training those skills will be removed - so it will be as if you never wasted any time training those skills to level 5 in the first place! ALSO, the skill point refund is FAR greater than the 72 sp/hour nerf that you may experience. The proof? Let us presume that you get a refund of 5.4 million sps. Divide that by 72 sp/hour to get 75,000 hours. This is the number of hours it would take for the 72 sp/hour nerf to "undo" the skill point refund. Given that there are approximately 8765 hours in a year (counting leap years), this means that it will take 8.5 years for this "nerf" to actually negatively effect your training speed. ---------- Originally by:** Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
northroop Grumman	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:10:00 - [116] Ok, Have a simple question, and haven't seen an actual answer from CCP: On one of my toons, I have remapped about 6 months ago and maxed out Precep. When the learning thing is complete, will I be able to remap or will I have to wait the rest of the 6 months to do so? And also, in regards to this "but please CCP, acknowledge that you have hurt us. At least give us that." from a previous post. No person in a higher position (political or otherwise) can ever admit publically that they created a 'hurt' to someone, otherwise once admitted, they would have to fix it. And a Negative change is a negative change, period, end of discussion. Nothing else matters. So, what about a real answer to my remap question?
Guinness Hooker	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:29:00 - [117] Edited by: Guinness Hooker on 13/12/2010 01:31:51 Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Schmacos tryne Since one question already been asked but not answered I take the liberty to put it a little clearer in 2 short questions: WHAT ABOUT THE 72 SP/h NERF???? WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING THAT THIS IS A X-MAS PRESENT WHEN IN FACT IT'S A SOLID GFYHITA FOR PLAYERS WHO DID FINNISH THE MOTHER**ING TY MALNEUTRICIANT GOD DAM UGLY / EXPENSIVE CRAPPY **SKILLS THAT THEY ARE? If this is a christmas present, it would have to be in back-wards land, where santa climbs down the chimney to steal all the toys for the sleeping children. What a jerk eh? Some x-mas this is.... Fine, I will answer your question for you. You will be refunded your skill points, so it will be as if you had never had to train those skills in the first place. So NOT ONLY did you have the benefit of having 5/5 learning skills for your entire life until this point, but the time cost associated with training those skills will be removed - so it will be as if you never wasted any time training those skills to level 5 in the first place! ALSO, the skill point refund is FAR greater than the 72 sp/hour nerf that you may experience. The proof? Let us presume that you get a refund of 5.4 million sps. Divide that by 72 sp/hour to get 75,000 hours. This is the number of hours it would take for the 72 sp/hour nerf to "undo" the skill point refund. Given that there are approximately 8765 hours in a year (counting leap years), this means that it will take 8.5 years for this "nerf" to actually negatively effect your training speed. Gal BS 5 is 1,685,961 Skill Points with new remap takes 26days 25min and 48s if I put in 630,o00 skill points in gal BS 5 --That I will Lose every year I now can do it 16 days 7 hours 3 min and 34s Old System BS 5 - 25 Days 8 hours and 12 min Not that much but over a year almost 10 days gone 3 year account a not hard to see the problem Easy Fix For CCP every year from now on Give 600k Skill Points away on Dec 14 now that will SHut every1 up Almost to Simple
qaz zaq	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:32:00 - [118] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Schmacos tryne Since one question already been asked but not answered I take the liberty to put it a little clearer in 2 short questions: WHAT ABOUT THE 72 SP/h NERF???? WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING THAT THIS IS A X-MAS PRESENT WHEN IN FACT IT'S A SOLID GFYHITA FOR PLAYERS WHO DID FINNISH THE MOTHER**ING TY MALNEUTRICIANT GOD DAM UGLY / EXPENSIVE CRAPPY **SKILLS THAT THEY ARE? If this is a christmas present, it would have to be in back-wards land, where santa climbs down the chimney to steal all the toys for the sleeping children. What a jerk eh? Some x-mas this is.... Fine, I will answer your question for you. You will be refunded your skill points, so it will be as if you had never had to train those skills in the first place. So NOT ONLY did you have the benefit of having 5/5 learning skills for your entire life until this point, but the time cost associated with training those skills will be removed - so it will be as if you never wasted any time training those skills to level 5 in the first place! ALSO, the skill point refund is FAR greater than the 72 sp/hour nerf that you may experience. The proof? Let us presume that you get a refund of 5.4 million sps. Divide that by 72 sp/hour to get 75,000 hours. This is the number of hours it would take for the 72 sp/hour nerf to "undo" the skill point refund. Given that there are approximately 8765 hours in a year (counting leap years), this means that it will take 8.5 years for this "nerf" to actually negatively effect your training speed. ------------- I am trying to apply this logic to a RL scenerio: Let me see... So I have a Job that pays $5.72/hour New change: Job now pays $5.00/hour A REFUND of earned points would be same as, I have a bank account (sp in learning) of 5376000 points. The bank erases this amount and refunds(gives me the cash) which I can use anyway I want... Which I should as I earned every point. I fail to see how dropping a pay rate from $5.72/hour to $5.00/hour is good and better for me, the wife and kids. If anyone out there, thinks it is, let me know. I want to hire you in RL... :-) Also, getting a refund has nothing to do, with a rate of pay, the two are seperate. Stop comparing the 2 to support a useless argument. The math doesn't not work.
Useful Alt	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:45:00 - [119] EVE player was really more mature a few years ago, really stop whining on the forum and talk with your wallet, if you even dare for me, i don't care about this change, in fact no, i like the fact that i will be able to get "free" level to skill that i didn't want to train since i didn't want to do a remap for them but yes IÆm also sad that i would not be able to do 2m sp every 30.5 days but it's minor for me by the way, why people are asking for a free remap? it's not like you will lose your current remap, the 14 points that is available for the remap wont move/change
northroop Grumman	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Useful Alt EVE player was really more mature a few years ago, really stop whining on the forum and talk with your wallet, if you even dare for me, i don't care about this change, in fact no, i like the fact that i will be able to get "free" level to skill that i didn't want to train since i didn't want to do a remap for them but yes IÆm also sad that i would not be able to do 2m sp every 30.5 days but it's minor for me by the way, why people are asking for a free remap? it's not like you will lose your current remap, the 14 points that is available for the remap wont move/change ------------ Not asking for a free remap, asking if there will be one. If you were to move every availible point from other attrib's to one attrib, which maxes it out at current limit. Learning skills are not maxed out. Which means I will get +12 points to a skill that is currently learned to a +4/+1 level. So, 7 more points will get added to a MAXED out attrib. Is there a new Max level of say 37? or will the ones above the new limit be lost? or will they be reallocated too? etc? Or will there be a remap to distribute the above max limit that is new? This is not a 'beg' etc, it is a real question. I want to know, what mechanism will be put in place to help people who have aready maxed out one attirb by moving all attrib points to it, when the change happens. So, real answers only please, not stupid replies assuming this is a QQ.

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