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Max Thunderbird	Posted - 2010.12.13 16:46:00 - [211] My training queue will end just before downtime. I will be adding Battlecruiser V to my queue. Before downtime my training will take 20D 11H 14M. If attributes change when downtime starts, at the end of downtime my training will take 20D 16H 46M. 10.5 hours longer than before less 5 hours of training during downtime. If I have 10 mil SP before downtime, after downtime I will have 6 mil + 4 mil to allocate. 6+4=10. So once allocated my total SP will not change. Q: Can CCP Santa transport me back in time so my teachers have another shot at teaching me math? For example how 20D 21H 46M (new training time) is faster than 20D 11H 14M (old training time) and also how 6 million + 4 mil is greater than 10 mil. I must have missed something the first time and I'm having a hard time understanding this new math. A: P.S. Thanks for the Charisma buff!
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.12.13 16:52:00 - [212] I have a pretty important quesiton that I don't think was aked.. When allocating our new skill points, is there an undo option? Say joe bloggs wants to train guide missile precision V but accidentally clicks to train FoF missiles V, which is right above it, can he fix that mistake? If there is no undo option with the skill pool, can someone petition to reallocate the skillpoints again? Cheers EVE Trivia EVE History
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 16:56:00 - [213] I'm pretty satisfied with this, even though I am one of those few who trained the Learning Skills all the way up. Mostly because I NEVER HAVE GOTTEN +5 IMPLANTS. You realize how prohibitively expensive those things are anyway? And to risk losing that if you ever get podded?! I'm sorry, but no thanks. I salute your bravery or internet spaceship financial security in using +5 implants, but please stop harping on it. HOWEVER... I would like to ask whether the 'Decimal places' ever truly affected the training time? Like how I have 31.9 on my highest respec'd attribute. It's virtually 32. Will anyone who has attributes over 22 be shafted, as well, and not just those who maxed out Learning and used +5s? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
scatter gun	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:00:00 - [214] Originally by: Giselle Garner Originally by: I'thari oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"... Originally by: Giselle Garner In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base). That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s. Don't see your point of -1.5 attribute points. I will receive 20+5 = 25 base points. And the highest attrib I've got right now is Perception with 30,8. Don't find possible to loss in any situation with the remap of March,12 In my case, I knew I was going to survive in this game for years (I started with another account in Red Moon Rising). Only a long term decision when had to create this new account with a problem in the old account to re-activate. And you are forgetting the buff to skills with the points of removal. If you are worried of having slower training, put them in the longest skill of your plan. I will do it... from a player with 3 accounts w/ ALL 11x learning skills 5(33x total) with lvl 5 all learning skills and +5 implants (base(5+remap(10))+skills(10)+implant(5))Learning(1.1) = 33 (base(5+remap(4))+skills(10)+implant(5))learning(1.1) = 26.4 (all other stats at 22) what im seeing, if the remap system remains the same. base(20)+remap(up to 10)+implant(5) = 35 primary base(20)+remap(4 points secondary)+implant(5) = 29 secondary attribute (25/25/24 for the other stats assuming you arent remapped for charisma) as long as remap system remains the same, ALL players should see benefits from this patch across the board.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:06:00 - [215] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 17:07:00 Originally by: scatter gun Originally by: Giselle Garner Originally by: I'thari oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"... Originally by: Giselle Garner In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base). That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s. Don't see your point of -1.5 attribute points. I will receive 20+5 = 25 base points. And the highest attrib I've got right now is Perception with 30,8. Don't find possible to loss in any situation with the remap of March,12 In my case, I knew I was going to survive in this game for years (I started with another account in Red Moon Rising). Only a long term decision when had to create this new account with a problem in the old account to re-activate. And you are forgetting the buff to skills with the points of removal. If you are worried of having slower training, put them in the longest skill of your plan. I will do it... from a player with 3 accounts w/ ALL 11x learning skills 5(33x total) with lvl 5 all learning skills and +5 implants (base(5+remap(10))+skills(10)+implant(5))Learning(1.1) = 33 (base(5+remap(4))+skills(10)+implant(5))learning(1.1) = 26.4 (all other stats at 22) what im seeing, if the remap system remains the same. base(20)+remap(up to 10)+implant(5) = 35 primary base(20)+remap(4 points secondary)+implant(5) = 29 secondary attribute (25/25/24 for the other stats assuming you arent remapped for charisma) as long as remap system remains the same, ALL players should see benefits from this patch across the board. I think your math is off. 20 isn't the base-base. 20 is the base PLUS the remap points (with Charisma at 19 because it gets shortchanged since the remap points don't total a multiple of 5). The real base is 17. Thus, you're off by 3 points on both. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:15:00 - [216] Question: Did CCP even consider removing the ten skills for base attribute bonuses and leaving the Learning skill itself with its multiplier? Or is training a rank one skill too much? Or not enough time to code properly and this change must be done now? Of course come Wednesday, I should expect a substantial increase in subscription numbers and players in the game since everyone's family and friends that quit Eve due to the learning skills to return, joyful of the new changes.
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:32:00 - [217] I would like to get in touch with the CCP manager for the forums as I have some things to say about forum moderation among other things occuring here, so please can some CCP rep tell me how I go about doing this? -ST
Guy Ferox	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:47:00 - [218] Edited by: Guy Ferox on 13/12/2010 17:48:09 Edited by: Guy Ferox on 13/12/2010 17:47:35 Originally by: CCP Navigator Originally by: Thorleifer so are we getting a remap or not? it is a simple question, I think it is only fair to give us a free remap. There will be no free remap as remaps are not being changed. As CCP Greyscale has already said, if it is not in the blog it is not happening. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420510&page=13 line 389 took me 13 pages to find this because the ccp guys here are too lazy to say yes, your remap timer is getting reset, or no we are not changeing the timer.
Dreistein Epicurus' philosophy	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:56:00 - [219] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/12/2010 18:59:54 ... Q: Has CCP Easter Bunny a totally coloured Pod, like those Easter Eggs? Yes, I reported him once for hacking and GM Horse just laughed at me. ... Now with answers from me If you want to report CCP Easter Bunny for hacking, please file a petition. If you actualy did file one... be carefull when you discuss it on the forum... :-) 3S
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 18:05:00 - [220] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 18:12:39 . ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.13 18:46:00 - [221] Originally by: BiggestT I have a pretty important quesiton that I don't think was aked.. When allocating our new skill points, is there an undo option? Say joe bloggs wants to train guide missile precision V but accidentally clicks to train FoF missiles V, which is right above it, can he fix that mistake? If there is no undo option with the skill pool, can someone petition to reallocate the skillpoints again? Cheers Is there an undo button when you add/destroy implants? Is there an undo button if you set the wrong skill to train for a few weeks?
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:00:00 - [222] So if I have 30 intel,Ill get 25 max with +5s... yay.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:13:00 - [223] There are better reasons to protest about the new system than going 'I'm losing training speed! whine' ... such as the guy who suggested that RMT and bots in general might benefit more from this change. I must say that's a far more compelling argument. Not sure how I feel about it, myself. I do like that new players will benefit greatly, and that means more targets or companions in the future, but I have a hard time ignoring the bot point, now, thanks to that being brought up. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:52:00 - [224] Originally by: oolk So if I have 30 intel,Ill get 25 max with +5s... yay. If you have 30 intel right now, with a +5.. You'll probably end up with 32 Intel after the patch. That's under the assumption that Intel is your primary from your last remap. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:56:00 - [225] So what will happen tomorrow? Normal day?? Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments ftw

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.12.13 19:57:00 - [226] Hopefully you will do; update charInfo set skillpool = skillpool + learningSkillsSP Rather than skillpool = learningSkillsSP RIGHT? Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:01:00 - [227] Originally by: Chribba Hopefully you will do; update charInfo set skillpool = skillpool + learningSkillsSP Rather than skillpool = learningSkillsSP RIGHT? Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Q: Will the learning skill points overwrite any existing bonus skillpoints, like from the unexpected server downtime a few months ago? A: Nope! They will be added to your skill point queue and the will not expire. Use them now or savor them like a tasty treat for later. I guess so? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Joba'Set Drunken Profit	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:22:00 - [228] Edited by: Joba''Set on 13/12/2010 20:24:29 Originally by: Alejan Gerakh There are better reasons to protest about the new system than going 'I'm losing training speed! whine' ... such as the guy who suggested that RMT and bots in general might benefit more from this change. I must say that's a far more compelling argument. Not sure how I feel about it, myself. I do like that new players will benefit greatly, and that means more targets or companions in the future, but I have a hard time ignoring the bot point, now, thanks to that being brought up. Its only a whine to you because you not losing it. YOu read everything in thread "no". Becasue its not just about the time lost our voted in player reps that have not even chimed in on this issue yet because CCP also lied to them. There is so much more to this than you can see and that is why CCP has not even responed to the problem. And If we dont ***** and whine as you say things will never change. This was the 1st time I really thought Well maybe things are really turning around but nope!! The problem was brought up weeks ago on test sever and they blew it off and would not even talk about it just like they are doing here.
arcyaxiom	Posted - 2010.12.13 20:29:00 - [229] Stealth edit to now read "Wednesday December 15th" I smell conspiracy!!! :P Lame :( I was going to have celebratory pudding to mark the occassion as well!
VeNc0tju Gallente Manson Family Corcoran State	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:42:00 - [230] Q: What about skill books in corp hanger? Q: Do we get a free new remap?
Guy Ferox	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:46:00 - [231] Originally by: Guy Ferox Originally by: CCP Navigator Originally by: Thorleifer so are we getting a remap or not? it is a simple question, I think it is only fair to give us a free remap. There will be no free remap as remaps are not being changed. As CCP Greyscale has already said, if it is not in the blog it is not happening. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420510&page=13 line 389 took me 13 pages to find this because the ccp guys here are too lazy to say yes, your remap timer is getting reset, or no we are not changeing the timer. no your remap timer is not reset
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.13 21:55:00 - [232] Originally by: VeNc0tju Q: What about skill books in corp hanger? The ISK goes into the corp wallet. That is what the devblog said.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 22:37:00 - [233] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 22:43:53 Originally by: Joba'Set Edited by: Joba''Set on 13/12/2010 20:24:29 Originally by: Alejan Gerakh There are better reasons to protest about the new system than going 'I'm losing training speed! whine' ... such as the guy who suggested that RMT and bots in general might benefit more from this change. I must say that's a far more compelling argument. Not sure how I feel about it, myself. I do like that new players will benefit greatly, and that means more targets or companions in the future, but I have a hard time ignoring the bot point, now, thanks to that being brought up. Its only a whine to you because you not losing it. YOu read everything in thread "no". Becasue its not just about the time lost our voted in player reps that have not even chimed in on this issue yet because CCP also lied to them. There is so much more to this than you can see and that is why CCP has not even responed to the problem. And If we dont *** and whine as you say things will never change. This was the 1st time I really thought Well maybe things are really turning around but nope!! The problem was brought up weeks ago on test sever and they blew it off and would not even talk about it just like they are doing here. Miss the part where I said I was one of the few who did train up my Learning skills entirely? Originally by:** Alejan Gerakh I'm pretty satisfied with this, even though I am one of those few who trained the Learning Skills all the way up. But I suppose you make a good point about 'lies'. I personally don't think it's worth getting bent out of shape about. So I'm losing some training speed.. I still have ridiculous amounts of SP to reallocate once this is implemented and I, at least, am willing to take this, even if I'm being nerfed. (A nerf I won't technically notice for 8 years, anyway) ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Joba'Set Drunken Profit	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:13:00 - [234] Originally by: Alejan Gerakh Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 22:43:53 Originally by: Joba'Set Edited by: Joba''Set on 13/12/2010 20:24:29 Originally by: Alejan Gerakh There are better reasons to protest about the new system than going 'I'm losing training speed! whine' ... such as the guy who suggested that RMT and bots in general might benefit more from this change. I must say that's a far more compelling argument. Not sure how I feel about it, myself. I do like that new players will benefit greatly, and that means more targets or companions in the future, but I have a hard time ignoring the bot point, now, thanks to that being brought up. Its only a whine to you because you not losing it. YOu read everything in thread "no". Becasue its not just about the time lost our voted in player reps that have not even chimed in on this issue yet because CCP also lied to them. There is so much more to this than you can see and that is why CCP has not even responed to the problem. And If we dont *** and whine as you say things will never change. This was the 1st time I really thought Well maybe things are really turning around but nope!! The problem was brought up weeks ago on test sever and they blew it off and would not even talk about it just like they are doing here. Miss the part where I said I was one of the few who did train up my Learning skills entirely? Originally by:** Alejan Gerakh I'm pretty satisfied with this, even though I am one of those few who trained the Learning Skills all the way up. But I suppose you make a good point about 'lies'. I personally don't think it's worth getting bent out of shape about. So I'm losing some training speed.. I still have ridiculous amounts of SP to reallocate once this is implemented and I, at least, am willing to take this, even if I'm being nerfed. (A nerf I won't technically notice for 8 years, anyway) Well 8 years is really not true. Its about 10 days a year of training added to a plan. So More or less I got to train a extra 10 day skill that really not there every year. And you dont Have to have all at lvl 5 just learning and the 2 top skills with inplants rest can be at 4. I just wish CCP or Csm would Say something anything. I trained that 10 Day lvl 5 for no reason now. But the years I had it I gained on my Friends 630k skill points a year and Past most that started 6 months before me
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:40:00 - [235] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 23:44:51 Originally by: Joba'Set Well 8 years is really not true. Its about 10 days a year of training added to a plan. So More or less I got to train a extra 10 day skill that really not there every year. And you dont Have to have all at lvl 5 just learning and the 2 top skills with inplants rest can be at 4. I just wish CCP or Csm would Say something anything. I trained that 10 Day lvl 5 for no reason now. But the years I had it I gained on my Friends 630k skill points a year and Past most that started 6 months before me I said 8 years because that's apparently the estimate of how long the difference in SP gain speed will work its way through the skill points that will soon be freed for reallocation. 10 days per year, yes, but I'd like to think that we are getting back the skill points invested and that it will take years before the training it took for those points truly starts to be wasted. For those who just trained the two most important, I'm not sure. Probably a few years until the drop in point gain catches up with you (or perhaps longer than the 8 years for those who maxed all of them- I haven't looked into it enough). Yes, I suppose you'd all like to see the points as just a refund and not extra, but I feel they should be treated as both. New players that are being bounced up to this speed won't get them. They'll still be behind by however many million points we're refunded. In the end, I still find it a minor loss. But you go ahead and champion that cause. I'm certainly not about to bar you from the crusade for your lost 10 days a year. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Sabr Sheppard	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:43:00 - [236] Originally by: Black998 Do we get a free attribute remap? Please no. I've been saving my remap after hearing the news about Learning Skills. Though I might be in favor of a plus 1 remap for everyone, in which case I'd have two remaps available on Tuesday.
Mike deVoid Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:20:00 - [237] Originally by: Joba'Set Well 8 years is really not true. Its about 10 days a year of training added to a plan. So More or less I got to train a extra 10 day skill that really not there every year. And you dont Have to have all at lvl 5 just learning and the 2 top skills with inplants rest can be at 4. I just wish CCP or Csm would Say something anything. I trained that 10 Day lvl 5 for no reason now. But the years I had it I gained on my Friends 630k skill points a year and Past most that started 6 months before me The 8 years is calculated thusly: Present (5/5 learnings +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 33pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26.4pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2772 SP/hour. Present (5/4 learnings +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 31.9pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 25.3pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2673 SP/hour. Future ([bright or not] +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 32pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2700 SP/hour. So if you have trained to 5/5 then your maximum possible rate drop by 72 sp/hr at most as this assumes you wear your +5 implants all the time. Because of the 5.376,000 SP reimbursement you won't feel any nerf for a minimum of just over 8.5 years. That figure drops by about 1 year for each Advanced Learning you only put to lvl 4. For 5/4 and below, it's a boost. -------- Is this a rhetorical question?
Joba'Set Drunken Profit	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:40:00 - [238] Edited by: Joba''Set on 14/12/2010 00:43:18 Edited by: Joba''Set on 14/12/2010 00:41:59 What I was saying is the Skill "learning" needs to be 5 and say Logic and Eidtic memory for MEM/int 33/26.4rest of the 3x can be at lvl 4 like presence and so on. Lot more people can do this than you think. They just may have messed up plan or remap wrong. The 8 years has nothing to do with it! its the xtra 10 days a year. If you did it like above you dont have 5.3 mill skill point you got like 3.xx (not looking it up) the 8 years is a bogus number. I for 1 have 3 accounts and not 1 has Presece 5. So I get my only 4,743,765 back! I would get about 1.2 mill less if I did it like numbers above. See my point 8 years is not even close to right better to look at it as 10 days a year nerf. or -630k a year sp gain.. the 8 year thing dose not apply to every1
Joba'Set Drunken Profit	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:49:00 - [239] Originally by: Sabr Sheppard Originally by: Black998 Do we get a free attribute remap? Please no. I've been saving my remap after hearing the news about Learning Skills. Though I might be in favor of a plus 1 remap for everyone, in which case I'd have two remaps available on Tuesday. Dude I hope you, Do but I dought it. But CCP Shafted us 33/26.4 guys only be fair to let you get max sp like we can. ( Yea I said it )
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2010.12.14 01:00:00 - [240] No remap is necessary, your BASE stats are being reset, not the remappable points. They are the same as they were before.

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