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EvilFighter123
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Posted - 2010.12.15 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: EvilFighter123 on 15/12/2010 14:37:23 (sarcasm)Internet Spaceships, srs bznz.(sarcasm)
stop whining.
it doesn't matter either way.
CCP is all powerful and i respect most of their decisions.
GTC is still an excellent way to combat RMT. GJ CCP
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Veryez
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Posted - 2010.12.15 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mike deVoid Edited by: Mike deVoid on 12/12/2010 22:45:32 Thought I'd post this as someone was asking about training speed
Some quick number crunching for everyone curious.
Present (5/5 learnings +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 33pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26.4pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2772 SP/hour.
Present (5/4 learnings +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 31.9pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 25.3pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2673 SP/hour.
Future ([bright or not] +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 32pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2700 SP/hour.
So *if* you have trained to 5/5 then your maximum possible rate drop by 72 sp/hr at most as this assumes you wear your +5 implants all the time. Because of the 5.376,000 SP reimbursement you won't feel any nerf for a minimum of just over 8.5 years. That figure drops by about 1 year for each Advanced Learning you only put to lvl 4.
For 5/4 and below, it's a boost.
Not quite correct: Since the break even is closest to training one advanced learning to lvl 5 (all the rest @ 4) (speed 2706 sp/hr) the difference in SP is only 2,528,940. In other words, for all your time spent training you lose the advantage in about 4 years. So it's a nerf for those who invested the time and money in EvE. And not as insignificent as you think, I know many players past the 4 year mark.
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Zenst
Hall Of Flame Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.15 16:54:00 -
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"Q:Will I get a free remap? A: Yes, Merry Christmas"
Reality i had a remap in hand and as such got nothing, bit liek why do I buy toilet paper when ccp will just replace my bum logic seems to win the day.
Also I'm probably misreading things but for every intent was somewhat lead to believe everybody would be no worse off than they are now and indeed better off. I say misreading as prior to this I had 3 days 8 hours left to complete Amarr Battleship L5, it not informs me it will take 3 days 19 hours, given thats a not too insermoutable difference which equates to about a day a week. or perhaps the veiwpoint that thats 52 days in a year or around 7.5 weeks.
So in effect if I trained the skills now I'm loosing out nearly 2 months a year now compared to before, thats a hell of a difference there sonny to not be mentioning.
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:05:00 -
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Q For all but one of 6 accounts with max training the training time for their current skill has increased by a small amount. Was this intended? CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |
Knalldari Testpilot
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Posted - 2010.12.15 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Knalldari Testpilot on 15/12/2010 20:46:57
Originally by: Debir Achen (...)
PS: why the heck were people training off-main attributes to advanced 5 anyway? It takes (took?) 632235 SP to go from advanced 4 to advanced 5. It takes 400 DAYS (over a year) of training in skills with that attribute as primary to pay that training off, which is more than enough time to remap TWICE. Training to advanced 5 is (was) strictly only for people who already had that attribute as primary AND fully remapped to that attribute.
attribute remapping introduced in eve long time after people trained all their learning skills to V (max).
//Çdith and my ingame jukebox is STILL NOT WORKING!!!!11111oneleven so how to plan these side effects without the ability to see in the future?
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Knalldari Testpilot
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Posted - 2010.12.15 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kromartie Edited by: Kromartie on 13/12/2010 10:32:04 Q: Was there any technical reason why you could not have left the quick to train rank 1 ôLearningö skill in game? Perhaps this skill could have been moved to social or science group? The other 10 skills could have been removed and you could have just added +10 to the attributes.
This would have ensured nobody came out of this worse off and at the same time still removed 5,120,000 SP from the Learning group.
I will be disappointed if I come out of this worse off (630k SP a year) and I remind everyone that reimbursement of the learning SP is not a gift or a favour, this is simply CCP doing the right thing. Those are SP already earned at a much slower rate and they have no bearing on the drop in attribute points or training rate in the future. I donÆt want a free remap, I just want to be able to train at the same rate and I hope something can be done in a later patch to correct this.
Edit: These questions were not answered in the blog thread.
That aside this is the only game IÆm still playing after 7 years, thanks for all the hard work CCP and have a great Christmas.
simply this!
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Xyzibit
Caldari New-Roots
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Posted - 2010.12.15 21:59:00 -
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what about the 72sp/h <-- plz answer
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Swren1
Infinite Covenant Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:16:00 -
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Quote: Q: How does this affect my attributes? A: After the change you will be given 12 attribute points in each attribute. This means the default attributes will be 20/20/20/20/19 with Charisma being the 19.
Why did I only get 17 base accross all? I must be drunk again and not reading this crap correctly.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Swren1
Quote: Q: How does this affect my attributes? A: After the change you will be given 12 attribute points in each attribute. This means the default attributes will be 20/20/20/20/19 with Charisma being the 19.
Why did I only get 17 base accross all?
Cuz CCP has got it in for you, is why.
The other answer: 5 + 12 = 17 base. With evenly distributed, 14 remappable points, that comes to 20/20/20/20/19. --
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2010.12.16 02:40:00 -
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So are those bonus remaps, or just timer reset on regular remap? I.e. if my last remap was, say, nine months ago, and i use the remap now, will i be able to again in three months or in a year?
Originally by: Swren1
Quote: Q: How does this affect my attributes? A: After the change you will be given 12 attribute points in each attribute. This means the default attributes will be 20/20/20/20/19 with Charisma being the 19.
Why did I only get 17 base accross all? I must be drunk again and not reading this crap correctly.
You used to have 5 base, plus up to 10 in learning skills, plus about two extra points from the 10% bonus of the Learning skill itself. So they basically just incorporated the learning bonus points into the base points, as if everyone had all learnings trained to 5.
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qaz zaq
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Posted - 2010.12.16 03:19:00 -
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Just wanted to drop a note to CCP and tell them thanks for the Christmas Presents. Nice ship... Thanks for the learning skill removal also, My currently training skill went from 1d 2h 23m 12s to 1d 5h 35m 18s. Wonderful bonus, Maybe I can get +5 implants to speed it up... Nope, already have them. Guess thats as good as it will ever get.
I was nerfed, like WoW does all the time. Was EVE bought by Blizzard?!?!
So glad CSM/CCP stated 'No one will train slower than they currently do'. Nice standing by your word... :-(
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Raisiana
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Posted - 2010.12.16 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: qaz zaq Was EVE bought by Blizzard?!?!
BANG!
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:32:00 -
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If the remap timer was just reset and there is no plan to give the same benefit those with a timer as those with an existing remap received CCP is showing that they are either lazy or believe in deliberately treating players unevenly (not accidentally but deliberately).
(if so) I strongly suspect that it is because they were too lazy. I give them more credit than to purposefully rub their hands together and think "lets go out of our way to stick these guys with a short portion".
Lazy ? Commitment to something second-rate instead of excellent?
They would have needed to do a little database coding or something to make it so a timer kept going despite recieving an extra remap... maybe they would have had to re-write their prior code for handling that sort of thing. I'm not a programmer but in the scope of this huge and complicated aplplication I'd got to think that a pretty low level guy could figure out where and how to code in a few algorithms that would handle it.
So... I'm thinking that the were just lazy and not commited to excellence.
A third possiblity is that they are poor communicators and didn't have the words to explain what was going to happen to make sure that all people were treated evenly.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:43:00 -
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They have already implemented a "bonus remap" mechanic for new characters. I'm not necessarily saying they screwed this up, i'm just asking to be sure.
Before the patch, my normal remap was due to be available in a few months. Now i have one. My question is, if i remap now, will i still get another remap in a few months, or will i need to wait for a whole another year? It's kinda hard to tell from the attributes screen, it just says i have one right now.
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets They have already implemented a "bonus remap" mechanic for new characters. I'm not necessarily saying they screwed this up, i'm just asking to be sure.
Before the patch, my normal remap was due to be available in a few months. Now i have one. My question is, if i remap now, will i still get another remap in a few months, or will i need to wait for a whole another year? It's kinda hard to tell from the attributes screen, it just says i have one right now.
If you use it today then you'll have to wait one year from today to have another one.
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DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Keti Loovic
Originally by: DJWiggles
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: *Your question here* A:
Can I have a Pony?
Love and kisses..
Wiggles
ROFL! Epic responce Wiggles!
Well I was chatting to just as he posted this and I HAD to post it ... Im sad that he hasn't said I can have one Now with added extra Wigglyness and a big white fluffy bunny suit with a BLUE BOW TIE on Mondays 19:00 - 22:00 GMT on EvE-Radio. |
DJWiggles
Gallente Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bel Rigean Edited by: Bel Rigean on 13/12/2010 16:20:09
Originally by: DJWiggles
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: *Your question here* A:
Can I have a Pony?
Love and kisses..
Wiggles
FOR PONY!!!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!! I want a sp pony Now with added extra Wigglyness and a big white fluffy bunny suit with a BLUE BOW TIE on Mondays 19:00 - 22:00 GMT on EvE-Radio. |
Nightwing
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Posted - 2010.12.16 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nightwing on 16/12/2010 22:59:06
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Bux Naked
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.17 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets They have already implemented a "bonus remap" mechanic for new characters. I'm not necessarily saying they screwed this up, i'm just asking to be sure.
Before the patch, my normal remap was due to be available in a few months. Now i have one. My question is, if i remap now, will i still get another remap in a few months, or will i need to wait for a whole another year? It's kinda hard to tell from the attributes screen, it just says i have one right now.
I, too, have the same question. My remap wasn't going to come back until April. Now it says I have one. That's all fine and dandy, but I was hoping for an extra remap so that I could use up the free one so by the time April comes, all of my leadership skills would be trained and I could go back to combat training. But on the other hand I have several friends who said they now have 3 remaps.....wtf? Can we get an official response about this from someone at CCP?
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Corran Do'Urden
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Posted - 2010.12.17 07:38:00 -
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Same here, I had a remap coming in 2 months but now it's been reset, I used it only to have my timer reset to today. Completely *******s compared to people who had a remap just getting another and not having their current timer reset.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.17 19:22:00 -
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Interesting...I had a remap due next June...used the free one (from last patch) and now my time reset...WTF?
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.12.17 20:57:00 -
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The remap is only +1 if you had one available already.
If your remap was on a cooldown on the 15th you got the cooldown reset and a remap available.
For me personally I had a character whose cooldown would have expired today so in that case the freebie was a dud, but my 6 other characters who now have 2 came out ahead for sure. You will be on the 12 month timer again if you use the remap.
It's bad luck, stop complaining, you're not entitled to anything.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.12.17 21:27:00 -
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Could you please do the courtesy of altering the Will I get a free remap to "
No.. not all players will get a free remap. Some will only have their remap date moved up in case they for some reason cared to change their attributes before the time they had intitally planned their skill training for.
I can get around to living with the uneven treatment but I'm going to get upset every time I see a lie repeated.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.12.18 06:08:00 -
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Glorious thanks to you CCP Zymurgist for being so diligent in maintaining this thread and a pox on all of you who can't be bothered to read the FAQ or are just ungrateful because you didn't make out with multiple remaps like others who've NEVER remapped or were ALREADY sitting on an available remap, hence making out with more than 1 available remap.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:09:00 -
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Well,
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Q:Will I get a free remap? A: Yes, Merry Christmas
Thing is, some of us didn't get a free remap. We got a remap ahead of the time, but it's not free because it comes at the expense of the remap we were supposed to get later (months or days, depending on the character). Whereas people who had at least one remap aren't losing out on anything because, well, they didn't have any additional remaps coming anyways.
And the whole argument that they "deserved" an extra remap is bull. If they didn't remap, it's because they had a good reason (aside from oldskool Achuras who just want to stay oldskool for the heck of it). Maybe the only skills left to train for them are, say, Perc/Will ones, and there was just no point remapping to something else for the whole year (but quite a few skills that are worth remapping for a month or two). Maybe their training plan was simply longer than a year, so they remapped, trained for a year, got the extra remap, and just happened to be finishing up the skills they wanted when the bonus hit.
For example, i made sure to train all the Int-primary skills i wanted before remapping from Perc/Int to Perc/Will. Had they done this a few months back, i'd have had two remaps right now. As it stands, i just got my remap ahead of the time, which is of no use whatsoever because i had a plan up to and past my normal remap date anyways (and not much to remap for, if that remap lasts for the whole year). Basically, some got lucky, some didn't. Which is fine when it happens by itself as part of the game, but not when CCP decides to just randomly reward some players and not the others.
Again, someone whose remap timer finished one seconds before the patch got two remaps, someone whose remap timer finished one second after the patch got only one. That seems pretty obviously messed up to me. And there's a very obvious way to fix it (anyone who remapped less than a year before the patch should get an extra remap whenever they were supposed to, even if they already got another one somehow). And the faster they fix it, the fewer people will be at all affected by this.
But apparently they'd rather fall back to the usual "what you gonna do" attitude. I guess the whole "dedication to excellence" thing was just for one year, and that year is up...
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Dr Karsun
Gallente Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
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Posted - 2010.12.22 10:51:00 -
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I'm writing to protest against the way the free remap was given to us. For some of us who were near the next remap (like me), we got a small part of a remap. I only had 2 or 3 months left to my next remap, not an entire free remap.
Because of that I'd kindly ask CCP to implement something that it would actually be a gift remap, a full remap for everyone, not just a semi-full remap. Make the clock go further, so that in the 3 months I will get my normal remap, but the one we got now stays as a REAL gift!
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Kimiko Ayasi
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Posted - 2010.12.27 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kimiko Ayasi on 27/12/2010 23:25:57 A question if you don't mind.
Some of the clone types are: Pi: 54,600,000 skill points Rho: 71,000,000 skill points
Let's say I have 53,000,000 allocated skill points PLUS 5,000,000 unallocated ones from learning kills. If I purchase the Pi clone and then get podded, will my unallocated skill points be affected in any way?
Is there any way to "loose" them without allocating?
Thank you.
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Kimiko Ayasi
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Posted - 2010.12.27 23:43:00 -
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Went to the test server, podded myself, didn't update clone and podded again. Lost some skill points as expected but the undistributed pool was untouched.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.28 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Karsun I'm writing to protest against the way the free remap was given to us. For some of us who were near the next remap (like me), we got a small part of a remap. I only had 2 or 3 months left to my next remap, not an entire free remap.
Because of that I'd kindly ask CCP to implement something that it would actually be a gift remap, a full remap for everyone, not just a semi-full remap. Make the clock go further, so that in the 3 months I will get my normal remap, but the one we got now stays as a REAL gift!
QFT.
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Roq'Letosands
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Posted - 2010.12.29 01:41:00 -
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I was considering doing a remap, but I have "-2" in the unassigned attributes part (that's a negative 2).
I am assuming I am going to have to bring my attributes down to the same assignable number as everyone else that does a remap now?
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