ahh so all the items will be NPC seeded instead of player seeded that is a huge difference thanks for clearing it up.....


now its a sink

so what your saying is

1 players build the moduel
2 user pays for mod
3 user pays to install the mod and that is multiplied by the number of same type of mods being intalled or previously installed
4 at the phenominal pricing only the uber rich stand to be able to use pos

pos are meant to be small outpost not gigantic hubs of commerce and trade where everything can and is done for a price i think the current setup is fine in the difference between the two. if you want a station go take one or set one up.

This will kill IMO a large chunk of industry and the whole idea that anyone can do anythng in eve since now POS will be for the elite multi-billion a day alliance/corp/player

i see this being more of a detriment to eve then a boon

How is 1b phenomenal pricing ?

If you hadn't checked of late, CCP are also talking about POS being able to be anchored anywhere, and having multiple POS within sight of each other.

They also talk about allowing more than one station per system. This sounds more like POS to me.

How will it "kill industry" ?!?

This allows someone poor to set a pos up for a couple of billion, but over time add more to it, make cash from it and make the social connections along the way.

Take a POS in low-sec, you set one up, put up a repair, clone and office service for a reasonable price. A pirate corp comes along and makes it their home, some other guys jumping their caps through might also rent an office. Suddenly, you're making a few bucks and just hauling your fuel there each month. Then upgrade it later.

Anyone being able to do anything in eve is exactly the problem.

How many people actually GET TO RUN stations ? Not that many... like 1%.
This allows any POS to do exactly what a station does, stations are becoming redundant anyhow because they want to make them destructible.

I'm talking about lowering the barrier to entry on the station services by just putting those same modular pieces on POS instead.

It will happen anyhow, just a matter of time now.

If we have more than 1 station per system, and more than 1 pos per system, both are modular, both are destructible - why do we have 2 different types of building at all ?

If I buy 200b worth of materials to build a 200b isk spacestation - and it gets blown up - that's 200b of isk removed from the game.

Please tell me how that's not an isk sink ?

If CCP wishes to just "stop isk flowing into the game" they can at any time remove the plex system lol

So is the same for ships, however I think you'll find that CCP considers blowing ships up an isk sink.

Nice going dumbass.

So come mine in high sec? Problem solved?

How about instead of tears of whine whenever something doesnt go your way you adapt, improvise and ovecome? If you spent as much effort crying as you did adapting to changes you would be sitting back comfortable in a high sec belt making fat wallets.

Or you'd realize high sec mining isnt a money tree, and that'd be that.

[quote=Joshua Lonestar]So come mine in high sec? Problem solved?

How about instead of tears of whine whenever something doesnt go your way you adapt, improvise and ovecome? If you spent as much effort crying as you did adapting to changes you would be sitting back comfortable in a high sec belt making fat wallets.

Or you'd realize
this^^^^^^^

Let's restart, perhaps I just mislaid the plans and misled people.

Money maker or not is beyond the issue at hand. The problem is that highsec mining has far less risk and far more reward than nullsec mining. The whole crying argument is crap here too because whining on the forums is the premier tactic of highsec miners, I'm fighting fire with fire.

Then quit mining in Null and mine in HS.

Once enough people do this, HS mining income will decrease and Nullsec mining income will increase.

Once the rest of the Drone poo stockpiles have been burned through, nothing will be affecting relative mining income other than the amount of mining done in each area.

In general, the problem with nullsec mining being terrible is that it doesn't give an incentive for industrial types to move to null. The existing residents of null (i.e. us) don't give a damn because no one mines unless they're at least quad-boxing and the rest of us have all gotten used to doing something other than mining for income. Mining has already been terrible for the last few years--mainly due to the old drone mechanics, ease of botting, and t1 loot drops. This isn't a "waaaah I'm not making enough cash" problem; it is a "this is a bad setup for the game in the long-term" problem.


No one was misled--you were just wrong and smug about it because you are a moron.

Money maker or not is beyond the issue at hand. The problem is that highsec mining has far less risk and far more reward than nullsec mining. The whole crying argument is crap here too because whining on the forums is the premier tactic of highsec miners, I'm fighting fire with fire.

I tend to disagree with you on most things. But I liked your post because I actually agree with you on this one.

I LOL'd so hard.

You're right you shouldn't have to adapt or change anything it's all those damned highsec miners that should have to change!!! Keep up the good fight for non adaptive game play!

Why should we have to adapt when we can whine on the forums and eventually CCP will change something so our incompetence can continue unhindered :smith:.

I think part of the reason this imbalance occurs is there is not enough of certain minerals in the rocks in hi sec, there is in effect an infinite amount of ore in null sec as long as you cycle the grav sites, in hi sec you can easily pop all the scordite in a belt with one covetor in a small amount of time. THis means the there is a shortfall in total, since pyer is to bulky to ship out of null it does not help. There is also very litle scordite in missions, and no hi sec anomolies with scordite in it.

If there was a way to mine the scordite in low sec it may balance, but everyone knows that is not a long term economically viable way to make isk.

Basically if scordite was more available in hi sec, more would be mined, the pyer price would drop and most likley all other minerals would rise since pyer would lose its semi bottleneck position.
Allso, scord can be painful to mine (pops in 1 1/2 cycles) is spread out and generally not as avaialble especially in areas safe from can flipping. So even scodite is actually the sometimes 2-4th best rock per m3 it may actually yeild lower isk/hr due to incoveniance.

how to mine and move minerals on the cheep and fast in 0.0.

MINE MINE MINE MINE

put up pos with ammo build arry and make bombs

move bombs to empire

Not sure if serious.

what you dont like a 16 to 1 compression ratio that use almost 10 x more minerals than a railgun ?, sure its not as good as the 20 to 1 ratio of rail guns but on the flip side it takes alot less time to fill a jf or seven, at max produktion of 1 bpo it takes you 30 hours to fill a jf, can you tell me the same with one railgun bpo ?

You don't quite understand what "Extra Materials" mean, do you?