The rarest and most sought-after ore in the known universe. A sizable nugget of this can sweep anyone from rags to riches in no time. Arkonor has the largest amount of megacyte of any ore, and also contains some zydrine and tritanium.

Scordite is amongst the most common ore types in the known universe. It has a large portion of tritanium plus a fair bit of pyerite. Good choice for those starting their mining careers.

Wow do you ever come off sounding like a spoiled brat. CCP I want so give it to me. I am supposed to be king!

On reply 1 - We have been hidden belts in null/wh's for years now. So I find little in that argument for why prices are out of whack. That seems to be coming from people that want to blame null miners for their own loss in profit while they reap the rewards of the new price structure in high sec.

I don't think hes being a brat... More risk generally = more reward... And he countered most points very well.. But I still think this is something that should wait.... people have been doing a lot of market vodoo with stockpiling stuff and I cant help but think that it is effecting things right now.

More people are doing it. It's not the individual that matters; collectively, people mining in Nullsec are producing more Nullsec ore than they used to. That leads to prices dropping. My guess is that this is because there has been an increase in the number of people mining in Nullsec (as opposed to an increase in the output of each person).

There is no "new price structure," there's just been a demographic change. Less (or the same) HS miners and More Nullsec miners.

The replies to calls to balance ore usually fall within the following replies:

1. Nullbears are mining too much and have tanked the market for high ends - blame yourself.
2. The market determines prices, not CCP. Get a clue.

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Ok but the only ships (cap) ships that require a lot of low end minerals are not built in high sec anyway.
So why are all of those low end minerals over suppling high sec? That only makes them cheaper.
The bulk should stay where the production of cap ships are. Now that does a few things it makes them scarce in high sec and hard to reach. And drives the price up. Unless they are way oversupplied at the cap ship source as well?

Demand has a huge effect. If you are an industrialist demand plays a large role in your choice of shop locations. And not just for sales but for the entire supply chain including ores.

Again I can see why CCP set the cap ships to use a lot of low end ores because they are made there.
Ships that are made in high sec use mostly high sec ores. But I am still talking about ratios. 100,000 trit is used for every 1 megacyte in the high sec market. If you supply to that market 100,000 megacyte then in order to use it up we need 10,000,000,000 trit. That is where the demand comes in. Suppling enough high sec ores for the amount of low end.
There is a mismatch right now in that way too many low ends are waiting to be used. Maybe a cap ship war will use them up?

I would agree with this if I saw prices slowly changing over time. However, we had a dramatic price shift all in the last few months. I'm not convinced that's due to more people mining in null/wh's because we would have seen this happen over several years. Additionally, if this were true, Arkonor would also be tanking in price but it's not. That to me is an indication that the refining values for the ores compared to their availability are not balanced in the way the game was created.

So, given the current state of play, the answer is for the market to generate significant amounts of additional high-sec ores. That of course means more people mining in high-sec. Only way that demand is going to be satisfied and so prices fall.

However.. given this game's obsession with strangling the supply through hulkageddon etc I wouldn't bet on prices falling just yet.

So, given the current state of play, the answer is for the market to generate significant amounts of additional high-sec ores. That of course means more people mining in high-sec. Only way that demand is going to be satisfied and so prices fall.

However.. given this game's obsession with strangling the supply through hulkageddon etc I wouldn't bet on prices falling just yet.

Hulkageddon was never that big of an issue to begin with, and with the Retriever and Mackinaw, smart miners will move to quiet, non station systems to mine

i got an idea it would also get more miners into low sec when coupled with other ideas i got.

remove both omber and kernite from hi sec and place them in low sec

Scordite is worth more than both omber and Kernite. So is pyro and plag. You think people would go through the extra trouble of low sec for lesser profit?

you forget about what you get from refining omber and kernite

You mean the little isogen? Did you check the price of pyerite? The only thing beating scordite right now is Akronor and Mercoxit. Those 2 require operation in null sec with the already covered extra work required to mine it. The is a reason nobody mines in low sec and it's probably not gonna change anytime soon.

unless something has changed that i aint quite aware of omber and kernit is the only 2 high sec ore that contain any isogen kernite is also the ore that holds the most of mex of any ore in the game.

It is my belief that CCP nerfed the drone poo because when they do the data dump every day at down time they found that players were generating more minerals from drone poo than they were from mining. That was not what they wanted from the game as miners were supposed to have a reason to exist and have a career. It is in the game plan for eve.
They could determine the amount of minerals generated by mining and used in construction on a daily basis in eve.

Once the source of minerals ended from drone poo then they had to be made up by miners. Now IMO it is the ratio of the null sec minerals compared to the high sec mineral that went askew after the drone poo removal. Perhaps not because of overmining of null ores. But because of under mining of high sec ores. Not enough was getting mined to meet the demand and therefore the excess null minerals began to pile up.

Human nature being what it is the majority of active miners want to mine that which makes the most money. Or mine ice. It was not considered cool to mine trit or scordite. You can see it here in this thread first hand. The op is of a mind that he will never stoop so low as to move to high sec to mine valuable ores. Because he is stuburn and wants the most valuable ores to be the ones he is mining because they are most expensive. Thus he should be rich. That is the basis of his argument. He will not go and mine that which currently pays well to mine. It is that easy but no will not do it.

Question how many others are of that same opinion? And how many are mining ice? How high does the value of mining trit and scordite have to go before miners decide to mine it enmass? And that is why the ratio is out of whack.
I believe before the drone poo nerf more than 1/2 of these minerals came from drone poo and the miners have not yet made up that slack. I can tell because it is hard to find those minerals or enough of those minerals to build anything. So the cost goes up on them. I am slowed up in my construction because of lack of trit and pyrite. The rest I can get enough of or too much of. I am often mining my own trit and pyrite which slows down my construction to the speed at which I can mine.

Point is and I think CCP is also waiting for it, is for miners to take it upon themselves to mine enough of these ores to serve the market place. It is a sure bet that the op will never do this no matter high how trit goes. He will just complain about it louder and louder as the costs of trit and pyrite climbs. I can see the devs at CCP actually chuckling to themselves about the issue as they have the raw data on the daily data dumps.

Now to the point of the real issue. Because of the ratios of these ores and how they are used in construction, EVE needs 20 active high sec miners for every null sec miner to have a balanced amount of these ores on the market. I bet the real ratio is more like 8 to 1 in eve right now. We need to double the number of miners in high sec or 1/2 the number in null to get to the right ratio. The market price is suposed to convince miners to follow the money. But the op prefers to complain about it rather than move to where the money is. So how is CCP going to convince null sec miners to move to high sec? Just like CCP is going to convince high sec players to move to null right? We already see that players go where they think they belong because of preconcieved bias.

Let me bottom line it. You can not just mine the ore you want to and expect someone to pay you top dollar for it. That is not realistc. Just like a builder can not just build a crap ton of expensive stuff and dump it on the market and expect everyone to buy it all up. If the players stop buying it they stop and you sell at a loss. It works that way for the builders AND it works that way for the miner. You are not entitled to top dollar just because it is expensive ore you are mining. You only get to sell it for what the market is willing to pay for it. If you do not like it go find ore that is in demand. It is not that hard or difficult to do. But oh wait lets cry to CCP to fix it for us. Man ok set that precedent now then the builders get to complain and get CCP to protect their income as well. How stupid is this that we can even consider this as a valid complaint.

unless something has changed that i aint quite aware of omber and kernit is the only 2 high sec ore that contain any isogen kernite is also the ore that holds the most of mex of any ore in the game.

You only get to sell it for what the market is willing to pay for it.

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In terms of weight to return Plagioclase gives you more Mexallon than Kernite. The main use for Kernite is to complete level four storyline missions. Other than for that use it's way to heavy & slow to mine and haul so I would generally advise not mining Kernite.

Omber does have Isogen in it and I do mine that for Isogen though.

so whats your thought on that idea as far as both the market gose and trying to get people into low sec seing you obviosly do mine it and notice the impact it may have

So is the same for ships, however I think you'll find that CCP considers blowing ships up an isk sink.

Nice going dumbass.

Still useless as long as the market currently hold as it is. Unless the price of Isogen start going up really high, moving omber and kernite to low sec will make no difference.