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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
223
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Posted - 2012.10.05 14:08:00 -
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Would giving these ships 3 weapons for their 3 slots (compared to the 2 they have now) bring these ships too close to designated combat frigates? I really love the special roles, but the more frigates actually being viable in combat the better... All other frigates would still be better for combat, but it gives people an extra choice for whatever reason they have and the ability to surprise an enemy when they expect an unarmed combat ship is a big force to Eve Gameplay. Please... None of the stats I see could be a threat towards the other combat oriented ships even with a full rack.
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Blastil
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.10.06 17:26:00 -
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Am I the only one who sees these as pretty much useless in frigate fights? even with the range bonus it will be hard to keep up with faster attack frigates.
Where I DO see these working well (and this is a good thing) is working in groups helping sniper battleships since they do as much rep as an un-bonused large rep. Alternately in supporting groups of t1 cruisers or t2 sniper ships (but they're more vunlerable against medi |
Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
65
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Posted - 2012.10.06 20:36:00 -
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@ CCP Fozzie how about reducing the pg/cpu on energy transfers aswell? |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
123
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:36:00 -
[454] - Quote
Fix ECM whilst you're at it. |
VNX
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
0
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:36:00 -
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Only time will tell, but my only concern is that this might kill solo frig pvp, and thats a shame.. |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
116
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:47:00 -
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CCP Fozzie
It seems that yourself [especially yourself] as well as CCP seem intent on fixing things which are not broken yet refuse to fix things which are broken.
I very much doubt that I myself will ever see a frigate logi cruiser down in null sec. It will be a killed in seconds.. end of story
You'll probably make these really easy and fast to get into also? a week to train frigate to 5 is all you'll need? then you can train logistics.
Fix POS....we've only been waiting to fit subsystems for how long now?
When will you actually sort out railguns? They're still epicly rubbish, can they even track a frieghter? [had to for lulz]
There is much too fix, yet you continue to implement stuff into the game which is not needed. I think a long hard look at the priorities is a must.
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unbless83
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:17:00 -
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um, if ur cutting the cycle times on the reps... how are these lil frigs gonna have enough cap to stable rep anything?
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
5876
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:20:00 -
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Nice... how about redesigning the Bantam while you're at it... hm? Ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire! |
standsalone
Deaths Head Brigade Extinction Level Event.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:36:00 -
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I like the idea.
i love frig combat, many think its a waste of time...
you can now have fast cheap escort fleets.
A cheap way to help a friend out
i think that this will bring more people into it which means more chances of running into other frigs to engage
theres quite a bit of complaining about how this will make things harder or how its too overpowered with a logi frig against you... well, whats stopping you from getting a couple destroyers?
the low-sec guys might not like this logi thing but in nullsec. i expect to run into a lot of frig roams and i cant wait!! |
Snow Iskold
Arturis Coalition TERRA FIRMA.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:39:00 -
[460] - Quote
This seems WAY too normalized. It seems that as time progresses Eve is suffering from the same problem that destroyed Starcraft 1. As the game progressed and more and more "balancing and improvement" patches came out, there became little to no difference between the races.
Almost identical slot layouts, exactly the same mod bonuses, it's lazy game balancing. Why not give the gallente and amarr logi frigs a larger drone bay and a boost to logi DRONES and drop them to 1 HI slot to avoid OP logi frigs.
Give the minmatar a little more capability for firepower and speed, smaller sig radius, but make them a little weaker on the defense, so that they are in line with the entire idea for minmatar, Offence > Defense.
All things in this game do not need to be 100% equal, they need to be powerful in some ways weak in others, so that in some situations they are strong, and others not. Come on people! |
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Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
7
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:54:00 -
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Please give them alternate boni for Tracking Links, Remote Sensor Boosters, Remote ECCM and Energy Transfer pleaaase |
The Bazzalisk
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:18:00 -
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New ship roles are great and all, but other than lulz frigate roams, I can't see any practical use for these. inb4 they are purely used for cynos. |
Kagumichan
Deorbit Burners
2
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:40:00 -
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I'm gonna take a guess that hopefully the new destroyers are gonna be as cheap as currently existing destroyers, and then hopefully smaller and faster so they can have the speed and agility to keep up with frigs too, so they can be a good counter to these new logi frigates, making small gang pvp a bit more varied, and again hopefully will have more balanced slots 'cos the coercers single mid-slot at the moment makes it useless as anything other than a cheap salvage ship since 8 lasers plus an armour rep makes it cap drain unmanagebly fast.
May try and convince my corp to get into frig PvP once these are going though 'cos it sounds like a lot of fun.
Any chance that the size of destroyers will be altered? At the moment they're as large as cruisers and that doesn't make all much sense... |
Gaara's sniper
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:18:00 -
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solo pvp is dead. Now for sure. |
Daniel Essig
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:33:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:When will you introduce equally powerful cheap-ass mini-Titans with jump-portaling ability? This will be perfectly in line with CCP general idea of making everything available to everyone.
The exact opposite of what you just said, is one of the reasons EVE has issues attracting new players.
Think . |
Borachon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:50:00 -
[466] - Quote
And here I was hoping the Navitas would get a hull rep bonus to help all of the Taranis pilots out there. |
Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
67
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:05:00 -
[467] - Quote
Borachon wrote:And here I was hoping the Navitas would get a hull rep bonus to help all of the Taranis pilots out there.
Lol but you have a point there most gallente blaster frigs hull tank It would be nice if they did make it viable at hull repping that's a area that could do with some love. |
Quontor Zarrkos
Zervas Aeronautics WHY so Seri0Us
1
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:01:00 -
[468] - Quote
Quote:Please give them alternate boni for Tracking Links, Remote Sensor Boosters, Remote ECCM and Energy Transfer pleaaase
I second this, this is great. However the one with energy transfer bonus could be a bit unbalanced. |
Bruce Destro
HIFI INDUSTRIAL
7
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Posted - 2012.10.09 20:57:00 -
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Having seven targets in a frigate is a bit ridiculous. i feel it should be more around 5, and require target switching in somewhat larger fleets. this will also help younger pilots get the feel of much larger fleets, as well as give solo pilots a BIT of a chance. |
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
22
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:10:00 -
[470] - Quote
I thought the logi frigs were supposed to fit medium remote reps (same as logi cruisers fit larges) |
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GizzyBoy
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
18
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Posted - 2012.10.17 05:57:00 -
[471] - Quote
I knew there was a reason i stock piled 50 centii a-type small remote armour reps at 10k each =D Cha Ching! |
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
65
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Posted - 2012.10.25 06:52:00 -
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Looking back on all of this, these logi frigs just make more and more sense as other changes are revealed. You won't be seeing the annoying neutral RR in hisec with the Crime Watch changes. The new missile destroyers will just alpha these out of existence, or the Amarr one will neut them dry, or the Gallente one will droneswarm them. Nevermind the EW frig changes.
There are so many counters to these things. Don't declare solo dead just yet. |
Brego Tralowski
T1 Module Supplies.
67
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:18:00 -
[473] - Quote
What a great addition to the game I sense RvB will have a field day with these in their fleets!
Supplying Quality goods to the masses.
See 'T1 Module supplies' for all your T1 needs or T1.com in game chat. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
212
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:35:00 -
[474] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:serras bang wrote:wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ? I completely agree.
Doing the same with existing T1 logi cruisers? Does that mean there will also be a new ORE cruiser mining ship in the spring 2013 expansion?
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Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
144
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Posted - 2012.10.25 19:00:00 -
[475] - Quote
Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:I thought the logi frigs were supposed to fit medium remote reps (same as logi cruisers fit larges)
T2 logi cruisers fit larges. The new T1 logi cruisers are designed around medium reps, so it makes sense that the new T1 logi frigates would be designed around small reps.
Now, if T2 logi frigates ever appear... |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
193
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Posted - 2012.10.25 22:31:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Now, if T2 logi frigates ever appear... T2 navitas with capital hull repairs is a go. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2044
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Posted - 2012.10.25 22:40:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:serras bang wrote:wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ? I completely agree. Doing the same with existing T1 logi cruisers? Does that mean there will also be a new ORE cruiser mining ship in the spring 2013 expansion?
ORE has a complete line of mining barges in T1 and T2 variants for your excavation needs. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
552
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Posted - 2012.10.25 22:49:00 -
[478] - Quote
Switch Navitas armor repping bonus with a hull repping bonus and we're good to go.
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S1dy
Twinstar Universal Services Ewoks
0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:37:00 -
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Because of this changes and that comment, i made a few runs in the new EFT.
It is possible to fit Medium Shield Transfer but not viable cause the Burst is only able to fit 1 Meta Medium Shield Transfer that boosts 288 HP in 5 s. With 3 Small Shield Transfers it is able to boost 216 HP in 2.25 s. So you have 480 HP in 5 s. There's also the EHP issue, as always, where a Small Shield Transfer Burst has 5799. A Medium Shield Transfer Burst got only 3712 EHP with MWD (not capstable) and 3809 EHP with AB. And even the range isn't that much better. A Medium Shield Transfer has 36 km range, the small one 28.8 km.
Here's another one:
[Burst, PvP Burst Medium] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter 'Regard' Power Projector
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I
It needs a 2% Power Grid Implant (or you fit a T2 Rig) and capacitor lasts for 48 s all online or 1m 8s with Invu offline. It's capstable with only 1 Medium Shield Transfer online (-15,6/+21,6), so you could pulse with the second one if the fight is in its heat. But then again there are nearly no EHP (2919 at max), no Propulsion with only 414 m/s and the Energy Transfer has a 4.2 km range. Even with its 576 HP boost in 5s it's not viable in my opinion.
The Bantam needs no futher look at because its slotlayout is even crappier for Medium Shield Transfers. So i don't see any advantage with this new fitting requirements. |
Cadava Mendosa
Blackstar Privateer Consortium Enigma Project
2
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:23:00 -
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Am I missing something? I didn't think the support frigates were meant to be able to fit medium reppers? I thought that was the realm of cruisers and RR setups? |
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