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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:58:00 -
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When will you introduce equally powerful cheap-ass mini-Titans with jump-portaling ability? This will be perfectly in line with CCP general idea of making everything available to everyone.
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Bubanni
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
424
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:00:00 -
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+1 respect for this :D with max skills and tech 2 reps, they will do 432 hitpoints per 4.5 sec, it's not so bad
Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275
Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
5
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:00:00 -
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I don't think these will overpower AFs and the like, as Michael suggests. While they will provide significant tank to a teammate, if they decide to fit a MWD they will cap themselves rather quickly. They can choose to either do their intended purpose of repping, OR avoid the pursuing badass AF.
Think of them as the fat kid sharing candy. They can sprint faster than the bully...but not for long! |
Miura Bull
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:00:00 -
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Good grief.
+1 everything Michael said.  |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
266
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:03:00 -
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So if you use carriers to rep POSs, you use these to rep GSCs? :D |
Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:04:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:When will you introduce equally powerful cheap-ass mini-Titans with jump-portaling ability? This will be perfectly in line with CCP general idea of making everything available to everyone.
Yes, how dare newbies have a low skill option to see if they like a ship before they spend months training for the big boy version! Just because you walked uphill both ways to school in the snow without shoes doesn't mean your kids have to. Things get better as time goes on. |
Penelope Star
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:04:00 -
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the Healing Burst  Looking forward to flying it !
I know your type: -á tall, dark and dead |
Belsina
STAHLSTURM
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:07:00 -
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its fine that u redo the minig frigs to logi frigs but then u should redo the tormentor instead of the inquisitor
because the inquisitor is reserved as rocket missile boat (because ccp said there'll be a rocket/missile frig for every race)
think bout it ;) |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
1066
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:08:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is nearly unbreakable in a 1v1 situation with another frigate, even a gank fitted enyo.
Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - these frigs are faster than assault frigates, gl with catching them while scrammed and webbed.
But if there's a logi frigate it's no longer a 1v1, it's a 1v2. Add a second ship on the other side and the picture changes a lot (or swap the logi frigate for another Merlin and the picture stays pretty similar).
Also keep in mind that the mass on these ships changes their speed when ABing and MWDing. They're already fairly slow (the Burst (335m/s) is closer to the speed of a Punisher (330m/s) than the speed of a Rifter (355m/s)). And with a MWD running the Enyo is actually the same speed as a Navitas since the Enyo has significantly lower mass. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
1066
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:10:00 -
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Belsina wrote:its fine that u redo the minig frigs to logi frigs but then u should redo the tormentor instead of the inquisitor
because the inquisitor is reserved as rocket missile boat (because ccp said there'll be a rocket/missile frig for every race)
think bout it ;)
Since that dev blog was released the plans for frigates have changed. The Tristan is now planned as a drone boat and the Inquisitor as a logi frigate instead of missiles.
Both of those races have no other tech one missile bonused ships, so the decision was made that a logistics frigate would serve them better. |
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Uranium 242
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:12:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:When will you introduce equally powerful cheap-ass mini-Titans with jump-portaling ability? This will be perfectly in line with CCP general idea of making everything available to everyone.
**** off with this elitist bullshit. Everyone needs more logistics support and giving new players or even bitter vets a cheapish, low skillpoint way to play a role that is sorely needed is a positive overall.
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
8
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:12:00 -
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so fozzie besides maybe adding some more drones to these ships what t2 frigs will be out for winter ? |
Azula Kishtar
Lonely among the Stars
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:17:00 -
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I'm sad that i will never see my solo PvP Bantam come true now.
But i still like this overall. I may have to rejoin RvB for a while when these Frigates hit TQ, because i can see RvB using them all over the place. They never really used T2 Logis or their T1 counterparts, but i think they will give those here a try. And i want to see how that plays out.
FW will see some use, too, i guess.
As for the ship stats themselves, i can't really say anything about that. I don't know much about remote repping, so i don't know how well their stats are balanced among the class. |
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
5
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:23:00 -
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What I can definitely see happening is wolfpack gangs of frigs taking on gangs of larger ships. This will force the group of larger ships to call in or reship to smaller ships. Hopefully this will generate the "battles within battles" of frigates that was mentioned in the Alliance Tournament.
Hopefully, frigates will be relevant again. And not just for solo or newbies. |
Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
57
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:23:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:Looks good on paper but if I remember correctly, most of the time in Frig Roams most frigs insta-pop even in small pvp engagements. New Logi pilots --- needed to learn how to be frustrated? I dont ever remember frig fights where I had enough time to even broadcast for reps never mind lock someone else and provide them. Exercise in futility, 0 for 2 with CCP F.uck it up. First making mining worthless again and now this? Maybe you want to to try your luck at drawing pretty laserz in the graphics department, management might feel like they are getting something for that paycheck.
Why are you even here? |
Kitty Vintner
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:28:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
One concern I have is that this is going to further encourage multiboxing. Where currently everyone and their grandma has an off-grid booster and call it "solo", now they're going to have one more account for this "pocket healer". I mean it's great for CCP income-wise, but this will wreck a new player experience.
My new player experience: "Logistics ships look cool, let's just plot it out in evemon-oh it'll take like five months to get into one ~nevermind~". |
BBQ FTW
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:33:00 -
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excellent, clearly the game needs more piloting-independent methods of providing damage mitigation
good job ccp |
Haraku Malzahar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:33:00 -
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Shiroh Yatamii wrote:Hopefully, frigates will be relevant again. And not just for solo or newbies.
because frigates are at all currently used, right?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3716&m=8&y=2012&scl_id=4 |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers
Greater Realms
153
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:40:00 -
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Massive +1 from me, these look fun as hell to fly.
I write a blog. I think people read it. http://throughnewbeyes.wordpress.com
Mate |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
251
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:42:00 -
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BBQ FTW wrote:excellent, clearly the game needs more piloting-independent methods of providing damage mitigation
good job ccp
Orbit, f1 f2 f3 is super hard |
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Sven Wolfbane
Violent Alternatives
C0NVICTED
2
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:44:00 -
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wtb T3 frigates .. it's about time CCP... |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
9
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:48:00 -
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wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
1070
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:49:00 -
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serras bang wrote:wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?
I completely agree. |
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Mizhir
Club Bear
73
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:51:00 -
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Sweet
These are gonna shake everything up in small scale cheap ass combat. Perfect for RVB :)
And long range frigs might be more useful now. To drive off the enemy logi frigs. |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
251
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:53:00 -
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how does this not make solo pvp exponentially harder? |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility
Kraken.
60
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:54:00 -
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This probably shouldn't be done. Logistics and ECM are both very powerful, but logistics is limited to less than a few of ships (gimped on most). Proliferation of logistics is a dangerous move. Possibly even a dumb move. |
Gabriel Luis
Applied Creations
The Fendahlian Collective
1
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:55:00 -
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I think the Amarr one should get a cap bonus like the Augoror. Then it would be very viable to have some logi in frigate fleets.
(tl;dr) |
Mizhir
Club Bear
73
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:55:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:how does this not make solo pvp exponentially harder?
Actually I was thinking about the same. I doubt Kil2 will like this. But if CCP balances it well it should be possible to deal with them as solo pvpers. Atleast I hope. |
Geoscape
RvB - BLUE Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:58:00 -
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I am so happy right now 
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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:58:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:serras bang wrote:wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ? I completely agree.
well...
logically, shouldn't we have a (new) logi destroyer between these new logi T1 frigs and the (future revamped/balanced) logi t1 cruisers?
we have a brawler destoyers... looking at all these frig changes and roles, I would say we need 1 line of sniper destroyers, 1 line of elect. warfare destroyers and now a new line of logi destoyers to make the bridge between the new revamp t1 frigates and the future t1 (revamped/balanced) cruisers
Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
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