We don't have any plans to release tech one ships made by the tech two ship producers.

Khanid faction ships would be cool, maybe someday.

I wouldn't worry about Griffins. Worry about Crucifiers. A new Crucifier will be able to take a Scorch Geddon to a 500m optimal.

-Liang

A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is nearly unbreakable in a 1v1 situation with another frigate, even a gank fitted enyo.

Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - these frigs are faster than assault frigates, gl with catching them while scrammed and webbed.

.... two things, no three

first, eve isn't balanced around 1v1

second, that's not a 1v1 scenario

third, biomass yourself /ingame

There are not 10-15 battleships duking it out in the alliance tournament. In fact, the fact that ANYTHING died in the alliance tournament is proof positive that your argument is just flat wrong.

So your opinion is that 2 poorly skilled tech 1 frigates should be able to easily kill without micromanaging modules, manual piloting or special tactics, a maxed out perfectly flown tech 2 frigate?

Or hell. Do you really want to argue that 3 poorly skilled tech 1 frigates, again, without excellent piloting or special tactics should be able to kill a cruiser specifically designed to kill frigates?

Are you new to eve?

The problem is, there's hardly a counter for logistics, and it wrecks combat to know that you can regularly design nearly unbreakable setups in this game. This game was far better off when logistics weren't so ******* retardedly strong.

how does this not make solo pvp exponentially harder?

So your opinion is that 2 poorly skilled tech 1 frigates should be able to easily kill without micromanaging modules, manual piloting or special tactics, a maxed out perfectly flown tech 2 frigate?

Or hell. Do you really want to argue that 3 poorly skilled tech 1 frigates, again, without excellent piloting or special tactics should be able to kill a cruiser specifically designed to kill frigates?

So does this mean you're gonna make armor reps start at the beginning of the cycle? Because 5 seconds is a long time to wait for a rep to land in a frigate.

A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is nearly unbreakable in a 1v1 situation with another frigate, even a gank fitted enyo.

Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - these frigs are faster than assault frigates, gl with catching them while scrammed and webbed.

Got to page 4 and saw no response to this Fozzie. While conceptually I like a tech I logi frigate and an improved tech I logi cruiser, you really need to rethink some of the current mechanics in the game. Having the remote armor reps take 5 seconds after lock forces more and bigger plates on armor frigs. This in turn reduces their mobility even more. Just another scenario of reinforcing the supremacy of shield kiting ships in the game (here at the frigate level).

Call me nostalgic but I would have loved to see the Navitas made into the drone boat. It just looks so awesome, especially alongside the Vexor, Myrmidon and Dominix. The Tristan never looked very Gallente to me. I don't suppose you're willing to swap the models around, but maintain the same stats? You did it once with the Helios :)

Can you make the Inquisitor and Navitas faster? The Small Remote Repair Augmentor is going to slow these two down even more. Racial templates is nice and all but you need to take into account the slow down from plates and armor rigs. As it is the shields once can field a nice local tank thanks to ASB's.

Are you so ******** as to say that 1 logistics is able to prevent an entire group of ships from dieing? no, 1 logistic can be killed, which is why my entire arguement surrounds scaling you ******** *******. My point about the tournament was how fights where the SOLO logistic wasn't targeted first showed massive tanking of 3 highly speced cr bs fits, or multiple command ships. Any normal fight won't see such ideal conditions for the offensive side as that tournament showed, and yet the logistics were still highly powerful.

The problem is, there's hardly a counter for logistics, and it wrecks combat to know that you can regularly design nearly unbreakable setups in this game. This game was far better off when logistics weren't so ******* retardedly strong.

Nobody in this game finds it fun when the other side is unbreakable... it just leads to fights that take way too long to decide, for hardly any real action.

unlike eaf ewar remote reps stack infinitely.
There is no reason to not spam these ships and b
put every single new player in one

I completely agree.

Khanid faction ships would be cool, maybe someday.

Call me nostalgic but I would have loved to see the Navitas made into the drone boat. It just looks so awesome, especially alongside the Vexor, Myrmidon and Dominix. The Tristan never looked very Gallente to me. I don't suppose you're willing to swap the models around, but maintain the same stats? You did it once with the Helios :)

Putting them in heavy neut range without the slots for a cap booster is kinda mean. ;-)

-Liang