Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Thread will be ignored till it's past 100 if even then.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Thread will be ignored till it's past 100 if even then.

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100 what? We are alredy past 1.000 and 100.000

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Thread will be ignored till it's past 100 if even then.

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100 what? We are alredy past 1.000 and 100.000

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Originally by: Quartex

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I hope this is just about an excitable guy in marketing sharing their great ideas to create revenue. Every big company has them. Those drawing the big pay cheques then knock the edges of the ideas off and smooth the brighter thinking into potential policy.

It makes sense to seek new revenue streams for the game and innovation really isn't a bad thing and should be encouraged.

The danger in the thinking that this "memo" espouses and the early signs of it's similarity to the direction of travel evidenced by Incarna is that we are moving away from the sandbox.

Once you start allowing people to pay for priviledge and power in the game you have fundamentally changed it's appeal and the risk and reward balance. It's OK to allow meta gaming and its always been there, RMT goes beyond the pale and the thought that RMT could pay for power and space would sound like a death knell across New Eden.

Leave vanity purchases in. Anything that does not affect gameplay can be paid for, make that your mantra and let loose the innovative minds of the CCP team. You want an orange ship, well it'll cost you, you can have a monocle too if you'd like and gunless luxury yacht that everyone knows cost you a small fortune.

Dust is new, Dust is the place to go beyond the sandbox but don't kill your cash cow. If that memo is true then you have a lot of persuading to do and marketing to bring in the people who will pay for it's ideas, if it isn't then you have a lot of explaining to do to calm people down.

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I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, IÆd like to sell a lot more than vanity items.

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Originally by: Belid Hagen

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This is what happens when you put members of goonswarm in charge of leading CCP's direction.

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 23/06/2011 22:32:30
Thread will be ignored till it's past 100 pages if even then. Dev's and mods are in ninja mode till patch tuesday working their asses off to try to push forth some more fluff that will distract your average player.

Then we might see some post along the lines of " I work so hard for you bebe, why don't you luff me ".

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 22:29:49
Not even VALVE are selling game changing items.

They still sit behind that "vanity" line.

THEY KNOW THE DANGER, they have even stated this fact.

Valve is smart, valve is rich because they are smart.

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Originally by: Republica Winder

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Originally by: Miilla

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I guess when we interview an Ex CCP employee we strike them off the hire list. Untrustable.

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Not exactly. Right now, it's the senior managers who get that tag.

However, if they don't 100% retract all this crap, the CCP employees REMAINING 6 months from now should go on any "do not hire" list.

If they follow the same pattern SOE did into downfall, what is happening right now is their best people all realize that the light at the end of the tunnel is the onrushing train. They are hard at work right now finding new gigs.

What will be left will be a mix of evil and incompetent types who agreed with this move, new hires with no experience, and those who might have WANTED to leave but weren't good enough to land a job anywhere else.

The result will be a Dev staff that is completely incapable of making anything.

That's what happened with SOE. When the NGE hit, their best talent ran to the exits, STARTING with Raph Koster (who designed Pre-NGE SWG). Fast forward to their next major new MMO release, DC Universe Online. They spent 5 years and $50 million developing it. They put all the resources necessary to produce an AAA title. They put their best people on it.

The end product was a piece of crap full of PVP exploits and not enough content to keep people playing past the first 2 weeks. They are merging servers down to 4. The game will likely have all remaining development cut off before it's even 1 year old.

The lesson: Pulling a NGE is company destroying. Even IF you manage to survive it and keep going, the end result not only is a horrific reputation with customers, but with INDUSTRY TALENT. SOE can't hire top level talent to work for them in Austin or San Diego, much more appealing places than Iceland. Which tells me that CCP will ultimately end up in even worse shape.

Again, assuming they survive this, they don't have other MMOs to live off of like SOE did. They are killing their ONE REVENUE SOURCE.

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Originally by: Belid Hagen

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This is what happens when you put members of goonswarm in charge of leading CCP's direction.

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Originally by: Jonny Utrigas

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Originally by: Erichan

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yeah there is no more doubt that its real, just what to do about it...

People seem to fall into a few camps:

1)don't care--carry on
2)unsub but waiting to see what CCP says
3)those unsubbed waiting to microwave their toons
4)the silent many who have already left

I'm in camp 2 atm :/

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There's a 5th.
Those that are still subbed and awaiting some action or inaction from CCP before they ragequit.

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Originally by: RC Denton

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Since this is the thread they say they're monitoring for this stuff I'll post my $.02.

If microtransactions are constrained to vanity items that don't have a significant impact on game play, then I really don't care. I'm not being forced to pay real $$$ on top of the subscription fee to stay competitive. If, however, they start selling performance and progression impacting items (+6 implants or whatever) which must be bought with real $$$ and can't be bought with ISK then I will probably stop playing the game, and I've been playing since 2006.

Being able to purchase everything with isk levels the playing field. If I want to spend $$$ to get the spiffy new whatchamacallit then I can do so, but I'm not gated from getting it if I don't. It will just take longer to make the isk in game.

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Originally by: Emperor Cheney

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There's something about business leaders, over and over, in all different industries, prioritizing a short term expected, theoretical revenue bump over continued long term success. It's weird.

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.

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Originally by: CCP Games, Tyranis Expansion, Summer 2010

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...and greed so destructive.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So hereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.

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Originally by: Ohh Yeah

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Edited by: Ohh Yeah on 23/06/2011 22:35:26

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE

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Thread will be ignored till it's past 100 if even then.

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100 what? We are alredy past 1.000 and 100.000

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Pages you blithering idiot

snypaaaaah

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Originally by: Velicitia

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.

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for anyone too young to have been there when Trinity came out.

WATCH THIS

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