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Bieber Fever	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:52:00 - [151] CCP didn't listen in the many months leading up this, I doubt they would listen now. You can only do so much for someone, CCP is lost.
Nimbat	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:52:00 - [152] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: CCP Pann ItÆs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. Really. Quote: Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches? No. Quote: As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Did you miss the 75 page threadnaught over "Greed Is Good"? Here, let me link it for you: http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v. I will continue to link it everywhere until the situation is resolved to my satisfaction, my accounts expire, or I am banned. It is very disrespectful of your customers, and outlines a strong desire by the Lead Game Designer of Flying In Space to make the entire game -- including PVP -- revolve around paying $10 for a new set of Noble autocannons every week. With regards to the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.... that's just pants on head stupid ****ed . Quote: Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. I have to admit, I was extremely underwhelmed. Go play Mass Effect and visit the strip club. This is what I want for my CQ, if I must have one. Furthermore, I don't want to see my CQ unless I want to see my CQ. There's no content in it for someone that wants to blow up in space and most of the time I'm docked its to switch ships not with the ing couch. Also, running... heard of it? man, total disappointment. Quote: Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. NO ING . Having CQ (and Incarna) be optional would be a great start. After that, maybe hiring artists who have experience would be a good start. (See twitter conversations for details, or talk to Hesperius). Quote: I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing Threadnaught and leaked newsletter? Comments? Quote: If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it. I have been a "pillar of the community" for years... but you guys are ing with my hobby. I get angry when you with my hobby. You guys are **ing with the future of my favorite game company. STOP THE MADNESS DAMMIT. Microtransactions for in game benefit are going to ruin this game. -Liang CCP, I've never seen Liang this angry. I don't want him to be angry, he is among the great gods in this community that provide comfort and knowledge. Fix this CCP. You better damn well fix my beloved Liang.
Mike Azariah	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:52:00 - [153] Reserved for comment before I wind up on the 20th page . . m
Evelgrivion Gunpoint Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:52:00 - [154] Edited by: Evelgrivion on 24/06/2011 00:53:18 Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. You get a pass on this, Valerie, but your bosses do not. We are beyond sick and tired of game designers and marketing jockeys hiding behind lower level employees and community mouthpieces. We need answers from THEM, and we need those answers NOW.
Khalia Nestune Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [155] Speaking on behalf of My Loot Your Tears: The most important thing we want to know about is the leaked memo. Does it represent what CCP is actively working and planning on right now?
Misan Pal'taek Minmatar Loke's Shadow Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [156] Originally by: Iurnan Mileghere Edited by: Iurnan Mileghere on 24/06/2011 00:39:31 The chief complaint is micro transactions. Prices are one thing, but you must address the leaked newsletter and the direction on MTs that affect game progression, such as faction eta digs, ammunition, and ships. If you cannot address those issues, please communicate to your team that someone at CCP hf who can needs to do so. The above, but to add: MTs which don't qualify as progression but also don't count as vanity items such as the "additional saved fittings" which were proposed in the "Greed Is Good" newsletter are also unacceptable additions. If it has an effect on gameplay our subscription(s) should be all we need to access the content.
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [157] I think I need a minute to read 4 pages -so far BRB. reserved
Tus Gallente Kryton Solutions Cognitive Development	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [158] Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. Some of the things in that newsletter have caused other issues to come up. As I previously mentioned about Aurum for Standings, Ammo, Special ships. Game Changing Items. This is something that does need to be addressed.
Malkev GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [159] Originally by: CCP Pann I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Then maybe they should.
Jonny Utrigas	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [160] Concerns to be addressed: 1) "leaked" internal doc essentially stating "we at CCP want to put in as much stuff into the NEX market as we can get away with, including Faction standing, special ammo and ships." + the things we had been told in the past about "NO MICROTRANSACTIONS ARE BEING PLANNED." 2) Yes, the prices are ridiculous, but it looks like some people were dumb enough to buy them anyway. Can't fix stupid though. 3) I like the captains quarters, but it is unfortunate that all captains quarters look the same no matter what station type you are in. As long as this does get iterated on, it's not a huge deal, but please, please get some designers on this NOW. 4) yes the CQ performance etc. I take a pretty hefty performance hit in my quarters but I know my graphics card is relatively sub-par by today's standards, so that's less of an issue to me, and my system is running at normal temperatures. These are listed in my perceived order of importance.

Enuen Ravenseye Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [161] Originally by: Doc Fury Edited by: Doc Fury on 24/06/2011 00:35:42/I am not a Golden Goose No **, man, no **. As to the OP: Since you have no idea what the real issue is, or at least are unwilling to address it, then you should stayed behind that curtain. I don't know you, but I'm already done with you.
Koronakesh Amarr Seekers of a Silent Paradise	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [162] You've already lost 2 of my 3 accounts this month, and it'll be 3/3 if you keep up the non-apology apologizing, keep ignoring the actual issue that player concern is centered around, and can't refocus your corporate vision. This is the first and only mmo I've ever paid to play, and before last week, I was never ashamed of that. I'm willing to feel that way again if you are inclined to give me the incentive, and I hope this is just going to be something we can all laugh over together in a year, but right now, it's not looking so good.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [163] Originally by: CCP Pann I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. Then do something about it! Help us! Not like you are going to have much in the way of job security at this rate anyways.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [164] "That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining." no offense, but that being the case why should anyone bother talking to you? if you have no power at all, can't explain anything, can't change anything, etc, what are you doing here?
Monstress	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [165] Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. No Originally by: CCP Pann Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. No Originally by: CCP Pann Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. No Perhaps CCP should send someone who is actually reading the forums and actually knows what this rage is all about. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534552&page=78
Malachi256	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [166] If this were politics, your next action would be simple. Fire whoever is in charge of the "microtransactions anywhere and everywhere we can cram them" business plan. Re-commit to the "robust game development leading to consistent and increasing monthly subscriptions" model that has served you well for half a dozen years.
Goatse Girl	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [167] Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. Wait, the newsletter isn't fake, and you guys have been LYING about your intentions to us the CUSTOMER who PAYS your salary,*** you
Riflin' Betty Perfunctory	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [168] Originally by: CCP Pann By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. NO YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES YOU ARE JUST A MOUTHPIECE WE HAVE NO USE FOR YOU AT ALL
Avraham Avinu Children of Noah	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [169] Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you. If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it. Humbly yours, ~P~ No,you're missing the biggest issue of all. The concerns you state will all be answered and eventually fixed/optimized. your concerns seem more like a straw-man argument to try and falsely appease us. The biggest complaint is the new business model CCP is adopting for the game where the player-driven market is no longer the primary means to acquire goods. In it's "leaked" document, CCP is now stating it's fully open to creating goods ex-nihilo by simply spending real-world currency and a ship magically appears. This breaks immersion and most importantly, many players' "game" and sense of importance/accomplishment. A micro-transaction good, such as a ship, should at least require the same hull-type produced by the players, plus the Aurum required. The response by CCP is that the code to create ex-nihilo is ready to be shipped. But the code that couples with the player-driven economy is a year away from getting implemented is complete BS. This is just a ruse. This type of code is already in your LP stores! This is very similar to the logic of the LP stores and I'm sure if your devs look at code, it shouldn't be anything fairly new to implement; just access a new dataset (you'r Aurum dataset) and use logic similar to your LP stores. This is also not to mention that you would never do microtransactions, go back on your word about that, then say that mt's will only be for vanity items, and now you go back on your word about that and say that mt's will be to help assist and give players advantages over eachother. Where is CCP's soul? I understand a company has to be driven by profit, but to lose it's way? I used to believe in CCP and thought we were on the same page.
Da Gooch	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [170] YOU NERFED THE TENGU How dare you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [171] You guys remember Star Wars Galaxies? Yeah, its like that.
Deamos Dev Null Development and Holdings	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [172] Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. Thank you for coming forward with the truth on this issue. Now lets see what will be done about this... -
Don Pellegrino Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [173] Why should I keep investing time in this game if I know that in 1 or 2 years there will be additional fitting slots and better ammo for $ ? Eve Online is not a the kind of game where you can expect to make a quick buck with MTs. It's a game that people invest a lot of time in and where a slight chance of non-vanity MTs happening means that investing time and effort is not worth it anymore. CCP has crushed the hope of its playerbase. Before Incarna, it used to be "one day CCP might fix all the broken stuff". Now? Why play and build stuff for the future if that future Eve won't be worth playing. Sigh. I want to love CCP, but you guys just won't let me. ____________________________________________
Kalissa Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [174] Edited by: Kalissa on 24/06/2011 00:54:51 Thanks for the reply, it sure does take some guts to put your head in the firing line when the playerbase it this livid. Your post did address 3 out of the 4 problems that players have, unfortunately you missed the one thats really got people mad. The high costs of the vanity items is an issue, but in the end if people wanna pay that kinda cash it's upto them though I think you guys are shooting yourself in the foot as none but the insanely wealthy will buy them. I don't think people are unhappy about the captains quarters per se, it's more like the affect it's having on fps and system temperatures that got people **ed off. Afterall if it wasnt for the temperature problems then the biggest arguement against CQ would be the fact that in people have to click the mouse one extra time to open the cargohold (seriously people complained about that??? geeesh!) But the real doozy is that what that internal memo was leaning toward made CCP look like nothing but unadulterated liars as regard to AUR, I dont care about AUR for extra fitting slots or for vanity items, hell I'd even bite my tongue on the faction standings, but AUR for Ammo & Weapons?? Thats just taking the **, it literally flys in the face of what CCP has stated very recently to be policy that AUR would be for vanity items only, you've basically been caught lying through your teeth and we all know that had this not been leaked you'd have found a way to work it in on us down the line sometimes. So to recap, basically explain why CCP's internal memo flys in the face of your public policy that you announced only a few weeks ago.
Davon Kastire Caldari Hit it n' Quit it	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [175] Edited by: Davon Kastire on 24/06/2011 00:54:38 Originally by: CCP Pann I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you donÆt know me from Adam. I havenÆt earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you For acknowledging the fact that we are down right p issed and the reasons why we are down right p issed, you have earned my respect. Thank you for attempting to reason and communicate with us instead closing our complaint(and pony) threads and waiting for us to just simply shut up and take it. Now grab a pencil and spit our your gum, you and the rest of CCP have a lot of notes to jolt down. *"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."*
Dex Ironmind	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [176] Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. Thanks for eliminating that question. The newsletter is bonafied. Now... are the thoughts set forth company policy or is it merely internal company debate? Should we expect micro-transactions that directly input game progressions, character progression and combat in Eve (our sandbox)? Obviously, since Aurum is now in the game, micro-transactions are here. However, the mentality and game direction predominantly featured in that publication is so contrary to what we have been told in times past. What is the truth of it? Dex was here.
Laserham Lincoln	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [177] The prices in the Noble exchange are a surprise, but they don't have me terribly upset since I wasn't planning to buy them anyway. More importantly, whether a monocle is ten cents or a hundred dollars (or 100 isk or a billion isk) has no bearing on the core gameplay of EVE. What has me very concerned is the apparent shift towards trying to be both a subscription model and MT model game. What attracted me to EVE in the first place is the player-driven nature of the economy. No matter how much money you spent on PLEXes, someone still had to mine the veldspar that got turned into the titan you bought. Same with standings, and everything else in EVE. You can turn PLEX into isk, but the things that those isk buy is player created. A MT model ruins this. The moment you can transfer real money into things that affect the mineral market, PVP, or anything else beyond what your avatar looks like, you've compromised the basic tenets that made this game great. If you pursue this MT model, I have no doubt that despite all the complaining on the forum, you will sell your MT ships and ammo and weapons, because for many people winning is the only thing that matters. I can only tell you that I will not be one of those people, and that if this comes to pass EVE will not be a game I want to play anymore.
Arya Greywolf	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [178] Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. 1) Fair enough, SO GET THE DEVELOPERS and make them answer. 2) We want our old hanger view back with the OPTION to disembark. Honestly, if you can't answer the questions, you might want to duck your head out because people will just get more frustrated.
Thundergulch Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:55:00 - [179] Who's running CCP now, Bobby Kotick? MT's are NOT WANTED in any game. All is shows is that you're just in it for a money grab, and then the game quickly goes downhill into the sewer. If that's what your goal is, then congrats, you're almost there.
Miranda Ivanova	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:55:00 - [180] the aur system you have added to the game is a bad idea, i thought all items in game ( cloths ) is suppost to be made by the players, to grew its large economy even bigger. and not protaining to the subject, " I am still aware of whatÆs going on front and center " " IÆm willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off. I was wrong to do that and I apologize. " are you even a actual person? or are you some PR face that is being controled by a group of people to just get the response your looking for from us, are you really apologitic.



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You get a pass on this, Valerie, but your bosses do not. We are beyond sick and tired of game designers and marketing jockeys hiding behind lower level employees and community mouthpieces. We need answers from THEM, and we need those answers NOW.