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El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:37:00 - [1891] Wow we waited all day for this? Smoothest to date, yeah maybe if you put the boot.ini rollout and that dragon patch rollout as being slightly worse, but I can think of easier rollouts. I mean seriously at rollout you broke drones, missiles, probes, etc. Yes there were workarounds but do you know how long it takes to unload a carrier, repackage all the drones and then put them back, and then how much even harder it is to do that for supercarriers that can't dock. (Not so easy to fix Leviathan's either). Thus in the first paragraph you show a disconnect with what's going on. The problem with Fearless is folks see you moving in a direction that you agreed you would never go. There is a full blown article about how to charge for everything under the sun including many things that give game advantages when previously it was promised not to. To say the magazine does not support CCP policy is not the same as saying We will have no game altering MT in EVE Online. So basically you waste 2 paragraphs trying to explain away when if you truly planned no MT for guns, ammo, ships etc as put forth in the article you could have just made a one sentence reply There are currently no plans for any MT regarding guns, ammo, ships etc other than reskins of existing ships as put forth in interviews during the AT9 where said guns, ammo, ships are identical to already existing game items. Its like trying to get a straight answer from a politician but then again reading how your employees have rated your corporation and comments going back several years it is clear there is a communication disconnect within the whole corporation. Much like name brand foods, in most cases those 50 dollar jeans and those 1000 jeans were made in the same plant and just another label put on them. Yeah I know cold stark reality of the manufacturing world. Basically the only thing buying a monocle is going to make you in eve is a target. Folks see one in your pic and now you are the target of wars and other inconveniences. Vanity in eve is not good it'll get you killed in game. I mean who do the empire declarers target? Those with vanity ships more often than not (you know rattlesnakes, nightmares, navy ravens etc). You just gave them another indicator of someone with to much money. Now lets look at this new leaked email. Claims of 52 monocles sold and its lauded by Hilmar. If you lost 52 subscriptions in the process you lost more money than you gained when considered over a years time. If you lose a subscription for every monocle sold you lose out in the long term. Eve is a game about loss, you see that's where your NEX prices etc fail. Let's say our vanity items were between 1 and 5 USDs in AUR to purchase. However said item is destroyed when you lose your clone. Its cheap enough that the person is likely to replace it unless they get pod killed like every day or something. You could also implement different outfits for different bodies this way. Giving folks a way using their jump clones to change looks from day to day too. In the long term you'd sell more at 1 to 5 USD than you will at 80 USD. Why were you afraid to take the concept of EVE to this the natural conclusion? Truth is you've probably shot yourselves in the foot. This reply shows the same arrogance and corporate problems that the Fearless mag did that was leaked, that most reviews of your company show by your employees past and present. I feel sorry for CCP Manifest for having to post this trype. I also feel bad for CCP Zulu as this is probably not his own words but some corporate line passed down to him to present. I still have some hope you'll pull it around, but truth is you squandered what you had. You left EVE basically on coast for 2 years and now find you don't have the money to do all you promised. Time to reexamine how your spending the money, cut WoD or DUST if you have to and right the ship so that you can return long term viability.
Boma Airaken Seekers of a Silent Paradise	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:37:00 - [1892] There is no "rhetoric on rhetoric". All the community is asking is "Will you be opening this up beyond vanity items?". Its **ing easy to answer. It is a ing yes or no question, and MANY MANY MANY subscriptions hang in the balance. Just answer it and move on. And fire the arrogant that wrote that devblog. Because seriously, he is obviously a successful nerd who thinks his ** doesn't stink because he made his favorite game and couldn't give a toss about any single person who plays it.
Qwyp	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:38:00 - [1893] In before the lock
Baihuigau Gallente Skull Brigade	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 - [1894] Get ready for the nuke, their nuking all the threads with the email.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 - [1895] Originally by: Boma Airaken There is no "rhetoric on rhetoric". All the community is asking is "Will you be opening this up beyond vanity items?". Its **ing easy to answer. It is a ing yes or no question, and MANY MANY MANY subscriptions hang in the balance. Just answer it and move on. And fire the arrogant that wrote that devblog. Because seriously, he is obviously a successful nerd who thinks his ** doesn't stink because he made his favorite game and couldn't give a toss about any single person who plays it. He has. Yes they will. His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY
Soddington Smythe	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:43:00 - [1896] I'm sorry I didn't read past "assume for a short time you are wearing $1000 dollar boutique jeans", while I was entertaining this hypothetical I beat myself into a comma for being such a blight on humanity.
Krell Kroenen	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 - [1897] Their silence on the Non-Vanity items being sold for Aur seems to be the only answer we are going to get and it seems like a rather clear one when combined with hilmar's letter. Speaking of that letter I love how they deleted the thread with hilmar's letter, seems they are a bit embarrassed by it and do I dare say afraid of it's effects on the player base?
Tichu Tilyon Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:45:00 - [1898] We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Angst IronShard Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [1899] I can't believe it ! It's a game man ! how can you compare pixels with real life prices ? A cloth IG should cost 1Ç ; a top notch high class one 5Ç and it's expensive ! Following your logic : how much a shuttle in game should cost if In real life it costs hundreds of billions ? The life of my avatar cost me 15Ç / month , so you estimated my real life's value at 15Ç ??? Non-sense and dumb. For sure I'll never give to CCP an extra sub and even one more log for their "wonderfull" statistics. . ____________________________________________ Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Onyx Blackman	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 - [1900] CCP clearly no longer cares about their customers by their refusal to even slightly address the chief concern of the majority of people upset by this. The issue of non-vanity items for MT wasn't even hinted upon in the dev blog. It's also nice how they've tried to corral dissent into this **ty forum nobody reads. Unsubbing three accounts, go eat a bag of **s CCP.

BoBoZoBo The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 - [1901] Im kind of disappointed by this post. I agree that, with the way you guys are (currently) approaching micro-trans, it does not affect game and you have a clear option not to use it. As long as it is cosmetic and does not go to an advantage... fine. I had no problem with that, it is the new paradign and I think of all developers, CCP would handle that smartly... I HOPE But the tone of the letter just sucks. Something I would expect from Apple. That alone spoke volumes. Been with you guys for 8 years and I even brought you pasteries when I visited Iceland. I want them back, ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Indy Rider Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 - [1902] Originally by: Tichu Tilyon We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ Considering the reply Navigator gave on one of the threads, its confirmed real.
DoPlanet	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 - [1903] Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 25/06/2011 03:22:52 Originally by: DoPlanet Originally by: Mars Theran How many people do we normally have logged in on a Friday? Sunday is usually the best measure anyway. Pretty sure a good portion of the 'not logged in' are probably alts. Of all the people posting in this thread, I'm certain that a few are alts. Of the massive number of posts, (over 6400), in that other thread, I'm fairly certain many are alts, but quite a few are also people posting responses to other posters. Wow.. it's like spending days sitting in a seedy bar, watching Jerry Springer stories come alive in front of you. Honestly haven't read barely anything, and I feel sorry for the Dev's in a way, actually having to put effort into reading some of this. I couldn't be bothered, as the first 9 pages of that other one ****ed me off when I did decide to read it. Just a bunch of bunk. Repetitive, droll, irritating trash-talk. Grow up people. You aren't the center of the universe, and your over-inflated sense of self importance is so pompous and wind-baggy it isn't worth reading what you have to say. For some of you that actually got it right: Good on you, you have some sense. For the rest of you: Learn how to discuss things, and quit making over-arching selfish demands. I honestly don't think one of you puppies has stepped out of their house in a decade and taken the time to learn how the world works. You demonstrate such obtuse ignorance, I can't even believe you work for a living, or even pay your own bills. Bunch of pre-pubescent kids, and in the case where that's actually true, I'm sorry, you at least have the excuse to be ignorant. The rest don't. That would be a perfect post directed to CCP. Especially the "Learn how to discuss things" part. Except it wasn't directed at CCP; it was directed at people with the same attitude as you. CCP is perfectly capable of discussing things, but this open foum is not the most effective means. With trolling and flaming as a continuous response to everything they have to say, how could they discuss anything. 223 pages and counting on one thread, and most of what I've seen is rhetoric on rhetoric. 1 in 10 posts is actually considerate, and the rest is flame and BS. Conspiracy theories, paranoia, and BS. Lot's of yellow text which mostly says the same thing; quite often by the same person or someone quoting them. I wonder what percentage of these posts is by the same group of people? 60? 70? And how would they read through all that, to pick out the valid arguments, instead of just the BS, which is pretty much just a paranoid lock-down and inability to listen to or see reason? I wouldn't. I'm at the point where, if it were me, I'd just send the lot of you packing. I'd use these threads to count the loyal customers and respectable others, and push a big red button on the rest. One click and it wipes out all posts by that person, simultaneously stopping them from posting further, and disables their ability to continue subscribing. I'd even refund their last payment, while moving their CC, (if applicable), to a list of cards with a warning flag on them, "Not to be accepted." But that's me. CCP's considerably more understanding. Have you been to A Memorial to the winners of the Ruevo Aram Riddle Competition, Heinky and Shin Ra of Burn Eden lately ? Alts you say...
Vikarion Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 - [1904] Screw you, CCP. For your dishonesty, your condescension, your arrogance, and your contempt for us. Screw you. - - -
Kavin Alavandar Extropy Dianoetics	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:49:00 - [1905] Originally by: Tichu Tilyon We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ My liking of Hilmar tripled, if that's real. Wiser words were never written by the CEO of an MMO developer. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky
Ahrman Vanaheim Caldari Chimaera Combine Novus Dominatum	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:51:00 - [1906] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. I am afraid you did not. Speaking for myself, I am largely enjoying the recent expansion. The new turrets are awesome, and while the CQ do not offer much right now I like that it adds to the immersion, it has great potential. I do not personally care about the NeX shop, I dont really oppose it but agree with many that the price structure is a bit steep. You have addressed this point, and while I dont really agree with your view that is good enough explanation for me. Possibly adding cheaper items at some point, fair enough. However: The one thing that really does worry me has not been addressed at all. It is the same question that has been posted all over this huge threadnaught in GD, in giant yellow letters: Will there be MT for anything else than vanity items, specifically for anything that does impact actual gameplay? This is the one question the community really needed you to answer, everything else (and I think most of my fellow players agree here) we can live with. Frankly, the lack of even the slightest hint of a comment on this does worry me a lot. This says it all for me. I actually really like the expansion in general, CQ is a really nice looking alternative to the rather 'old' hangar view and the turrets are outstanding. I realise not all feel the same way so imo of course. However, MT for game altering goods would completely destroy the game for me. The Dev Blog answered nothing.
Lenore Leelu	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:53:00 - [1907] Originally by: Lofe sXe FREE MINTCHIP! lols
Hithalu Minmatar The Red Circle Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:55:00 - [1908] Originally by: Jimmy Duce Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
ZeroWulf Journey Construction Ltd. Army of Dark Shadows	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:57:00 - [1909] Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only; 1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner. Thanks, Arnar CCP Zulu, You have single handedly managed to not only pimp slap your entire community, but also managed the monumental task of becoming (probably) the single most inept DevBlog Composer EVER. For 3 days, the forum has been buzzing with question, questions that can only be answered by your company. Your Blog didn't answer anything other that what we already knew and YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU WROTE IT. You knew you weren't answering our questions. Well sir, you gambled, and LOST. Your invisible (and absent) PR/Community director suddenly jumps from the shadows to beg, nay PLEAD with the community for a Parlay to buy YOU time to compose an article that answers the questions we ask. And then you write that. I wasn't aware that in Iceland is was custom to pretty much call your entire player base ******ed. Your entire SmugBlog (because lets all face it, thats EXACTLY what it was) was just you touting some inept fallacy that your brain has concocted so that you dont have to actually acknowledge that people are mad. You've got major MMO news sites now covering this, as well as CSM members speaking out on EVE radio, a number of them i'm sure planning on cancelling subs depending on what you do next. Seriously, you need to let your PR person do their job. Don't EVER let Zulu in front of a keyboard again. (That is, unless you like all the trade hub and forum riots) Let your Public Relations people deal with the public. Had that been done (and that person done their JOB from the outset) the backlash would probably not been as bad as it is now. It's only going to get a lot worse. Your Post in this thread Zulu only shows that your going to talk about what you want to talk about, and to heck with what your player base says. Your company, everything it says and does within the next few days, is going to be watched by A LOT of people. You won't just lose subs for EvE, but also potential players for your WoD MMO. People don't tend to forget incidents like this.
Ramelius	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:58:00 - [1910] Originally by: Yldrad Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 22:12:17 Microtransactions? Click here and vote Yes, No or Vanity only ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Damned ! This DevBlog is pointless. Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. No. In what alternative world are you living? Real life comparaison is wrong at so many level... CCP ZULU you sir are a damned moron, read the forums and then re-write the whole ****ing thing!

Legio Praetor The Green Machine	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:59:00 - [1911] Originally by: Kavin Alavandar Originally by: Tichu Tilyon We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ My liking of Hilmar tripled, if that's real. Wiser words were never written by the CEO of an MMO developer. Must be because you like having a severe pain in your backside. Unlike you, the rest of the EvE community dont like having 2 hands on their shoulders while taking it.
Ballz Diesel Caldari Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:01:00 - [1912] -2 accounts here. never thought it would come to this. pay2win is not what i'm interested in. ------- Ballz Diesel C.O.R.E.
Dakin Chang	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:01:00 - [1913] Edited by: Dakin Chang on 25/06/2011 04:06:27 Thanks for the response, but this still doesn't address the rather glaring irony of calling NeX items MICRO-transactions when a digital shirt costs more than a real, physical shirt, and a monocle costs more than 3 months of game time. PS: I think everyone is coming down too hard on Zulu, who is just the spokesperson in this case. The problem is more with the decisions that CCP has made, than the person relaying those decisions to us.
GeneticFailure Caldari Interstellar Construction Company	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:03:00 - [1914] Originally by: Hithalu Originally by: Jimmy Duce Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Empathic Psychopath	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:07:00 - [1915] Nah, all you whiners out there have it all wrong. CCP is simply trying to align their company outlook with the Iceland economy. Won't be long now and all this talk of profits won't matter
Phinger	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:08:00 - [1916] Ok so I am one of the real world rich people. I buy nice stuff like you said in your blog...aka bought 3 authentic Gucci handbags as gifts for wife(more gigi) and some for close friends birthdays. That's a truckload of a real money Hilmer for real items that we live in the real world and give real value. Not everyone likes gucci but the statement that handbag gives serious meaning. But seriously I ain't buying a freaking virtual monocle for 70-80 bucks US. I don't own that sprite you do. I don't show it to my mates or my wife show-off her latest present from me. Even on my - dread I say it 5 wow accounts- I occasionally some vanity pet or mount and even then it's hard justifying the payment for a sprite. Now I would spend the money of a groundbreaking "I WIN" ship.....but then thats like playing cheat mode in a FPS shooter.... It fun then it's boring and you drop the game. If you don't shut this down with a direct policy of and STATING you won't go down this path...... Then you are now counting the days till you close your doors. My old company hired consultants.....dumbest move they ever did. They alienated their workforce, they lost customers and finally after 11 years of litigation they lost every court case that was started by listening to a bunch of consultants. Got to remember consultants are just people that generate ideas.....doesn't mean they are good/sound or align with your own ideals. But when they put gifts in you eyes of the graphs of how much money your going to earn.....your listening to the devil. The consultant gets paid whether you are solvent or not. Bunch of dumbies If it's only two people online at CCP, i think you should be calling your boss to wake everyone up to start a all nighter on how your going to stop your jobs self imploding over this weekend.
Shiangti Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:09:00 - [1917] now that it is confirmed by CCP Navigator that the letter from Himar is real, how long will it be before we can buy the P2W stuff in the NEX store? Linkage
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:09:00 - [1918] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/06/2011 00:25:27 CCP Zulu Since you deliberately ignored the #1 concern that the player base have, that you're moving towards selling in-game advantages for money, I'll assume that you ARE moving towards it. If you are, SAY SO! If you're not, SAY SO! I don't think many players (apart from a few habitual whiners) give a rats ass about the price of monocles, or whether CQ is optional or not, but in-game advantages is a completely different matter. Yet you chose not to address it at all... I'm drawing my own conclusions from that, and I guess most of the other players are too... Hey I remember you! Quote: CCP found a way to turn this inevitable fact into an income source, and at the same time squash the negative effects on the game from excessive farming. Brilliantly done! hows the hoof in mouth disease going? I will be blunt, I have said for years that CCP had already turned the game into a F2P microtransation game. the only thing that kept this from happening sooner is that frankly they were to **ing full of themselves and too **ing incompitent at the same time to get to this point before now. http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1145342&page=3#67 .End of line. If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
almightybig Evolution The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:10:00 - [1919] I suppose the most humourous thing aout the blog has to do with $1,000 jeans. Yes, in real life i may pay more for something that gives a sense of status. But what diffierence do price points make when no one in game can see what I am wearing while i stagger around my new CQ. Until such a time as you can interract with others in station, sit down and play cards or have a good old fashioned knock down drag out bar brawl, Incarna really is completely useless. Nothing more than a different, and in my case, more laggy way deal with my 'in station' existance. I am happy i can opt out and turn it off, as I already have. When i want that type of game I run over to Second Life. All that blather aside, will someone over there please, for the love of all that is wonderful in EVE, PLEASE answer the damn question posed a hundred times in this thread. WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE "WE WILL NEVER SELL SKILLPOINTS/STANDINGS OR ANY OTHER GAME INFLUENCING TYPE OF ITEM ON THIS NEW EXCHANGE" SO EVERYONE WILL JUST SHUT UP AND GO BACK TO PLAYING. Thanks
boeboe joe Helix Commonwealth Command	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:12:00 - [1920] Don't know if I'm the first to say this but here it goes, thank you CCP Zulu. I also want to give a much needed and overdue thanks to CCP Pann and CCP Fallout for being on the frontlines of this whole thing and dealing with/tanking the trolls. I really do have a better understanding of what the company newsletter was all about. If I did understand it correctly it's more of a brainstorm on big ideas currently in the industry, for employees to go back and forth to develop those ideas that could be used to enhance EVE/CCP. "The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."-Zulu As far as the NEX market goes, personally I won't be paying (I lol's at my puns) any attention to those things unless, someone happens to put one of those on market for less than 10 mil isk, that would probably be my limit. Therefore, "NEX market combat group of vanity items completely miss boeboe joe, doing 0.0 damage to his wallet, yay!" A good feature to have on the NEX market too would be to display the original price beside those item(s) on sale, like 900 AUR then 1,200 AUR in strikethrough. But I digress, that is a another topic for another thread. Again I cannot thank you all enough for explaining this in further detail, and from mature players everywhere I would like to say I'm sorry for the crap you all have had to deal with. Now go make us some moar CQ's!



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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?

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