You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

Whenever I explain Eve to my friends who have played other games, I always tell them "you probably won't like it, this game is not for everybody" and unfortunately, most of the time it is true. That said, I can't play any of their boring, meaningless theme park games.

I am forced to live in highsec because carebears keep screwing the risk/reward to their direction an no nullsec corp wants me and without an alliance, highsec is way more profitable as a newb.

I hate how their forcing there playstyle onto me.

CCP please stop the high sec zealots.

False. You have access to the player-controlled market even in highsec.

If shooting and blowing up peeps (and/or having them do it to you) is not your thing then go to Hi-sec... hrm, not sure where the market has anything to do with it.

Wat? You just left the earth's orbit with that tid bit.

If shooting and blowing up peeps (and/or having them do it to you) is not your thing then go to Hi-sec... hrm, not sure where the market has anything to do with it.

I see the 'player-controlled' bit which means you are part of the panic'd 'miners are ruining the game and it's communism' crowd. I'm not talking about anything to do with markets... simply talking about shooting ships and blowing up.

We don't need more PVE content in nullsec. We need more incentives to PVP.

bottom line:

CCP is a business that exists to make money, and that is based on the number of paid subscriptions.

ANY play style that reduces the number of paid subscriptions is going to get nerfed.

Whine, vent, lament, complain.... try to force players to play the game in a way they do not enjoy, they will quit the game, and CCP will respond.

You may think that those players quitting is a good thing. I am 100% sure that CCP does not feel the same way.

The tired old "CCPs goal is to make money so they'll ... " argument people trot out from time to time is idiotic.

Yes, CCP are a business and their goal is to make money.

But if you think that means they're going to remove or undermine core mechanics, or ditch the ruthless sandbox ethos that made EVE a success, and has allowed it to thrive for nine years, then you're stupid beyond help.

The filthy crybaby miner bears can stomp their feet and threaten to unsubscribe if CCP don't remove all hostile actions against them, but they were never the audience EVE was made for to begin with.

The tired old "CCPs goal is to make money so they'll ... " argument people trot out from time to time is idiotic.

Yes, CCP are a business and their goal is to make money.

But if you think that means they're going to remove or undermine core mechanics, or ditch the ruthless sandbox ethos that made EVE a success, and has allowed it to thrive for nine years, then you're stupid beyond help.

The filthy crybaby miner bears can stomp their feet and threaten to unsubscribe if CCP don't remove all hostile actions against them, but they were never the audience EVE was made for to begin with.

False. You have access to the player-controlled market even in highsec.

This is a mute point of the pedantic.

When hi sec ppl complain about pvp they are talking about combat , pew pew, not playing the markets (which can also be called pvp)

CCP created a game that they hope will appeal to both PVPers and carebears.

I'm not arguing that CCP is going to get rid of low/null or all PVP. All I'm saying is that CCP wants both PVPers and carebears, and will ensure that there is an area of the game for each of these groups of people. I'm arguing that high-sec will remain high-sec, and will remain relatively safe for carebears.

Any war on carebears that results in the carebears quitting the game, and lowering paid subscriptions will result in nerfs.


Just like anything that began making PVPers quit would result in game changes.


CCP wants both, and that is okay.

As someone who sits right outside the Finance Director of my company's office and right next to the Finance team (they are all accountants btw) they couldn't care less if...

Moot point. It's definitely not mute.


Then they should be more specific.

You want PVP, go to null sec.
You want PVP, go to low sec.
You want PVP, go to WH.
You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

If it's all about the PvP and that's the core of the game, why so much scraping the bottom of the barrel?

If it's all about the PvP and that's the core of the game, why so much scraping the bottom of the barrel?

I don't see whats so hard to understand. Eve is about combat & warfare which means you undock, your at risk plain & simple. Dosen't matter high low null WH those rules of engagement apply everywhere and CCP is not about to change them. So toughen up, fly smart, don't fly what you can't afford to lose or find another game.

Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling...

Wrong. You're playing semantics with PvP.

Do you understand what "PVP" stands for, mate?

Hint: It's "player vs player". Not specifically combat. Anything you do that competes with another player is pvp. EVE is a PVP game.

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

EVE is clearly fueled by competition and cannot survive without it. You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Anyone who uses "forcing me to do this" in their argument intrigues me; I have no idea why they are spending money on this game in the first place. The only thing really forcing you to anything is your own brain. If you are tired of getting your progress slowed, it's nobody's fault but your own that you do not use the tools given to everyone.

If you don't like shooting ships, that's your problem. Just don't try telling me those who shoot ships have an unfair advantage when it is clearly an advantage. In fact, anything you do in this game gives you an advantage over those who don't.

That is just as crazy as people moving to a different country and asking for laws to accommodate their personal needs or beliefs.